ESCAPE PLAN Movies Review Minisode (with Josh Hansen)

[00:00:00] Any break requires three things. Knowing the layout, understanding the routine, and help from outside or in.

[00:00:07] If you know the layout, the weak side is obvious. In Ben Waters' case, it's the secure housing unit.

[00:00:12] It's located next to an unsecured fire garage. Knowing the guard's routine was the next step.

[00:00:17] After I knew the routine, all I had to do was pick the day.

[00:00:21] Clay it over the keypad. The impression will indicate which four keys are pressed.

[00:00:33] After I covered my tracks, I had one minute to make it to the fiery spawn ship before the team did.

[00:00:40] Before you know it, I'm right where I want to be.

[00:00:45] Just in time to catch my ride.

[00:00:48] The people who paid for you to be here want you here forever.

[00:00:51] Someone set me up, and I'm going to find out why.

[00:00:54] I'm going to burn this place to the ground.

[00:00:58] Escape plan. Read it R.

[00:01:03] We missed.

[00:01:04] We loaded it.

[00:01:06] We edited it.

[00:01:10] Sometimes we get so deep into conversation that we have separate segments worthy of their own place in the sun.

[00:01:18] Here is a reshuffled mini-episode.

[00:01:27] So I got one question for you as a part of a mini-sode.

[00:01:43] Yeah.

[00:01:44] Why do you think the whole escape plan movies by Stallone, co-starring Arnold and Bautista, were kind of just B-movie cinema in a more mainstream setting?

[00:01:56] I mean, I know there's been...

[00:01:58] I've only seen the first one.

[00:02:00] I think I liked it.

[00:02:02] And see, what's so funny is, I don't think it's a manipulative movie, but it's definitely a divisive movie.

[00:02:07] Like, the people I think would like it, thought it was either meh, okay, or hated it.

[00:02:11] And then the people who I think...

[00:02:14] Yeah, I mean, I'm not, like, recommending it, but I went into it with no expectations, and I was just like, this is a bit of fun.

[00:02:22] That's all we can ask for.

[00:02:24] Like, that and Speed.

[00:02:27] Like, I have...

[00:02:28] Like, yeah, we've been dissecting the shit out of Speed.

[00:02:32] Like, in Gideon, the minutia and everything, and the tiny little things that didn't work, or could have been whatever.

[00:02:39] Could have been better.

[00:02:40] I don't look at it...

[00:02:42] Those are two different tiers of movies, and there's probably a tier in between them.

[00:02:48] But I look at that, and I'm like, yeah, this is a bit of fun.

[00:02:51] Oh, this is silly.

[00:02:52] It's fucking Stallone and Schwarzenegger.

[00:02:54] Yeah, fine.

[00:02:55] Cool.

[00:02:57] Let's have them both do their schlocky thing.

[00:03:01] It's kind of a tribute.

[00:03:02] Ham it up.

[00:03:03] Have some fun.

[00:03:04] Yeah.

[00:03:05] Like, my level of, like, quality...

[00:03:09] I don't even want to say quality.

[00:03:11] I don't know.

[00:03:12] I like...

[00:03:13] I had fun with it.

[00:03:14] It was also kind of a throwback to what they had done before.

[00:03:17] You know, Arnold had done running.

[00:03:18] Yeah, a little bit.

[00:03:19] And Stallone had done Lockup.

[00:03:21] It's like...

[00:03:22] Yeah.

[00:03:23] They're in it.

[00:03:23] Yeah, Lockup.

[00:03:24] Wasn't he, like...

[00:03:25] Like, the world's greatest, like, prison break artist?

[00:03:29] Like, because that's a...

[00:03:30] That makes me think of, like, Roadhouse, where it's, like, the world's greatest bouncer.

[00:03:36] Bouncer.

[00:03:36] And he doesn't have any qualifications.

[00:03:37] Those aren't occupations.

[00:03:39] Yeah.

[00:03:39] Either of those are...

[00:03:40] I mean, bouncer's an occupation, of course.

[00:03:42] But, like, you're not, like, a celebrity.

[00:03:45] Like, everyone doesn't know you.

[00:03:48] Yeah.

[00:03:49] You're here by...

[00:03:51] Well, why are you here?

[00:03:53] Yeah.

[00:03:53] Because the script said so.

[00:03:56] Right.

[00:03:56] Said you're the best and everyone doesn't.

[00:03:57] It's like a game of improv.

[00:03:59] It only works if everyone just acknowledges versus...

[00:04:02] Well, yeah.

[00:04:02] That's one of the things, like...

[00:04:04] I'm on board with any world you want to create.

[00:04:09] As long as you follow the rules that you set out.

[00:04:12] Yes.

[00:04:13] Don't just be, like...

[00:04:15] There could be people with powers or celebrities that are, you know, bouncers or whatever.

[00:04:21] As long as you adhere to the rules you've set out, I'm fucking in.

[00:04:25] I don't care.

[00:04:26] Like, it's all make-believe.

[00:04:28] It doesn't have to be real.

[00:04:30] It's real in that world.

[00:04:32] And if it's something that wouldn't work in the real world, just keep acknowledging,

[00:04:35] hey, this is...

[00:04:36] Like, have the characters go, I have no idea what's happening.

[00:04:39] You know?

[00:04:39] Or it's just...

[00:04:40] Yeah, I mean, you could be meta like that, but...

[00:04:43] Like in a heist movie?

[00:04:44] You could also play it perfectly straight as long as you set out the rules of this fictional

[00:04:48] world and then you adhere to them, I'm good.

[00:04:52] That or just even, like, when the jig is up, like...

[00:04:56] You could be like, we breathe water and drink air.

[00:05:00] Like, but as long as you adhere to that, I'm on.

[00:05:03] I'm in.

[00:05:04] Cool.

[00:05:04] Show me.

[00:05:05] Show me something weird.

[00:05:06] Don't care.

[00:05:08] Right?

[00:05:11] Ridiculous example, but you see my point.

[00:05:14] I do see your point.

[00:05:15] I...

[00:05:16] I...

[00:05:16] I...

[00:05:17] I saw so many people who otherwise would have probably loved these kinds of movies

[00:05:21] because, I mean, it's just in a...

[00:05:23] It was kind of similar to Half Past Dead, but without trashy human beings like Seagal in

[00:05:27] it.

[00:05:28] And I'm just like, see, this is just cheesy B-movie fun.

[00:05:31] You got Daniel Bernhardt, who was Agent Johnson in Matrix Reloaded.

[00:05:34] You got...

[00:05:35] I wonder if...

[00:05:36] I wonder if, like, Escape Plan didn't suffer from a little bit of some expectations because

[00:05:45] we hadn't really seen those...

[00:05:48] I get that the producers were...

[00:05:49] Arnold showed up in an Expendables or something, but that, like, that was nothing.

[00:05:52] You know?

[00:05:53] Right.

[00:05:53] But we haven't really seen them as, like, the two leads, and that's what we all wanted

[00:05:57] throughout the 80s and 90s, and we never got.

[00:06:00] We never got it.

[00:06:00] So if, like, that's the culmination of it, I could see...

[00:06:04] I understand that the producers...

[00:06:06] I could see why people might be disappointed in what we got, because it was just...

[00:06:09] I mean, it was...

[00:06:10] It was, like, like a...

[00:06:12] Like an average Netflix movie.

[00:06:15] Oh, yeah.

[00:06:16] It could have gone that way.

[00:06:18] But those two, like, we'd been building it up in our heads for 20, 30, 40 fucking years,

[00:06:24] you know?

[00:06:30] All those shitty direct-to-video movies with Vol Kilmer, 50 Cent, and Bruce Willis.

[00:06:35] I'm like, but this were...

[00:06:37] I found these were...

[00:06:37] I also don't fault anybody for doing that.

[00:06:39] Like, if you're gonna pay me a million dollars for half a day, yeah, I'll be on your Redbox

[00:06:45] movie.

[00:06:46] I don't shit.

[00:06:47] Like, why wouldn't I?

[00:06:50] I...

[00:06:51] I don't know, man.

[00:06:52] I just think we're...

[00:06:53] It's like the old thing where, like, it doesn't happen anymore, but the equivalent of,

[00:06:59] of, like, big stars doing commercials in, like, Japan.

[00:07:03] Because they never show up here.

[00:07:06] You know?

[00:07:06] You go for a day, you make this thing, you make a million dollars, no one ever sees it.

[00:07:12] Well, you make one of these Redbox, like, Amazon, nothing, Hulu, whatever movies that,

[00:07:18] you know, no one ever sees that are part of that geezer-teaser type...

[00:07:23] Big geezer.

[00:07:24] These guys are old geezers, yeah.

[00:07:26] Well, yeah.

[00:07:27] I mean, that's, there's a reason, because there's, that's a genre of movies where you

[00:07:32] slap a known person.

[00:07:34] Like, I mean, I mean, Willis is a whole different...

[00:07:39] That's a whole other conversation, but...

[00:07:41] Yeah, he didn't know where he was.

[00:07:42] But any other, like, known person, like...

[00:07:45] I mean, you get, like, Kelsey Grammer showing up in Money Plane.

[00:07:49] Yes!

[00:07:50] Oh my god.

[00:07:52] And it's so funny seeing people who usually like bullshit that stars wrestlers are now

[00:07:57] getting overcritical about those.

[00:07:59] It's like, all these guys who would usually watch...

[00:08:03] Kind of like how you were talking earlier, it's like, why is this okay here versus there?

[00:08:07] It's like, okay, well, so you had fun watching these cheesy movies on Spike TV and USA Network.

[00:08:13] Like, now you're burnt out.

[00:08:15] Now it's no longer fun.

[00:08:16] It's okay to just fucking sit back, like...

[00:08:20] And it's hard...

[00:08:21] I don't know if you feel this, but, like, with some of the stuff we do, it's hard for me now

[00:08:25] to just sometimes sit back and just, like, let a movie happen.

[00:08:30] And, like, not dissect it and be, like, thinking about this, that, or, like, what I may already know

[00:08:37] about the production and, like, just fucking enjoy it for what it is.

[00:08:42] It depends on the mood, I think.

[00:08:46] I have a hard time with that now, which sucks.

[00:08:49] Like, I often have to watch a movie multiple times.

[00:08:53] Like a big...

[00:08:54] Oh, jeez.

[00:08:55] Like a comic book, like an MCU movie.

[00:08:58] Almost every time I hate it now.

[00:09:00] So I'm just, I'm in that mode of, like, how am I going to talk about this?

[00:09:05] Like, what am I going to...

[00:09:06] Having to take notes and watch it.

[00:09:08] That's not letting it happen to me.

[00:09:09] I'm just, like, bumped out of it.

[00:09:12] Gotcha.

[00:09:13] Oh.

[00:09:15] I don't know the answer to that.

[00:09:17] That's the other problem.

[00:09:18] I don't think any of us know the answer to it.

[00:09:20] Our mileage really does vary.

[00:09:22] I mean, like, I'm not...

[00:09:24] This is not me complaining, like, if that's, like, part of work.

[00:09:29] Like, I'm...

[00:09:31] That's great work.

[00:09:32] I've worked in cubicles.

[00:09:33] I've worked in...

[00:09:34] It's so much fun.

[00:09:36] Like, that is way better.

[00:09:39] So it's not a complaint.

[00:09:40] It's just...

[00:09:41] It's interesting to me to have to, like, reconcile that and try and look at it.

[00:09:47] And, like, that it needs multiple viewings.

[00:09:49] Like, I don't know how people that do this shit for a living go and, like, do immediate reactions.

[00:09:56] They get, like, their...

[00:09:57] They see the first showing or, like, they see it early or whatever.

[00:10:01] And they're, like, they have an opinion.

[00:10:03] I don't have an opinion until I've seen it.

[00:10:05] Something like that for a while.

[00:10:09] Yeah.

[00:10:09] Like, I gotta let it ruminate.

[00:10:10] And I gotta, like, detach myself from that whole thing that I just talked about.

[00:10:16] Okay.

[00:10:17] I think a lot of people, they don't like to also say, like, there's good, there's bad, there's so bad it's good.

[00:10:25] I like to do the whole, this is a $1 rental.

[00:10:29] This is a 2 a.m. Sunday night movie.

[00:10:33] You know, I like to...

[00:10:35] That's a, I mean, that's a good way to...

[00:10:37] This is a good movie.

[00:10:38] But it's so long.

[00:10:40] Like, The Deer Hunter.

[00:10:41] That's a good movie.

[00:10:42] But I had to watch it in 2...

[00:10:44] On our show, I so often am just like, it was fine.

[00:10:48] Like, it was fine.

[00:10:50] It was fine.

[00:10:53] Like, it's, it's, it's, you're not gonna be...

[00:10:56] Like, I wasn't mad.

[00:10:58] I wasted, I didn't waste my time.

[00:11:00] Like, maybe I wouldn't, like, go out of my way because it's...

[00:11:03] But that's more just because there's so much out there.

[00:11:07] But, like, it's, like, it was fine.

[00:11:09] It was fine.

[00:11:11] Most things are just fine.

[00:11:14] True.

[00:11:15] I mean, it definitely gets to that point where you're just like, what's going on?

[00:11:21] And why do I like this?

[00:11:22] Well, I don't know.

[00:11:24] I'm just gonna show.

[00:11:25] I try to get out of my own head, but that's a dangerous place to be.

[00:11:31] Oh, man.

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