Doctor Who Saga Tribute (with another all-star cast!)

[00:00:02] I've left for over 2000 years and not all of them were good.

[00:00:06] To our history?

[00:00:10] He has walked this universe for centuries, untold.

[00:00:13] He has seen stars fall to dust.

[00:00:16] Where we going?

[00:00:18] The most dangerous place in the universe...

[00:00:21] ...into darkness.

[00:00:24] You might want to find something to hang on to.

[00:00:29] When disaster comes, he's there.

[00:00:31] I'm the Doctor. I'm a time-liver.

[00:00:34] I'm the Doctor.

[00:00:35] I am the Doctor!

[00:00:39] The man that stops the monsters.

[00:00:45] Dark time!

[00:00:47] It's called the Tarnis.

[00:00:49] They can travel anywhere in time and space.

[00:00:52] And it's mine.

[00:00:54] He changed. He regenerated.

[00:00:56] They can literally bring themselves back to life.

[00:00:59] God save us all!

[00:01:02] Have you met monsters before?

[00:01:05] Yeah.

[00:01:06] Are you scared of them?

[00:01:07] No, they're scared of me.

[00:01:10] Tell me.

[00:01:11] Am I a good man?

[00:01:12] Or where he will be?

[00:01:18] Where he will always be?

[00:01:42] It's a chapter review show.

[00:01:44] It's a chapter review show.

[00:01:50] It's a chapter review show.

[00:01:52] It's a chapter review show.

[00:01:54] It's so ingrained and it seems like the British culture.

[00:02:14] It's like, that's how I found out about it from my godfather,

[00:02:17] who's from Lancaster.

[00:02:19] Oh, nice.

[00:02:21] Yeah.

[00:02:22] We're getting a cultural history here, I guess.

[00:02:25] You could say.

[00:02:27] And so, Natalia, we're talking about Star Trek today.

[00:02:30] Oh, fuck.

[00:02:31] Damn it.

[00:02:32] It was the Twilight Zone episode tonight.

[00:02:34] Oh, you could, but...

[00:02:36] No, no, no.

[00:02:37] It's the Outer Limits episode.

[00:02:38] No, fuck.

[00:02:39] Different dimensions, guys.

[00:02:40] We are talking about Doctor Who.

[00:02:42] We're talking Camp.

[00:02:43] Yes.

[00:02:44] Sci-fi, mind blowing, just wormholes galore.

[00:02:50] And yeah, Tardis is flying through the sky.

[00:02:52] And we're talking about Star Trek tonight.

[00:02:54] Oh, fuck.

[00:02:55] Damn it.

[00:02:56] I mean, you could.

[00:02:57] It was the Twilight Zone episode tonight.

[00:02:59] Yeah.

[00:03:00] So, as we've all reviewed, we got it all down.

[00:03:03] It's like 15 versions of the Doctor, 17 incarnations,

[00:03:07] a few different movies,

[00:03:09] and multiple just beloved character actors,

[00:03:14] one spin-off known as Torchwood.

[00:03:16] And it's like...

[00:03:17] Two.

[00:03:18] The two.

[00:03:19] The two.

[00:03:20] The two.

[00:03:21] The two.

[00:03:22] The two.

[00:03:23] The two.

[00:03:24] The two.

[00:03:25] The two.

[00:03:26] The two.

[00:03:28] And really far back.

[00:03:30] There's K9 and company, and there's like,

[00:03:32] there's a whole bunch of...

[00:03:33] Man, shit.

[00:03:35] That was so close.

[00:03:39] Torchwood was my fave, though. I won't lie.

[00:03:41] Yeah. That was a lot of fun, but I totally spaced on how...

[00:03:44] I did watch a bit of Sarah Jane,

[00:03:46] but yeah, that's right.

[00:03:47] It's the same universe.

[00:03:48] Yeah.

[00:03:49] I never watched it.

[00:03:51] Was it the same actress playing her as was in the...

[00:03:53] Yeah.

[00:03:54] Yeah, Elizabeth Slater.

[00:03:57] And she passed away while production was going on, I think.

[00:04:00] Yes, 2011.

[00:04:01] Yeah.

[00:04:02] That was sad.

[00:04:03] Yeah, she was very, very sick and they stopped doing it.

[00:04:08] And I remember...

[00:04:11] They interviewed Tom Baker.

[00:04:14] Excuse me, guys.

[00:04:15] I still got a little bit of a cold.

[00:04:16] They were interviewing Tom Baker when she passed away.

[00:04:19] He gave this very emotional thing about how...

[00:04:23] You know, he really...

[00:04:25] She was a great person.

[00:04:27] And to us,

[00:04:29] Huvian, she's always going to be the ultimate companion.

[00:04:32] Absolutely.

[00:04:34] Yeah.

[00:04:35] I mean, you do have...

[00:04:38] I don't remember the names on him,

[00:04:40] but it's always been Sarah Jane and the doctor.

[00:04:43] That's a good point too.

[00:04:45] Because I think that's what this show...

[00:04:47] If any version of this show gets right,

[00:04:49] it's definitely the camaraderie.

[00:04:51] The assistants are just as cool as whoever's playing that person,

[00:04:57] that era.

[00:04:58] And I mean, just looking...

[00:05:00] I find the merchandise of this is very unusual.

[00:05:03] Just a very rare kind of mix of how you can find stuff for this

[00:05:08] just in about any country.

[00:05:10] Like there's always some fanboys somewhere,

[00:05:12] whether it's in China or Brazil.

[00:05:14] Like it's...

[00:05:15] Syfy is just somehow very easy to kind of communicate

[00:05:18] and kind of become a kind of an international cold hit.

[00:05:20] But I think one Christmas, I got us.

[00:05:23] And that was a Sonic screwdriver kind of merchandise for my sister.

[00:05:27] Yeah.

[00:05:28] It's just interesting how it kind of comes in different forms and waves.

[00:05:31] And even if you...

[00:05:33] Let's say you're a recent generation versus...

[00:05:37] Saw it back when it was on,

[00:05:39] you know, antenna channels.

[00:05:41] It's like, you get it instantly.

[00:05:43] Like you recognize, hey, that's the TARDIS.

[00:05:45] That's the theme song.

[00:05:47] I know that.

[00:05:49] Every once in a while they find a lost episode in another country

[00:05:52] or someplace around the world as well.

[00:05:54] Makes you wonder who was circulating that tape the wrong way?

[00:05:58] Well, they felt...

[00:05:59] They just recently felt like a lot of...

[00:06:01] I think it's a lot of the heart and all stuff.

[00:06:03] And I think some of the trout and stuff on video.

[00:06:09] Oh wow.

[00:06:10] And they're gonna put it out.

[00:06:12] The guy's having problems trying to get it cleared.

[00:06:15] But...

[00:06:16] That's a file.

[00:06:17] You think they own it, so they would probably have a...

[00:06:20] Yeah.

[00:06:21] The BBC is kind of the bunch of dicks when it comes to certain things.

[00:06:25] They won't release certain things, but yet they'll let certain...

[00:06:29] They did a lot of stuff when we spoke about Python a couple weeks ago.

[00:06:34] They took a lot of stuff that was...

[00:06:38] Like a lot of TV shows and a lot of stuff,

[00:06:41] and they just wiped them because they just needed the room for video.

[00:06:44] And I know that the first couple of years with Hartnell and Trouton

[00:06:52] are stuff missing.

[00:06:53] There's whole series that are missing.

[00:06:55] Yeah.

[00:06:56] And that brings me to...

[00:06:58] They've done a good job with the animated recreations with those.

[00:07:02] With the trout ones I know I've seen.

[00:07:04] Those are really cool.

[00:07:05] I think all the audio is complete on Troutons, but some video is missing.

[00:07:10] Is there more than one?

[00:07:12] No, Hartnell. That's the one I mean.

[00:07:14] Hartnell, yeah.

[00:07:15] Yeah, I think all the audio is complete.

[00:07:17] It's just there's...

[00:07:18] Some of the serials are definitely missing video.

[00:07:21] Wasn't there a Tom Baker one too that got mixed and matched?

[00:07:25] Part line action part.

[00:07:27] I thought it was Shardiff.

[00:07:29] Shardiff.

[00:07:30] Shardiff.

[00:07:31] Shardiff.

[00:07:32] Yeah.

[00:07:33] Yeah.

[00:07:34] I just watched Galaxy Four yesterday.

[00:07:37] Dr. Hood's four.

[00:07:38] That's great.

[00:07:39] Was there more animated than that?

[00:07:41] Because that's the first one.

[00:07:42] I mean, that was the only one I came across yesterday.

[00:07:44] Now that one's been restored.

[00:07:46] Most of the video is gone from that one, I believe.

[00:07:50] Yes.

[00:07:51] I came across a collection about 10, 12 years ago where it was...

[00:07:59] It was a complete collection from Hartnell to Tenet.

[00:08:04] And all the audio was there that was available on the Hartnell episodes.

[00:08:12] There was a lot of production stills that were still around.

[00:08:15] So whoever put that together, they put production stills and just had the audio over it.

[00:08:22] It came out pretty good.

[00:08:24] Like they did with the Star is Born when they did that lost footage from a Star is Born.

[00:08:28] And they had no audio but they couldn't find the film.

[00:08:31] So what they did was original original.

[00:08:33] No, no, the one with Judy Garland James Mason, what they did was they found the audio,

[00:08:38] but they couldn't find the movie, the film.

[00:08:40] So they just found a lot of the shots that were used better than nothing.

[00:08:44] Yeah.

[00:08:45] Yeah.

[00:08:46] Yeah.

[00:08:47] Okay.

[00:08:48] So I'm going to give everyone a proper intro.

[00:08:50] So, uh, Rudds, is that how I pronounce it?

[00:08:55] Who goes there?

[00:08:58] Hi, David.

[00:08:59] David from David Ratsala.

[00:09:03] Oh yes. Awesome.

[00:09:05] The one who suggested this chat. How you been, buddy?

[00:09:09] We'll make your day.

[00:09:10] Good. I couldn't.

[00:09:12] I couldn't find the cable I normally use.

[00:09:15] So it got me behind jumping on and have it.

[00:09:18] And I have the weirdo name there.

[00:09:21] It's all good already renamed.

[00:09:24] So he was beamed aboard his TARDIS.

[00:09:26] He's loving the, uh,

[00:09:29] The animated chat we're having here.

[00:09:32] JJ and Tom are back in.

[00:09:34] Would you like a jelly baby?

[00:09:36] Yeah.

[00:09:40] Doctor.

[00:09:42] No.

[00:09:44] I'm your host, Kam Sully, the third stooge.

[00:09:47] Uh, Gil Adler is back in the studio.

[00:09:50] Yay.

[00:09:52] I don't know how you had some for him.

[00:09:55] Uh, movie geek herself, Natalia McCarty is back in session.

[00:10:00] Yay.

[00:10:02] Yay.

[00:10:04] Yay.

[00:10:06] Animal.

[00:10:08] Music rewind host, Stephen Epley has got a lot to say.

[00:10:12] Yes. Hello. I'm here.

[00:10:14] Hello.

[00:10:16] I'm here.

[00:10:18] You're here.

[00:10:20] Where there and somebody else is over there.

[00:10:22] Tell us what we have to know. Okay.

[00:10:27] James Tundin Edwards.

[00:10:29] Is here.

[00:10:31] And Paul Derby is animated as always.

[00:10:35] It's time to reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.

[00:10:38] Yeah.

[00:10:40] I just knew you were going to pick a very direct quote.

[00:10:43] That's awesome.

[00:10:45] I thought about you.

[00:10:47] I thought about doing it going to Mercury links,

[00:10:49] but I've always been partial to the neutron flow.

[00:10:53] I mean, the pointer centers enters,

[00:10:55] introduce us to the neutron dance.

[00:10:58] So.

[00:11:00] I know.

[00:11:02] Good.

[00:11:04] Sci-Fi hardcore fanatic chase Adkins is also on.

[00:11:07] Hello, how the devil is everyone.

[00:11:10] Cannot complain.

[00:11:13] Until there's bloody hell to complain.

[00:11:15] But yeah, no, I think this is going to be a very lively,

[00:11:18] constructive labor of love.

[00:11:21] And it was so funny, you know,

[00:11:23] James and Tom would bring it up on occasion.

[00:11:25] Paul was like, I think we should totally do that.

[00:11:27] And then, yeah, David was like the one who hit it.

[00:11:29] Finally the nail in the coffee is like, hey,

[00:11:31] you know, we got to do a big group chat.

[00:11:34] Perfect.

[00:11:36] And we just always had just a crazy schedule.

[00:11:40] And we finally got our shit together.

[00:11:42] We're going to get the new year.

[00:11:44] Perfect.

[00:11:45] Oh man. So here we are just something that.

[00:11:50] It's kind of interesting. Have you ever encountered people who

[00:11:54] kind of got interested in kind of physics and science just

[00:11:58] from even watching fiction like this?

[00:12:01] Yeah.

[00:12:03] Because I will encounter like some scientists or even just people

[00:12:06] who are studying the Hawking type science.

[00:12:09] And you can totally tell it's like, oh, this show is my religion.

[00:12:14] I know a lot of people who are Dr. Who fans.

[00:12:18] My best one of my best friends and me.

[00:12:22] He was one of these guys that was like an ace in physics

[00:12:26] when we were in high school, you know, where I was, you know,

[00:12:29] I was, you know, I couldn't put two magnets together to

[00:12:33] save my life.

[00:12:35] He always loved Dr. Who.

[00:12:38] And when we were in grade school, we had like an official morning

[00:12:41] because Tom Baker was leaving and was it Colin Baker was taking

[00:12:48] over was it?

[00:12:50] Peter Davidson.

[00:12:52] This is what I love.

[00:12:53] And people know this.

[00:12:54] We're going to all be able to correct you.

[00:12:57] We're going to suck Tom Baker's leaving.

[00:13:00] I'm thinking of myself in the back of my head later like,

[00:13:02] well, you get tired of a role, you know, but to us, you know,

[00:13:06] we really like all the crime shows where it's like, hey,

[00:13:09] the style is the star.

[00:13:11] They're just various voices in the room.

[00:13:13] It's not, but I get it.

[00:13:15] It's easy to get attached to someone and be like,

[00:13:17] but I do this with other pals all the time where they're

[00:13:20] like, oh, that actor, they own the role.

[00:13:22] I'm like, yeah, but there's plenty of other things that are

[00:13:25] the reason why it works, the writing, the style,

[00:13:27] the visuals.

[00:13:29] And you have to realize too, that's the doctor my generation

[00:13:32] grew up with.

[00:13:33] You know, we didn't go about Purt, we didn't know about Trout.

[00:13:36] We didn't know about Hartnell.

[00:13:37] You know, we just saw Tom Baker.

[00:13:39] That's, that's a good point because you do have to catch up

[00:13:42] on these other areas.

[00:13:44] That actually leads me to a question.

[00:13:47] Yeah.

[00:13:48] Because I, like I said, my, my godfather was from Blackpool

[00:13:52] from Lancaster.

[00:13:53] But then he lived in Blackpool.

[00:13:55] And he told me about Dr. Who, but how did you guys watch it

[00:14:00] here in the States?

[00:14:01] Because I've never got access to it until I got to see America.

[00:14:05] I read somewhere that it was introduced to the States in

[00:14:09] 74.

[00:14:10] I didn't see it in Iowa till it was like on Iowa Public

[00:14:15] Television, which I think was around 78.

[00:14:17] And it was Tom Baker.

[00:14:19] Yeah.

[00:14:20] Yeah.

[00:14:21] That makes a lot of sense when Tom Baker took over as well.

[00:14:24] I definitely have seen numerous eras throughout PBS.

[00:14:29] And by the time.

[00:14:31] Tenants was exploding, I was already had seen a bunch of

[00:14:35] Eccleson and was kind of liking him, even though he was kind of

[00:14:38] on the record saying, Hey, I don't care for that role of

[00:14:40] the fans.

[00:14:41] Right.

[00:14:42] My first one was to watch with Eccleson that I had to

[00:14:45] backtrack it because I knew of Baker and Berthway and

[00:14:48] Davidson.

[00:14:49] I didn't know, but I never got to watch them until after

[00:14:52] the fact.

[00:14:53] So I was just wondering when else got to watch it.

[00:14:56] I didn't get to see it.

[00:14:57] It missed out until BBC America and then, and then online

[00:15:01] being on social media and looking back.

[00:15:03] So you had family in Liverpool, but you were based in New

[00:15:06] York watching it?

[00:15:07] Yeah, like they would tell me about it.

[00:15:09] I'm like, I don't know what a dollic is and I want to know.

[00:15:11] Stop telling me and let me see.

[00:15:13] Cause it sounds fine.

[00:15:15] I may be the person who's been watching the longest

[00:15:20] because I lived in the UK as a kid and

[00:15:23] Perkway is the doctor when I started watching.

[00:15:26] Yeah.

[00:15:27] And the thing is, but we had as little access to the old

[00:15:30] stuff in the UK because they didn't do reruns on the BBC.

[00:15:33] No.

[00:15:34] They were too expensive.

[00:15:35] They had to pay virtually the same cost.

[00:15:37] To the actors and the music people and stuff.

[00:15:40] So all I knew about trout and heart and it was a couple of

[00:15:43] photos that you'd seen a comic book or something.

[00:15:45] They were mysterious.

[00:15:47] They were as mysterious to me as anyone till like the VHS came

[00:15:52] out.

[00:15:53] I think it helped though.

[00:15:55] In all fairness, how just about every other British actor who had

[00:15:58] like.

[00:15:59] Done anything from a production at the time.

[00:16:01] And then they were like, well,

[00:16:03] I'm not sure if they were going to be able to do that.

[00:16:05] But they were like,

[00:16:07] Yeah.

[00:16:08] And they were like,

[00:16:09] I don't know if they've done anything from a production that

[00:16:12] was filmed there, like Star Wars to like other British TV,

[00:16:15] like Prime suspect just almost all of them ended up having a

[00:16:18] doctor who guest spot and.

[00:16:19] That's what I meant earlier.

[00:16:21] Yeah.

[00:16:22] So Vessler McCoy was in the hobbit.

[00:16:25] And that's like in his will house fantasy sci-fi horror.

[00:16:29] Here's one that gets me is.

[00:16:31] There was a tub Baker episode where it was Patricia Quinn.

[00:16:36] And then the guy who's helping out is.

[00:16:39] Admiral.

[00:16:40] Admiral P it for.

[00:16:42] Yes.

[00:16:43] So many of the Imperials will show up.

[00:16:45] It's not just Peter cushion.

[00:16:47] You'll see so many others.

[00:16:48] And you're like,

[00:16:49] You'll see them on iClaudia's and you see them and stuff like

[00:16:52] this is like that guy.

[00:16:53] Yeah.

[00:16:55] Oh man.

[00:16:57] I myself, I've got it or just the show.

[00:17:00] Through PBS as well.

[00:17:02] I started watching it technically when I started watching it.

[00:17:07] Davis was the doctor, but I was not aware of him at all.

[00:17:10] As they were airing Tom Baker episodes.

[00:17:13] And I fell in love with it because I was already.

[00:17:17] Digging sci-fi from Star Trek and other old science fiction.

[00:17:21] I was watching it.

[00:17:22] I was watching it.

[00:17:23] I was watching it.

[00:17:24] I was watching it.

[00:17:25] I was watching it.

[00:17:26] I was watching it.

[00:17:27] I was watching it.

[00:17:28] I was watching it.

[00:17:29] I was watching it.

[00:17:31] And that's what I watched.

[00:17:32] I was watching the old science fiction.

[00:17:34] I was watching.

[00:17:35] So watch that like practically.

[00:17:37] Every day after school.

[00:17:39] When I remembered it was on.

[00:17:41] Oh, man.

[00:17:43] Here's here's another funny thing too.

[00:17:45] I had.

[00:17:46] I did not know about the regenerations or anything.

[00:17:51] I'm thinking,

[00:17:52] I think I was like first or second grade when I was watching this.

[00:17:56] man way back. That would be kind of pretty much.

[00:17:59] So the way the way I,

[00:18:02] but that's really the audience in the UK is like really young.

[00:18:06] It's like much younger. Yeah.

[00:18:07] And in the U S.

[00:18:09] There are more than two years.

[00:18:10] I was really young when I started watching it and now all it was all

[00:18:13] that like first grade, second grade, third grade, like air, you know,

[00:18:17] age group that was the biggest thing.

[00:18:19] Funny thing is though the way they did occasionally show

[00:18:22] Pertwee episodes, but I honestly at the time frame, the way

[00:18:27] my brain put two and two together.

[00:18:29] I thought Pertwee was an older doctor.

[00:18:33] Got you.

[00:18:34] He was Tom Baker, older so because his hair was all gray.

[00:18:38] They do kind of look similar.

[00:18:40] It blows my mind to how David Tennant is actually the son-in-law

[00:18:44] of P.

[00:18:47] I love that.

[00:18:48] It's like one of the chances.

[00:18:51] He's one of the doctors daughter who I know.

[00:18:55] The doctor is the doctor's daughter, but also marriage to

[00:18:57] the doctor is yeah.

[00:19:00] They're a little short they did time crash with the two of

[00:19:03] them together.

[00:19:04] That was amazing.

[00:19:05] That was great.

[00:19:07] It was all straight just fan service.

[00:19:09] You know where he's like you're my doctor.

[00:19:12] It was great.

[00:19:12] Yeah.

[00:19:13] Yeah.

[00:19:13] Well, what do you guys's thoughts on the fan base before

[00:19:16] it got heated on who's going to play who for the longest

[00:19:19] time though it seemed like it was pretty laid back like it was

[00:19:21] kind of almost like Python where if you knew it.

[00:19:27] If you didn't know it, they just shut up and moved on to the

[00:19:29] next sci-fi convention and talk to someone who didn't know

[00:19:31] about it.

[00:19:32] It seems like now it's not as it's not is not it doesn't

[00:19:36] have a lot of vitriol like Star Wars has now.

[00:19:40] Star Trek.

[00:19:42] I mean it does.

[00:19:44] It's like one of the most vitriol like I think yeah

[00:19:48] in comparison to Star Trek fandom like I mean it's like

[00:19:53] World War 3.

[00:19:55] I mean it's a new series came back.

[00:19:58] It was like crazy because you not only had old series fans

[00:20:01] but you had these people who became fans when it was off

[00:20:04] the air who were their own brand of people and they were

[00:20:07] really into the new adventures and the big finish

[00:20:09] audios.

[00:20:10] They had their whole own view of what Doctor Who was and

[00:20:15] many of them couldn't just simply couldn't handle it

[00:20:17] becoming popular.

[00:20:19] Yeah, but the thing is is that when you look at when Peter

[00:20:22] Capaldi was there and he left you know and everybody

[00:20:28] kept thinking who was the new Doctor Who's I kind of saw

[00:20:31] this giant like pendulum swing of when the woman was

[00:20:36] named.

[00:20:36] I don't remember.

[00:20:37] I don't even know what a girl.

[00:20:39] Yeah.

[00:20:39] Yes.

[00:20:39] It was like they can have a female doctor.

[00:20:43] This is bullshit.

[00:20:44] It didn't make any sense.

[00:20:45] I'm like he's regenerating myself.

[00:20:48] You know the cheat you have to have cheese to make things

[00:20:52] go forward.

[00:20:53] Well on top of that I mean the master was already a woman

[00:20:57] before that point.

[00:20:58] Yeah.

[00:20:58] Like are you that dolly that you couldn't figure that

[00:21:02] was going to be happening at some point.

[00:21:04] Yeah.

[00:21:04] I mean everyone had Ramana who was a time lady.

[00:21:09] Yes.

[00:21:09] Yeah.

[00:21:10] Yeah.

[00:21:11] I mean everyone really showed their ass when that

[00:21:13] happened because they really did.

[00:21:15] The situation was everyone was so laid back and chill

[00:21:18] and everyone was so adhered to the lore of there.

[00:21:23] He's a time Lord.

[00:21:24] He goes all over the galaxy.

[00:21:26] There are men women non binary aliens all these different

[00:21:29] people the moment he becomes a woman they're like no

[00:21:32] and I'm like why not that doesn't mean but back

[00:21:35] way when Eccleston became the doctor people objected

[00:21:39] vehemently to him.

[00:21:40] No one remembers that.

[00:21:41] North and accent is like what and no one remembers that

[00:21:45] out the tenant might use a Scottish accent.

[00:21:47] So let's like they people freak out like Dr.

[00:21:51] Who fans freak out.

[00:21:52] But so now one of the big things is it's it's a show

[00:21:55] that is about change like you guys just said but it's

[00:21:58] also been around for 60 years so it has this history.

[00:22:02] So it's so it inspires like a conservative approach

[00:22:06] and a progressive approach.

[00:22:08] Yeah.

[00:22:08] And so you when I was introduced to it and I started

[00:22:13] asking questions and like communities and stuff.

[00:22:16] The community was very lately as was said before very laid

[00:22:19] back and very chill like oh welcome to the community.

[00:22:22] Yeah it's about this and that and then as it got as

[00:22:26] I think for me I noticed a change when David Tennant

[00:22:30] left.

[00:22:31] Yeah.

[00:22:32] I started noticing a little bit more of an aggression in

[00:22:36] terms of like defensiveness and everything with the fans.

[00:22:40] You know I didn't get why and then like I think you guys

[00:22:43] are all right like I don't think it's as bad as Star Wars

[00:22:46] but it's still like it would be the sixth most toxic

[00:22:48] fan base.

[00:22:49] I think it's a bad.

[00:22:50] Kind of like took a shift there.

[00:22:53] Yeah.

[00:22:53] I mean yeah it's kind of like always or they were doing

[00:22:56] a similar thing where Pinhead must look like this

[00:22:58] or that.

[00:22:58] I'm like I can tell you haven't climbed barbara novel

[00:23:02] you know it's the same thing with no Gaiman they

[00:23:04] were doing that whole thing where they're like the

[00:23:05] same man is this or that and like the author approved of

[00:23:08] this.

[00:23:08] What is the problem?

[00:23:11] They do this with everything with a little mermaid and

[00:23:13] everything it's like I think people just hate mermaid was

[00:23:16] ridiculous.

[00:23:17] It was like I'm not going to watch a Disney remake but

[00:23:20] it's not going to be because of that.

[00:23:21] That's irrelevant.

[00:23:22] Right.

[00:23:22] It's just you know I wasn't going to watch it but it

[00:23:26] wasn't like I'm tired of remakes but it shouldn't be

[00:23:28] because you look different.

[00:23:30] They were doing it with rings of power the Lord of the

[00:23:32] Rings thing or like oh my God there's a black Hobbit played

[00:23:34] by the guy who played Puerto Rican.

[00:23:36] So when there was a Puerto Rican Hobbit people were

[00:23:38] pissed.

[00:23:38] I'm like why leave him alone.

[00:23:41] It works.

[00:23:43] Like I actually partook and volunteer to work at the

[00:23:46] Puerto Rican Day Parade and that actor was one of the

[00:23:48] people that were in it and I was like I love you man.

[00:23:51] I'm glad you're an elf and he's like thank you

[00:23:53] and I'm like yeah there's a Puerto Rican Hobbit.

[00:23:56] Yeah he's Puerto Rican.

[00:23:57] Yeah.

[00:23:57] Yeah.

[00:23:58] Who was it?

[00:23:59] Hold on.

[00:24:00] I got my internet on a little kid up.

[00:24:02] I forgot his name.

[00:24:03] I said hi to him and I forgot his name.

[00:24:06] And while we're here we're all back in the room.

[00:24:08] Not all of it he was an elf.

[00:24:10] Do you mean Aaron did?

[00:24:13] He was in Star Wars as well.

[00:24:14] He was in the Mandalorian.

[00:24:17] I think I know what you're talking about.

[00:24:20] Um besides he's my uncle for Dova.

[00:24:23] Yeah yeah yeah.

[00:24:24] Oh they're on there.

[00:24:26] Yeah and Ray Donovan.

[00:24:27] Yeah yeah yeah.

[00:24:28] He's a handsome guy.

[00:24:31] The purple Trelik they broke out of prison in the first

[00:24:33] season of the Mandalorian as well.

[00:24:34] That's right okay.

[00:24:35] He was just a crime hiding that man under that much makeup.

[00:24:38] I mean just.

[00:24:39] Yeah but like that was the thing is like I think with

[00:24:42] with every fandom there's going to be people that are

[00:24:44] like change no no no bad I don't want it.

[00:24:47] Unless it suits my agenda.

[00:24:48] Yeah yeah.

[00:24:50] And I mean the doctor they got now.

[00:24:54] Um I can't say his name but I want to because he's fabulous.

[00:24:58] I like him.

[00:24:59] I like how they did this thing with the guy who's now

[00:25:02] playing the heart no doctor the guy who was in uh.

[00:25:05] Oh yes.

[00:25:06] Mary Potter.

[00:25:08] Yeah.

[00:25:09] William Hartnell character and they did this thing where he

[00:25:12] looks over and there's the new guy.

[00:25:14] That's another connection.

[00:25:16] There are a bunch of.

[00:25:17] Smile.

[00:25:18] And all I can say to myself is the same thing.

[00:25:21] I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like

[00:25:24] I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like

[00:25:27] I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like

[00:25:30] I'm like.

[00:25:31] Like the smile he gave him was like saying we've got this

[00:25:34] don't worry.

[00:25:36] Good ones.

[00:25:37] I've seen of him so far.

[00:25:38] Oh yeah.

[00:25:39] I saw.

[00:25:40] I saw the end of the David tenant episode where he appeared

[00:25:43] in it.

[00:25:44] And I was like yeah.

[00:25:46] I.

[00:25:47] I.

[00:25:48] I think.

[00:25:49] I was.

[00:25:50] I was also a static to see the return of the slush little

[00:25:53] toy maker.

[00:25:54] I said a wonderful job.

[00:25:55] Oh yeah.

[00:25:57] Don't lie.

[00:26:00] I'm gonna, I gotta say this though,

[00:26:01] like if you watched the earlier Hartnell episodes

[00:26:04] and the Trouton episodes,

[00:26:07] the BBC was not giving a lot of money to film on location.

[00:26:11] Oh no.

[00:26:12] Just like Lake Seven and Red Dwarf in a way,

[00:26:16] it's that, but it's so wild how you have to put it

[00:26:18] in that format, because if you do it as a movie,

[00:26:20] people always expect it to be epic

[00:26:22] and bigger than it is.

[00:26:24] If you watched the one Planet of the Cybermen,

[00:26:27] which is one of the best ones that trap,

[00:26:29] that, you know, one of the best Trouton episodes,

[00:26:32] you can tell that number one,

[00:26:33] they're filming probably somewhere in Lancashire

[00:26:37] or you know, somewhere there's a quarry.

[00:26:40] And then there's one part where

[00:26:42] there's guy in every film.

[00:26:44] Yeah.

[00:26:45] Yeah, it's the quarry that's in every English film,

[00:26:47] you know?

[00:26:49] And then in one part, the guy picks up,

[00:26:51] I think one of the Cybermen and he walks off camera

[00:26:55] and then he comes back in and you can see

[00:26:58] he throws a dummy at the control panel.

[00:27:01] Yes.

[00:27:02] Yeah.

[00:27:03] And I was like going, I was like going,

[00:27:05] I'm thinking to myself, okay, this does look rather silly,

[00:27:09] but back then it probably looked phenomenal,

[00:27:12] you know, especially with, you know,

[00:27:15] the BBC later was like starting to realize,

[00:27:17] hey, we've got something here,

[00:27:18] now we can start giving money to it.

[00:27:20] And I think that's why, you know,

[00:27:23] when you see it from then to now,

[00:27:25] it grew so much, you know, popularity wise

[00:27:29] and you know, the BBC knew they had a hot property

[00:27:34] on their hands.

[00:27:36] Yeah.

[00:27:37] And I think the problem the BBC has though

[00:27:39] is that because of how the license fee works,

[00:27:42] like they don't actually let a successful TV program

[00:27:45] does not generate revenue for the BBC.

[00:27:48] So it's really difficult for them

[00:27:49] to throw money at a project

[00:27:50] because like where do they get it from?

[00:27:53] So like that one of the things

[00:27:54] that like Doctor Who really suffers from

[00:27:56] is it can be phenomenally popular,

[00:27:58] but they just can't up the budget.

[00:28:00] They can't pay the actors more.

[00:28:02] They can't afford like some of the gross costs,

[00:28:04] which is why the access is changing everything.

[00:28:06] Yeah.

[00:28:07] But you know what I'm trying to say, right?

[00:28:09] Oh yeah.

[00:28:09] BBC is a Warner Brothers entity

[00:28:12] and now you're shipping it on Disney,

[00:28:14] so that's a fox.

[00:28:15] Well, no, I'm saying this is back in the 60s

[00:28:17] when it was still, you know...

[00:28:19] Oh yeah, by Bitter.

[00:28:20] Yeah.

[00:28:21] Yeah, you know, the British, you know,

[00:28:23] it was still the BBC,

[00:28:24] it was still the entity.

[00:28:27] Like it was the only thing in England at that time.

[00:28:30] I think probably London Weekend and Thames TV,

[00:28:34] I think were just starting up at that time.

[00:28:36] That's right.

[00:28:37] There was only two, like when Doctor Who started,

[00:28:40] there was just BBC One and ITV.

[00:28:42] Yeah.

[00:28:43] BBC Two comes along a few years later.

[00:28:46] Yeah.

[00:28:47] I always get the timeframe mixed up sometimes with that, but...

[00:28:51] There was also four of five line television when it started.

[00:28:55] Oh really?

[00:28:56] Yeah.

[00:28:56] Yeah.

[00:28:57] So that's why the hard-null episodes look a little,

[00:29:00] even the best restoration doesn't look as good

[00:29:03] as the...

[00:29:04] It's pretty hard to recreate.

[00:29:06] Yeah.

[00:29:07] Talking about labor alone though.

[00:29:10] Yeah, I also think the people who watched it

[00:29:13] had an appreciation of knowing

[00:29:16] this is a budget they got and they're giving us this

[00:29:18] and this is kind of awesome.

[00:29:19] Yeah, just be happy.

[00:29:20] Yeah.

[00:29:21] I just watched an episode or four episode arc

[00:29:28] for the Ark in Space.

[00:29:30] Oh, standing one.

[00:29:32] And I'm looking at the...

[00:29:33] Is it the Ark in Space or was it something else?

[00:29:36] Oh yeah.

[00:29:37] A guy's hand was covered in this green stuff

[00:29:40] and I'm looking at it for a while.

[00:29:41] Yeah, it's Ark in Space.

[00:29:42] Yeah, and it's covered in this green stuff.

[00:29:44] I'm taking a look at it and I'm like,

[00:29:45] that's bubble wrap painted green.

[00:29:48] Yeah, it's a lot.

[00:29:50] That kind of makes it more charming though.

[00:29:52] You know, it's like hey, you can literally...

[00:29:55] This is like a mainstream parent's basement

[00:29:57] kind of show in a way if you think about it.

[00:30:00] Yeah, production houses...

[00:30:01] I also think it was inspirational.

[00:30:03] Yeah, and I mean when you see all these other

[00:30:06] serious actors who have guest start on here,

[00:30:08] Timothy Dalton's one that comes to mind for me personally

[00:30:12] but is like and see how they're kind of adding

[00:30:15] kind of a charm to it also.

[00:30:16] It's kind of like yeah, it's probably a more mainstream

[00:30:21] independent kind of production if you think about it.

[00:30:24] Pretence Hancock who was on Space 1999.

[00:30:29] Yes, there you go.

[00:30:30] Was on I think the first...

[00:30:33] The first Pertwee episode when he regenerated.

[00:30:39] When we find him as the new, you know,

[00:30:42] as the doctor after Trouton.

[00:30:43] That was spearhead from Space, wasn't it?

[00:30:46] Was that?

[00:30:47] Spearhead from Space gets the first...

[00:30:49] Yeah, I think that was the first episode with the audience.

[00:30:51] Yeah, that was his first story.

[00:30:52] Because that's the one where he gets exiled to Earth

[00:30:55] because the time where it's told...

[00:30:59] Yeah, it's war games when he gets exiled

[00:31:01] and then spearhead from Space...

[00:31:03] War games he gets exiled and then spearhead is like

[00:31:06] is the new version of the doctor.

[00:31:08] Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:09] It was a force regeneration.

[00:31:11] The first one in color.

[00:31:13] Right, and it was also all...

[00:31:15] That was all shot on film.

[00:31:18] Because of a labor dispute.

[00:31:22] Yup.

[00:31:24] Because you look carefully, you're thinking,

[00:31:25] why is it not on video?

[00:31:26] I'm thinking wait, it's film.

[00:31:28] There are like little moments throughout the series

[00:31:31] in the 60s that are in the studio

[00:31:33] that are shot on film and you can...

[00:31:35] Some even shot on 35 millimeter.

[00:31:39] When they're in Ell's Tree, occasionally,

[00:31:41] they would shoot...

[00:31:42] They bring the TARDIS up there and shoot some of the sequences.

[00:31:45] So there are trout and TARDIS sequences

[00:31:48] that are shot on 35.

[00:31:51] Man.

[00:31:52] 35.

[00:31:54] Yeah, David is a film guy.

[00:31:56] So it is awesome though just to know that kind of info

[00:32:00] because you will still see...

[00:32:03] One of the important things to remember is this is like...

[00:32:05] The way Doctor Who was done

[00:32:08] was how all British television was done

[00:32:11] and it only slowly did they start to move to film television.

[00:32:14] It wasn't really until the 80s

[00:32:16] that Doctor Who took a divergence

[00:32:18] and stuck with the filmed exterior,

[00:32:20] videotaped interior's wall.

[00:32:23] The rest of British television was moving away from that.

[00:32:27] So there are shows like Upstairs, Downstairs were shot

[00:32:31] at exterior's film, interior's video.

[00:32:35] I, Claudius, people mentioned...

[00:32:37] This was the... That was how television was done.

[00:32:39] But by the 80s...

[00:32:40] I, Claudius, I, Claudius, I just remember being on video.

[00:32:43] I don't remember ever being on film.

[00:32:46] Maybe it was Betamax.

[00:32:47] So it kind of gave kind of a VHS kind of look, I think.

[00:32:50] No, I think that was mainly...

[00:32:53] It's always was filmed exteriors

[00:32:55] until the 80s when they started doing videotaped exteriors.

[00:32:59] But it is a good thing.

[00:33:00] They didn't have like the videotaped cameras

[00:33:02] to do exteriors in the 60s and 70s.

[00:33:05] It's funny you bring that up though,

[00:33:06] because I do kind of notice that with even stuff

[00:33:08] that's like streaming,

[00:33:09] you can kind of tell what's copied from like

[00:33:12] the actual source.

[00:33:13] Like, I mean...

[00:33:14] Even Monty Python was done that way.

[00:33:17] Yeah, Monty Python.

[00:33:18] Video, interior's, filmed exteriors.

[00:33:21] Yeah.

[00:33:23] There was a show called...

[00:33:26] When you talk about Doctor Who 2,

[00:33:28] I think the one thing that gets me is

[00:33:30] the stories go from...

[00:33:36] The story itself is...

[00:33:39] I always said the one thing that gets me is like,

[00:33:41] you've always had the certain villains in the stories.

[00:33:46] And there's the Daleks.

[00:33:48] There's the Cybermen.

[00:33:50] Let's terminate.

[00:33:52] The Daleks, the Cybermen.

[00:33:54] And then you've got my personal favorite, The Master.

[00:33:59] Yes.

[00:34:01] The great Richard Delgado.

[00:34:03] Yes.

[00:34:05] Who was like...

[00:34:08] We don't see him.

[00:34:09] I don't think we saw him till...

[00:34:12] He wasn't...

[00:34:13] He didn't start until Pertweez run.

[00:34:15] Yeah, and he was almost a regular during Pertweez.

[00:34:17] Although, going to the border,

[00:34:20] I still think the mad monk could be tied into The Master.

[00:34:24] A lot of people...

[00:34:24] Yeah, a lot of people think that's The Master.

[00:34:28] And the thing I loved about Richard Delgado

[00:34:30] is he had such a flair for being a villain.

[00:34:34] Like there was one...

[00:34:35] I remember...

[00:34:36] There was one I remember,

[00:34:38] the car opens up in the area, smoking a cigar in the car.

[00:34:42] And I'm like, oh, damn, that's a good villain.

[00:34:45] That's a villain.

[00:34:46] The Cybermen, yeah, they were robots.

[00:34:48] And the Daleks were...

[00:34:51] Part robot.

[00:34:52] Part robot, part human.

[00:34:54] Cyber, that's what it forms.

[00:34:56] Yeah, and the way they were made,

[00:34:58] like I still get skieved by it.

[00:35:02] You know, they're all...

[00:35:03] They're all the first twin.

[00:35:05] Yeah.

[00:35:06] Who was that?

[00:35:07] They're also...

[00:35:08] They also hail from Earth's twin planet, Mondos.

[00:35:10] Yeah, yeah.

[00:35:12] But I'm saying the way they make you into a Cyberman.

[00:35:17] Yeah, that always scared the crap out of me.

[00:35:19] I was pretty much there for you.

[00:35:21] Yeah.

[00:35:22] They did inspire the boar.

[00:35:24] They totally did.

[00:35:25] They did.

[00:35:25] Yeah.

[00:35:26] I firmly stand by that.

[00:35:28] I've said that before and I've had a debate on that.

[00:35:31] Oh, and Dr. Hughes also...

[00:35:33] In one of the episodes, they almost say resistance is futile.

[00:35:37] It's like they say...

[00:35:38] The line is very close to that.

[00:35:40] They say it.

[00:35:41] Do they actually say it?

[00:35:43] Yeah, I believe they just say it at some point.

[00:35:45] Isn't it in the fight between the Daleks

[00:35:48] and the Cybermen and the headquarters?

[00:35:51] Well, and just also think of what powers

[00:35:55] the doctor himself has.

[00:35:56] He's practically part of the cute continuum,

[00:35:58] you know, a Snapshaker.

[00:36:01] I mean, that's what I've said for a very long time,

[00:36:05] is that as far as Star Trek is concerned,

[00:36:08] I've always been a next-generation trekker.

[00:36:11] They probably have the same science.

[00:36:12] And I firmly believe next-generation trek...

[00:36:15] Twilight Zone.

[00:36:16] ...was what did what doctor who didn't have the money to do.

[00:36:20] Yeah, I believe there's a comic out there

[00:36:22] where Matt Smith's doctor goes to the TNG Enterprise.

[00:36:25] I think there is a bull...

[00:36:27] I thought that had a side crossover as well, yeah.

[00:36:29] Didn't it have David Tennant as well?

[00:36:31] Yeah, they'll tend to crossover with Tom Baker's doctor.

[00:36:34] There you go.

[00:36:35] There's a bunch of pretty ridiculous crossovers.

[00:36:38] This is what you gotta love about comic books.

[00:36:40] They do stuff that wouldn't work as a movie,

[00:36:42] but still gives the fans some satisfaction to crossover.

[00:36:46] The doctor also has a perfect vehicle

[00:36:48] for pretty much crashing into anything.

[00:36:50] Yes!

[00:36:52] The commander of the ship, Pardata's...

[00:36:55] They were in time and space.

[00:36:57] ...crashing into Call the Midwife.

[00:36:59] It can go anywhere.

[00:37:02] Next season of Picard.

[00:37:03] They basically have a TARDIS in Antsport as well.

[00:37:05] Oh, that's right, yes.

[00:37:07] Yeah, the TARDIS ship that was bigger on the inside, yeah.

[00:37:11] Next season of Picard, they run into Doctor Who.

[00:37:15] I didn't know that would be fun.

[00:37:17] The thing I always said about the TARDIS, I'm sorry.

[00:37:20] That's all right.

[00:37:21] The thing I always said about the TARDIS...

[00:37:23] I'm sorry, Jesus.

[00:37:24] Go ahead, go ahead.

[00:37:25] The thing I always said about the TARDIS

[00:37:28] is that it's what's known as a TESER Act,

[00:37:30] which is basically it's a small space

[00:37:32] but when you walk inside it, it's bigger than what's outside.

[00:37:35] I believe it.

[00:37:36] So that's...

[00:37:37] Yeah, so that's an actual thing from physics, you know,

[00:37:41] a test where you can walk like it's like a confider.

[00:37:46] Confide to when you walk in, it's bigger

[00:37:48] because space is bigger inside of it.

[00:37:50] So that's the thing I love about the TARDIS.

[00:37:54] And then not only that, but Natalie,

[00:37:56] when you talk about the Cybermen and the Daleks,

[00:38:00] the Daleks are the perfect villain.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:04] Yeah.

[00:38:05] No feelings.

[00:38:06] They're horrifying too.

[00:38:08] They're also funny.

[00:38:10] That's the thing that's scary about them.

[00:38:12] They can be ridiculously funny.

[00:38:15] They get right to business.

[00:38:17] When a scared Dalek is hysterical to me.

[00:38:23] There's a fun Troutin story where he actually introduces

[00:38:27] the human ability of questioning into their breeding.

[00:38:31] Yes.

[00:38:32] Oh, yes.

[00:38:34] I knew we were going to go down the rabbit hole.

[00:38:36] So you have Daleks going, why?

[00:38:39] I had a little thing.

[00:38:44] My son had a little parent thing that was a voice changer.

[00:38:50] I started talking to her.

[00:38:52] I was like, oh, Jesus, I can do the Daleks.

[00:38:55] So I started hitting the button.

[00:38:56] I was going, X time I need X time I need X time.

[00:38:59] He was cracking up the whole time.

[00:39:01] And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, oh my God,

[00:39:04] I can do the Daleks.

[00:39:05] And that's the thing about them.

[00:39:06] But did you guys see the one with, with tenant where they're

[00:39:09] creating the Daleks for the first time?

[00:39:12] I think he crashes into the, he crashes into like what the

[00:39:18] original arm is actually like a laser and a gun and breaks it.

[00:39:24] Yeah.

[00:39:25] And the guy, he looks at it and goes, what are we going to do?

[00:39:27] I've got a great idea.

[00:39:29] It takes a bathroom plunger sticks it on there.

[00:39:32] And then the guy who's going to be the creator of the doubts

[00:39:35] does the voice later says, what do you think?

[00:39:38] I said, I, he goes, that's, that's brilliant.

[00:39:42] That's so brilliant.

[00:39:44] You know, they have a plunger on their arm.

[00:39:48] Yeah.

[00:39:49] Of all things.

[00:39:50] You know, you can look at it and be like, oh, it's a plunger.

[00:39:54] But our imaginations go, what is it?

[00:39:57] Right.

[00:39:58] So want to know more on the Daleks though.

[00:40:00] I went into Eccleston series blind.

[00:40:03] I knew nothing about Dr.

[00:40:04] Who Matt Smith was already the doctor by this point, but it was

[00:40:08] recommended I start with Rose because I needed something to watch.

[00:40:11] So I did.

[00:40:12] And so the episode Dalek where it's chained up.

[00:40:16] Yeah.

[00:40:17] There's that amazing interface between Eccleston and the dog.

[00:40:20] I knew nothing about the history of the character.

[00:40:23] But that scene.

[00:40:25] I was like, oh, that's kind of what won me over of the whole show.

[00:40:29] And I kept going from there.

[00:40:31] Yeah.

[00:40:32] The one line that really sticks out is you would make a good

[00:40:38] Dalek.

[00:40:39] Yes.

[00:40:40] Yeah.

[00:40:41] But that's wild.

[00:40:42] I had no idea the guy doing the voice was also the guy who

[00:40:45] they're, you know,

[00:40:46] Playing the.

[00:40:48] The guy they based the persona on it is almost kind of a

[00:40:52] character kind of thing is like, why did one guy become the face?

[00:40:56] You know,

[00:40:57] who looks like.

[00:40:59] Who looks like a really like a.

[00:41:02] A version of the leader from the old incredible Hulk cartoons.

[00:41:06] He kind of is.

[00:41:07] Or I'll take it a step further.

[00:41:09] He also looked a lot like a C'monider pike from.

[00:41:12] From.

[00:41:13] Jeffery Hunter.

[00:41:15] I seen a lot with that character.

[00:41:17] What I first seen in the way he's gritting his teeth.

[00:41:21] He's like, I'm not sure what he's doing.

[00:41:23] I'm not sure what he's doing.

[00:41:24] I'm not sure what he's doing.

[00:41:26] Nice.

[00:41:27] You guys,

[00:41:28] you guys are see plan of the Daleks to make her was that was the

[00:41:31] doctor.

[00:41:32] And he does that.

[00:41:33] He does that speech. Yeah.

[00:41:35] He does that speech.

[00:41:36] Genesis of the Daleks.

[00:41:37] Yeah.

[00:41:38] My favorite episode.

[00:41:40] There's a speech choices.

[00:41:42] I can, I can, I can, he says something like,

[00:41:44] I can create destroy life just by doing this.

[00:41:47] But you know, he just, he like, he goes.

[00:41:49] He's like, I can't do it.

[00:41:50] I can't do it.

[00:41:51] I can't do it.

[00:41:52] But do I have the right?

[00:41:53] He couldn't do it.

[00:41:54] Yes.

[00:41:55] Yeah.

[00:41:56] There's so much.

[00:41:57] I mean, even though they're super insanely evil.

[00:42:00] Eradicate anything they come across.

[00:42:02] There's so much good that came out of what happened with them.

[00:42:06] All these different civilizations that rose up to fight against

[00:42:10] them.

[00:42:11] They're unsure how to play God.

[00:42:13] And we did that.

[00:42:14] Didn't Peter Capaldi's doctor have a chance to.

[00:42:17] Eliminate a child, Davros, if I remember right?

[00:42:20] Yes.

[00:42:21] Yes, he did.

[00:42:22] Yeah.

[00:42:23] And he chose not, he chose to save it.

[00:42:25] Well, and he saved him and then found out his name, right?

[00:42:27] And then.

[00:42:28] Yeah.

[00:42:29] Yeah.

[00:42:30] I think that's the fascinating thing about the Daleks and kind

[00:42:33] of Dr.

[00:42:34] Who in general is that they can be both the most,

[00:42:37] the most powerful and the most powerful.

[00:42:39] The most powerful and the most powerful and the most powerful

[00:42:42] and the most powerful.

[00:42:43] And like,

[00:42:44] but what are some of the things that they can be both the most

[00:42:47] ridiculous,

[00:42:48] hilarious stupid thing you've ever seen,

[00:42:50] but also the catalyst for some of these really deep,

[00:42:53] meaningful emotional stories.

[00:42:55] And like doctor who is all about that kind of.

[00:42:58] That weird duality that it's not like sometimes they're one

[00:43:01] and sometimes they're other.

[00:43:02] They are both at the same time.

[00:43:04] They are terrifying,

[00:43:05] but also really stupid.

[00:43:06] And it's brilliant.

[00:43:07] Yeah.

[00:43:08] The way.

[00:43:11] There's literally a moment with Sylvester McCoy where he runs up a flight of stairs

[00:43:22] and like mocks the Dalek that you can't follow him and it just levitates after him.

[00:43:26] He's terrified.

[00:43:27] Elevate.

[00:43:28] Yeah.

[00:43:29] Here's another thing about the Daleks.

[00:43:34] I never really made this a realization till discussing the Doctor Who lore with a friend

[00:43:41] some years ago.

[00:43:42] I think this is back in my teenage years, maybe early 20s, but we were discussing it and actually

[00:43:50] I think the most fear for a Dalek is probably from a very young people in the UK that remember

[00:43:59] back to the war times.

[00:44:00] The Dalek is essentially a super tank.

[00:44:03] Yeah.

[00:44:04] That's basically the way to say it.

[00:44:08] It's very cyberpunk.

[00:44:09] Kind of a little bit of steampunk I guess.

[00:44:12] Yeah, but we can talk about Daleks and Cybermen.

[00:44:17] We used to always talk about them.

[00:44:19] But there are so many other great other people like the Santarans, the Autons, the Ice Warriors.

[00:44:29] The Autons are.

[00:44:32] Those are the ones that gave me my fear of mannequins and stores for years when I was a

[00:44:36] kid.

[00:44:37] Yep.

[00:44:38] And I'll be enough.

[00:44:39] The Angels are the most terrifyingly.

[00:44:41] You know what the first Doctor Who villain was in the very first episode of the New

[00:44:47] Who?

[00:44:48] It was the Autons.

[00:44:49] The Autons, yeah.

[00:44:50] Yeah.

[00:44:51] Yeah.

[00:44:52] I almost didn't keep watching halfway through that episode though with Plastic Mickey.

[00:44:57] They almost lost me.

[00:44:59] But I stuck with it.

[00:45:01] I think that's something else that Doctor Who does really well like the Autons and the

[00:45:04] Weeping Angels is that they take something mundane and make them terrifying.

[00:45:09] Like I remember the first episode with the Weeping Angels I was completely fine with

[00:45:14] until I had to go to lectures the following day and walking through the city with all

[00:45:18] of just like the random statues around.

[00:45:21] Oh God.

[00:45:22] This is for an information.

[00:45:25] Oh God.

[00:45:26] I think the one I love.

[00:45:28] The Silence.

[00:45:29] I certainly have the modern.

[00:45:32] No relation to the other Silence.

[00:45:34] The just the sheer terror factor of like this is why you feel anxious sometimes you've forgotten

[00:45:42] the alien that's in the room.

[00:45:44] And remember Doctor Who is the only Doctor is the only person who has ever faced the

[00:45:51] Beast.

[00:45:53] Yes.

[00:45:54] The Beast is always.

[00:45:56] The Devil himself.

[00:45:57] Comes in many forms and well you want to talk about fans also kind of being contrarians I

[00:46:05] notice sometimes they'll say oh the Doctor doesn't kill people unlike there's been plenty

[00:46:09] of times where he's totally killed someone.

[00:46:11] They just don't play it because it's a family show but make no mistake about it.

[00:46:16] He'll go there if that's the only way.

[00:46:18] He's mingled out tons of things at times.

[00:46:20] But it's like Superman they'll do the whole oh Superman can't kill I'm like that

[00:46:24] doesn't mean he hasn't.

[00:46:25] But he always gives them a chance as far as the.

[00:46:27] Yeah no.

[00:46:28] He's gonna be a bigger man until there is no talking.

[00:46:31] The one with the three doctors the first one with with the heart no Trout and the

[00:46:38] Pertwee they have to fight that that.

[00:46:41] Oh my god the best oh yeah yeah and they kill him they don't they let him kill himself

[00:46:49] they don't yeah they don't you know they just like well Omega Omega Omega.

[00:46:55] Yeah yeah and I'm like so I'm like so they're just gonna let him do himself in.

[00:47:03] He could but they warned him.

[00:47:05] Yeah it's a bad idea but you're gonna do it anyway so we're gonna just sit on the side.

[00:47:10] Yeah but here's the thing that makes Doctor Who more terrifying when you really dig into

[00:47:17] it.

[00:47:18] Yeah not the fact that he can kill it's the fact he has so much knowledge and how

[00:47:23] he can really make a living hell.

[00:47:26] Yeah yeah he is clever and devious.

[00:47:32] Like that one episode where with David Tennant where they were where they had

[00:47:38] different members of the family and he treated and he gave them all their own

[00:47:42] oh yeah oh yeah that was brutal.

[00:47:45] Yeah stuck a girl in a mirror forever.

[00:47:50] Yeah I didn't see that one.

[00:47:52] Yeah that two-parter was fantastic.

[00:47:54] I completely forgot about that till you brought that up but yeah that was.

[00:47:58] And here and here's the thing too because with every doctor up until maybe Colin

[00:48:04] Baker definitely with Sylvester McCoy they would he'd always play off his really

[00:48:09] light and not really all that threatening but with Sylvester McCoy especially

[00:48:14] you got to see a little bit more of that devious mind.

[00:48:18] That dark streak that comes in through some of the episodes with McCoy is like

[00:48:23] he's like you're just sitting there like did I just see what I think I saw with him?

[00:48:27] Yes you did.

[00:48:28] Yeah I just know that didn't happen no no no no no.

[00:48:32] It's so funny because when people talk about Sylvester McCoy they always like kind of

[00:48:36] make fun of his doctor and every time I've seen like anything from his doctor

[00:48:42] I'm like that's purposely done there's a wonka vibe to this doctor.

[00:48:47] There's like yeah yeah yeah.

[00:48:49] Happy go lucky but like you can go match with this doctor.

[00:48:54] He's dark.

[00:48:55] You gotta realize at that time I think it was you know the show was starting

[00:49:04] and then you can correct me if I'm wrong but the show was starting to lose a little steam.

[00:49:08] It wasn't taken as seriously as the other episode.

[00:49:11] Yeah.

[00:49:12] The reason with that is that if you put it on opposite Coronation Street and so it lost a lot of ratings

[00:49:18] just because of the time it was in.

[00:49:20] Wow.

[00:49:21] Yeah.

[00:49:22] They put it on because of Coronation Street.

[00:49:24] Yeah.

[00:49:25] Holy shit.

[00:49:26] That's like putting you know all you know like putting like something against the world.

[00:49:31] Some random soap opera yeah.

[00:49:33] I think the showrunner at the time had an actual longer plan for a back story

[00:49:38] that was leaning towards the value.

[00:49:39] Yeah.

[00:49:40] Yeah.

[00:49:41] With with the darker side of the doctor but he just never got the chance to implement.

[00:49:44] Yeah.

[00:49:45] Yeah.

[00:49:46] I gotta screwed him.

[00:49:47] Yeah.

[00:49:48] The whole thing was at the BBC at the time the powers that be soured on Doctor Who they

[00:49:53] have the ratings were coming in so they were the people who were in charge of then

[00:49:58] were not Doctor Who fans.

[00:50:00] They were trying to figure out any way they could to screw it up and they succeeded

[00:50:06] until until until Equestrian came back and not to overlook them.

[00:50:15] Let's not go cinematic movies that is that movie.

[00:50:18] That is.

[00:50:19] To be fair if you see that movie you're going to think Aaron Roberts is a bad actor.

[00:50:24] He's not but he's really bad there but there's a lot of things I like in that

[00:50:28] movie but there's some really stupid stuff in it but I did like that version of the

[00:50:33] doctor.

[00:50:34] I know that Paul McGanne and Robert's surprised their roles in an audio drama.

[00:50:38] Yeah.

[00:50:39] Whoa.

[00:50:40] Yeah.

[00:50:41] Yeah.

[00:50:42] And Paul McGanne's contribution to the 50th anniversary.

[00:50:46] The little mini.

[00:50:48] Yeah.

[00:50:49] Night of the doctor.

[00:50:50] Night of the doctor was so well done.

[00:50:52] Yeah.

[00:50:53] That was really good.

[00:50:54] It was kind of nice they brought the movie but I don't really like how

[00:50:58] they killed him.

[00:51:00] In a hail of gunfire.

[00:51:02] Yeah.

[00:51:03] Yeah.

[00:51:04] Yeah.

[00:51:05] Hello.

[00:51:06] Yeah.

[00:51:07] We saw this.

[00:51:08] I did like his.

[00:51:10] It was worth it for his TARDIS interior though.

[00:51:13] Oh yeah.

[00:51:14] Yeah.

[00:51:15] Yeah.

[00:51:16] Yeah.

[00:51:17] It was very nice.

[00:51:18] Comes comes out comes out of TARDIS.

[00:51:20] And I want to know what's all this thing.

[00:51:24] I think the thing that gets me the most is when that movie came out a

[00:51:30] lot of us were kind of like it doesn't work that well does it.

[00:51:35] You know, it was it was kind of I know they had it here in the

[00:51:39] States on Fox.

[00:51:41] Yeah.

[00:51:42] It's on Fox.

[00:51:43] I was so forward to it going forward for a new series.

[00:51:46] I remember seeing it and watching it.

[00:51:48] 96 that was the only time I watched it.

[00:51:50] I don't remember much of anything about it except you know Eric Roberts

[00:51:55] being in it.

[00:51:56] That's about all.

[00:51:57] I remember.

[00:51:58] Subplot with the atomic clock was really fricking stupid.

[00:52:01] Yeah.

[00:52:02] It was very confusing.

[00:52:04] Pretty bizarre.

[00:52:05] I I got a lot of questions about it.

[00:52:07] I think it was pretty hard to get it out of the way.

[00:52:09] I mean,

[00:52:10] I think it was pretty hard to get it out of the way.

[00:52:12] I mean,

[00:52:13] I think it was pretty hard to get it out of the way.

[00:52:15] I mean,

[00:52:16] it's a bit of a

[00:52:37] Yeah, that's true controversy

[00:52:40] They did do a transition. That's true

[00:52:43] But I mean, I gotta say though like whenever

[00:52:47] That there's something about those actions that they've selected for these different eras and whatever you see a meter

[00:52:52] You somehow are always able to connect them to this cult show like if I see Noah Clark

[00:52:57] Prima Agamon or even Jenna Coleman and something I'm like hey

[00:53:01] That guy that gal

[00:53:03] Yeah

[00:53:05] Yeah

[00:53:09] Who had her own comedy shown she David Tennant and her get a sketch together

[00:53:14] Yes, she plays

[00:53:17] Are you the doctor? Oh you doctor?

[00:53:23] Yeah

[00:53:25] That's it

[00:53:27] My

[00:53:31] Time my my English teacher was a Scottish guy, so we had an absolute field day when that sketch came out

[00:53:42] They take the sound screwdriver just turns into like a little doll

[00:53:51] I

[00:53:52] Will tell you one of the show because I love a lot of British TV one of the shows that I would always watch on YouTube was never mind

[00:53:58] The bus cocks and there was an episode

[00:54:03] There's a Christmas episode great name where David Tennant is the host. Yes

[00:54:12] Is Catherine Tate on the other side is Bernie Kriven and it's ridiculously hysterical

[00:54:17] It's never mind the bus cocks is like a music quiz show and it's

[00:54:26] That's great I'm other way places you can find it. No, it's Catherine Tate is hysterical, but I can tell

[00:54:34] How can I say this nicely? I

[00:54:37] Don't think I don't think she's home all the time

[00:54:40] But I mean that in a really nice way. She just doesn't seem to be really she seems to be a little flighty

[00:54:45] But I love that. Yeah

[00:54:47] It's great

[00:54:51] Yeah, yeah, we're the cribbons on the other side mr. Old school

[00:54:55] You know I worked with Peter Sellers and I work, you know, I

[00:54:58] I'm still looking you know the railway children and all that stuff

[00:55:02] And he was he probably was one of the best British actors of all time

[00:55:07] You know so how many people are very invaluable that I think that's

[00:55:12] This is the problem being a sci-fi genre actor people I mean you're guys get this to people downplay you and act like oh

[00:55:19] You're limited. I'm like well, no, you're just doing really good in the corner. You're located in

[00:55:25] Yeah, his character was great. That was those also a nice twist where he was basically directly responsible for David Tennant's doctor run ending

[00:55:35] I

[00:55:38] Like show some part out of the doctor. Yeah

[00:55:42] Their conversations in that end of time episode were really really good just the two of them talking

[00:55:49] He will knock four times thing is just like that they so well

[00:55:54] Yeah, yeah, and it's devastating and I hate it

[00:55:58] Well, they at the the end of his it was run with the goodbye kiss and the salute from Wilf

[00:56:05] I mean, I still use that sending it to my wife now that

[00:56:09] Just nice. Yeah, and whenever the opportunity presents itself is the perfect one. That's when you know you you have a household of

[00:56:17] You know avid tv people. It's like everyone recognizes last night's episode

[00:56:22] What happened only regeneration that made me cry too

[00:56:26] It was very well done

[00:56:28] And it was smart that whole I don't want to go

[00:56:30] Oh, yeah, I was like, oh you son of a bitch

[00:56:34] I was like why did you make that so hard?

[00:56:37] And then they bring it back bring that back up in the 50th anniversary special

[00:56:42] We had to be at the very end david is going back to him into his chart

[00:56:46] He says you shouldn't go to trends law. I I don't want to go

[00:56:51] Yeah

[00:56:52] and then matt smith

[00:56:54] Yeah, matt smith is sitting in the museum

[00:56:56] And he's sitting there and he goes maybe I'll be a curator

[00:57:02] And you hear that booming voice of tom bager

[00:57:05] And my mom I was at my mom's house

[00:57:08] And I had it on my phone

[00:57:10] And I was playing it. I started crying

[00:57:13] And my mom goes my mom goes, where are you crying? I said, you don't understand what I'm watching right now

[00:57:19] You don't get me

[00:57:20] I'm watching

[00:57:21] Doctor who

[00:57:22] But I'm watching the guy

[00:57:25] I it's like watching john lennon come back from the dead or something like that, you know, it's like

[00:57:31] And he's going to put it. It is kind of that weird

[00:57:34] David

[00:57:36] That was a great analogy

[00:57:38] That's a great one. It's like what's the name of the picture gallivary falls no more. No

[00:57:45] Gallivary falls falls no more

[00:57:48] No more

[00:57:50] Who knows

[00:57:53] Who knows and he does the thing with his nose and then he goes, yeah, he goes oh if I were you

[00:57:58] I probably was you

[00:58:00] And I mean this is part where he says that and like matt smith's just standing there going. Yeah, you know like yeah

[00:58:05] You're the guy. You're the man, you know

[00:58:08] And then they did it where they had we trust a guy dressed up as

[00:58:13] A guy just like they did another like a sketch where it was they do that sketch

[00:58:17] It's two guys dressed up and there's two guys one guys dressed up as

[00:58:20] Heartland the other guys dressed up as another doctor and they're talking

[00:58:24] And it was it was real fun to watch but that scene when they did the 50th anniversary

[00:58:28] I was just like I was crying because I was like I just loved seeing that scene, you know

[00:58:33] I subscribe to the the fan theory that uh

[00:58:36] With the by right by generation that they just did

[00:58:40] That the curator is a future version of

[00:58:44] Now david tenon's current

[00:58:46] I like that

[00:58:50] Good uh kudos to the producers on deciding to have a lot of these specials. Yes, I'm here

[00:58:59] Can you hear me?

[00:59:01] Yeah, yeah, okay

[00:59:04] Okay, sorry. Yeah, the doctor was coming in missing with our thing but

[00:59:08] I mean

[00:59:11] Kudos to the producers for deciding to do all these various fendango events for those various specials too

[00:59:17] I think that was a good way to reach more fans

[00:59:20] Yeah, and promote the next seasons

[00:59:23] I have a question for everyone too like aside from like the doctors

[00:59:26] Who are your favorite characters that have been on like aside from doesn't have to have to it doesn't have to be like

[00:59:33] I want to get a

[00:59:36] To break a deer. Yeah, but was money

[00:59:39] Brigadier is a good one

[00:59:42] Um

[00:59:45] Yeah, he was fun and I

[00:59:47] You get additional a little of joy to it because he he is a doctor who fan

[00:59:53] So you add that into everything else. It's like that's what that's what really

[00:59:58] Stets him apart from everybody else that in fact he's freaking insane

[01:00:02] but

[01:00:03] Yes, I liked uh, I like diesel a lot and uh also

[01:00:08] lila

[01:00:10] We'll always be a fan of river song that'll be mine. I think she's a who's the one who married tom baker

[01:00:16] A lot of work. She played I love that that took one second

[01:00:23] That was romana too

[01:00:25] Yeah, so there's two romanas, right? She yep. There were two romanas. Uh, mary cam

[01:00:31] And she and uh lala ward lala ward also played a princess

[01:00:36] In the key of time. Yes. She did arc

[01:00:40] And that's what and that's why two timer when

[01:00:43] And that's basically why we're not regenerated

[01:00:47] Exactly. She could she thought that the princess looked really neat. So by the day about the boom

[01:00:52] And she just she just decided to regenerate. She's

[01:00:56] Yeah

[01:00:57] There was two there was two romanas, right? Yes. So the one there was the one that was

[01:01:02] Dressed like like, you know, she was out in the wild somewhere

[01:01:06] And then there's the one that's dressed like she's like, you know, oh no

[01:01:09] The one that was out in the wild that was lila

[01:01:12] Yeah, the we was the one that was out the one so the two ronnas, right?

[01:01:16] That would be ron a corbet and uh, ron ronnie ronna baker

[01:01:21] Um

[01:01:24] For anybody doesn't get it's a two ronnie's joke right there. Um

[01:01:31] That's good night from her and good night from her also, um

[01:01:37] So there was there was I always think there's like so I always thought that there was one that was like this

[01:01:41] And then there was the one that kind of dressed kind of like like like very pretty and everything like that

[01:01:46] I think so. Yeah

[01:01:49] Okay

[01:01:50] Because I always I always got confused about that and I never can understand why you know, he had the one because I always

[01:01:56] Let sarah jane was the one he was always going to be with

[01:01:59] And then she laughed and then they brought the other people on and I was like, oh, you know

[01:02:04] I like jamey

[01:02:06] Yeah, I like jamey too. Yeah, he was good jamey is what it was a

[01:02:11] It inspired you there was um in tomb of the cybermen which I actually have on a cd

[01:02:18] The audio version of

[01:02:20] They actually have a really good exchange with the doctor because they were talking about

[01:02:25] but um

[01:02:26] Victoria who was who was victorian and wasn't used to what she was afraid there

[01:02:32] Her dress was too short and he said don't oh, you're dressed not too short. Look at jamey

[01:02:38] And then you got jamey's going go hey, oh

[01:02:41] Hi

[01:02:43] Because jamey's wearing a kilt. Yeah

[01:02:47] I was able to go back and watch those old episodes and see that because I I do doubt that about those older companions until I watched through those

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[01:04:38] and

[01:04:39] And there's a lot of great geocities that were

[01:04:42] big

[01:04:43] uh

[01:04:44] connoisseurs fans that that they would just get together just

[01:04:48] Just think of imagine dial-up internet back in that day having to

[01:04:53] You know scan photos from old vhs tapes showing various characters and what they do

[01:04:59] I'll look at the shows never really shied away from the the tragic lives that

[01:05:04] companions end up living either

[01:05:07] I mean from from adric on you know, it's kind of

[01:05:12] Even after the doctors some of them are just lost in their lives without that excitement and

[01:05:18] They don't know what to do

[01:05:20] Well, even even starting from susan because she yes, you know, they have to separate

[01:05:25] What happened to susan?

[01:05:26] I don't remember

[01:05:27] Uh, it was in the she stays

[01:05:29] Dial-up invasion of birth

[01:05:31] Yeah, she stays she falls in love with a guy in that future earth and stays with him

[01:05:36] Okay

[01:05:37] And the doctor has this very mournful goodbye that's very famous from ushita

[01:05:43] Well, even donna like donna gets the lottery ticket, but we find out

[01:05:48] She spends like she got to give away all the money. So it's like

[01:05:53] She was going she was back to being who she was

[01:05:56] Attempt and just having her life. Yeah

[01:05:59] And donna having some of the doc some of the gallifrein dna in her the dr. Donna

[01:06:05] That really spoke my heart

[01:06:07] That was they were they worked her character really well for this new this new

[01:06:12] yeah, well in the in the um

[01:06:14] The toy maker I love that scene where he mocks the doctor for kind of justifying how he treats his companions after

[01:06:22] Yeah, yes, he's like oh well. It's all fine that

[01:06:27] It was it was very very uh

[01:06:29] You know heartbreaking because you think you make it look at you have to look at it from a different point of view

[01:06:34] Um, whether it's you know, uh, who became a cyber man?

[01:06:38] Billy

[01:06:41] Danny pink

[01:06:43] Yeah, I forgot about Danny pink. Yeah, yeah

[01:06:46] And and Amy and Rory became uh, you know, they died of old age for the guy said that

[01:06:51] I'm I'm gonna be honest. I know that people had an exclamation. I still don't get it

[01:06:56] I that was one episode. I was like

[01:06:58] He can go back in time. I don't understand

[01:07:01] It was kind of like it was so it was lost basically. Yeah

[01:07:09] Super fixed

[01:07:18] The weeping angels were blocking it somehow there was some kind of I think there was an outside interference

[01:07:24] The angels take Manhattan was a bit of a turning point of writing in my opinion for a bit

[01:07:29] Once the statue of liberty became a weeping angel like all right, I'm out for a bit

[01:07:36] Nobody saw this thing, huh? Okay

[01:07:40] I wouldn't have been able to move if they had so

[01:07:43] Everybody in new york closed their eyes all at once

[01:07:46] I know as a new yorker that whole episode. I'm like, I don't understand what's happening

[01:07:51] Like this doesn't make sense. I love it. It's not making

[01:07:56] I like what they were trying to do but I do think they could have tightened that

[01:08:01] Ending for Amy and Rory a little bit better. Yeah, I mean that's the thing too about doctor who is we can love

[01:08:07] The show and as we do

[01:08:10] We're definitely have some episodes that were like, hmm. Okay

[01:08:14] Not sure

[01:08:16] In the picture

[01:08:17] Yeah, like I I was so happy for the jody wicker doctor

[01:08:22] I was like, yes, and I was like, oh come on

[01:08:25] They make this one good because they're gonna because there's so much backlash

[01:08:29] It's true that she's gonna be great and the first episode they make the woman driver crash with artist. I was like, no

[01:08:35] This was not what to do

[01:08:38] Why why the first episode just I was excited for her because I loved her in broad church

[01:08:44] She's a great actress

[01:08:46] Yeah, venus with peter atul. Yeah, I think she was a victim of poor writing

[01:08:52] She was a victim of poor writing and she was a bad person fan

[01:08:55] That's how I kind of wasn't with capolio. She did an outstanding job with the character but uh, but yeah

[01:09:01] I thought capolio was great, but the writing wasn't for him. That's kind of what I got

[01:09:07] Yeah, season was just horrible writing for him

[01:09:11] And I was sorry you see it repeating for jody wicker

[01:09:14] Because I give it I I watched a little bit of her in broad church and thought she was fantastic

[01:09:19] I swatched her yeah, that's her doctor. I got I got three episodes in and said, you know what?

[01:09:24] I can't do it the writing just isn't there

[01:09:27] But that's what sucks too because we're kind of

[01:09:30] Like we're seeing with all these movies and shows like when they come out

[01:09:33] We don't know if they're good or not because you get so many non-controls on lines

[01:09:36] You know calling it woken everything and it's like well, is it good or bad? Just keep it simple

[01:09:41] Jesus

[01:09:44] I finally I saw the willow show and I was like, okay, so it's disappointing. It's not quite there

[01:09:50] But I had to get for all that crap before I finally made time to just sit down and watch it

[01:09:54] It's like well just a simple yes or no will suffice

[01:09:58] Well, the thing I gotta say about jody wittekers too

[01:10:01] She was the first female doctor and everybody was like going we can't have you know people were gonna want

[01:10:06] We can't

[01:10:08] I could do it. Yeah, okay

[01:10:12] And get over it and move on

[01:10:14] I mean that was the thing too

[01:10:15] I noticed is happening and not just a dr. Who fandom but in general for a lot of

[01:10:21] Of um like even star wars and everything. Yep

[01:10:24] The fan feel like they have such a pull that writers have started to be worried when other people are in charge

[01:10:31] And yet they somehow feel like they're in charge. Yeah, and then the moment they try to cater they get upset and it's like

[01:10:37] People the writers have to stop like as much as as you always as a fan want to see what you want to see

[01:10:43] I'm not as as much as I want to be a writer. I'm not a writer on any of these shows

[01:10:48] I want to see how good you do it based on what you have like, okay

[01:10:52] Do you have a plot line that maybe the fans don't want write the hell out of it?

[01:10:56] I want to see it good. So you agree with it

[01:11:00] It's still greatly done

[01:11:02] I felt like they didn't do that for jody unfortunately because I felt like they had a lot of

[01:11:08] A lot of stress on them to write as you know as they as a fan

[01:11:13] It's like they clopped her in

[01:11:20] I think I think it suffered from from you know the poor writing

[01:11:24] They were they were they were trying to make her a little bit as a mixture of matt smith and david tenet

[01:11:29] And also in too many companions

[01:11:32] Yeah

[01:11:34] And all that combined it was too. There wasn't enough room for story and character growth. Yeah

[01:11:40] Yeah, they were not too hard on like the location filming and things like that as well

[01:11:45] Yes, they did and the music was horrid

[01:11:49] They didn't allow her to have any chemistry with any of the of the of the companions because they kept them moving them around

[01:11:55] She wasn't forming any bonds her character wasn't forming bonds like

[01:11:59] The

[01:12:01] To be more focused around the companions at times other than a show about the doctor

[01:12:06] Yeah

[01:12:08] First season of capaldi that I call that claire and the doctor

[01:12:12] Oh claire

[01:12:15] Not on the top of my list of favorite companions

[01:12:22] I do

[01:12:24] For capaldi

[01:12:26] I do I do think he worked well with

[01:12:28] She did decent

[01:12:32] I think the mistake they made

[01:12:34] The mistake they made with claire as they should have kept the victorian era claire

[01:12:39] I agree. Yeah. Yeah

[01:12:41] That was she was likable. She was developed

[01:12:44] We we knew who she was and where she came from

[01:12:47] And they had good chemistry, but then then they kind of killed her again

[01:12:52] It's so weird how russel t davies, you know

[01:12:56] Had a big, you know

[01:12:59] Career he took time off and the steven moffat guy same kind of deal where it just seemed like he had done better stuff before

[01:13:06] But this just wasn't yeah despite being kind of the

[01:13:11] The protege if you will is like it just seemed like

[01:13:14] They

[01:13:15] He wasn't ready. I guess for all the stuff he had to do

[01:13:19] Yeah, I will say that what I saw of the

[01:13:23] Tenant of what tenant coming back and with um the new doctor

[01:13:27] I do see promise and see that

[01:13:29] Yes, it's gonna go in a direction that's going to bring back that resurgence of energy that we had with

[01:13:34] Tenant and with eccleson even um because eccleson brought an energy that got us ready for tenant

[01:13:41] I feel yeah, I don't know. It was what everyone wanted, but it got it got us going it got

[01:13:47] It got our attention. Yeah, and how wild

[01:13:50] The thing was

[01:13:52] When matt smith stepped out of the tortoise

[01:13:55] People were going wait what the what?

[01:13:58] Yeah, you know people kind of like

[01:14:01] I dropped off at david tenon. I think that was the last doctor. I saw and I never saw the ones that followed after

[01:14:07] Now I'll take a miss

[01:14:09] From a from a in retrospect having eccleson as

[01:14:13] As the one directly following the war doctor

[01:14:17] That was brilliant that was yeah, it was it was swing at the level we didn't see it at the time but once you saw

[01:14:25] What aim of it and why those pieces fell in place on that?

[01:14:30] Yeah, then you got when you got to see oh got a better understanding what the war doctor was was going through

[01:14:36] And what he was trying to accomplish and and the guilt he felt you could kind of see that move over

[01:14:43] And look at eccleson's performance and say

[01:14:46] That makes a lot of sense and especially in that going back to the it's also one of those few good guy roles

[01:14:53] Yeah, it's going back to the episode dollop you you got to see

[01:14:58] That anyer come out you got to see everything and you got to see exactly

[01:15:03] I mean that puts a hold puts his entire run into a whole new perspective and even when he gives the big speech

[01:15:12] Um when they're on that space station

[01:15:14] And said no because you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna rescue her i'm gonna save rose

[01:15:18] I look in the middle of the dollop fleet and then i'm going to

[01:15:22] The idea and then just to finish off i'm going to wipe every last thinking dollop out of the sky

[01:15:29] And on on that note that when you rewatch that entire season you really feel the joy in his

[01:15:36] Excitement of it during the the doctor dances when he's like just this once everybody lives

[01:15:42] And you can you can feel that in his acting

[01:15:44] He does get when handling the serious and then going into the comedy and just kind of looking at everyone

[01:15:50] straight face like uh

[01:15:52] Which little kid at a gas mask we did not cover on terrifying villains

[01:15:56] Oh, yes

[01:15:58] Are you my mommy?

[01:16:00] There are some creepy kids on this

[01:16:02] Me

[01:16:04] How many creepy

[01:16:08] I wanted to do that for kamikaze get and i cannot find those masks anywhere

[01:16:14] Yeah, how many people you think i want one of those masks so i can just

[01:16:17] Such an easy car

[01:16:20] She can find one of the like an army surplus store. Oh

[01:16:24] Yeah, I just know it you know

[01:16:28] How many kid villains have we had on this show i think there's been about a dozen i think by now

[01:16:33] Um, what's he a villain?

[01:16:36] The family blood was when we mentioned earlier. Oh, it's true. Yeah, there was also um, what was his name?

[01:16:44] It was oh, I I can see him in my head. Was that bachyburg type kid

[01:16:52] Not really a villain, but it definitely calls

[01:16:56] The one who the one was who was secretly trying to kill the doctor

[01:17:01] turlo

[01:17:04] Oh, yeah, turlo

[01:17:06] Yeah, he was uh, yeah, he was at the assassin companion guy. Yes, it was. Okay. He ends up becoming a companion though

[01:17:15] Eventually man, yeah

[01:17:19] Digging back into there and um, I will say this for

[01:17:23] Um, I my least favorite companion

[01:17:26] That Clara for

[01:17:28] For various reasons

[01:17:30] But I do want to give a little bit of love to adric

[01:17:33] The he was annoying as hell

[01:17:36] But the way he he went off the show in earth shock

[01:17:40] Yeah that

[01:17:42] You could tell the dinosaurs

[01:17:46] Was what's the dinosaur she created

[01:17:48] Oh, yeah, you did that's right. But the point is but the way they affected the doctor and the companions after that

[01:17:55] That that made up for a lot of ill will I had for

[01:18:00] For the character rest in peace Andrew sex

[01:18:05] I forgot he was on uh, he was the spanish waiter manual on multi towers. That's right

[01:18:12] So he's played all kinds of goofy characters. Yeah, but

[01:18:18] You know for him that I mean that's the thing when when the doctor loses a companion

[01:18:23] Like that, you know, you can tell he's just like it's it's a shaking thing that sets him off, you know

[01:18:30] But I I was talking about this a little earlier for the first four

[01:18:36] Um the personality that I kind of developed it as

[01:18:40] was

[01:18:42] Art no was the

[01:18:44] Professor right?

[01:18:47] and the grandfather

[01:18:49] Troutin was the charlie chaplain clout charlie chaplain clown

[01:18:54] Okay

[01:18:58] Pertney was the the 60s dandy

[01:19:03] If you look at him, you know, it's that's what he was. He was adam west bet man. That's what the

[01:19:09] Is

[01:19:11] Yeah, yeah

[01:19:14] Then you get to tom tom baker

[01:19:17] Who's the the bohemian?

[01:19:20] Care, you know carefree spirit

[01:19:22] You know, he does, you know, he has to do things to save the universe

[01:19:26] You know, you know, you would be playing a gun put up in his face to be like would you like a jillie baby?

[01:19:32] You know

[01:19:34] Just be like that have that carefree spirit about him. But the thing I love is a great lines too

[01:19:40] Oh

[01:19:42] Yeah, it's something that's very violent

[01:19:45] The charlie old chap taught me that

[01:19:48] What do I tell us is deep?

[01:19:51] And the thing the thing that got me was

[01:19:54] I don't know if you guys notice the reason why there's been a couple reasons why hartnell left

[01:20:00] One was that his his memory was failing

[01:20:04] That he was getting too old for the part

[01:20:08] Um, if you watch the three doctors

[01:20:11] His episode was his his his thing was filmed separate because he was in really bad health

[01:20:19] At the time. Yeah, I think he passed out too long after that

[01:20:22] Passed a couple years after that. I think he passed like

[01:20:26] Three or four years after that and they had another guy for the five

[01:20:30] Yeah

[01:20:31] When they did the five doctors they got somebody else to sit in for them

[01:20:36] And

[01:20:37] That's the one that always gets me because

[01:20:40] Baker didn't want to do the five doctors

[01:20:43] It was all

[01:20:44] B footage from another episode

[01:20:47] It's actually for shodda. Yeah

[01:20:50] and

[01:20:52] You know, it's it's it's you know, it's kind of like

[01:20:56] The the last balfour per we and

[01:20:59] Uh trout and

[01:21:02] Trout and appeared in two doctors with with collin baker too. Yes. Yes. Yes

[01:21:07] Yeah, I think he died a couple like maybe about

[01:21:12] A year or so after that I don't remember

[01:21:15] Um, wasn't it either one that passed after a comic-con

[01:21:20] President visit

[01:21:23] No, I think that was per week. Oh, that might have been per wheel per week per we had just done a

[01:21:29] That was that was a

[01:21:31] Trout and who died?

[01:21:33] He died in a hotel

[01:21:34] After after a it wasn't comic-con, but it was a convention. Yeah, this is some sort of a convention

[01:21:42] And what I remember is per we had a book that I'm trying to look for

[01:21:45] called

[01:21:46] Moon boots and dinner suits

[01:21:50] Oh

[01:21:52] And

[01:21:55] He always seemed like a very

[01:21:57] Nice guy to talk to

[01:22:00] Um, I think was probably the same way too

[01:22:04] Yeah, but I was like when they were filming the two doctors that

[01:22:08] They've they initially didn't get along with each other

[01:22:12] Because of you know what had happened

[01:22:15] When one was brought in to take over the other's role

[01:22:18] And uh

[01:22:23] Somebody dropped out. Oh, it's David gives him an issue

[01:22:27] Dr. Who keeps giving him in and out

[01:22:30] I've read that that they didn't get along on set for the two. They're three doctors

[01:22:34] And then they then they got then they started to get along with each other

[01:22:38] And that's the thing there's this camaraderie of the doctors

[01:22:42] that

[01:22:43] You know, it's a club you belong to if you're a doctor who and you played the doctor

[01:22:48] That's the thing you've had for a long time. I remember watching I follow uh,

[01:22:54] Celeste McCoy on on facebook

[01:22:57] Yes, and he still comes in dressed as the doctor

[01:23:00] You know, even though he's over 80

[01:23:03] You know

[01:23:04] That's his thing and that's cool

[01:23:07] And I hate to say but tom baker. I don't know how much longer he's got with us

[01:23:12] But uh, did you uh, did you see the five ish doctors?

[01:23:16] The what the five ish doctors which was um,

[01:23:20] Uh, uh, shit. It was at the at the time of the 50th anniversary special

[01:23:25] And yeah, the uh, you know, column baker, celeste McCoy, pierre davidson, palm again

[01:23:30] They couldn't be in

[01:23:31] The 50th anniversary so they had this this almost comedy skit where they were

[01:23:37] Running around london and uh ended up being in the museum under sheets at

[01:23:43] Oh

[01:23:45] It's hilarious

[01:23:47] I think it I think it was actually directed by pierre davidson, but don't quote me on that

[01:23:51] But it was it was hilarious to call the five ish doctors

[01:23:55] And and you you see that camaraderie that you're talking about where those old guys are just

[01:24:00] embracing and loving the the small

[01:24:03] The small exclusive club that they're in

[01:24:06] And the the thing I hate to say is tom baker, I don't know how much longer he's got

[01:24:14] But yeah, there's a picture of him not too long ago, but he was sitting and

[01:24:17] He's he looks frail, but you can tell the hell he's got that twinkle in his eye yet

[01:24:22] He's got the yeah, like you said the twinkle on his eye, but you can tell he is very frail

[01:24:27] When he goes he's gonna be no, you know that to us is going to be like losing like

[01:24:32] You know a captain kerker, you know when shattered goes or

[01:24:37] When Christopher Reed died as a superman, you know

[01:24:42] He's an icon to our generation from

[01:24:45] When we watched it on pbs

[01:24:48] so

[01:24:49] you know

[01:24:50] It's gonna be kind of like

[01:24:53] You know losing it losing, you know losing

[01:24:58] A genre icon. Yeah

[01:25:00] You're losing a friend. Yeah, the only way that's the only way you can really put it

[01:25:04] You're going to be losing a friend. I think he just I think he still held the doctor for the longest time too

[01:25:10] Yeah

[01:25:13] Eight years seven years eight years. I thought it was seven seven or eight. I don't remember I think was

[01:25:20] He finished

[01:25:22] We finished in 81

[01:25:24] All right

[01:25:27] There's some there's some great stories out of his time frame too

[01:25:31] Yep

[01:25:33] His second story is one of my favorites for sure the arkid space

[01:25:38] Yeah, so what did this all close out to the group? What is your favorite episode?

[01:25:45] Of all

[01:25:47] That's on

[01:25:50] I'll let you guys narrow it down since you've seen

[01:25:52] How I actually have one in mind so I will I will go first

[01:25:56] I I think jenesis of the dollyx is the quintessential doctor whose story. Yeah

[01:26:03] And it it is one of my choices. So much going forward and backwards

[01:26:09] the

[01:26:12] There's the only one that I think it's even come close as far as geek

[01:26:16] My geeking out was the one where the were a cyberman and the dollyx were fighting on earth

[01:26:23] Yep

[01:26:23] With a classic line that you are better at one thing

[01:26:27] You are better dying

[01:26:29] That was great. Yeah

[01:26:32] We preferred your dad

[01:26:36] Man, I liked I liked that was my favorite one too. Tom the uh the dollyx one because it's uh

[01:26:44] This is the first time they all run together for me. Is that tom baker?

[01:26:51] Yeah

[01:26:56] Yeah, good point the critical phase of the dollyx development

[01:27:02] And you get to meet the guy who created the dollyx davros

[01:27:07] Davros is like just like a off hitler, you know, yeah, that's exactly what they were going with

[01:27:12] That that was actually the industry they were trying to create

[01:27:16] Yeah, dollyx to me have always been space nazis

[01:27:19] They kind of are

[01:27:22] I will always say one of it's a toss up between um empty child. So yeah, oh you my mommy is definitely

[01:27:30] up there

[01:27:32] and uh

[01:27:33] I think the silence in the library though when we meet river song

[01:27:38] That's a good one. The library is probably my favorite is out of the tenants run

[01:27:43] Yeah, that it's a great good shoe parter. Yeah

[01:27:47] And and seeing kathryn take like just

[01:27:51] You know actually like she was she's of course, it's always really funny

[01:27:54] But even you know towards the end when she realizes that

[01:27:58] You know, she it wasn't real

[01:28:01] Seeing her play devastated was really yes

[01:28:04] Devastated I think that's why these actors love this show is it brings them out of their comfort zone on occasion

[01:28:11] exactly

[01:28:13] well in

[01:28:14] uh

[01:28:15] As far as for for mine, there's a

[01:28:19] Heaven sent in the TARDIS or the the doctor's girlfriend or doctor's wife where the TARDIS is a woman

[01:28:25] Yeah, really really good to me. But I I need to say the waters of mars

[01:28:30] Oh

[01:28:33] So phenomenal story

[01:28:35] David tennant going full, you know time lord victorias his

[01:28:39] In saying, you know screw the laws of the universe. I do what I want. I I loved it

[01:28:44] and then it and then it turns out that

[01:28:47] I I spoil over if you haven't watched this episode

[01:28:50] but

[01:28:51] It turns out that

[01:28:52] by he defied the rules and yet things happen the way they

[01:28:57] Happened originally the the crew all wound up dead of one thing or another

[01:29:02] Yep, yeah, it and the fact that was called bowie base one. That's awesome

[01:29:16] They were also really creepy villains in that one just though the uh the zombie water

[01:29:21] Oh, they were so creepy

[01:29:23] I really think any of the episodes that dealt with bars were always good because you had the ice warriors there

[01:29:30] Uh pure amounts of bars was a pretty good story

[01:29:35] Yeah, it's pretty active planet. What was the one with the giant bugs?

[01:29:40] Oh

[01:29:44] Ark and space always kind of gave me the willies because you know

[01:29:48] It's bugs and I I hate you know

[01:29:51] I just hate bugs

[01:29:54] Then you definitely do that you definitely don't want to see planet of giant

[01:29:59] Oh

[01:30:01] With trout or like there's the moth people and the

[01:30:04] Nope, it was it was um

[01:30:07] You know, it's the uh

[01:30:09] Some great intelligence, isn't it?

[01:30:11] No, it was one with william hartnell and the original

[01:30:15] Companions somebody opened the door to the TARDIS and they wound up back on earth, but they were majorized

[01:30:21] Oh

[01:30:23] The dimensional control or something

[01:30:26] Yeah, they have dimensions

[01:30:28] Probably something to do with the fluid links again

[01:30:35] Wasn't there something during Donna's time where she had a bug on her back?

[01:30:39] Yeah, that's

[01:30:41] Turn left. That's it turn left. Yeah, that's what it was

[01:30:45] Dr. Light episode

[01:30:47] Vincent and the doctor was also a good one

[01:30:50] Yes

[01:30:52] I cried so much in that episode bill nye is amazing too. I love that he was

[01:30:58] That speech in the art gallery

[01:31:00] Oh god, I still cry when I hear it

[01:31:03] Yeah

[01:31:05] Well the guy that played vince and van goh was was spot on

[01:31:09] Yeah, uh, I can't think of his name

[01:31:12] Oh

[01:31:14] He's worthy of mentioning his name tony curd that's the name

[01:31:18] Ah

[01:31:21] The art uh critic and saying you know

[01:31:25] You know everything and van goh's just looking at all his paintings going like he chops the scenery whatever he's in

[01:31:31] I know he just looks he's like I did all of this and people are looking at my paintings and

[01:31:36] They're still remembering me like, you know, I'm gone and you know

[01:31:43] And the most devastating part is that it doesn't affect his fate at all. He still kills himself

[01:31:48] And like like that's what sticks with you. I think

[01:31:51] But that's the thing about that episode because I talked about this with the front too about that

[01:31:56] It's just because we were we were doing she had her own podcast podcast

[01:32:00] We talked about mental health in

[01:32:02] Intellivision like how it's portrayed and that was it with that one. It's that

[01:32:07] Mental health issues you can see the future and you can see the positive. It's not going to change if there's an issue

[01:32:14] You know when you feel the lack of control and

[01:32:19] Your purpose, yeah, you know and you realize the reality during the time of van goh mental health aids that we have now did not exist

[01:32:26] So, you know, you realize that that it wasn't going to change anything because it wasn't about

[01:32:31] Whether he thought he was good or not. It was about mental health is just

[01:32:35] A chemical and balancing your brain that you can't really control. It's a sickness

[01:32:39] So

[01:32:42] Wow, and that was something else too that I I thought about

[01:32:46] When it comes to Colin Baker's run as a sixth doctor

[01:32:49] I

[01:32:52] I this is my personal viewpoint, but I think that was a doctor who best

[01:32:58] exemplified somebody with with power but also with

[01:33:03] With mental health issues, you know what? Yeah. Yes

[01:33:07] I agree with that too

[01:33:09] He's trying to kill his companion at the moment one

[01:33:13] Yeah, it was a with the time of the run

[01:33:18] Who's even met with Smith's doctor

[01:33:20] That was very good trying to kill from that

[01:33:24] Always some murder going on

[01:33:31] You see you're telling I'm sorry

[01:33:37] But if you see his doctor when he first he first appears

[01:33:41] He's not worrisome about, you know, he's like, well, he's like, oh god

[01:33:44] He's basically looking in the mirror preening himself

[01:33:48] Yeah, exactly that classic narcissist

[01:33:51] The narcissist. I'm like going

[01:33:53] We the the doctor

[01:33:56] every time he's regenerated

[01:33:58] Has looked at himself and go. Oh god. I look like this now

[01:34:02] And then this guy's going. Oh, I look great. I look pretty. I'm like

[01:34:05] Oh boy, it's narcissistic

[01:34:08] Is it saying change for the better?

[01:34:10] Not a moment too soon

[01:34:12] I think that kind of changed with tenants because it was more like acceptance like okay new teeth

[01:34:18] I don't like the conclusion, but I'm gonna still stand on the side here because

[01:34:22] I don't want to be a god who has powers

[01:34:29] The size of his head like calling it out like I thought that was brilliant

[01:34:33] Yeah

[01:34:36] Yeah, but even Matt Smith

[01:34:37] I mean, I think all the doctors have have manifested some form of acknowledging of mental health issues

[01:34:43] But I think Matt Smith's too would had some that were prominent like in terms of like his self awareness and self worth

[01:34:51] Yeah, you could see that definitely in day of the doctor with both Matt Smith and David Tennant because they you could tell they had survivors guilt

[01:34:58] Yes

[01:34:59] And with Eccleson it was it wasn't it was a combination of guilt but also anger

[01:35:05] Yeah, he was forced into a bad situation and he did not have an idea to

[01:35:10] An idea of how to fix it. I mean if you really think about doctor who is not a warrior

[01:35:15] They talk

[01:35:17] Are you are you a are you hero or a coward a coward every time?

[01:35:22] And the thing is

[01:35:25] That's exactly what he is. He's he's he has a sonic screwdriver. He doesn't have weaponry. He is the weapon

[01:35:33] But he is also somebody who tries to fix things. He's so somebody who is

[01:35:38] Constantly on guard for things that could ruin a life even when it's with with humanity

[01:35:44] When humanity goes off on a bad turn you could tell that

[01:35:49] That he's gonna step in and say, you know, you're doing this wrong

[01:35:52] the one one that comes to mind from new who is the one with Harriet Jones and

[01:35:58] Tennant knows she's gonna do something bad. He says, don't you think she looks a little tired?

[01:36:05] I mean he's a survivor

[01:36:09] Yes, he's a survivor of trauma. So he's he's going around everywhere and he's like

[01:36:14] I'm going to tell you how I survived and this is how I survive

[01:36:19] So you guys need to survive. That's pretty much his whole thing

[01:36:24] I'm not a warrior, but I'm gonna tell you I that you need to survive

[01:36:29] Yes, the greatest thing about doctor who is that his brain is the ultimate weapon

[01:36:34] Yeah, exactly. He actually gets collected and thanks instead of just

[01:36:39] I'm smarter than everyone else and I'm gonna use my knowledge to downplay you and own you

[01:36:44] It's not the point

[01:36:45] But but do you tell with the Eccleson all the way up through

[01:36:50] Capaldi

[01:36:50] that

[01:36:51] There's still that element of a blast that's still that still I feel like survivors go get put you

[01:36:58] Looking at all of them up until capaldi speech about war with the with the zygons

[01:37:03] that

[01:37:05] That one speech

[01:37:07] It got it lost me a friend once but it also

[01:37:11] really solidified

[01:37:14] What makes the doctor so?

[01:37:16] Brilliant in that moment. He talked about I've been in a bigger war than you will ever know

[01:37:21] And and he talks about how he deals with it. And I think at that point

[01:37:26] The doctor has a breakthrough. Yeah, he says I agree

[01:37:32] And in that breakthrough it it is caparsis

[01:37:36] So that it sets up for the jody

[01:37:39] Whitaker one

[01:37:43] To all the stuff that's happening in the room instead of no, we're doing my way or no

[01:37:47] We're doing this and that he's always just trying to

[01:37:50] Come up with a solution instead of just be

[01:37:53] Play detective and stuff like that. He's yeah, he's a scientist in a way, but yeah

[01:38:00] Hence the and that again is a credit

[01:38:02] That is such a credit to capaldi because I mean a lot of people

[01:38:06] Would shit on capaldi, but I think he was great. It was just material here. He was given

[01:38:11] But I think he was necessary in the same thing as james bond where you know

[01:38:16] Necessary in the timeline in the time frame for that version of the doctor to exist

[01:38:22] And like he does take his break if you're at the end of it. He goes on

[01:38:26] He he takes uh, he spends a day or a night in in early and with a river song, which is how many years

[01:38:34] You know like he takes his break. He realizes okay

[01:38:38] You know his his episode of heaven sent where he's just by himself in that

[01:38:42] repeated maze is

[01:38:44] A tour de force of acting and character development, you know, it's it's where he's breaking

[01:38:50] The hands wrapping around his face aside that that was kind of weird

[01:38:54] But just what he does in that episode

[01:38:57] In the cycles is amazing

[01:39:00] Exactly and it also builds on something from the 50th anniversary

[01:39:05] I found that they were talking about how do we how do we do this? How do we protect gallipere?

[01:39:11] And you hear you hear the doctor say well, I've been thinking about this for a very long time

[01:39:16] And you realize that oh my god. This is

[01:39:20] This is something that

[01:39:23] That literally he can take any point in time

[01:39:27] And just build on it and build on it until he comes up with the strategy

[01:39:31] And you realize he truly is a master of time and space

[01:39:37] Yeah, so I mean it to him

[01:39:39] A minute to us would be could be century millennia for him

[01:39:43] Yeah, and he will have the time to think of anything he in that episode. He became batman

[01:39:49] Batman with

[01:39:54] Damn it Batman

[01:39:59] And even with the new tenant like now that he's he it's it wasn't a

[01:40:04] Regeneration

[01:40:06] He now has his time, you know and see there's another example

[01:40:10] It's not the same kind but people aren't complaining about that. They're just complaining about others. It's like come on

[01:40:15] But like the thing is there's so many benefits to it that people are just like no, no, no, it's like

[01:40:22] I'm not the biggest fan. I'm waiting to see how it plays out. I hope I'm cautiously optimistic

[01:40:28] because I don't like having two doctors of live and operating but

[01:40:34] It I gotta wait and see how it plays out. I've got a writer. So

[01:40:38] Do you know why I think they did that though?

[01:40:41] Because if you any single time they've had a doctor

[01:40:46] After tenant

[01:40:48] They the fans usually go we miss tenant

[01:40:52] Yeah, they're like

[01:40:55] If ever I don't think they're gonna have that much of a problem with the new one but

[01:41:00] No, I think they know that with tenant they could say hey do you want to come back?

[01:41:04] And I would I would hate to think he's there as a backup

[01:41:07] I

[01:41:10] Hope I hope Davies has a plan. I hope that in his mind already has a plan for and it's not just they're waiting in the wings

[01:41:18] What?

[01:41:21] Because like

[01:41:22] The the problem with dr. Who is that his journey never ends?

[01:41:25] So he's the ultimate hero who never gets a happily ever after so we've split off

[01:41:30] David tenon to have a happily ever after exactly like the 15 before him

[01:41:34] And then he's still around to like come back for two doctor stuff, which i'm sure they will at some point

[01:41:39] But I don't think I don't think he's a backup in terms of like

[01:41:43] No, just in case people don't know

[01:41:47] I'm expecting some sort of of he comes back but

[01:41:51] He's aging and

[01:41:53] He's going I mean, yeah, there is there is the theory that he'll become the curator or whatever sure

[01:41:58] I like that but uh as the as

[01:42:02] Shutee and and the 15th doctor moves on

[01:42:05] If he does if tenon does come back for a story

[01:42:08] He will obviously have aged and I they will likely write in well. He's

[01:42:14] I'm not say human but

[01:42:17] Not immortal

[01:42:18] I think I think there is an element like because because the doctor

[01:42:23] Kind of has some sort of like semi-good like stuff

[01:42:25] I think like David's essentially

[01:42:27] Used can choose to grow old if he wants to like I feel like that's the thing they can break the rules

[01:42:33] wherever they see it as long as back on us

[01:42:36] Matt smith's run. He was super freaking old there at the end. Yeah. Yeah

[01:42:41] So so was David tenon when the revisiting so many

[01:42:46] Trokes, I

[01:42:48] Would love it if they just come on with an episode where the doctor finds david tenon and and um

[01:42:54] And uh john barrowman just in their age

[01:42:59] White now I was just like that they both have just started aging because you know

[01:43:03] happened japanese either

[01:43:05] So like I think you know, I would love for it to just be like both of them

[01:43:10] Just just kept jack's head. Yeah the face of the face of

[01:43:16] You know, I can I see I can see the scene in my head and I take it from an episode of the 18

[01:43:22] there's episode where

[01:43:23] There's silent walking by dirk van adic. He gives us he points like

[01:43:32] I'm kind of very meta thing that

[01:43:37] You guys were getting something when you talk about actors who were on the show

[01:43:41] Derek jackabee was on the show. Yeah. Yep all kinds of other harry potter actors

[01:43:47] No, no, no, you know, he was as the master. Yeah

[01:43:50] Yeah

[01:43:51] And that was I mentioned earlier that I kind of came into that season or came into the new who blind

[01:43:57] I knew nothing of the master dollyx nothing so

[01:44:00] When that whole

[01:44:01] Professor whatever his name was and then the clock and then changed into the master's like, oh, this is really cool

[01:44:07] Let's go. What the hell's going on?

[01:44:09] They set up how the pocket watch worked in an earlier episode in such exactly

[01:44:14] Yeah, like like that was a great reveal

[01:44:18] That's the rtd magic. I think like seeding things through like the

[01:44:22] The posters in the background for votes accent or like the the bad wolf like i'm really looking forward to seeing what the

[01:44:29] the new

[01:44:30] Thing to watch out for in in the 15s era is because like he he's so good at like oh

[01:44:36] Like rewarding you for paying attention

[01:44:38] Yeah, I loved how they revealed the master in the new series

[01:44:43] It was that was just great

[01:44:45] Yeah

[01:44:46] I don't think there's a bad master to be honest

[01:44:49] Like

[01:44:52] I didn't like the uh, well, yeah

[01:44:55] It was not the best performance weird regenerated one that was uh got to baker

[01:45:02] In as uh, basically uh, uh played his hand. So baker had to become president of the time lords

[01:45:09] Was that was that the one where he was on his last regeneration and was sort of like full on

[01:45:13] Yes

[01:45:16] I I really liked that conceptually, but

[01:45:20] I do like whenever he becomes president of galafrey he runs away

[01:45:27] Nobody's ever here top roger delgado. I'm sorry, but

[01:45:30] Roger delgado had that that that

[01:45:34] That

[01:45:35] Feeling of you know, yeah, i'm a villain and you're gonna like me no matter what

[01:45:40] You're gonna love me

[01:45:43] God's a villain. It was just very you're gonna take me down

[01:45:48] John sims a known actor before he took like it overseas he'd done life on maz and stuff before that

[01:45:54] Yeah

[01:45:57] Some of the same writers about we're on here. Yeah, yeah

[01:46:00] I was gonna say the john sins master comes in closest to roger delgado

[01:46:05] Just yeah, but yes, it is a sublime performance

[01:46:10] You could tell he's evil, but there's also the element of crazy that you didn't have with some of the other ones

[01:46:16] They love late lunatics

[01:46:19] I mean that's kind of a referendum. You gotta have

[01:46:23] Be very crazy if you're gonna be a villain on this job. I was like where the master breaks out the matter compression re

[01:46:30] Yeah

[01:46:33] I did enjoy the um

[01:46:36] the

[01:46:36] Sort of 13th version of the master purely for

[01:46:40] Choosing his temporal hiding place so that he could have a bony m song in his big reveal

[01:46:54] And one thing I thought was a was a lost opportunity with capaldi doctor

[01:46:59] was

[01:47:00] He could have he could have had a much younger person

[01:47:04] Play the doc and play the master and then play off the young old

[01:47:10] A lot a lot more that would have been interesting. Yeah, I do like missy like

[01:47:16] Yeah, missy master

[01:47:18] Missy is fantastic. Missy had an actual story arc as the master

[01:47:22] Which was nice to see as yet. She kind of broke her down to realize

[01:47:28] Not not the I don't say she she didn't like go full

[01:47:32] Good, but she realized

[01:47:35] she's uh

[01:47:36] Not good, I guess

[01:47:42] Maybe I did some bad things you're probably right. I got a different purpose here

[01:47:46] I did love having the two masters as well. I really want like a like a five masters

[01:47:51] thing

[01:47:54] That would be brilliant. There's still time

[01:47:57] Oh, yeah, exactly you can pull Jonathan price and don't worry. He'll do it. Oh man

[01:48:03] Sold sold

[01:48:06] That's a thing too. You get a lot of people from game of thrones on my talk. Yeah. Oh, yeah

[01:48:11] It was Charles dance around here

[01:48:14] Yeah, I think he was I I know

[01:48:17] Macy was mazy willing to guess

[01:48:21] Charles dance would be a great villain on on dr

[01:48:24] I I I'm just bringing him up because I I just got done watching paramounts rabbit hole great show by the way and

[01:48:33] Keep us on a limb thing. Yes, uh

[01:48:35] The it's pretty much person of interest on

[01:48:38] acid

[01:48:38] It's going at a lightning fast speed and tying in all these guys who might be related to hacking elections like poodin

[01:48:44] but

[01:48:45] Yeah, no, I

[01:48:46] I I could definitely see him doing what he's doing on that show kind of being

[01:48:51] If he were to come in I could see him as either a master or a

[01:48:54] Who portrayal and he would just be very very more subtle than we're used to seeing them kind of bringing bringing him back

[01:49:00] Is the value of it be cool?

[01:49:05] I hope they have some good villains because the personally that the goblin king was a bit of a letdown after the toy maker

[01:49:13] It made my opinion it did kind of go on a little long, but yeah

[01:49:18] Yeah, um

[01:49:19] The port I think with the with the by generation

[01:49:22] You have the possibility of having five doctors and I have an idea in mind going back to game of thrones

[01:49:28] Have sean bean be the master for the first 10 minutes. Well, then he has to die

[01:49:39] I did not watch I admittedly off topic did not watch the second seat the second or third

[01:49:45] See the game of thrones up because I was too pissed off at the first

[01:49:50] I can't I can't do this. No more don't do it

[01:49:53] Well, that's the thing always that's the joke I make about sean bean. He goes to a script reading. He's like

[01:49:57] Wait, I die after page five. What happened? Do I have

[01:50:01] Be quiet and get your check, you know the funny thing is I think that um,

[01:50:06] Sean bean doesn't actually have the record for the most deaths. I think it's john hurt

[01:50:10] I thought it was Danny

[01:50:15] I know the problem is John hurt is that you'll see he can he'd you regenerate still exactly. Oh, there you go

[01:50:21] So I still think it's Kenny from south park. What do I know?

[01:50:25] Maybe it's rory

[01:50:27] Oh, we're going by actors not fictional characters. Well

[01:50:31] I can't remember the name of the many times as the doctor technically

[01:50:35] I mean, I mean his choir died

[01:50:38] You're right. The doctor's kind of semi died. Yeah times. So yeah

[01:50:45] It all comes around picture Andrew sacks dying as a companion of the doctor than john cleese coming in and hanging up upside the head

[01:50:54] I saw that he did like a voice for one of the restored season four episodes. Yeah, yeah

[01:51:03] Well, I think we've said most of what we wanted to say

[01:51:07] But this was kind of fun to just kind of reflect on an ever-evolving franchise that

[01:51:13] I knew what it wanted to be from the ground up

[01:51:17] I'll throw in a I want to throw in a plug too. Um, there's a

[01:51:21] There's a movie about

[01:51:23] About how doctor who came into being called an adventure in space and time. Oh, that was very well done

[01:51:30] Yeah, I think you came with thrones actors in that was so good

[01:51:33] And I think david bradley

[01:51:35] plays

[01:51:37] Hartnell in this and then it's yeah, yeah, and then he jumped over into and became the heart no character in the main series too

[01:51:45] Yeah, yep. It was really neat to see the origin of the whole whole whole thing with that movie

[01:51:51] Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, I love they did that

[01:51:58] There was I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, go ahead james

[01:52:01] Um, the thing that gets me the most is

[01:52:04] When we were kids growing up, um, there was doctor who?

[01:52:08] And that was the biggie for us, you know, and then

[01:52:13] What if you had nickalodian you had the tomorrow people? Oh

[01:52:18] And

[01:52:20] There was blake seven which I really couldn't get into that much

[01:52:24] But to us to us kids who were

[01:52:26] You know more into sci-fi

[01:52:29] And more into see doctor who is going to be the one that is

[01:52:34] On the you know on the throne

[01:52:38] uh

[01:52:40] You know

[01:52:41] For when you know for when we get older, you know, uh

[01:52:46] There's some shows come and fall by the wayside

[01:52:49] And doctor who is always going to be the one that stays there, you know

[01:52:53] Yeah

[01:52:54] There's they're always going to make

[01:52:56] Way for their schedule the minute it's out into the roster

[01:53:00] Yeah, and even even after the series goes off the air

[01:53:03] Finally, um, there will still be I don't know man

[01:53:06] Generating it's gonna last five centuries

[01:53:09] Here's the thing though

[01:53:10] They I what I'm saying is that even after it goes off the air

[01:53:13] There's still going to be people who are going to be coming up with their own stories writing stuff for the doctors that have already been

[01:53:18] Writing stuff for doctors have yet to be and I mean, that's how

[01:53:23] That's how Paul McGahn

[01:53:25] really

[01:53:26] Really became

[01:53:28] Beloved as the eighth doctor you I like the movie but I love him in his

[01:53:34] Other little adventures. He did work great. Yes, I can hide the recommend one called neverland

[01:53:40] There you go

[01:53:40] Freaking brilliant because it also has tall award as well mama as we said before every character you can pretty much redeem

[01:53:47] Unless their name is scrappy do

[01:53:52] I just uh

[01:53:53] I wanted to bring up something because earlier in the discussion when you were talking about how the borg

[01:53:59] Or inspired by

[01:54:02] Yeah, yeah, it made me think about other things like I watched recently an old star trek episode

[01:54:08] That looked like it was going to be a spin-off for a tv series and it was um gary seven

[01:54:13] Yeah

[01:54:15] Backdoor pilot. Yeah

[01:54:17] And I didn't know at the time till 10 years ago

[01:54:19] How far dr. Who went and it's very easy now to see that gary seven could have been very much inspired by dr

[01:54:26] Oh, absolutely. Yeah

[01:54:29] He even has a pen. It's kind of like the doctor's sonic screwdriver. He's got terry gar who's his uh companion

[01:54:37] So to speak and the cat isis

[01:54:40] Yep, and and then he's got his little smoke machine that he can go and transport and do all kinds of things with

[01:54:46] That's kind of like his TARDIS in a way

[01:54:48] Yeah

[01:54:50] totally is

[01:54:52] And then there's also the doctor from voyager who never took a name. I think dr. Who's why he never took a name

[01:54:57] Yeah, yeah

[01:54:59] I feel like dr. Who inspired so much sci-fi

[01:55:03] Because even like red dwarf and all that I felt like that was they took a lot from dr. Who

[01:55:10] Yeah

[01:55:12] And it's amazing that it started out as a children's show and they've become this juggernaut

[01:55:18] That people

[01:55:20] Well after we're gone

[01:55:22] Well generation will say have you seen this? This is so cool

[01:55:27] Yeah, yeah, and and you gotta think too

[01:55:31] Matt Lucas and uh, what's his name the other guy?

[01:55:34] David little brit what?

[01:55:36] David walliams

[01:55:37] David williams who they get to voice little britton tom baker

[01:55:45] Britain Britain Britain

[01:55:48] Here here is seven here is

[01:55:50] 11 o'clock in the morning and most people are drunk here in the town of you know

[01:55:58] You know, it comes to tom baker. I also think of him not only as dr. Who but also as the lakeless pirate

[01:56:05] In captain god and black adder

[01:56:12] I got a question uh because

[01:56:14] And this is I haven't read all the books. I know there's a lot of media on it

[01:56:16] But was there ever any crossover between dr. Who and the hitchhiker's guide?

[01:56:20] Oh

[01:56:23] That would be interesting

[01:56:26] That could work because

[01:56:31] You can have that happen, you know just get Douglas Adams the state involved in

[01:56:36] You know

[01:56:40] Sometime in the series

[01:56:43] Is a writer they mention a lot of famous celebs so it is always funny when one of them actually does

[01:56:48] Show up on the show

[01:56:50] I there's so many friends to see the doctor and dirk gently as a team up. Oh, that'd go good

[01:56:57] Well, I know james molly when the drag queen is going to be playing an evil

[01:57:01] A bad a baddie on the show and i'm looking forward to that

[01:57:04] Guys

[01:57:06] I haven't seen anything yet, but I read something about there being a transgender companion for the doctor

[01:57:13] Yeah, that's that's in the works

[01:57:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[01:57:19] Yeah, Donna's daughter is trans. Yeah

[01:57:23] nice

[01:57:24] Well, it's about time

[01:57:26] Yeah, you know, um

[01:57:30] I've always said the one thing about dr. Who is when you hear that music

[01:57:36] Yeah, the x-files totally ripped it off

[01:57:39] Oh

[01:57:43] That's even funnier because the x-files theme is actually done by accident like

[01:57:50] Okay, we can make it sound like doctor who can't really make it like

[01:57:56] That was uh composed by a woman I can't remember her name. Oh, yeah

[01:58:03] The dr. Who theme or the uh

[01:58:05] The doctor yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was green here. She never really got credit for it

[01:58:12] Yeah, greener got all the credit for her because it was like

[01:58:16] Music by ron's brainware and that bbc workshop and your radio workshop and you're like

[01:58:23] Wait, wait, what?

[01:58:24] Yeah, but the thing I love about that is you hear the bass for that and then you hear pink floyd

[01:58:31] doing uh

[01:58:33] Like hell no, no, no, no, no like hell it's uh, it's off of animals

[01:58:40] Yeah

[01:58:42] It's uh

[01:58:43] There's you better dogs. It's the dog. It's one dogs. Yeah, so they're doing a live one time right and

[01:58:51] Uh, David Gilmore, they they're big I think they're big of the doctor who so they did the song

[01:58:57] I'll see here Dave Gilmore on this panel still go

[01:59:00] We

[01:59:02] He starts with a whole dr. Who think the crowd went nuts

[01:59:06] Yeah, I saw it live in 94 during division bell. Oh lucky you

[01:59:11] freaked out

[01:59:13] But I've also I'd be remiss if I didn't also mention

[01:59:16] Dr. Isatardu

[01:59:18] Yes

[01:59:20] You know members of the klf which went on to get that great hit three and eternal

[01:59:25] I'm kasey now back to the countdown

[01:59:30] Case I love that the the drums that drove uh, John Sims master insane is the baseline to the theme tune

[01:59:37] I just that's just a really nice little by one of the things this that's the

[01:59:43] Davy's great writing there in that era. Yeah

[01:59:48] Nice

[01:59:50] I mean you wonder if uh

[01:59:53] Oh

[01:59:55] Galactic cat stole from dr. Who in that regard because there was the

[02:00:00] Because they had that one they had the season where there was a it could hear something and it turned out to be all along the watch

[02:00:07] I think that's

[02:00:09] older than

[02:00:11] probably I mean

[02:00:13] Pretty much that's the thing you could be right

[02:00:16] Sci-fi riders

[02:00:19] We'll set that along the watch tower

[02:00:22] In in bus like let's go they like there's a running theme where they're hearing this music in the walls and it turns out to be

[02:00:28] Along the watch tower

[02:00:30] Yeah, that came out in 68

[02:00:35] Because that's on uh, john wesley harding and then

[02:00:39] jimmy hinders put it out

[02:00:41] Was well the all along the watch tower thing was that part of the original bsg or the

[02:00:44] No, that's

[02:00:47] When they're

[02:00:49] Everybody was a everybody was a sylon

[02:00:52] Yeah, not everyone. I saw the I saw the remake. I loved it, but I never saw the original

[02:00:57] Yeah, it was more like a little later. Yeah, just watch the first season not not galactic at 18

[02:01:04] Yes black and ike 80

[02:01:06] I will say there are there were a couple of episodes that they

[02:01:10] That they eventually put together as a movie called the sylon invasion of

[02:01:15] Of earth

[02:01:16] That was for two episodes of that where it was it was basically halloween and they had wolf man jack and it that made that those two episodes

[02:01:25] I just want to let you know what your sylon is put it next to a microwave

[02:01:30] No, fortunately they've been able to

[02:01:33] Do like a season two and free and comic books form of original galactica

[02:01:38] So again, you know anything can be redone the right way

[02:01:42] Oh

[02:01:45] Man so this has been a delight guys because I do feel like

[02:01:48] This is good. I just get getting this out of our

[02:01:51] Our shell and just kind of talking about what kind of makes us tick what makes us

[02:01:55] Just tune in yeah

[02:01:57] If only we shown a little bit more passion in this episode, I think it would be

[02:02:04] A little more emotion a little more emoting we would have been better, but you know

[02:02:09] Yeah, we were we were kind of stoic

[02:02:12] We'll get by

[02:02:14] You're supposed to post right?

[02:02:17] Right. Yeah acting activate

[02:02:23] That was a really good conversation about this so yeah it was yeah

[02:02:29] Uh and it was fun how we were kind of quizzing each other officially in a way

[02:02:33] It's like

[02:02:50] And thank you all for being here and yeah, uh educating the world

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