Favorite Moments of the EVIL DEAD Saga (with Gil Palmer & Kevin Dougherty from The Podcast That Wouldn't Die!)

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[00:02:14] He's on with it, Cam. God damn it! So we got the one, the only movie buff himself, Paul Mer in the house. Hello? Hello! Spooky spooky and returning for what feels like an eternity. We got Kevin from the podcast that would not die. Thank you for having me.

[00:02:34] I get that it's wooden, but I just wanted to be more hammer-hoarer over the wooden. Oh, and there's plenty of hammer references in this action. No question. I'm not sure what they're talking about. I don't know if it's a movie or fantasy.

[00:02:49] It's a movie or fantasy, crazy, low-budget, turned slightly higher budget escapade that is evil dead. And then one of those like, I think everyone has kind of evolved in some people grow up with like a love hate relationship to it.

[00:03:05] Some people love it and then got tired of it. And then other people are just, you know, they're like, I'm not sure what it is. You know, if you were to sum it up, which is the one where that one guy with the chin tries to avoid

[00:03:21] creatures that are trying to kill him in a forest? Oh yeah, that one. Can you be more specific? Yeah, I need more detail. So, but first of all, we'll circle around what got us into kind of,

[00:03:37] was it in or was it down the road and then revisited what made them kind of famous on the scene? Well, I saw the first evil dead like probably around 87. Oh nice. Okay. So you saw it. And I thought on, yeah, I invited some friends from school over,

[00:03:54] you know, after we graduated and stuff. And I had an apartment and this really small TV. So I'm watching it on this really small TV, but I really, I really like three four. It was like 13 inch television.

[00:04:08] I remember seeing the evil dead like box at the video store. Oh, that's creepy. Which it's terrifying right? Seeing that as a young child. What is this anchor bay guys? I should check them out. For reals. So then the first one that I actually wound up seeing on

[00:04:30] video was evil dead two dead by dawn. Which is wildly different from the first one. I mean, the plots are obviously similar. But the first one is horror and the second one's kind of slapstick comedy. Yeah, who would have thought it?

[00:04:49] Yeah, that became more progressive with each movie. The slapstick comedy. Yep. I was one of those. I was the Geo city zero. So I knew about all these different guys were all these different hats, all the Joe Don days, Trentino is Rodriguez's of the world.

[00:05:05] But then Rami is kind of in that same camp and I, you know, I realized, oh, okay, you know, so he and Campbell have worked with the Cohen brothers and then. Oh yeah. Now, you know, they've done serious stuff like.

[00:05:17] A simple plan. You're like, where did that come from? That was good, but it's not horror. But and then, you know, Spider-Man, but army of darkness. You'll find this funny in the 2000s was often a regular on the weekends on sci-fi channel along with the night of the

[00:05:32] living dead remake and mosquito. It is fun Sunday night B movie fare if it wasn't stuff you weren't ashamed to watch, even though it wasn't. It was a little brown up for Joe Bob, but it wasn't, you know,

[00:05:47] infamous enough to be on Mr. Science Theater and it was just kind of in that zone. You know, I started recognizing all these actors and how I was like, okay, so they got recurring roles on the Hama side, a little known hit like X files and Star Trek.

[00:06:02] And yeah, this Campbell guy, he's. Joked about a lot because he like Danny Trejo and. Ali on just appear in just about everything. And even if they're not the star, you just can't take your eyes off them.

[00:06:16] You're like, and so when you see that he was on all these other cult shows that for the longest time. You know, like Berserk County Junior is like, where do I find that? And then by the time he's on burn notice is like, cool.

[00:06:29] Now he's at like the fifth stage of his career and. I kind of had a love hate relationship with him. And I wasn't the kind of guy who. You know, got grossed out or anything. I was just like, this is so dumb, but it's growing on me.

[00:06:43] And I get it. You know, there's something about this hillbilly who comes into town and. Well, and behold. You know, more curiosity kills the cat each time is like, and. And then you see violent anime that was like inspired by the

[00:06:57] first one that took it like so serious. You're like, good God guys, it's just a movie. It's just. It never spares. To fascinate me with how. Again, who could have predicted this? Right. And I remember seeing the poster. Yeah. For army of darkness. This is like mid 90s.

[00:07:17] I was like. Right. I couldn't because it's not evil dead's army of darkness. So I'm looking at him like. That looks like ash. I mean, am I hallucinating? He's got a chain size. I can imagine everyone. Does it the title even come up through Campbell.

[00:07:33] In the army of darkness. Yeah. There was probably six years between evil dead to. To army of darkness. And I was like, I don't know what to do with that. I was like, I don't know what to do with that. I was like, what happened to me? Yeah.

[00:07:49] I was like, well, I'm not sure if it's because of the. The difference between evil dead to to army of darkness, give or take and evil that too in my mind was kind of a. A cult film. You know what I mean? And I go to the. The.

[00:08:03] The cinnoplex and there's the big poster with the chain saw. Whoa. Am I dreaming? Kind of a snake Plisken kind of effect. Like, wait, escape. LA. They're related to New York.

[00:08:13] I can only imagine, you know, and I think they did pretty good considering that Universal was such a pain to work with and how they just always kept it alive. You know, it was more than just

[00:08:29] Campbell's mini books and cameos and I think it was really, I mean, believe it or not, did you know this Kevin? Robert Kurtzman of the K&B effects group, you know, he was also the second unit director. That's how he got the Wishmaster gig.

[00:08:46] Oh, very cool. Because Rami, you know, back when he had some power at Universal was really good. I just telling everybody, hey, you know, give this guy these guys a shot, you know, they will,

[00:08:58] they're on budget, they're on time and they got great ideas. And it's just interesting how it's just evil that you cannot escape. Like what are you watching? Something like The Mummy or something else, just like a crazy, you know, zany movie. You know, it's just like it's everywhere.

[00:09:16] You know, people, you know, it's kind of like Romero. There's people who've seen everything he's done and there's people who's only seen his zombie movies. So it is kind of funny how this is kind of a backwards terror and then a zombie action and then I just, again,

[00:09:31] you know, three students, the even comedy. So you're just like, I mean, everything and well, we can do a ranking of the saga of near the end, but I guess we can for now just kind of

[00:09:48] what do you think are just kind of the moments where you're just like, I gotta introduce someone to this, you know, where do I begin? Well, for me, I began with Army of

[00:09:56] Darkness. There's so many quotable lines in that movie. It's good. I'm the guy with the gun. It's one of my favorites. I love that line. And then whenever, whenever my wife and I argue and stuff, and she brings up something I said before, I'll just say,

[00:10:13] that's just what I like to call pillow talk, baby. And Campbell is like one of the few who can like kind of pull off these kinds of lines because like anyone else, you know, might come off as are you a real life juicer?

[00:10:26] You know what I mean? Don't do far and it's he's able to just kind of just, I don't know if it's just the dumb, smart grin on his face to where he's reminding the audience,

[00:10:37] just laugh. It's not, I'm not being for real or what it is. It's definitely the way he carries himself in the movies. Yeah. Right. How about opening shot of part two where he, you know,

[00:10:50] he's on the crane and you're just getting carried away by the force. It's just getting louder and louder. It's almost a money pie thought of it. You're like, are you going very much?

[00:11:02] How far are you getting flung? Well, and he's kind of a normal, I mean, normal for Bruce Campbell guy in the first two movies. You know what I mean? Right. He doesn't become full fledged kind of douchebag until army of darkness, which is hilarious. Kind of like now

[00:11:23] I'm entitled. Now I want the princess and I want to be king. He can do this here in the TV series. And don't you love how like each season is kind of an answer to each movie installment? Like

[00:11:38] season one, they're like, let's outdo the gore of the original season two. Let's explain what the hell actually happened in that house and movie two movie free. They're like, okay, let's give him

[00:11:48] more armies and creatures to fight them in part three. And yeah, he's even do sure there. He's like, he's got a girlfriend. He's like, come here, sugar. Come here. Give me some sugar, baby. That's also another line I've used with my wife. Sometimes spicy.

[00:12:07] All right. But yeah, I mean, he's he's great because he's a douchebag and he's also kind of an idiot. Yeah. So we realize sorry versus the guy, you know, he's arrogant but a moron, which kind of adds to the stuff. The whole clout to varata. The whole.

[00:12:35] You know, and then when the guy was trying to get him to repeat the words, he says, I know your damn words. All right. Yeah. He's getting all angry, which just shows how insecure he is. Who's like, you know, don't bullshit a bullshit or ash.

[00:12:52] What? And you it's like from movie to movie, you kind of see that progression. You know what I mean? It's like, I know in the first movie, if they were going for a straight horror film,

[00:13:03] right, they were like, you know, they were young filmmakers, young actors. They figured that would be the easiest kind of movie to make even though that's not necessarily their kind of the genre they're most interested in. Yes. So by the time they get to Evil Dead 2,

[00:13:19] now we've got a little bit more clout. We can start injecting the kind of comedic elements that we appreciate. It's less gray area on you can take it this way versus that way. But yet kind of like Joe Dante, like Rami is kind of that same kind of

[00:13:40] fearlessness is like, hey, I don't care how you take it. I know what I'm making. Well, you know, Evil Dead 2, you know, you got the scene where he chops off his hand,

[00:13:50] but then his hand gets away and you got this like Bugs Bunny moment where he's trying to, you know, kill the hand. Movies were never the same again. Like you see so many others that

[00:14:04] kind of you kind of see it in even cartoons for kids and you're like, I wonder if one of those animators was a fan or just had a similar body parody idea, you know? And the hand's

[00:14:18] flipping them off. You're like, even though you know it's not your hand anymore, he's like, who wouldn't be mad? You're like, I own you. You're my hand. Well, he puts the trash basket on top of the hand and you

[00:14:32] that he puts on it is a farewell to arms. Oh, yeah. So it is kind of like five dollars. Like the more you watch it, the more you're going to find. It's once is enough.

[00:14:49] Oh, man. But then how about the fact that he has to fight an evil version of himself in part two and free season? Well, that he had to fight some tiny versions of himself also.

[00:15:01] And they even played on that in a in a Hercules or Zena episode. I think so. Yeah. And so and they actually did a comic book crossover with Zena, believe it or not. Well, he's actually crossed over the comic books with Marvel zombies, too.

[00:15:19] Yes, I didn't know about Marvel zombies. I knew about reanimator and dark men. Not a real connection, but wow. Yeah, that's funny. And fun fact. So what's his name? Keon Keon Keon, I think is his name. This one poll novelist. His name will come to me, but apparently

[00:15:52] he did a short story that is implied to be a phantasm and evil dead crossover. Which kind of works because Reggie's kind of the same deal. He's a racist. Oh, totally. His shit head and yet kind of likable when he's not killing, you know,

[00:16:13] undead creatures. And but yeah, it was so popular. It went out of print and you can only get it on the author's like Patreon now. I got the screenshot here. But when I found it,

[00:16:28] I'm like, where to find it? You know, must read. You know, you can be a comic book fan, but who doesn't love just movies and shows that become comics? Like there's just something kind

[00:16:40] of fun to it. And I had it here. Oh, well, I think it's Bill S. Keon. And it was one of those where it was just like, see, this guy loves writing all this pulp fiction. And it is kind of wild how

[00:17:02] if this weren't a movie series, it would probably be just a campy Twilight Zone kind of thing. It's just he doesn't even try to explain all the evils that are around him. I mean, after movie one,

[00:17:14] he was just kind of like, it's getting real. Well, if you watch the movies, the kind of the mythology changes from movie to movie. At one point it's Sumerian, then it's Kandarian, then it's

[00:17:27] something else. Anything I can do to suit all the comedy, it's kind of a more self aware Captain Kirk in a way. Kind of just he's going around and he's, yeah, we get to we get to movie three

[00:17:37] and it's sword and sorcery. Yes. He doesn't have the chainsaw as much. And I love how he's having to play tricks on himself and it's fun seeing all the different versions of that

[00:17:52] that are now included on the Blu-ray. That used to be you can only get them through like a rare DVE. Did you guys like the ending of that with that third one with him being 700 years in the future?

[00:18:05] Or whatever it was? I think it was okay with it, but I kind of prefer when he comes back I prefer him in the supermarket with the Yeah, and he sees a dead eye and he's like, look, look fast. There's a moment.

[00:18:20] I didn't realize there was a different ending. So one point he ends up in the future is what you're saying. Yes. Kind of. Yeah. And they filmed it? Well, it was included in a DVD set that

[00:18:35] I had once. Right. And these Blu-rays basically they now have like the cable TV version, which has extended scenes with the witch and just other just funny stuff that instead of just dubbing Ash

[00:18:51] over, you know, he just says the F word like once movie three is like they just give him other wacky improv that Campbell did being how he's got some comedy training. Well, he ends up in the

[00:19:02] future because he's stupid about it. Yeah, it's just like it's just like when the guy's selling trying to get him to repeat the words and you know, you got to do it this way. And of course, he forgets. I gotta check it out. He gets very Leroy Jenkins-ish.

[00:19:24] So we talked with Gil off air on how he saw Evil Dead rise. What was your take, Kevin, on how it kind of went a whole different direction? It's interesting. I saw the I saw Evil Dead

[00:19:47] 2013, I think is when it was, which is not a remake. It's considered a sequel. Yeah. The credits are just like, OK, right, right. And I literally saw Evil Dead rise yesterday for

[00:20:00] the first time. I've never seen it before. But it's interesting. Go ahead. I was just going to say it's Evil Dead in a building. Yeah, we were joking. It's kind of more house, the night of living dead

[00:20:14] die hard in an elevator. It kind of reminded me of Poltergeist three if you want to get into it like we were talking about. I had my aunt knew. I know they went to a convention and they saw the creepy guy from

[00:20:31] Poltergeist two once upon a time. Oh really? And I was just I think my uncle was more geeking out just because Lance Hendrickson was there. He's like, oh, Mr. Millennium, you know, aliens invented. But he's seeing the guy there and he's still doing he just starts

[00:20:47] guffawing is like I'm waiting for him to say his line to some crazy fan. Right. Right. He just has that sitting in grin. You're like, yeah, I can make some money doing this. To answer your question, they're kind of they're so different tonally than the other movies.

[00:21:08] I mean, the other movies are kind of they're violent, obviously, but they're violent in such a way as to be almost inoffensive. You know what I mean? It's like that's the weird thing about it.

[00:21:19] I see people who even hate horror but love these movies and then I get to like sci-fi and fantasy, but they'll watch something like again like Xbox. So it is kind of I think we're I think people are

[00:21:31] just kind of like these new ones. They don't know what genres are. So they're just right. They're just they're kind of like Rob Zombie, Eli Roth doing where it's violent. That's like cringy violence where you're like, oh my God, there's a cheese grater.

[00:21:52] Why is it my sister will run away from a shark movie but then she'll watch something like Happy Tree fans, which I don't think is funny, but people love seeing all these stuffed animals putting glass into each other's eyes. I'm like, good God, let's have some consistency here.

[00:22:06] You're kind of getting that with today's over the top action movies. I'll see people who will roast the latest like Man on Fire, Death Wish, knock off, but then they'll be okay with like

[00:22:17] logic being defied and like a John Wick or Fast and Furious. I'm like, well, hold on. You're okay with it here but not there. What's going on? And people think I don't like horror

[00:22:29] movies. I'm like, no, I like all genres. There is a place for it. I just don't like solid type stuff where there's just nothing going on and it's just boring body humiliation.

[00:22:40] I think that's more of one of the reasons why I like the Evil Dead movies so much because I'm not a big core. Everything can happen in like, like the Kevin's point. You're like, well, but that's

[00:22:49] what I expect. It's dark comedy and then other times it's serious, but it's outrageous. Just go with it. It believes it's bread and butter. It believes everything it's saying versus we don't know. We just got a note from Blumhouse or whoever.

[00:23:09] Yeah, I mean, it's like I said, I don't really like the gore so much and horror. I'm not really horrified by horror movies. So when the Evil Dead movies come along and they get progressively

[00:23:22] more campy as it goes along, I'm enjoying it. Right. It's good. Yeah. No, that's a good point too. I mean, we sometimes movies are trying to be terrifying or exciting and we're not really

[00:23:34] we're wowed by it, but we're not really affected by it because I don't know. We, maybe it's because we got, we're not insane in the membrane. You know, we, it's a movie. And I,

[00:23:43] I see so many people is like, oh, I think it was Hill House. I was talking with some podcast there and she swore she saw actual ghosts. I'm like, oh Lord, we're just watching a, you know, freaky mystery show, you know, and I think some people's imaginations,

[00:24:00] they just go somewhere and I'm like, I don't know what you're seeing. You're just supposed to be entertained and whatever. And you know what? Whatever floats your boat. You know what I mean? It's like different structure, different folks. My thing is,

[00:24:14] I mean, obviously I host a horror podcast, but my feeling is it wouldn't die. I like, I like my, my horror to be kind of fun. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think sometimes

[00:24:29] it's not campy. It's not even scary. It's just kind of brutal. You know what I mean? And like I watched the first saw movie for example and I'm like, I'm good. I don't need to see

[00:24:41] any more of these. Yeah, yeah. I saw that. You were talking about was it Eli Roth that did that Thanksgiving movie? Yeah. Yeah. I saw that movie and oh boy, especially when the

[00:24:53] the oven scene came up. But you kind of know what you're getting with Eli Roth. You know what I mean? You kind of, you kind of know that's what you're from the hostile movies, the

[00:25:04] torture porn era. Yeah. You know that's what you're getting. So I typically tend to steer clear, but again, whatever floats your boat. I mean, you guys have done, you know, goofy stuff lately like, you know, idle hands and robot jocks and subspecies and chopping mall. But

[00:25:24] it seems like, I don't know, I at to your point, yeah, there's expectations that it just seems like, I don't know, like some stuff is just like, yeah, I just need to stay at once and I don't

[00:25:35] need to scrutinize it by multiple rewatches. Yeah. Well, and that's kind of wiped away all of the campiness. You know what I mean? Ash doesn't really appear. I mean, he kind of appears in both the

[00:25:50] movies. They have nods to the movie. Any of the previous movies. I wish he had been and rise. Yeah. It's like you hear a voice on the phone and that's supposed to be him, I guess.

[00:26:01] It's his voice on the record saying, destroy the book. What are you doing? You're something along those lines. But if you listen to the dialogue from Evil Dead Rise, which is kind of interesting, there are direct callbacks. Oh, that's true.

[00:26:16] That too in these other movies, like she says, come get some at one point to the dead eye and she's kicking into the wood chipper. So I mean, that's right. You didn't say there was one. There was one point where I thought she was going to lose

[00:26:30] her hand too. Yeah, she's doing it so intense. We're here like, right? Careful. Now multiple people do lose their hand in Evil Dead 2013. So that's not what you're looking for. There's a lot of hand loss. No, that's true. I don't know. I guess

[00:26:54] people don't know what they want. And then I guess all it's going to take is people realizing how good they've had it. Because like you say, we try to watch movies and objectively and not, I don't even watch the trailer anymore just because

[00:27:12] I don't want to have to read all this snobby, this looks amazing or this success reviews. It's like, good God guys, it hasn't even come out yet. The trailer is not the movie.

[00:27:24] Right. That other that Evil Dead remake or whatever it was where they had the girl was Ash, wasn't she 2013 one? Yes. Her name is Ash. Well, I think so. And she even loses her hand in

[00:27:41] that movie. The car falls on her hand. Yeah. And she kind of pulls it loose and the hand just pops off like Lego or somebody. You'd be right. She's Ash because she's possessed earlier in the

[00:27:56] movie, but then she kind of cured her of her. Was she cured by a locket? No. Now it worked though. No, they did some crazy where she dies. The guy that shocks her back to life with a car battery or something and then she's cured.

[00:28:15] So there you go. Good time. Pretty cookie. Yeah. Oh man. I always thought it was funny in the like Evil Dead too where it's like Ash is constantly bouncing back from being possessed to being okay, but he has no qualms about just murdering anybody

[00:28:32] else. Yeah. That would actually be a fun take on it. Where in some other universe he's in like a county jail and then like you could have all these other sheriffs from other dark fantasy

[00:28:44] or gothic horror movies just come in and you're like, Oh, what do you got here? Who we have on the cell? Some nut job with a hand for a chainsaw. And I can't make this up. You know, it'd be funny

[00:28:57] if they just kind of just showed another maybe just a Lake Placid kind of community just dim witted, you know, just deputies are like, I've seen everything. I'm going home. Yeah.

[00:29:09] And you got to wonder what the show how he didn't end up, you know, being put in prison. Yeah. I kind of got the just in the second movie with how it just it seems like it's always just

[00:29:28] always out in the middle of nowhere. It seems like it's just cold case Haven. Everybody's going missing. And people are just not surprised if you disappear. It's like, okay. And he did what again? He went into a house and no one went to find him or her. Okay.

[00:29:48] What did he do? It's like they drive in the first two movies they drive from like Michigan to Tennessee to find an abandoned shack. I mean, did they know the shack was there or?

[00:30:00] Yeah. It's it's underdeveloped, but they're just kind of it's also one of those. That's the other thing why I think it's lasted so much too is just it's it goes so fast you don't really have

[00:30:14] time to just stop something dead in this track saying, wait a second. Right? Well, you know, and then there's that cabin and that cabin is so huge on the inside. It's like an evil dead

[00:30:24] third is a big as Kevin. I'm just waiting for it to be possessed, you know? Well, and I read somewhere that evil dead to like the first 30 minutes or so is really a remake

[00:30:41] of the first movie. Yeah. And it's kind of a rarity like it all just it and then at the same time like it's redoing everything that happened. Well, it changes the beginning

[00:30:51] of it with him and the girlfriend going there by themselves. Right? Yeah. And then it kind of picks up where the last movie left off because you see the the evil dead entity like running through the

[00:31:03] cabin and jumping out at Ash like he did it. Like was that the end of the first movie? I think it's the second movie and that's kind of where it definitely becomes a different movie after

[00:31:15] that. Right. But I was just wondering, I'm sitting here now. I wonder why they didn't just pick up where they left off? I mean, was it because a lot of people hadn't seen the first one they thought?

[00:31:30] And it's like a fresher. It's kind of got bootlegged in Japan. And so because so much time had passed, they just figured, you know, hey, you know, we'll catch you up. That makes sense. They got to what was the more important gist of the first movie and

[00:31:49] was him and his girlfriend, I guess. Like think of what they did with Don of the Dead where Bolsey and Company made, you know, zombie. But some of those movies ended up packaging and

[00:32:01] it's like they started calling it La Casa Evil Dead overseas and then making a bunch of cash in sequels on that. So that was kind of their way of avoiding confusion for all the drive-in

[00:32:14] trashy movie crowds. Right? Like in Italy, they love to do that in Italy back in the 80s where it just like we'll just rip it off and then have 15 sequels. No one will notice or carry out.

[00:32:30] Why not? We're related, kind of sort of. Well, even the sequels aren't related to each other. See, you might have two or three zombie twos or zombie threes or zombie fours. Yeah. Good grief. Good grief.

[00:32:50] Oh man. Wild. Wild, wild, wild. Definitely made an impact on the world because I mean if you look at Sharknado. Oh yeah. That's a good point. Like post-mummy like people are kind of coming up with just outrageous. I mean cocaine bear? Hello.

[00:33:10] I was thinking more of when he goes into the Shark with the chainsaw in front. Oh, yeah. After a game. And how did that girl not get cut up when he went into that Shark? But I don't know.

[00:33:21] Yeah. Well she got swallowed by the Shark unharmed completely. It's a good thing. And she avoided the chainsaw somehow. Yes, just kind of lean over. Oh man. Wild stuff. Wild stuff. And it's just interesting how I don't know. Like I feel like

[00:33:49] so many people just they're not comfortable doing something like this nowadays. Even though, you know, there's really nothing to it. Well, it's a balance. It's a balance. If you want to do a campy movie like Evil Dead 2, it's like you have to balance the horror elements with the

[00:34:11] comedic elements because usually the complaint is it's too funny to be scary. It's too scary to be funny. Yeah. So but they do it. They do it at least in Evil Dead 2. They kind of have

[00:34:24] the little bit of a balance there. Well, like the first movie, what was the do you know what the budget was for that first movie? It wasn't much. I know they were they basically 3.5 million.

[00:34:39] There was that much for the first for Evil Dead? For Evil Dead 2. Evil Dead 1, 1981 budget. It's like $375,000. Right. It wasn't much and they had to make the movie over like years because they'd make a little bit of it and then have to get some more cash together.

[00:35:00] Because you know, you got people out there who probably want to make something like Evil Dead or Armageddon or something like that, but they can't really rust up the kind of money needed

[00:35:08] for it. Especially not, you know, a lot of the people are like, you know, garage movies kind of thing where it's like really low budget. These guys trusted each other versus

[00:35:18] it was made by a husband and wife team who didn't have an idea what to do, you know. It's interesting what they're often able to do by just again, they trust. You know, trust means everything, you know. And if you can't keep people just engaged, you know, and

[00:35:42] believe that something good is going to come out of it, then, you know, they'll flage. And they were often able to avoid that by just like you say, just splitting it up and just seeing what was happening and then messing with the next day, you know. But

[00:35:59] I do see some other snobs who will talk smack about something shot on digital video now and I'm like, well, hold on. It can be good. You know, I think Hell Hell's LLC is a good example of how to do

[00:36:14] just an unusual premise that uses the simple elements, you know, shocking plot twist, making you think it's an actual documentary at the start and moody music, you know, just simple editing tricks and they were able to go above and beyond as opposed to people say, oh,

[00:36:31] you're the billionth, you know, Blair Witch, you know, knock off. I prefer Blair Thumb, but yeah. The cameras on your phone are more advanced than the movie cameras they were using,

[00:36:49] you know, for really hard. And I see so many people who talk smack, you know, when it was taken over and I was using it around the same time, Steven Soderbergh was starting to use it.

[00:36:57] I'm like, yeah, guys, it works fine. You just obviously you still need good acting and sound guy who knows what he's doing, but you can save yourself so much time, especially if you've got shots, you know, in your head that you want to try. Yeah, about story, story

[00:37:14] characterization and things like that with some set design make people think they're somewhere that you claim they are, you know, I see so many people get bogged down in computer graphics and like, well, same deal. It can work. It's just but if you rush it then, you know,

[00:37:32] well, it's like there's a difference between, you know, the Evil Dead, which was obviously an independent film made on kind of a shoestring comparatively speaking versus like schlock, you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, you could make schlock with $10 million

[00:37:46] budget or $50 million budget. Nothing that's interesting is that Stephen King was actually the patron of this movie. He would have got, you know, the original Evil Dead he was so impressed with it. He was able to get them distribution. Absolutely. Just by having

[00:38:04] writing reviews for him and yeah. Absolutely. So good on him. Yep. Well, it's been interesting seeing like Sam Raimi's touch on like, you know, Dr. Strange is a family friendly movie, but you could see, you know,

[00:38:26] you know, his definite, you know, aside from the Spider-Man movies that he did, Dr. Strange was more closer to his Evil Dead type movies than anything else. Yeah. There's Bruce Campbell. Yeah. Pete's a papa. Pete's a papa.

[00:38:45] Who'd a guest? Absolutely. And I like how he is also kind of sometimes told independent filmmakers is like, hey, you know, I'm out of my time as well. So Raimi's kind of like the

[00:38:58] only guy he really trusts where he's like, he's going to get it done on time and it's going to be a blast. It's going to be hysterical. Well, they're buddies from way back. Like they went to high school together. I mean, they didn't trust each other yet.

[00:39:15] Even Sam Raimi's brother too was involved with that Ted. Ted, absolutely. The old Ted. He's, and he plays the evil demon Henrietta down in the basement, Evil Dead 2. Yes, he does. And he's got that. He's got a story about wearing that outfit like

[00:39:34] like sweat would just pull up inside that thing and there's a scene in the movie where, like, I don't know, he tilts or something like that. You can see on the side pouring out of the costume.

[00:39:46] I'll swallow your soul. Which is another line that also appears in Evil Dead Rises. I forgot about that. The middle is a swallow your soul. The duchy later says, swallow this and then shoots.

[00:40:05] Yeah. That's kind of the other thing. It embraces kind of the petulant nature of it too, unlike other movies which kind of like really, really go in there. Oh man. I'll talk about Rises a bit. I know it's a mixed bag. I liked at least

[00:40:27] like the beginning just how the moody music kind of set it up to where I didn't know what direction was going to go. I thought that was better than some of the other rehashes where you're like, I'm not sure what this is, but it's not working for me.

[00:40:42] It was very well received. People loved, I mean, they were going to only release it on streaming and the reaction to it was so popular that then they put it in the theaters. I can't imagine on streaming. That would be almost correct.

[00:40:55] I wasn't originally planning on going to see it, but we had a relative coming from out of town and big horror fan and they wanted to see it. So okay, we'll go see it. I was actually not

[00:41:05] disappointed in the movie. I liked the original Evil Dead more obviously, but it was all right. And they had so many callback lines and things going on in that movie that made it kind of interesting for me. I agree. It was definitely,

[00:41:27] I think it was a step in the right direction from 2013, which I just thought was 2013 was really rough to sit through because it's a well-made movie. It really is. The acting

[00:41:41] is great. The direction is great, but at the risk of sounding like a prude, it is so violent that it kind of made it difficult for me to sit through. Well, they were definitely trying to take themselves, I guess, more seriously in the

[00:41:55] movie, although they did some pretty goofy things. We were laughing about how the what's her name? Ashley, I guess in the movie. She's trying to recover from drug addiction, so they dump all of her drugs into the water supply. I don't know if that was

[00:42:12] down into the well. Yeah, the best plan, but somehow it strikes up the demon. Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy, crazy. But yeah, I wasn't exactly sure when you had this podcast set up. I was like,

[00:42:29] is he wanting to talk about just the Bruce Campbell ones or is he wanting to talk about other movies and TV shows? I was wondering if we could circle around favorite moments

[00:42:37] because I don't know. I kind of get this too, kind of like how Star Tracking guys don't really watch anything else shutters in. I kind of see sometimes Evil Dead fans are, you know,

[00:42:48] they only like Bruce Campbell from that and his Sam Raimi came as a dude's just very talented. People should seek out somebody who is other independent movies. I liked his TV. I liked his Briscoe County show. He also did Jack of All Trades.

[00:43:02] Jack of All Trades, which was a syndicated sitcom. I liked that. I mean, they were goofy, but I liked them. Totally. I think if you guys haven't seen it, you would love both these sci-fi channel movies.

[00:43:15] He did Terminal Invasion, which was by the director of the original Friday the 13th, was just a fun kind of alien invasion trapped in one room movie. And then he did Alien Apocalypse,

[00:43:27] which is like making fun of all the fifties, you know, be sci-fi and much like Armia darkness. He gets a bunch of villagers to fight aliens. Well, he's with what's her name? Who's on Xena?

[00:43:39] Yeah, Renee O'Connor and in total camp like they knew the effects weren't going to be good, but they had that work as a strength for them. There was one movie he did that I thought was a little hard to watch. It was something

[00:43:51] like The Man With Two Brains kind of thing. Yeah, screaming brain. It kind of went on too long and I was just like, okay, I get it. You're making fun of all those, you know, burly Gordon type, you know, crazy movies.

[00:44:06] Did you see My Name Is Bruce? Yes. Yes, I saw that. Yes. Oh my God. I waited at Best Buy for it to open it up so I could buy that DVD when it came out.

[00:44:18] Oh, are there any good special features on it? I'm sure there are, but... Oh, I can't remember anymore. It's put away. I haven't watched it probably. It is wild. It's like kind of like Galaxy Quest, how he's making fun of how he meets people

[00:44:28] at conventions. Yeah, it's one of those meta ones where it's like he's playing himself. Right. Kind of. He directed it so it was kind of... He didn't know where it was going to go.

[00:44:44] You know, I watched all of Burn Notice. I didn't start to watch it initially. It wasn't something I was searching out, but then I heard Bruce Campbell was in it and he actually plays it pretty straight. Which was so surprising. You're like, great.

[00:45:01] He's got a little bit of his character in there, but... A little bit. Like I think they give him like his own TV movie or whatever where he's... Yeah. And then he's really, he's really ash in that moment. But on the week to week,

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[00:46:30] Join anytime, talk the talk and enjoy yourselves. There's something enlightening for everyone with this crowd of cool cats. Check them out. He's really good on a homicide life on the street

[00:46:46] crossover where he's playing a crazed man who ends up killing his dog and wife. And by the time they find out, you know, he's doing the killing and his paranoia is coming to

[00:46:57] fruition. It's too late and they're just having to arrest him. But just even all his other random guest spots, like that X-Files one where he's like, again, you know, like he's really good at doing

[00:47:08] all these split personas. And I mean, it's funny when you even see him in, you know, intruder or maniac cop. Maniac cop? Absolutely. What's the other one? Where he's in space with

[00:47:24] Jack off? Oh, moon trap? Moon trap. But there was even another one he did in like 92 that he's really good at just playing it straight. He's like, yeah, that happened. And it was such a fun movie too that doesn't get talked about enough. It'll come to me here

[00:47:49] a bit. But he's in Baba Houta. Well, I mean, yeah, there's Kaskarelli from Vandals. I'm giving him a boost. There's reasons to not like that movie, but I like it. Okay, Mind Warp.

[00:48:03] That's the one I'm thinking of. Mind Warp. And it's also known as Brain Slash or just another post apocalyptic movie where there's several moments. He's actually works with the tall man in that movie, but it's just fun because he's just kind of,

[00:48:18] and actually produced by Phangoria films back in the day. But I just love how he's jumping around and just, he just always has that, oh God, you know, just look on his face. Well, he's in Escape from LA like you mentioned earlier. Yeah, the surgeon. Oh my God.

[00:48:34] Surgeon general of Beverly Hills. Oh man. And I gave him an even bigger chin. I never knew he was there. I'm always like, who is that guy? And then I'm like, I would always see it on his credit. I'm like, I really play. Oh,

[00:48:48] I mean, let's be honest, you definitely get a certain hammy quality if you're going to hire Bruce Campbell to be in your film, but I enjoy it. Well, you know, and then he's in those bigger

[00:49:00] movies like Hedgesucker Proxy or there was the Congo, which I guess, yeah, higher budget movie, I should say. Yeah, you can definitely tell. Ambulan was like who's a genre guy we can get.

[00:49:11] I read that he was in one of the Call of Duty's and once again, he it's on like one of their zombie attachments. I just remember wanting to go see Congo because he's in it and then

[00:49:23] finding out he's gonna, he dies within the first like what 10 minutes maybe? Maybe. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, he has that much to do with that one. Very sad. No, I'm glad he's in it. But at the same time, I would have liked to have seen him kill a few

[00:49:39] gorillas before. Tickle Amy. Oh, my word. And I don't know. I see other people who won't even check out some of his other stuff and it's like, come on. You know,

[00:50:00] they like him but just for only Evil Dead. Kind of. I mean, I think Running Time was a very underrated movie he's done where he just robs a bank at Reservoir D'Augue style and then there's it's

[00:50:13] all in black and white and he's just very charismatic and surprisingly has a romantic arc in this movie. So you just like see, you know, I can see him being a ladies man if

[00:50:22] you wanted to. They often have him be just the nincompoop, you know. Right. It's killed. Give me some sugar baby. Oh man. So wild. So I can totally recommend the Freddy and Jason comic book crossover

[00:50:43] and I know some people were like, oh, I would have loved to see it as a movie. I'm like, you know, I think it worked probably best as a comic just because if you like it, you like it.

[00:50:54] If you don't, you don't like people don't rage on it as much as a movie where they've had to go see it on the big screen and invite all this other unwelcome. Well, it invites certain things that,

[00:51:07] you know, you know, like the Ash versus the Marvel zombies or whatever, that was you're not going to see that on TV, you know, on a movie or anything like that. Yeah, I'd be too many rides staff to go around and yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so

[00:51:26] yeah. Oh man. And so I guess we could rank the movies on a five star scale and Kevin Gogue has been a minute. Do you want to go one at a time? Or do you want to

[00:51:40] you want them all? You can branch them together, especially if they're the same rating if you want, you know, whatever. Okay. Let's think about this. If I was so evil dead, I'd probably give it four stars out of five. It's scary. It's scary. It definitely

[00:52:07] has a few like the hint towards the kind of comedy that you might eventually see, but it's definitely not the slapsticky that you'd see before. Evil Dead 2, Dead by Dawn, I'm going to

[00:52:22] give that four and a half out of five because I just think it's hilarious. That was the one that's one of those movies to me that you're like, Hey, you guys got to check this out.

[00:52:35] You're not going to believe this. Right. Army of Darkness. I might pull that back to a four stars. I love it. I think it was great. Sometimes a little too much, you know what I mean?

[00:52:53] Yeah. But I enjoy it. The 2013, this was hard because technically it's really a well made film. It's just not my cup of tea. I'm going to give it one and a half stars. This is you. You know,

[00:53:15] we are not Snob City. We go with the gut. Right. What do you want? And I'm going to say Evil Dead Rise. I'm going to give it three stars. Yeah. So as you described before, you know,

[00:53:33] it's there and then there are other times where it's not quite there. So it's fine. Right. Okay. Gil, I'll let you, oh, and the TV show. TV show? I feel like I watched, I definitely watched two seasons. I'm trying to think of if I watched the third.

[00:53:54] I did not enjoy it as much as I enjoyed the previous movies. Two and a half probably. Well, I would say maybe three stars for Ash versus Evil Dead. I didn't find it as funny.

[00:54:12] I did. And granted, it's harder to be funny. You know, it's easier to be funny in one movie, a one hour and a half period or whatever than to have to do it every week. So yeah,

[00:54:24] I'd give Ash versus Evil Dead three stars. Okay. Three and a half stars. Shoot me. Cool. Cool. Okay. Gil, I'll let you take it away. I'll try. Let's see. Evil Dead, the first one.

[00:54:40] I tended to like the ones that came out later more than the first Evil Dead. This is your list. This is your ranking. We all have our takes. When we did the Halloween episode, I kept going, you know, trigger warning, you might not like my opinion.

[00:54:57] But so I'll give the first one maybe a three out of five for that one. And then Evil Dead two, they started ramping up the jokes, you know,

[00:55:07] and the humor. And they made it more cartoony in a lot of ways. I kind of enjoyed that. I give that a four. And then my favorite was Army of Darkness because of all the one liners and the campiness

[00:55:20] in it. So I'd give that a four and a half. I barely remember the 2013 one. I mean, I can recall some of the things that happened that kind of related to the first movies.

[00:55:37] I'll give that two and a half. So then then Evil Dead Rise, I liked it for what it was. They took away most of the campiness of it. But I'll give that a three and a half.

[00:55:57] And then I did enjoy the Ash vs Evil Dead TV show. I mean, they were 20 some minute episodes or 30 minute episodes. They packed a lot into each episode because there's always a lot going on in them. I'll say four for that, for me.

[00:56:16] All right. So I'm pretty much a lot of the same kind of reviews here. You know, I'm going to go with a three out of five for the original. I love it as a how to do it

[00:56:26] movie in your backyard. It's just kind of more like thing. But now like on a TV show, like, okay, it's where it's the first season. It's not quite there yet, but it's it's working. It's it should still be seen even if you're not like, you don't take away

[00:56:43] as much as you want from it at first. And then part two and Army of Darkness I would give a four out of five. I just find them very quotable. Yes, as you say before, some gags work better

[00:56:54] than others. And I do wish army had a little more gore in it. But all together, like I can put them on like they are I think the reason they have lasted so long in pop culture is just their

[00:57:05] party movies that they are. One thing I enjoyed about all those movies with with Bruce Campbell's how often he got drenched with whatever blood or blood type stuff since they're right. Oh man, actually in an army of darkness, you know, you get you get all that blood,

[00:57:27] you know, you're always getting all this blood coming out and you're like, nobody holds that much blood in it. Yeah, whatever I'm enjoying. It is almost like the Mr. Orange getting shot on reservoir dogs. You're like, good God,

[00:57:41] he would have bled out by now. Get that man to the hospital. And then I would get you know, 2013 movie. I'm sorry. I'm not so crazy about the filmmaker and I'm not sure what he's going

[00:57:59] to do with the alien franchise. But other than the at the very end, where the female lead goes, you know, feast on this motherfucker, you know, it's like I it's just a real you could argue that

[00:58:15] the original is a slow burn. But like, and my co is actually really likes this one a lot. And I just am not feeling it. I just think the while it's competently made, it's also kind of

[00:58:28] the art direction just kind of takes me out of it. I feel like I'm watching a Netflix movie on the cheap and all the best stuff. It was kind of like the 2022 Texas chainsaw where it's very slow moving, no surprises. And then everyone remembers the last 20 gory minutes,

[00:58:46] but it's not really worth slogging through TV show. I'm going to give it a four out of five like I would have watched three more seasons of this. And I think it worked so well for me

[00:58:57] just because I binge watched it like I would do a season a day. So I recommend that for just anyone in general, like three episodes of the show will often hook you way easier than having to do,

[00:59:08] you know, an hour and then go to bed. I think it's just because it answers a lot of questions in the franchise while also reminding you on, yeah, this happened. And what's going to be next? I just like how kind of like phantasm. They're just reminding that

[00:59:28] this world is going to only get crazier and Ash is finally acknowledging, yeah, you kind of need my stupid somewhat helpful talents, you know, to save the day. So it's kind of like that self acknowledgement, kind of like some of these other TV rehashes of other popular

[00:59:46] movies and shows. And my rating is pretty much the same for Rises as you all. It just, it was a little uneven, but it's still like even though there wasn't really much suspense,

[00:59:58] I felt like again, it was still kind of compelling from just kind of a let's put on a show and then let's do our kind of own thriller terror streak in the last hour. And

[01:00:14] the characters were pretty likable even though they, I felt you could, anyone could have played them. And so it wasn't flawless, but I just at least felt like it was involving enough. And that's

[01:00:27] was a lot because like I did see parts of like TV spots and posters and I was like, I don't know. I thought it was a step up. It's just, I don't know where they go with the franchise from

[01:00:37] here other than just more video games. And but I would like to see more comic books, that's for sure. And once again, people did right. His movie. I mean,

[01:00:57] he was just gonna break it up on me. I can't hear you. So well, I mean, they're going to move further away from Ash, I guess. Yeah, you know, he doesn't want to keep doing it.

[01:01:09] I think we're tired, right? From playing the role. Yeah, I think he does want to because I mean, he's been so funny in interviews where he's just like, it's like we did the movie. We didn't expect anything. And now we didn't expect what we got

[01:01:27] from the second one. So I think, you know, he can keep doing more guest spots and narration and just other just conventions from this point on. He really doesn't have to do any more of it,

[01:01:45] but it is kind of one of those you see fans are like, I need more and more. It's like, well, why? Well, who would you even have as Ash anymore? You know, I'd be okay with it being a totally

[01:01:56] different guy. I don't know. Bradley Cooper maybe is, of course he's getting up there in age two. You know, it can be just a new like if you want to have just some other B movie regulars

[01:02:09] like Tiffany Shepis or some of those other Tim Tomerson, I think would be hysterical. Now it's Jack. He's even older than. But that would be the joke because Transom was kind of

[01:02:22] his evil dad meets back in the future. So it'd be kind of funny to kind of see him. Well, Bruce Campbell is a producer on all these movies. And what I read is that

[01:02:32] he would not sign off on another evil dad where they recast Ash. That's why you never see another Ash in these movies. So we'll see. And that's true. I mean, and I think that's what

[01:02:50] I admire about him. Like he doesn't, unlike some of these other actors, he doesn't let all the moneymen decide his contracts. He was fortunately able to call the shots then and there

[01:03:03] and say, Hey, you know, a joke can only be said, you know, after I've said it a hundred times, how do we keep the joke? You know, funny. And I applaud that for anyone, you know,

[01:03:16] you don't have to learn the hard way like Stallone or Eddie Murphy or John Carpenter even, you know, or you're like, okay, people aren't accepting it anymore. Right. We've done that because rejection sucks. It really sucks because

[01:03:31] you don't know what you can do better when you just been told no. Yeah. 70s act 70 year old action stars. That's what we need. Lam, you said, you know, I, I know for a while he and Tony Todd were kind of teasing.

[01:03:48] Let's do an expendables version, but like with horror actors like Freddie Gruger and such. But I don't know if they've kind of done it, but not really. So I don't know. I there's plenty of utter franchises. I would have loved to just see Ash make a cameo in

[01:04:04] and that would be more than enough for me, honestly. But what do I know? But Kevin, I got to applaud you because you go into just all kinds of movies that like they have an audience, but you really don't see enough people like talk about it.

[01:04:19] Like everything from species to just other just obscure kind of slashers and 80s, like trapped in space kind of movies. I appreciate that. Yeah. Well, I mean, like I said, we've done modern popular films and we've done crazy obscure things.

[01:04:37] Yeah, from Dustin Don to, you know, whatever, whatever the spirit moves us. However, the necronomicon blows through our window. So but I appreciate that. Thank you. For sure. And you're always active on social media and I applaud that because, you know, it's

[01:04:59] it's tough to keep up with the flow. I know you did. I heard your warlock episode and I miss Julian Sands even more and more every day. Absolutely. That's the name I haven't heard in a while.

[01:05:13] Yeah, it was so funny. I remember when I was introducing my parents to 24 and they're like, wait a second, is that the guy who was in, you know, leaving Las Vegas and I'm just

[01:05:23] straight up, you know, he's been in everything and it's just it's one of those where you're just like, why did he disappear? And why couldn't no one find him on that one hiking trip? And

[01:05:33] again, warlock is just fun. It's fun. I haven't watched it a long time. But yeah. Yeah. And kind of like Evil Dead, they did a second one and it was just fun to kind of see them

[01:05:47] kind of acknowledge the first one, but then kind of do a loose reboot of the sequel is just again, I think people are just they don't know how to market their work, I think is the main issue. Like or if they do,

[01:06:02] you know, like they're afraid of rejection. It's like, well, just go for it. You know, well in this day of, you know, Instagram and Facebook and all these other just insufferable. It's just like guys, just chill out. It's not even out yet.

[01:06:24] Well, oftentimes the you know, the movie companies, you have a different entirely different department who's in charge of promoting the movie. So yeah, they oftentimes promote it how they think people would want to know rather than what it's really about. So it's not in studio anymore. Yeah.

[01:06:44] It's a mystery. And I mean, you've done one of Stranger Calls and I kind of like even just talking about just kind of the obscure movies and how unfortunately some people only know about

[01:06:56] lesser remakes of them. And I'm like, well, what's the original? I mean, I've been kind of that with my mother at times where she was like, plenty of the apes didn't they do that awful, you know,

[01:07:07] in 2000s, I'm like, no, no, stop right there. You know, you have to stop these guys once in a while. It's like, Mark, yeah, I don't know what version you saw, but that's not what most people consider. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I don't know. Like,

[01:07:25] tremors, they can keep doing a bunch of those and I have. I stopped with three. Yeah, I think I've seen them all but I did kind of deteriorate on the last two. But I was like, yeah, go figure,

[01:07:37] you know, that's Michael Gross is kind of motif, you know, he'll do some TV work. Yeah. The dad from Family Ties is there. Family Ties, yeah. And then that's like a second

[01:07:49] best known role and he's just going to keep milking it every once in a while. And kind of like that, the same kind of deal. He's technically a douche guy, hates the government, everything. And yet

[01:07:59] some, he'll say like one thing that's true that you relate to and you're like, oh my God. And now he's going to kill all these giant snake type creatures. It's funny what they, when they do versus movie like crossovers, like I actually had some fun with

[01:08:15] Lake Placid versus Anaconda because it was just outrageous. Lake Placid versus Anaconda. Yeah. What the lake is fighting the Anaconda? It's just the gators in the lake. But yeah, I mean, it was just so, so many used to just go crazy with it after a while. I'm like,

[01:08:33] of course, you know, these are the studio that brought you Bo versus Python after all. Aren't these all like sci-fi channel? Yeah, it was sci-fi, but it was also kind of fun seeing Freddie Krueger actor Robert England in there as the mad scientist who's helping save the town.

[01:08:50] It was just kind of just, this is nutty, nutty, nutty. That's like the asylum I think is the company. They're the certain age. They're famous for the trans morphers, franchise and Atlantic Rim. Yeah. They've even done some superhero type movies that kind of

[01:09:13] aped off of the name for like Justice League and stuff like that. Absolutely. And sometimes they've been barely changing the title. I recommend LaVanchela which did cross over with them since it was a sci-fi property. LaVanchela. I'm with Bestie Gutenberg, right? Yeah,

[01:09:31] the police academy actors appear, but I loved how just Mike Mendes who's made a living kind of doing Joe Dante, Sam Raimi type stuff is just like don't kill it and what have you. He just

[01:09:42] knows how to keep it 90 minutes without making you feel like it's over long or just too dumb. I think if you guys, have you guys ever seen Charles Bannett at a convention?

[01:09:52] No. No. I love how just, I've seen some of the videos he used to post on his YouTube and he's just hysterical because he's just kind of like Jim Wynorski. He's very self deprecating. He'll go,

[01:10:08] if you hate my movies, stop buying my next killer doll movie. I just love how he just, he knows what he's making and he's just having fun doing it. Absolutely. You mentioned Ted Raimi earlier. I remember watching a 2016 panel where he and the stars of Wishmaster were together

[01:10:26] and Robert Kurtzman noted how he had done a Photoshopped Candyman versus Wishmaster poster in his office and Ted started joking around with Andrew D. Voff who plays the gin is like, do you die in this movie? Nope. Surprisingly, I make it out alive in the Jack Ryan movies,

[01:10:46] but yeah. Back to the movie I died. I'm trying. You mentioned Charles Bannett. Is he the full moon guy? Yeah, full moon creator. He had a podcast back in like 2022 to early 2023 and then he kind of

[01:11:02] stopped doing it, which was a shame because he had just so many, he was getting a lot of the same guests who were like on Mick Garris and a bunch of the other horror sci-fi podcasts and was

[01:11:14] like, see, but these guys are just talking shop. They're talking what they've done 40 years ago that you just can't compare to now. Well, I'm just trying to think of two movies, Oblivion and

[01:11:28] Oblivion 2. That was a great- Oh, well, but aside from Transurs and the Puppet Master and Robot Jogs, he's just always coming out with just some outrageous formula and you're just like, of course. Like the minute you see that logo, you're like, I know what I'm watching.

[01:11:47] Dramatic toys and everything is just- Absolutely. Well, and I go even further back. I liked the Reanimator movie from beyond. From beyond. Yep. So the Stuart Gordon collaborations and in college, I watched a lot of stuff that Gordon had worked on with Brian Usina, like

[01:12:05] Progeny, Faust and the dentist. It was always just fun how for a while that was kind of the motif because like you say, it didn't get too extreme, but it did get over the top to where

[01:12:19] you weren't surprised if you saw it on an HBO sci-fi type station. You brought up Reanimator made me think of Jeffrey Combs. There's another that I just love to watch, no matter what he does. The man is very charismatic and

[01:12:37] I feel for him when he just talks about how sometimes people would be very rude at certain like casting auditions to where that would kind of make him flock and just say, okay,

[01:12:46] I'm doing more independent stuff, even if it's not my cup of tea. I feel like a lot of guys are just, I mean, I kind of miss when you can make a high round movie. That's fine, but

[01:13:02] people used to just kind of joke and then watch a low brown movie. It just wasn't, no one was forcing you to watch it. If you're going to watch something goofy like Ginger Dead Man or Leprechaun, go for it. Killer Bong. You know what you're watching.

[01:13:18] I mean, with a title, how is that not apparent? I mean, watch them with riff tracks. Yeah, I bet it was like, I don't know if they did evil. I don't know what they did, but they have it.

[01:13:32] I mean, and I'm okay with just wacky, just other just bizarre stuff where just, I don't know, do just something just goofy, you know, like, I'd be okay if they rebooted pumpkin hat or something, even though I legit like the first one.

[01:13:50] You know, so it is what it is, man. I'm Cedric and I still have to watch that one. I've never seen it. In portrait. And I always like doing kind of some of these fun B movies because

[01:14:07] you never heard about anyone getting hurt. And I think that's what evil dead also paved the way for people would get hurt on it, but not to the point where like people weren't being properly paid or someone ripped off their word or anything.

[01:14:21] I hope from the writer's strike and everything, people can remember, hey, don't take shortcuts, do a movie clean and simple. I would always get annoyed when I would see how, I think it was Joe Estevez. Yes, that soul taker, Joe Estevez. I'm best pals with.

[01:14:41] With Martin Sheen's younger brother from all the crazy B movies. And he told me how I would hear from both him and other people on forums how the maniac cop guy, Robert Zadara, would get bullied by conventions because of how he looked.

[01:14:56] And I'm like, well, good God that you're here for a signature. You're not here to tease someone on, you know, in an allergic skin condition that they have on their face. Good God. So I hope the convention scenes are still being pleasant and polite.

[01:15:14] I hope, you know, because I would always get angry when I'd watch a movie that was entertaining, but then hear about behind the scenes, how the actor was impossible to work with or someone got touched inappropriately during a sex scene or someone actually broke their leg

[01:15:30] during a fight. You know, it just always gets irky because she's like, what's going on with people? She'd be able to get this done, you know, and make up people probably do have it the worst

[01:15:44] because sometimes people aren't patient with the process. And other times the actor's picky about how many times they wear it during the day. So I mean, it's a very taxing situation and the easier you can make it for everybody, the better, man.

[01:16:01] And just feed everyone on time. Come on. Can't work on an empty stomach. That is true. But yeah, if anyone would want to plug anything, promote anything, now's the time.

[01:16:22] No, just like the whole thing I got going on is I'm going to go see a Rift Tracks event sometimes soon. Yeah, there you go. But other than that, I got nothing else I do. So

[01:16:32] Perfect. Kevin, what do you have coming up? Yeah, I'm one of the hosts of the podcast that wouldn't die. We discussed guilty pleasures and forgotten classics. We're going to do a little Fontaine type voice. The podcast that wouldn't die. Guilty pleasures, forgotten classics of

[01:16:51] the horror and sci-fi genre with a comedic twist, we hope. Let's see. This last week we did The Wraith, the Charlie Sheen car science fiction horror movie, hard to say. It's a girl from Twin Peaks, isn't it? Randy Quaid, Clint Howard. It's really an all star cast.

[01:17:17] So you have that to look forward to. Oh, shoot. I forgot. I bought that movie like a year ago and I was going to show my wife that forgot I had it. I got to remember to show it to her.

[01:17:31] It's a thing. It's a problem. And next week, I'm not sure when this is coming out, but next week we're doing The Purge. So that's another, we've never seen it before. So we jumped right

[01:17:46] in. So that's what the interview was about. Have you ever done Killdozer? I have not done Killdozer, but I'm adding it to the list right now. We did have fun doing that because we incorporated an

[01:17:58] interview from Conan and just, it was kind of just in that mix of just crazy people being attacked by anything, any inanimate object. It's like, of course, a killer tractor trying to kill everybody. Perfect. Beware. Beware. Don't go to a theme park kids, the supreme draft.

[01:18:19] It was campy and again, no one got hurt during the making of it. Everyone kind of left it off when they're asked about it in interviews. I missed that when kind of that Roger Cormor

[01:18:30] effect where he's like, yeah, I did that. What won't you ask me that? I haven't been asked a hundred times already. And it was Robert Yarks first movie. Robert Yorek, yeah, before he became

[01:18:42] a TV regular. So and oh, nice. Patton Oswald brings it up as one of his favorite cheesy movies. But see, that's kind of the, like you say, the proper way to make a cheesy movie because

[01:18:54] then you see other people doing stuff and trying to put it on 2B and you're like, come on guys. Can you let your material breathe instead of just trying to make an easy buck? All the net jobs. Absolutely. But I applaud anyone out there who can do it.

[01:19:12] I would love to do a panel in the future and just bring a bunch of podcasters along and somehow broadcast it, but we'll see. You know, I just I love how and you are welcome to be on an audio drama in the future. Well, we're going to we're

[01:19:24] going to keep trying to experiment with all kinds of different audio outlets and sounds great. Just let me know. And just always look twice before you go inside a trailer. I don't know. Just random Crystal Lake advice, I don't know. I'm not an expert. I've never been there.

[01:19:45] I was like, is that a killdozer thing? No, you're right. If you're at Crystal Lake, look out. I wonder if I could cosplay as the sheriff from Part Six and how many people would actually get that I'm doing that? Because I'm sure if he tried and he filled,

[01:20:05] he fought Jason for five seconds, but he tried. And he put his best foot forward. He tried, couldn't mustered the win. But yeah, no, I would love to for them to do more Jason comics and

[01:20:21] then just have Ash just randomly appear in there and just even just randomly like comment on all the random places he's been. He's like, you went to space, motherfucker. Boomstick again. So yeah, everyone sleep tight and don't let the dead eyes bite.

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