Cyberpunk Week: Comic Book Novelizations of Cult Movies Freejack & Demolition Man (with Keith M. Sedor & Jon Mark)

[00:00:02] Alex Furlong is about to die and enter the year 2009.

[00:00:10] Now, he's a free jack.

[00:00:11] Someone paid to bring him back.

[00:00:13] With a body that's priceless.

[00:00:15] 15 million to anyone who can bring you in.

[00:00:17] In a world that's ruthless.

[00:00:19] I watched you die.

[00:00:20] Emilio Estevez, Mick Jagger, René Russo, and Anthony Hopkins.

[00:00:25] Welcome to my mind.

[00:00:26] Free Jack, rated R, starts Friday, January 17th.

[00:00:31] He's a cop from the 90s.

[00:00:33] Who just woke up in the 21st century.

[00:00:37] I've been dreaming about killing you for 40 years.

[00:00:40] She's his new partner.

[00:00:41] What I wouldn't do for some action.

[00:00:43] With all the right moves.

[00:00:45] I'm impressed.

[00:00:46] And all the wrong phrases.

[00:00:48] You take this job, you can shovel it.

[00:00:50] Close enough.

[00:00:51] Sylvester Stallone.

[00:00:52] Wesley Snipes.

[00:00:55] Demolition Man, rated R, starts Friday, October 8th.

[00:01:01] It's a Jackdumb Review Show.

[00:01:10] It's a Jackdumb Review Show.

[00:01:13] Jackdumb Review Show.

[00:01:22] It's a Jackdumb Review Show.

[00:01:25] It's a Jackdumb Review Show.

[00:01:28] It's an all-star cast.

[00:01:49] We got all kinds of people here tonight.

[00:01:51] He's a nerd and myself.

[00:01:54] I like yourself.

[00:01:56] I'm good.

[00:01:57] How about yourself?

[00:01:58] I cannot complain.

[00:01:59] We are cyberpunk city.

[00:02:03] Two TBS heads.

[00:02:05] So to speak.

[00:02:06] That's true.

[00:02:07] We got Free Jack.

[00:02:09] And then we got Demolition Man.

[00:02:11] Both had comic books that not only adapted the movies,

[00:02:18] but used a lot of deleted segments.

[00:02:20] I could not believe it.

[00:02:22] The first one was by IDW for Free Jack.

[00:02:26] And then Demolition Man was a DC Comics special for Parter.

[00:02:32] Interesting.

[00:02:33] I just find it interesting how with Willow,

[00:02:35] there are several deleted scenes or enhancements of the plot.

[00:02:39] I'm like, this is too good to be true.

[00:02:44] I need that about Willow, but not about Demolition Man.

[00:02:47] I find that intriguing.

[00:02:49] It was a last-minute deal and I was not prepared for it.

[00:02:53] Why do you think these movies are like ultimate cult movies?

[00:02:57] Critics hate them, audiences love them,

[00:03:00] and plenty of other users love them for various reasons.

[00:03:06] What's interesting with...

[00:03:08] I'll start with Demolition Man.

[00:03:10] That one, I would say because there's actually some cases

[00:03:15] where I'm like, I'm going to go with Demolition Man.

[00:03:18] Some cases where some of the...

[00:03:21] Like the roles they come up with in that movie

[00:03:24] kind of apply to today.

[00:03:26] Oh, yeah.

[00:03:27] The only thing they haven't done is find you for cursing,

[00:03:31] which I'm sure they might be coming at this point.

[00:03:33] Yeah, don't even get me started on the cable TV edits.

[00:03:37] Yeah.

[00:03:40] With Free Jack, I think it's more interest with,

[00:03:44] especially Mick Jagger being involved,

[00:03:46] that probably got some people to watch.

[00:03:49] Yeah, and Jeff Murphy seems to be one of the few B-list directors

[00:03:54] who regardless of what other people liked his movies are not,

[00:03:57] Under Siege 2, Young Guns 2,

[00:04:00] and then various other ZLIN productions.

[00:04:05] And here he is doing a movie promoted as The Next Total Recall

[00:04:09] and again, not great, but pretty big on movies.

[00:04:13] And the comic does a good job of even explaining the storyline

[00:04:18] better, which critics had an issue with.

[00:04:20] And unlike some of these other junky mainstream B-pictures,

[00:04:25] so to speak, I didn't...

[00:04:26] I thought the plot was like the least of its trouble

[00:04:28] and it was just more just...

[00:04:30] It seemed like a lot of people nowadays shit on it now

[00:04:33] because they just don't care for Emilio's performance

[00:04:37] and I'll admit he doesn't really have enough to do

[00:04:41] as the lead.

[00:04:42] The cars kind of do the talking,

[00:04:44] but I don't think he's a bad performer in this,

[00:04:46] but what do I know?

[00:04:48] I think he's fine in this.

[00:04:50] It's more Anthony Hopkins I had my problems with.

[00:04:53] Yeah.

[00:04:54] He was quite useless as the villain.

[00:04:56] That's what I always say.

[00:04:58] Well that and when he's barely in it

[00:05:01] and he's bashing the movie and is like,

[00:05:03] dude, shut up, you did all these Hannibal sequels.

[00:05:06] You also did Transformers of Last Night,

[00:05:08] so you shouldn't be talking about that.

[00:05:10] Just saying.

[00:05:11] You did the Wolfman remake.

[00:05:13] That's true.

[00:05:16] You've done all kinds of movies

[00:05:18] and you're going to shit on this one.

[00:05:20] I mean, I would if anything,

[00:05:23] hit on maybe some of the ensemble duds he had back

[00:05:25] from the 60s to 80s compared to this.

[00:05:28] Yeah.

[00:05:29] But he's barely in it,

[00:05:31] even though he's a key role.

[00:05:33] For those who want to see it,

[00:05:35] his streaming is still on 2B,

[00:05:37] keeps coming up and down I think on HBO Max,

[00:05:40] because it's a Warner Brothers production.

[00:05:42] I think I saw part of it on TNT one time.

[00:05:46] It was often played in the 2 to 4 AM range

[00:05:49] and I think I just mainly remember the visuals

[00:05:52] and everything.

[00:05:53] It's a pretty light R.

[00:05:55] There's like maybe very sparse language

[00:05:57] and I think it's just occasional blood,

[00:06:00] but nothing again.

[00:06:03] Not Verhoeven or Krohn and Verge levels

[00:06:05] where you're flying,

[00:06:07] just seeing explosions.

[00:06:09] Explosions on people's chest.

[00:06:15] Sorry, go ahead.

[00:06:16] I'll say they kept the story simple

[00:06:18] and that's what I think

[00:06:20] anybody who's a fan of this

[00:06:22] probably appreciates more than other films

[00:06:24] where they would convolute it

[00:06:26] to the point that it just becomes a mess.

[00:06:28] That's what everybody appreciates with this one.

[00:06:32] I think that night I saw it on TNT

[00:06:34] it was actually on after a similar movie

[00:06:36] like The Sixth Day or Total Riggles.

[00:06:43] There you go, Arnold movies.

[00:06:45] But yeah, I don't find the plot impossible to follow.

[00:06:50] I like that the filmmakers have the car scenes

[00:06:54] here and there where they need them

[00:06:57] without going fast and furious level

[00:06:59] like they would nowadays

[00:07:00] where that's 20 minutes that you could easily cut out

[00:07:03] and I guess it just gets shit on

[00:07:05] because there are some slower moments

[00:07:07] but it's not to the point where

[00:07:09] wow, the movie totally grinded to a halt

[00:07:11] but at the same time

[00:07:13] there's sparse stuff here and there

[00:07:15] so it's kind of more of a Sunday night movie.

[00:07:18] Yeah, that's how I would describe it.

[00:07:26] But yeah, everyone kind of just gave this a pitch slap

[00:07:28] and I don't really know.

[00:07:33] Jeff Murphy did a similar movie just like this

[00:07:36] with Sarah Winter, Sir Randon I think

[00:07:39] and Carrie Ells

[00:07:42] and it was called Race Against Time

[00:07:44] and it was a TNT original movie

[00:07:46] Eric Roberts was the lead

[00:07:47] but it was so much like this.

[00:07:51] But it was compared to Logan's Run and Running Man

[00:07:53] I would call it more of a

[00:07:55] Terminator knockoff.

[00:07:59] Yeah, we have a few of those.

[00:08:01] Minus the cyborgs.

[00:08:03] I just find it interesting because

[00:08:05] same kind of deal where

[00:08:07] Jeff Murphy was kind of a gun for hire

[00:08:09] and he would do all kinds of movies.

[00:08:11] He made decent money for Morgan Creek

[00:08:13] and all these other Time Warner sections

[00:08:15] so he just kind of kept showing up

[00:08:17] from the various productions

[00:08:19] but we have much money this made.

[00:08:23] I don't think it did as well as they thought it might

[00:08:25] considering the cast.

[00:08:27] Oh yeah,

[00:08:29] oof, 17 million

[00:08:32] 30 million dollar budget.

[00:08:34] Oh hell, even made 37 outwards

[00:08:36] so yeah, she's there

[00:08:38] and didn't make.

[00:08:41] Yeah, that was rough.

[00:08:43] I didn't recognize Frankie Faison

[00:08:45] or Amanda Plummer in this at all.

[00:08:48] I actually forgot they were in it when I

[00:08:50] watched it

[00:08:52] like a year ago.

[00:08:55] That surprised me

[00:08:57] and especially Jonathan Banks, I was surprised to see him.

[00:09:00] I totally forgot he was in this.

[00:09:02] Oh, Dully.

[00:09:04] I knew he was in it but I didn't know who he played

[00:09:06] I figured he was a henchman but nope

[00:09:08] total reversal, he is playing the main bad guy.

[00:09:14] And I guess if I had any complaints

[00:09:16] I'd say he spent probably a little too much

[00:09:18] just

[00:09:20] it's interesting how

[00:09:22] he's just kind of

[00:09:24] how to say it

[00:09:26] he

[00:09:28] he doesn't believe

[00:09:30] his handler so the minute he's like

[00:09:32] the deal is off, he's still trying to kill

[00:09:34] us.

[00:09:36] Yeah.

[00:09:38] I wouldn't do any of that if I didn't have any money.

[00:09:40] No.

[00:09:42] Thoughts on Mick Jagger, why do you think everyone

[00:09:44] just bless actors

[00:09:46] or singers

[00:09:48] who are becoming actors?

[00:09:50] I was just thinking about that the other day

[00:09:52] and I think in his case, I think just because

[00:09:54] he's not even trying

[00:09:56] with his delivery, even though

[00:09:58] I think it's more intentional than what

[00:10:00] people believe.

[00:10:02] I mean I'm sure he just wanted to have fun

[00:10:04] I'm sure they sell him on, you get to

[00:10:06] drive dangerous cars

[00:10:08] and bust people around and hold a gun.

[00:10:10] I mean it's not like other

[00:10:12] singers, well

[00:10:14] when they try to act

[00:10:16] I know what's going on.

[00:10:20] who try to have a career

[00:10:22] and well there's a reason why she doesn't

[00:10:24] act anymore, but that's the size of the point.

[00:10:28] Whereas Mick Jagger

[00:10:30] at least knew what kind of film

[00:10:32] he was in and had fun with it.

[00:10:34] Whereas she never did

[00:10:36] and that's how Creole falls are.

[00:10:42] Or like, I don't know, Jay Low

[00:10:44] where the quantity is better than quality

[00:10:46] thanks Jay for doing

[00:10:48] two bad movies this year alone.

[00:10:52] I'm not bad to watch anymore

[00:10:54] so I'm good.

[00:10:56] You are fortunate, I've never seen a

[00:10:58] darker lit movie than

[00:11:00] The Mother and I thought it was just kidding

[00:11:02] when they were just giving grades at best

[00:11:04] but then I saw it and was like, oh no

[00:11:06] deep hurting.

[00:11:12] I knew E. Zyme

[00:11:14] Morales was in this but much like

[00:11:16] when he was in LA even his Telstra

[00:11:18] McRib episode I forgot who he was playing

[00:11:21] and I'm very impressed by him.

[00:11:23] Before he became Mr. Procedural

[00:11:25] Guy or Dramatic

[00:11:27] Actor Guy, here he is

[00:11:29] in this big part role and once again

[00:11:31] he's just being both a smart ass

[00:11:33] and showing that he kind of fears

[00:11:35] for his safety at times without

[00:11:37] you know, filling the man up

[00:11:39] it's weird.

[00:11:41] Stuff all in one's and

[00:11:43] yeah, no

[00:11:45] I just really dug how

[00:11:48] he just got to work instantly

[00:11:50] and he was just like, on it boss

[00:11:52] and he just starts digging.

[00:11:54] Yeah

[00:11:56] They also have

[00:11:58] someone like David Johansson

[00:12:00] Yeah

[00:12:02] who, which is funny because

[00:12:04] I always knew his Buster Point Dexter

[00:12:06] as an SNL fan

[00:12:08] that's how I knew him.

[00:12:10] So I never knew he was

[00:12:12] after the frontman for New York Dolls

[00:12:14] until

[00:12:16] literally

[00:12:18] I watched this for the first time so

[00:12:20] it was interesting

[00:12:22] seeing him like this compared to his appearances on

[00:12:24] now.

[00:12:26] I saw that Linda

[00:12:28] Florentino was supposed to be the lead

[00:12:30] I don't think this did any

[00:12:32] this would have done anything much

[00:12:34] for her career. In fact she would probably

[00:12:36] quit after this because I know she was very

[00:12:38] demanding back in the day if it was not

[00:12:40] working so I wanted to think the director

[00:12:42] back set and say what are we doing here?

[00:12:44] So I

[00:12:46] I think if she followed this

[00:12:48] up with Jade

[00:12:50] she would have been like, she wouldn't have done

[00:12:52] Men in Black. No she wouldn't have

[00:12:54] She wouldn't have

[00:12:56] So

[00:12:58] Sony apparently

[00:13:00] released the Blu-ray and I think you said you've had

[00:13:02] a copy of that

[00:13:04] Yeah. Good resolution

[00:13:07] Yeah I mean it's suddenly

[00:13:09] ugly over the DVD I can say that

[00:13:11] at least

[00:13:13] but it's not going to be overly

[00:13:16] ugly because then

[00:13:18] shoot on digital even though I prefer

[00:13:20] when film is shoot on film

[00:13:22] compared to digital nowadays

[00:13:24] Yeah digital seems

[00:13:26] to be a very big headache

[00:13:28] inducing thing where you're not sure

[00:13:30] how much of it is

[00:13:32] the resolution versus

[00:13:34] people taking it

[00:13:36] cheap I've even seen

[00:13:38] filmmakers even complain that they

[00:13:40] saw some of the James Bond film sets

[00:13:42] on Blu-ray and they were like that looks like

[00:13:44] a GMHD rip not a Blu-ray rip

[00:13:46] so it does kind of make you wonder

[00:13:48] if it took some shortcuts when

[00:13:50] it first came out and then they were like

[00:13:52] okay we're not going to bother doing this

[00:13:54] unless we absolutely

[00:13:56] can

[00:13:58] give a great

[00:14:00] just

[00:14:02] remastering

[00:14:04] Yeah

[00:14:06] So apparently Jeff Murphy

[00:14:08] wanted nothing to do with this movie

[00:14:10] either I thought it was just Anthony Hopkins

[00:14:12] apparently did not like it much either

[00:14:14] and said hey I'll just

[00:14:16] and

[00:14:18] one of the producers overreacted

[00:14:20] at the test screening and said

[00:14:22] okay I guess I'm going to reshoot and

[00:14:24] add more character scenes

[00:14:26] I think that's why this movie is less

[00:14:28] longer there is some hard

[00:14:30] sci-fi stuff here and there it's just

[00:14:32] now everyone again

[00:14:34] just remembers isn't that weird time

[00:14:36] travel car movie

[00:14:38] I think it's actually been on the

[00:14:40] Nescar speed channel a few times

[00:14:45] oh wow

[00:14:47] different kind of movie

[00:14:51] yeah

[00:14:53] I don't know what else to say

[00:14:55] other than why do you think

[00:14:57] Hopkins is so

[00:14:59] spice this movie so much

[00:15:01] compared to any other shit he's made

[00:15:03] well probably because

[00:15:05] I'm assuming he was

[00:15:07] I don't know if he was shooting

[00:15:09] something else and then

[00:15:11] they couldn't get made so

[00:15:13] forced to do this for some reason I have no idea

[00:15:19] first movie Dan Gilroy Road

[00:15:21] and of course he married

[00:15:23] Renee Rousseau shortly after

[00:15:25] and yep that same year

[00:15:28] wow

[00:15:30] she plays it

[00:15:32] safe in this role I think

[00:15:34] John Sheehan is kind of underutilized too

[00:15:36] I know he's more of a TV actor but

[00:15:39] Frankie Face sign

[00:15:41] what's funny is I just kept

[00:15:43] I totally didn't recognize him

[00:15:45] I thought he was a totally different actor and then I'm like

[00:15:47] oh wow okay

[00:15:51] look at you go Mr. TV

[00:15:55] he also got

[00:15:57] I think it was

[00:15:59] I don't know if they were still married at the time but

[00:16:01] Mick Jagger's wife at the time Jerry Hall

[00:16:03] in a very small role

[00:16:05] which was for the best

[00:16:07] honestly

[00:16:09] yeah that was probably

[00:16:11] part of the deal

[00:16:13] I actually don't remember the reporter and I just saw it

[00:16:15] yesterday

[00:16:17] is that at the beginning of the movie or

[00:16:19] somewhere around the beginning yeah

[00:16:21] she appears

[00:16:25] trust me

[00:16:27] I don't blame you for forgetting that point

[00:16:31] it's a good thing it wasn't

[00:16:33] more than five minutes unlike her Batman appearance

[00:16:35] that's another story

[00:16:40] man

[00:16:42] yeah altogether I mean

[00:16:46] I'd recommend this movie

[00:16:48] more preferably if it came in a blu ray pack

[00:16:50] of like four movies by Morgan Creight

[00:16:52] yeah or if you could

[00:16:56] go track it down

[00:16:58] probably see on eBay

[00:17:00] if it's cheap if anybody's willing to put up the cheap

[00:17:02] nowadays

[00:17:04] but that depends

[00:17:06] that depends

[00:17:08] there you go

[00:17:10] oh man

[00:17:14] yeah

[00:17:16] I really am surprised how many people have actually seen

[00:17:18] this movie

[00:17:20] just seemed like for a while

[00:17:22] that

[00:17:24] movies like this were just obscure

[00:17:26] unless they were reviewed

[00:17:28] on a bad or infamous movie podcast

[00:17:32] as you tell some people

[00:17:34] knew about that especially

[00:17:36] years later

[00:17:38] years later

[00:17:40] I was one of the few that's like

[00:17:42] isn't that bad

[00:17:44] compared to some movies that y'all like to praise

[00:17:50] oh man

[00:17:52] so you'll find this kind of funny

[00:17:54] cinematographer

[00:17:56] has gone on to do all kinds

[00:17:58] of movies everything

[00:18:00] including slam dance

[00:18:03] ex-stinction that's the fourth one

[00:18:05] bad boys 2

[00:18:07] vast and furious 09

[00:18:09] man of steel

[00:18:11] and plenty of other stuff

[00:18:13] lord of war vantage point taking lives

[00:18:15] the sultan sea don't say a word

[00:18:17] eye for an eye and the joy luck club

[00:18:19] I'll take it

[00:18:21] interesting

[00:18:25] there you go

[00:18:27] recently shot more stuff like

[00:18:29] once upon a time in Venice

[00:18:31] super fly

[00:18:33] murder mystery with andre sandler

[00:18:35] and the first lady miniseries on show time

[00:18:37] so

[00:18:39] yeah

[00:18:43] I remember michael bay saying he really dug the guy

[00:18:45] but yeah he's from Iran

[00:18:47] and immigrated here in 1977

[00:18:52] interesting

[00:18:54] I would just compliment the set design on this movie

[00:18:56] because

[00:18:58] I gotta give that some kudos

[00:19:00] every other movie had seemed

[00:19:02] at that time

[00:19:04] would cut out everything

[00:19:06] because of the character development so this is a

[00:19:08] rarity where they were actually concerned

[00:19:10] oh no this is not gonna make sense

[00:19:12] audiences aren't reacting to it

[00:19:17] that's how they thought back in the day

[00:19:19] to play with certain

[00:19:21] films

[00:19:23] I think they learned a lesson

[00:19:25] but not really

[00:19:27] I guess

[00:19:29] I

[00:19:31] so Robert schlinkley

[00:19:34] was the original author of this

[00:19:36] from which this is derived from

[00:19:38] it is based on a novel

[00:19:40] from 1959

[00:19:42] and was featured under a different name called

[00:19:44] time killer in the galaxy science fiction

[00:19:46] magazine and got a hugo

[00:19:48] award nom

[00:19:50] but yeah it was called immortality

[00:19:52] ink

[00:19:54] actually

[00:19:57] that was based off

[00:19:59] a novel

[00:20:01] until five minutes ago

[00:20:04] that's news to me

[00:20:08] oh man

[00:20:10] but it's apparently also been adapted

[00:20:13] in a bbc anthology

[00:20:15] sci-fi show called out of the unknown

[00:20:17] and was made into a

[00:20:19] audio tape as well

[00:20:21] but

[00:20:23] yeah the best known adaptation

[00:20:25] is reject

[00:20:27] pretty much

[00:20:29] this sounds like the guy

[00:20:31] is going body to body just non stop

[00:20:33] and

[00:20:35] living in each world

[00:20:37] and they just were like no let's focus

[00:20:39] on the cars and then introduce the time

[00:20:41] trial

[00:20:43] yeah Robert schlinkley

[00:20:45] I guess

[00:20:47] Robert sachet

[00:20:49] and Steven pressfield

[00:20:51] all kinds of stuff

[00:20:53] pressfield

[00:20:55] oh no sorry my bad so he was the author

[00:20:57] and he's probably known

[00:20:59] for a book that also got adapted

[00:21:01] into an arguably far worse book

[00:21:03] you might know it as the legend of bag of ants

[00:21:07] oh yes

[00:21:11] a movie no one talks about

[00:21:13] and I'm always surprised because that's

[00:21:15] one of many movies I see people who are

[00:21:17] extremely hard on surprisingly

[00:21:19] don't mind and I'm like no no no

[00:21:21] no if you're gonna be hard on all these other

[00:21:23] movies you're gonna be hard on this

[00:21:25] so yeah Robert

[00:21:27] sachet was

[00:21:29] a little story crafter for both

[00:21:31] alien and the original avp

[00:21:33] and

[00:21:35] he optioned

[00:21:37] he worked with dan o'mannon on a bunch of other stuff

[00:21:39] including dead and buried where banan just

[00:21:41] put his name on it so it would sell

[00:21:43] as well as writing other stuff like

[00:21:45] the final terror above the law

[00:21:47] king kong libs and then optioning

[00:21:49] total recall

[00:21:51] so

[00:21:53] as well as minority report before it got

[00:21:55] numerous rewrites and became a spin word project

[00:21:57] so he was part of the whole filip k

[00:21:59] dick universe

[00:22:01] you can tell

[00:22:03] I'm really surprised when Gibson wasn't involved

[00:22:05] with this in some way he was probably too busy

[00:22:07] working on alien free

[00:22:09] which is a far worse

[00:22:11] movie if you ask me

[00:22:15] I don't mind the creature effects in it but

[00:22:17] it does take its sweet ass time in that god damn

[00:22:19] prison where you're just like

[00:22:21] waiting

[00:22:23] I have my other reasons especially

[00:22:25] the opening

[00:22:27] don't get me wrong that's unforgivable

[00:22:29] I pretty much

[00:22:31] was just

[00:22:33] and those were both

[00:22:35] just obscure cable tv

[00:22:37] viewings just that like three in the morning

[00:22:39] on like spike tv so it is interesting

[00:22:41] how these movies are

[00:22:43] just kind of show up once a while

[00:22:45] and they got some fanfare

[00:22:47] but they're kind of still

[00:22:49] of the infamous notoriety

[00:22:51] but this one I don't see

[00:22:54] this one I don't see too many shit on it

[00:22:56] as they did back in the day

[00:22:58] so it seems like

[00:23:00] if you're a milio fan

[00:23:02] it's worth it

[00:23:04] but mainly it's going to be just fun

[00:23:06] from a cyberpunk sci-fi angle

[00:23:08] but don't expect

[00:23:10] altered carbon or terminator level

[00:23:12] like sci and stuff

[00:23:14] but it could have made it could have made an

[00:23:16] easy episode twilight zone

[00:23:18] or maybe even star trek

[00:23:21] I can even see that

[00:23:23] with data card

[00:23:25] and they're trapped in time you're like what the hell is going on

[00:23:29] yeah I can actually see it as twilight zone episode actually

[00:23:31] there you go

[00:23:33] it's literally narrates

[00:23:35] and says and remember drive safely

[00:23:37] oh

[00:23:39] maybe even outer limits given the body swiping

[00:23:45] yeah

[00:23:47] probably more fitting with that one

[00:23:49] especially the 90s they would have been all over

[00:23:51] make it as quiet as you can

[00:23:56] showtime asked for it we'll give it to them

[00:24:00] yeah no I'm

[00:24:02] the comic's worth a read

[00:24:04] it is impossible to find online

[00:24:06] so

[00:24:08] I just got my copy off ebay

[00:24:10] at a discounted price

[00:24:12] and it was a fun read

[00:24:14] I think it's a fun read also

[00:24:16] because like you do not have to watch this movie

[00:24:18] at all to understand it

[00:24:20] but

[00:24:24] it's literally like the first

[00:24:26] act of the movie and more emphasis

[00:24:28] on like the body swapping

[00:24:30] and everything and then kind of

[00:24:32] again just more of the

[00:24:34] more of the explanation of Hopkins

[00:24:36] scientist character but

[00:24:40] much like the other movie we'll get to in just a bit

[00:24:42] I'm really surprised at the lack of cursing

[00:24:44] because usually it seems like anything

[00:24:46] based on its rating they would just go for it

[00:24:48] and people were okay with it because they

[00:24:50] actually open up a page to know

[00:24:52] if it was offensive or not

[00:24:56] but yeah I didn't

[00:24:58] see much language

[00:25:05] pretty funny

[00:25:07] I have to read it one day

[00:25:09] yeah

[00:25:11] just make sure you did what I did and make an offer

[00:25:13] don't pay more than 20

[00:25:17] all together

[00:25:23] so under our next feature

[00:25:25] it is the one the only D man

[00:25:31] so

[00:25:33] this was on TBS

[00:25:35] TNT non-stop

[00:25:37] and more recently BBC

[00:25:39] America I wish I was making that up

[00:25:41] I guess because Nigel Hawthorne is the villain

[00:25:43] I don't beat it

[00:25:47] I guess that's why

[00:25:49] I know they were playing it when they are now

[00:25:51] it is funny seeing it

[00:25:53] it is not as distracting as die hard 2

[00:25:55] but it does have some moments

[00:25:57] where they so did not say that

[00:25:59] or why is that word offensive

[00:26:03] I would like to see if any other network

[00:26:05] does a different

[00:26:07] for TV edit

[00:26:09] can they at least still say shit

[00:26:11] better yet put it on Comedy Central

[00:26:13] that would be perfect

[00:26:15] the uncut movie of the night

[00:26:21] I actually went to watch Comedy Central for once

[00:26:23] there you go

[00:26:25] if you do a Stallone roast

[00:26:27] you will have to show scenes from this

[00:26:29] obviously

[00:26:31] all together

[00:26:33] I love Zondy Blok in this movie

[00:26:37] I love Bob Gunton even more on this

[00:26:39] before he was playing presidential age

[00:26:41] and rich businessmen tycoons

[00:26:43] this is literally two years

[00:26:45] actually a year

[00:26:47] of R.J. Schaenker's redemption

[00:26:49] as the evil warden

[00:26:51] it is just so wild

[00:26:53] because I see so much

[00:26:55] of this

[00:26:57] despicable villain

[00:26:59] using a criminal

[00:27:01] to make a pretentious point

[00:27:03] on their war on crime

[00:27:05] tactic for their congressmen

[00:27:07] constituents

[00:27:09] this is still happening

[00:27:11] this dude is practically Ron DeSantis

[00:27:13] instead of exploiting

[00:27:15] illegal immigrants

[00:27:17] he is just

[00:27:19] taking criminals from the past

[00:27:21] and defreezing them

[00:27:26] disappointedly to say

[00:27:28] the comic is fun

[00:27:30] you can read that online on any free comic

[00:27:32] book site

[00:27:34] it's a four parter

[00:27:37] I will get into it

[00:27:39] I think everyone has just about

[00:27:41] covered this movie

[00:27:43] so much

[00:27:45] long story short

[00:27:47] Joel Silver wanted another T2

[00:27:49] die hard

[00:27:51] blockbuster

[00:27:53] taking scenes from it

[00:27:55] after breaking the director's spirit

[00:27:57] he never did a movie again

[00:27:59] maybe two music videos

[00:28:01] I think that's sad

[00:28:03] because he did show he had talent here

[00:28:05] yeah

[00:28:07] there is a hysterical article where

[00:28:09] Stuart Barrett, yes future

[00:28:11] editor

[00:28:13] he was still working for Joel Silver

[00:28:15] he would fix anything that needed it

[00:28:17] he just recalls Joel is very enthusiastic

[00:28:19] and yells quite a lot

[00:28:21] I don't take anything

[00:28:23] bad from it

[00:28:25] I know what he wants

[00:28:27] it's very blunt

[00:28:29] I'm sorry it was a chaotic film set

[00:28:31] but more recently

[00:28:33] more people have talked about

[00:28:35] how there are a shit ton of deleted scenes

[00:28:37] that have never seen the light of day

[00:28:39] reportedly more that featured

[00:28:41] Jesse Ventura

[00:28:43] I'm just going to say the comic book has

[00:28:46] because sometimes an original draft

[00:28:48] is adapted into a comic there was nothing

[00:28:50] no more extended scenes of the sewer

[00:28:52] or anything just more

[00:28:54] focus on playing

[00:28:56] up Wesley Snipes and

[00:28:58] Stallone's characters

[00:29:00] and once again surprisingly very little language

[00:29:04] so more of the top violence

[00:29:06] but nothing robocop level

[00:29:10] so would you want to live in

[00:29:12] something crazy future like this

[00:29:14] besides not at all

[00:29:16] I was going to say hell no

[00:29:20] but this is

[00:29:22] it's also funny about this one

[00:29:24] cancel culture

[00:29:26] well that's one

[00:29:28] two

[00:29:30] this is one of the few films that made me tell

[00:29:32] me Rob Schneider

[00:29:34] this is only good movie

[00:29:36] oh man

[00:29:38] odd take

[00:29:40] do you consider

[00:29:42] this is Stallone's demolition man

[00:29:44] to be in the same universe

[00:29:48] which one

[00:29:50] Stallone did his version

[00:29:52] of Judge Dredd

[00:29:54] running gag

[00:29:56] fans are it's more of a

[00:29:58] demolition man part two

[00:30:00] than it is a Judge Dredd

[00:30:02] adaptation

[00:30:04] that's true

[00:30:06] I mean this has satire for one

[00:30:08] and it is legit satire

[00:30:10] don't get me wrong some jokes don't land

[00:30:12] and you are going to say yeah that's just

[00:30:14] that's an SNL or Monty Python

[00:30:16] or last action

[00:30:18] hero skit that wasn't 100%

[00:30:20] but I think this made money

[00:30:22] let's check

[00:30:24] I believe

[00:30:26] it had a video game I know

[00:30:31] let me see

[00:30:33] what was the budget for it

[00:30:35] he's claiming 45 to 77

[00:30:37] since it ends with 77

[00:30:39] I'm going to just say that's the final budget

[00:30:43] and it grossed

[00:30:45] oh plenty 159.1

[00:30:47] yeah that's a hit

[00:30:49] yeah

[00:30:51] I can say that

[00:30:53] those are features

[00:30:55] I would mention

[00:30:57] I know it's kind of close

[00:30:59] to almost my favorite was this nice performance

[00:31:01] in Slime and Phoenix

[00:31:03] yeah you really can't spell it without it

[00:31:05] it is just

[00:31:07] fabulous

[00:31:09] it's just a

[00:31:11] perfect choice for that villain

[00:31:13] I can't see anybody else playing him

[00:31:17] he's on fire

[00:31:19] my uncle

[00:31:21] who was a big fan of all these kinds of cult

[00:31:23] movies growing up he would

[00:31:25] anytime

[00:31:27] it was on TV or we just mentioned the movie

[00:31:29] he would reference the scene where there

[00:31:31] Wesley hits him

[00:31:33] or Stallone hits him

[00:31:35] with the TV set by the telephone cord

[00:31:37] and says you're on TV

[00:31:41] I instantly got it was talking about

[00:31:43] it was just one of those

[00:31:45] you got to be a huge movie buff

[00:31:47] my parents favorite movie is The Inlaws

[00:31:49] so I would always just

[00:31:51] years before I even saw it quote the movie

[00:31:53] Bucketable

[00:31:57] the original not the remake

[00:32:01] Peter Linkov is

[00:32:03] a great screenwriter on this

[00:32:05] and you've probably seen all kinds of stuff

[00:32:07] from him he rewrote Polisticex

[00:32:09] vs. Sever

[00:32:10] he has done

[00:32:12] presumably uncredited

[00:32:14] rewrites on plenty

[00:32:16] of Polly Shore and Carrot Top movies

[00:32:18] so yeah if you want to see

[00:32:20] Charon on board or Jury Duties

[00:32:22] be my guest because I would

[00:32:24] recommend anyone see those

[00:32:26] as I said they're son of law too

[00:32:28] because no

[00:32:30] Demolition Man is his best movie

[00:32:32] he's a way

[00:32:34] and he worked with Christian Slater

[00:32:36] and Vol Kilmer a bit on

[00:32:38] Pursued which was a movie that no one saw

[00:32:40] then 13 which became

[00:32:42] a show but he did the mini

[00:32:44] series part and then R.I.P.D.

[00:32:48] not the best

[00:32:50] track record

[00:32:52] pretty iffy he seems like

[00:32:54] a nice guy but he lately

[00:32:56] after doing

[00:32:58] being part of the writers room for the district

[00:33:00] season 424 in CSI New York

[00:33:02] he created what he calls

[00:33:04] his link of universe with

[00:33:06] the reboots of MacGyver

[00:33:08] and Hawaii Five-O and Magnum

[00:33:11] I'll say

[00:33:13] the first part of that's not bad

[00:33:15] good dynamite action I could live without

[00:33:17] the new MacGyver is watchable

[00:33:19] but it's kind of like how

[00:33:21] you look at some of these other rehashes where it's like

[00:33:23] ehh the more I look

[00:33:25] at it the more I'm just reminded of how much

[00:33:27] better the OG was

[00:33:30] yeah and Magnum you'll

[00:33:32] like or hate either

[00:33:34] also but yeah

[00:33:36] he was kind of the king of syndicated

[00:33:38] TV for a while including LaFinn Nikita

[00:33:40] The Hunger

[00:33:42] the pro TV show

[00:33:44] I'd say his best work

[00:33:46] is probably that CBS TV movie

[00:33:48] Parker Kane which was directed

[00:33:50] by some lethal weapons second unit guys

[00:33:52] star Jeff Fahey, Marissa Tame

[00:33:54] Caruso and it was so popular

[00:33:56] got here twice boom

[00:33:58] do you probably know

[00:34:00] them best from those

[00:34:02] Zunisoul TV movies

[00:34:04] oh

[00:34:06] yeah

[00:34:08] I didn't even want to think about

[00:34:10] those at all

[00:34:12] oh

[00:34:14] I love making fun of them

[00:34:16] but they're not good

[00:34:18] plenty of people aren't crazy about

[00:34:20] I hate to say this Stallone or Snipes

[00:34:22] and I even see people call

[00:34:24] Sandra Bullock overrated and I'm like

[00:34:26] she's awesome but

[00:34:28] I did see some people say they didn't care for

[00:34:30] Schneider in this but I think they're

[00:34:32] mistaking the fact that they know who he is

[00:34:34] now versus then

[00:34:36] and I'm like he doesn't interfere

[00:34:38] he's better in this

[00:34:40] versus Judge Dredd

[00:34:42] where he's just annoying as well

[00:34:44] obnoxious

[00:34:46] oh man will not shut up

[00:34:48] he's only in like

[00:34:50] three scenes

[00:34:52] so

[00:34:54] at least three scenes folks

[00:34:56] it's not much of a film

[00:35:00] oh man

[00:35:02] it's also interesting to see my bedroom

[00:35:04] Brad show up here

[00:35:06] yeah he has the best shit eating grin the whole time

[00:35:08] yes

[00:35:10] yes

[00:35:12] which is funny because

[00:35:14] then him and Sandra would be your

[00:35:16] knights Ms. Kenji Hawley

[00:35:18] yeah

[00:35:20] I saw this

[00:35:22] Ms. Kenji Hawley so yeah

[00:35:24] good call

[00:35:26] so this would have been

[00:35:28] a year before

[00:35:30] Clearing Presence Danger and a few years before

[00:35:32] Long Order so yeah

[00:35:34] it's interesting seeing how this was kind of

[00:35:36] because

[00:35:38] I heard John Lugazamo about

[00:35:40] two years ago when I Conan O'Brien podcast

[00:35:42] interview talk about how he would go

[00:35:44] during the late 80s early 90s

[00:35:46] he would just go

[00:35:48] set to set audition to audition

[00:35:50] he'd keep running into both

[00:35:52] Benishield El Toro and

[00:35:54] Benjamin Brad and they would just joke with each other

[00:35:56] what do you audition for? The stupid friend

[00:35:58] or the gangbanger's role

[00:36:00] or some other bullshit villain role

[00:36:02] so

[00:36:04] he is just he must just have

[00:36:06] a very decent agent because

[00:36:08] I'd say he's doing a pretty good job

[00:36:10] if he's had a lot of recurring TV roles

[00:36:12] he's just now doing villain roles

[00:36:14] and no one remembers

[00:36:16] something that he couldn't save like

[00:36:19] the

[00:36:40] yeah

[00:36:42] unlike Waterworld you do not get more of them

[00:36:44] but yeah he is one of Dennis Leary's

[00:36:47] I still would say

[00:36:49] his best role is Judgement Night

[00:36:51] yeah there you go same night

[00:36:53] same year

[00:36:57] this is a fun role for him

[00:36:59] he wishes he was in a moa but

[00:37:01] everything else he kind of plays

[00:37:03] a version of Dennis Leary

[00:37:05] or essentially does a stand up act

[00:37:07] because no one was giving him

[00:37:09] much to do or just kind of

[00:37:11] but I've always

[00:37:13] much like admired certain music artists

[00:37:15] I mean we were talking to Mick Jagger

[00:37:17] he was pretty much pulling iced tea there

[00:37:19] no bullshit just get to it

[00:37:21] yeah I dug

[00:37:23] how he just essentially

[00:37:25] just

[00:37:27] in this just

[00:37:29] he said only what needed to be

[00:37:31] said and

[00:37:33] he's kind of putting everyone on the spot

[00:37:35] which is weird

[00:37:37] you would think he wants to be the center

[00:37:39] of attention but I'm sure he had

[00:37:41] heard stories about Stallone and company he's like

[00:37:43] yeah no I'm not going to fuck around with this guy

[00:37:45] dude can't take a joke

[00:37:47] I have seen Peter Linkov

[00:37:49] I think post on his Instagram

[00:37:51] just photos of him reuniting with Stallone

[00:37:57] I'm sure he has fun stories

[00:37:59] about it but

[00:38:01] I'm sure

[00:38:03] yeah I

[00:38:06] altogether it doesn't seem like

[00:38:08] it was clearly hated

[00:38:10] at the time but I don't think people

[00:38:12] bash it nowadays compared to Free Jack where some people still got some bad blood against it

[00:38:18] yeah that's something I actually feel it's one of Stallone's best films

[00:38:21] I mean he would find out

[00:38:23] well he'd flat out

[00:38:25] is like referencing everything

[00:38:27] like his beret he would use

[00:38:29] in his penples and then

[00:38:31] I mean come on he was already a beret

[00:38:33] so to speak in Rambo so I mean

[00:38:35] I

[00:38:37] yeah I

[00:38:40] it's pretty hard to fault this movie and

[00:38:42] I

[00:38:44] considering all the problems behind the scenes

[00:38:46] I really wish more stuff

[00:38:48] could come behind the scenes I wouldn't even be

[00:38:50] surprised if Stallone

[00:38:52] cut out most of

[00:38:54] adventurous stuff saying he's not an actor

[00:38:56] so

[00:38:58] but yeah no

[00:39:00] if there's an extended Shout Factory

[00:39:02] Blu-ray I'll purchase it

[00:39:04] no problem it's

[00:39:06] I think it's here on

[00:39:08] yeah I don't care if it's 150 bucks

[00:39:10] I will do it call me

[00:39:12] mad but yeah it's a

[00:39:14] my mother has even

[00:39:16] joked about how you could literally do

[00:39:18] a chick flick action session

[00:39:20] double feature

[00:39:22] with both speed and demolish

[00:39:24] that would be

[00:39:26] agreeable and then have Miss

[00:39:28] Congenialia's dessert so I'm like perfect

[00:39:30] I'll take it

[00:39:32] kick an ass

[00:39:34] I don't have anything else

[00:39:36] I applaud the stunts and fights

[00:39:38] they moved the movie forward

[00:39:40] in a terminator way without slowing

[00:39:42] it down or feeling like

[00:39:44] it could easily go away like even the

[00:39:46] TV scene is funny because that

[00:39:48] just reminds us

[00:39:50] that hey you know

[00:39:52] the villain's gonna keep being a

[00:39:54] rascal and the hero's gonna

[00:39:56] kudos to even just how they

[00:39:58] play it here like

[00:40:00] Stallone could have been taken as way too

[00:40:02] serious and killed the momentum and

[00:40:04] he kind of actually

[00:40:06] goes along with the cast

[00:40:08] and I mean

[00:40:10] all their lines are really awesome I

[00:40:12] don't feel like they ever

[00:40:14] at this point he was definitely

[00:40:16] hurting and so I think he just

[00:40:18] said that point was just like hey I just want to

[00:40:20] work with some fun people

[00:40:22] do something that isn't me

[00:40:24] and that works

[00:40:26] it's not like Vin Diesel

[00:40:28] well oh yeah

[00:40:30] he takes everything seriously

[00:40:32] and then he does it so he can do

[00:40:34] Riddick and then still at the same time

[00:40:36] has to be a prima donna but I'm like dude

[00:40:38] you don't even want to do these movies life is too

[00:40:40] short to be an asshole

[00:40:42] and now The Rock's coming back to him because

[00:40:44] he's made too many gambles that didn't pay off

[00:40:46] so it was just like well what the hell so now

[00:40:48] that might be the only franchise

[00:40:50] where the money payday

[00:40:52] is so blatant and yet somehow no one

[00:40:54] cares I don't understand

[00:40:56] oh man

[00:40:58] I'll never get that either

[00:41:00] that's

[00:41:02] whatever no like I said this is one of

[00:41:04] the ones that I've always

[00:41:06] felt was underappreciated

[00:41:08] at the time I mean now it's

[00:41:10] more beloved

[00:41:12] than now most people

[00:41:14] but

[00:41:16] it still holds up to this day

[00:41:18] compared to some that don't

[00:41:20] quite hold up as well as you

[00:41:22] think they do yeah

[00:41:24] did they even give a year for this?

[00:41:26] I see

[00:41:28] Demolition Man

[00:41:30] is in the year

[00:41:32] 2032

[00:41:34] oh wow

[00:41:38] One Wicca

[00:41:40] PD article claims this is a dodge from

[00:41:42] Brave New World what the fuck

[00:41:44] are they talking about? No

[00:41:46] not even remotely close

[00:41:48] it's like a satire spoof of it

[00:41:50] but this has as much to do

[00:41:52] as a boy and his dog as it does

[00:41:54] to Brave New World what are you talking about?

[00:41:58] I understand

[00:42:00] all the Blade Runner cops with the fancy

[00:42:02] guns and armored suits

[00:42:04] and again the total recall

[00:42:06] vibes the whole running around

[00:42:08] stop basically

[00:42:10] all these cops those predicted cops

[00:42:12] also they are flat out militia

[00:42:14] police

[00:42:16] oh man

[00:42:18] the car chase at the end is kind

[00:42:20] of funny I actually like how Stallone

[00:42:22] just keeps getting his ass kicked and

[00:42:24] just adds to the fun because you're just like

[00:42:26] man what is he going to do that is going

[00:42:28] to change differently?

[00:42:30] That also doesn't make him invincible

[00:42:32] like some

[00:42:34] analysts would do

[00:42:36] like no I can't get my ass kicked

[00:42:38] if he had an ego

[00:42:40] on this or the specialist

[00:42:42] somehow no one talks about it

[00:42:44] I don't know if he was just getting burned out in the 90s

[00:42:46] but I'd rather know about those versus

[00:42:48] all the other movies which everyone has talked about

[00:42:50] thanks to IMDB and

[00:42:52] infamous movie books

[00:42:54] I've heard enough about him

[00:42:56] directing uncredited

[00:42:58] reshoots of Cobra

[00:43:00] in 3.1.2 I want to know about

[00:43:02] the making of this with

[00:43:04] specialists I don't care about any of that or

[00:43:06] it's like this specialist and assassins

[00:43:08] for me oh yes assassins

[00:43:10] I'm more interested in the making of

[00:43:12] absolutely I want to know if

[00:43:14] he and Richard Donner did or didn't get along

[00:43:16] I want to know how it was working with

[00:43:18] Banderas

[00:43:20] Wachowski's yeah

[00:43:22] good call on that hell maybe even a good

[00:43:24] Carter sword might be interesting even though I could

[00:43:26] run without that one

[00:43:28] oh man but then again it's been a minute

[00:43:30] so maybe I'll rewatch it

[00:43:32] maybe one day

[00:43:34] yeah I will oh no

[00:43:36] so we wouldn't want to live

[00:43:38] in either of these futures

[00:43:40] but Demolition Man's kind of seems fun

[00:43:42] because basically

[00:43:44] Simon Phoenix just unleashes all the criminals

[00:43:48] it kind of almost

[00:43:50] I don't know why I kind of get a Joe Dante

[00:43:52] vibe from it just kind of like inner space or something

[00:43:54] just the executives are just so

[00:43:56] ruthless they and themselves are kind of funny

[00:44:00] I didn't think about that

[00:44:02] the whole just giant cover

[00:44:04] up and yet because it's literally

[00:44:06] a live action Looney Tunes cartoon it kind of just

[00:44:08] goes for it but

[00:44:10] in a good way

[00:44:12] sometimes when they try to go that

[00:44:14] route and it's pathetic

[00:44:16] we were reviewing Willow

[00:44:18] the other night and we were joking how some of the humor

[00:44:20] varies by audience

[00:44:24] but yeah no this one seems

[00:44:26] pretty nice

[00:44:30] well while looking for stolen facts

[00:44:32] I saw that he considers

[00:44:34] Get Carter in his most underrated movie

[00:44:36] I don't know what he's talking about but

[00:44:38] I will happily disagree

[00:44:40] Simon

[00:44:42] I will put assassins on that list

[00:44:44] not Get Carter

[00:44:46] I mean I'll watch anything over

[00:44:48] I don't know driven or

[00:44:50] we can

[00:44:52] I just haven't seen

[00:44:54] oh man that was on UPN

[00:44:56] nonstop back in the day and I was like

[00:44:58] why it who was allowed to make

[00:45:00] this movie oh

[00:45:02] Junidrushin, Rudi Harlan and franchise

[00:45:04] pitchers oh

[00:45:06] but

[00:45:08] yeah so

[00:45:10] I mean to call this

[00:45:12] as bad as

[00:45:14] you know stop for my model shoot which

[00:45:16] I've happily only seen 10 minutes

[00:45:18] of on TNT and I will

[00:45:20] I saw the whole thing

[00:45:22] yeah

[00:45:24] I don't know why

[00:45:26] it is pretty unwatchable

[00:45:28] I know some people try to

[00:45:30] campaign for it I will say

[00:45:32] take some more Ritalin

[00:45:36] I know you might like on Golden Girls but

[00:45:38] it's not the same thing

[00:45:40] yeah

[00:45:42] watch Golden Girls any day over the

[00:45:44] ship

[00:45:46] funny

[00:45:48] there you go

[00:45:50] oh man

[00:45:52] so

[00:45:54] so one was

[00:45:56] a hit the other wasn't ironically the

[00:45:58] one that made a bunch of money

[00:46:00] it's pretty well liked

[00:46:02] if

[00:46:04] you were to introduce this to people

[00:46:06] how would you promote it

[00:46:08] to him going in

[00:46:11] hmm

[00:46:13] it's the future but it's kind of funny

[00:46:15] and they

[00:46:17] they find you every time you say a curse word

[00:46:19] even

[00:46:21] I'll be on one pitch

[00:46:23] or say like well

[00:46:25] if you think about cancer culture

[00:46:27] watch this movie because it's basically

[00:46:29] you know

[00:46:31] introduce to the cancer culture

[00:46:35] oh man

[00:46:37] this basically started

[00:46:39] that but

[00:46:41] it didn't attend to

[00:46:43] no but I mean

[00:46:45] hell half these Twilight

[00:46:47] Zone episodes are becoming true

[00:46:49] half these features

[00:46:51] we're predicting are even more on the money

[00:46:53] but I got to at least hand

[00:46:55] it to ones who are deciding

[00:46:57] hey you know just

[00:46:59] what if you had

[00:47:01] just literally no rights the police

[00:47:03] control everything and

[00:47:05] kudos to them for finding a way

[00:47:07] to make it funny

[00:47:09] while also serious like

[00:47:11] I never feel like it's running out of steam

[00:47:13] or like any of the elements don't fade

[00:47:15] into each other this isn't like

[00:47:17] half the I don't know

[00:47:19] 90s movies where you watch

[00:47:21] with Tom Hanks or Jim Carrey or

[00:47:23] Eddie Murphy and then

[00:47:25] once it gets serious the last 20 minutes to

[00:47:27] wrap everything up then you're like

[00:47:29] I could do without that I'd rather you be mindless

[00:47:33] but doesn't try to preach to you like

[00:47:35] some movies would oh yeah

[00:47:37] there is nothing

[00:47:39] that's sort of here

[00:47:41] it's not confused in tone

[00:47:43] it doesn't just say like all cops are bad

[00:47:45] if anything it's a spoof of

[00:47:47] cops basically

[00:47:49] they are watching this 24 7

[00:47:51] most dangerous criminals oh really

[00:47:53] most dangerous criminals and I love how they even

[00:47:55] make fun of is like where else

[00:47:57] were we gonna go in the sewer and they still

[00:47:59] want to drive them out of the sewer

[00:48:01] the police squad

[00:48:03] they're like an incompetent version

[00:48:05] of the fear mongering ones

[00:48:07] and kind of dawn of the dead kind of

[00:48:11] they are all they are all threatening

[00:48:13] to shoot people on sight unless they come

[00:48:15] with them and they say it

[00:48:17] nicely come with me

[00:48:19] or I'm gonna drop you

[00:48:25] uh but um

[00:48:29] even though it kind of gets a little silly like

[00:48:31] let's be honest

[00:48:33] someone gets frozen near the end

[00:48:35] and it's a total t2 knock off

[00:48:37] but I don't mind that

[00:48:39] I love that yeah no it's fun

[00:48:41] but compared to other movies where

[00:48:43] they would try and you know

[00:48:45] ape t2 or even

[00:48:47] back to the future like this one just kind of

[00:48:51] it's just very fucking funny now when I watch

[00:48:53] it because it's not that

[00:48:55] it's fake or anything it's just

[00:48:57] it's just an over the top death

[00:48:59] good lord

[00:49:01] that's what you love

[00:49:03] that's what you love with the villain deaths

[00:49:05] that's what they used to have nowadays

[00:49:07] you rarely see that now

[00:49:09] what do you think we're doing all the villain specials on this show

[00:49:13] yeah so I guess

[00:49:15] now I say nowadays it's more

[00:49:17] about oh no we gotta be

[00:49:19] sympathize with the villains

[00:49:21] we gotta make them good guys I'm like for god's sake

[00:49:23] no

[00:49:25] we call them villains for a reason

[00:49:27] yeah they did that with guardians free

[00:49:29] I'm like okay I'm sorry for your RoboCop

[00:49:31] contraption why did you

[00:49:33] become Dr. Morale with your

[00:49:35] animal farm

[00:49:37] but

[00:49:39] it's a ligerator

[00:49:41] but I'm just yeah it seems like

[00:49:43] post dark night everybody wants the

[00:49:45] tragic villain angle but

[00:49:47] you know it's just like unless you're gonna be

[00:49:49] so deep or pick a

[00:49:51] perfect actor and really outline

[00:49:53] this with the villain I really don't want to know

[00:49:55] I'd be perfectly fine with a tragic

[00:49:57] version of Hans Gruber or even Hannibal Lecter

[00:49:59] but don't I don't know

[00:50:01] don't do what they do on the blacklist where

[00:50:03] he just blew up like 20 FBI agents

[00:50:05] and then he's still they're trying to make us like him

[00:50:07] I'm like what are you just

[00:50:09] trying to just push people off and

[00:50:11] divide them for the hell of it

[00:50:13] I mean the one example I always give is

[00:50:15] the one villain well

[00:50:17] you basically you sympathize with

[00:50:19] him somewhat even though

[00:50:21] when he's doing this wrong was Ed Harris

[00:50:23] in The Rock but you'll at least understand

[00:50:25] what he's doing there. Oh yes

[00:50:27] that yeah there's no

[00:50:29] way that is a rare

[00:50:31] mixture of

[00:50:33] I mean that movie got the criterion

[00:50:35] for that's like so yeah

[00:50:37] that but yes that is

[00:50:39] the perfect tragic villain who

[00:50:41] you can understand why he's angry

[00:50:43] or at least do a dog day afternoon

[00:50:45] scenario where okay he's not

[00:50:47] he does not he legit

[00:50:49] does not want to kill anyone he's just using the gun as

[00:50:51] an empty fret you know

[00:50:53] there could be zero bullets in it for all we fucking know

[00:50:55] until like Act Free but

[00:50:57] yeah just I would be more

[00:50:59] interested in like

[00:51:01] a movie that starts out with a hitman and

[00:51:03] he's losing his shit and he's just crying

[00:51:05] he's like I don't want to do this you know see I'm

[00:51:07] all intrigued already because now I know okay

[00:51:09] this is not a macho movie this is

[00:51:11] not even a typical

[00:51:13] assassin film this is a guy with some

[00:51:15] problems

[00:51:17] oh yeah

[00:51:19] an average episode right out

[00:51:21] of an alfton starts with him saying

[00:51:23] you're staying alone in this hotel

[00:51:25] better not see a dead hooker when I come back

[00:51:27] an average episode of power is

[00:51:31] I wonder who's going to do something more fucked up the

[00:51:35] rookie district federal attorney or

[00:51:37] the nightclub owner or

[00:51:39] the guy who wants to kill the nightclub

[00:51:41] owner so yeah

[00:51:43] if you want to make it cartoonish or even deliberately

[00:51:45] trashy just go for it but don't

[00:51:47] just be confused in your

[00:51:49] ethics or you're like wait a second I thought

[00:51:51] you didn't want us to like them now

[00:51:53] because kind of like them yeah

[00:51:55] yeah it's just the one problem with

[00:51:57] how they fight nowadays

[00:51:59] some of the ones it just bugs me all the time

[00:52:03] it's like they're still in comic book mode

[00:52:05] I'm like well it would totally work as a

[00:52:07] comic book it wouldn't work as a movie

[00:52:09] but we're not in a comic book

[00:52:11] right different media

[00:52:13] TV I think it's shit on a little too much

[00:52:17] but what do I know I've just always discovered cool movies there so maybe I'm biased but

[00:52:21] I mean this became a video game I can only imagine

[00:52:25] how simple it is just to play as probably

[00:52:28] I bet Wesley Snipes and beating people up

[00:52:31] one mission and then the next mission beams

[00:52:33] Stallone beating up you know gang bangers in a sewer

[00:52:36] so yeah I like how

[00:52:39] they don't even use a fugitive aspect to this

[00:52:42] no

[00:52:45] they don't even do the whole just come to my office

[00:52:48] so the captain can derail you and he's like no

[00:52:50] it's pretty much once he's out

[00:52:52] he's out and they want to utilize him

[00:52:55] but also kudos

[00:52:58] that's probably as deep as again I think that's most of the Incomps connections

[00:53:01] because anything he's worked on he often will have some sci-fi

[00:53:08] jargon and it seems like

[00:53:11] it's just so funny how the police captain from years ago

[00:53:15] decades ago only the 70s is like

[00:53:18] he's got literally the same game plan

[00:53:21] and he doesn't necessarily even know much about the crooked politicians

[00:53:25] yet he's doing the exact same formula

[00:53:27] you want to kill or cry and bring someone from the past who put him away years ago

[00:53:31] yeah

[00:53:33] and they don't even hit on it it doesn't become formulaic to where you're like

[00:53:37] okay no shit Sherlock I can write

[00:53:39] he's just like he kind of has fun he's like yes

[00:53:42] but he's the only one worth a damn or something he's just something like that

[00:53:46] something like that yeah

[00:53:51] oh man

[00:53:53] I seriously have nothing else in my brain it's just right

[00:53:57] so because this is so it's a joyful movie

[00:54:01] it's clearly not a Sunday movie would you have it as just any time of the week movie

[00:54:05] well I'd say anytime the week that's how I am

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[00:56:58] we're in the cyberpunk futures

[00:57:00] a different kind

[00:57:01] all right have it your way at Burger King you rule

[00:57:06] I am sounding like the get off my lawn you kids guy now

[00:57:10] it's okay

[00:57:11] no it's not

[00:57:14] why is it not okay

[00:57:16] because that would mean I'm getting old and out of touch

[00:57:18] and I don't want to be that guy ever

[00:57:19] welcome to my club dude

[00:57:21] we're all gonna get old

[00:57:22] until I don't know Dr. Soong creates a time travel platform

[00:57:27] that gives us mortality

[00:57:28] I don't know anyway

[00:57:29] Dr. Soong does a build time travel he builds androids

[00:57:32] he doesn't

[00:57:33] and everybody in the family looks like each other

[00:57:35] generations apart

[00:57:37] yeah because

[00:57:39] plot induced stupidity

[00:57:40] it's easy to cast the same actor and play the same different people

[00:57:47] oh I don't know

[00:57:48] but anyway so

[00:57:50] speaking of burgers and ads and bizarre viral campaigns and all this macho shit

[00:57:55] when we're talking freejack and demolition man

[00:57:59] there's a lot of burger ads in both these movies let alone corporate shit

[00:58:02] do you see a cow anywhere

[00:58:05] ask her what that burgers made of

[00:58:09] it's a rat

[00:58:10] it's a rat

[00:58:11] well it's the best rat burger I've ever had

[00:58:15] and you know the funny thing is

[00:58:16] out here on the east coast we've got White Castle

[00:58:18] we've always called them rat burgers

[00:58:21] clip the nails tucking the tails

[00:58:23] it just doesn't look like any meat

[00:58:26] I don't know but they're pretty darn good but there is a reason why they call them sliders

[00:58:35] that's all I'm saying and I'll let your imagination run away with that one

[00:58:38] I got it

[00:58:41] so when did you see either of these cyberpunk cult movies

[00:58:47] and it's funny I don't consider either of these movies to be cyberpunk

[00:58:53] do you say cyberpunk I'm thinking hackers with Matthew Lillard

[00:58:56] and a very young Angelina Jolie

[00:59:00] but yeah that's my idea of a cyberpunk movie

[00:59:05] it's actually got a cyborg in it

[00:59:09] no no that's an understatement

[00:59:11] cyberpunk refers to anything

[00:59:13] whether it's just like that

[00:59:14] I'm just saying I don't think of them as that

[00:59:17] well I actually saw both of these movies first run in the theaters in 91

[00:59:22] and 93 respectively

[00:59:26] so yeah 91 I saw Free Jack on a date

[00:59:34] and I loved the movie

[00:59:38] and you would think for as star studded the cast was with A list actors

[00:59:44] not just Emilio Estevez and Rene Russo

[00:59:48] but Anthony Hopkins

[00:59:50] this movie would not have been as critically panned as it was

[00:59:55] I mean listen I think the visual effects could have been tighter

[01:00:01] there's this one scene towards the end

[01:00:04] where they're going up an escalator in the McCandless building

[01:00:08] and you could tell how badly green screened

[01:00:11] I almost said CGI this is far too early for CGI

[01:00:14] you could tell how badly green screened that scene was

[01:00:18] because there's a lot of visual gaffes in it

[01:00:22] but if you look past that overall

[01:00:25] I think the movie was really good

[01:00:27] and it really got something right about the future

[01:00:33] I think it was off by a few years

[01:00:35] but not too terribly much

[01:00:38] because when Emilio Estevez

[01:00:41] character of Alex Furlong

[01:00:44] gets into the future

[01:00:45] and in one of those scenes that was a little more sedate

[01:00:50] and kind of hey what's going on around here

[01:00:55] he's talking to his girlfriend Julie's friend

[01:00:59] and he said what happened right here

[01:01:01] what's going on with everybody

[01:01:02] he goes things are really different now

[01:01:05] there's nobody in the middle anymore

[01:01:06] he goes there's people at the top

[01:01:10] there's people at the bottom

[01:01:11] and there's nobody in the middle

[01:01:13] I feel like we're getting there now

[01:01:18] I feel like we're not too far off from that

[01:01:20] or at least we're headed there unless we do a 180 real soon

[01:01:24] well and if anything

[01:01:26] car corporations are definitely getting more powerful

[01:01:30] I would not be surprised if someone tries some crazy

[01:01:34] claustrophobic event where they try to do a body swap

[01:01:37] or some time travel and it all goes to shit

[01:01:40] not a brain transplant

[01:01:43] a mind transplant

[01:01:45] your mind will be utterly oblivious

[01:01:48] and it's funny too because

[01:01:51] Amanda Plummer just got some amazing press

[01:01:56] for her role in Star Trek Picard season 3

[01:02:00] before that one of the roles she was very well known in

[01:02:04] was Honey Bunny in Pulp Fiction

[01:02:06] but Amanda Plummer plays the nun in Free Jack

[01:02:12] who is the first person short of the bonejackers

[01:02:15] who are trying to capture him

[01:02:18] she was the first person that Alex Furlong came into contact with

[01:02:23] in the future of 2009

[01:02:26] and for our listeners who may not have seen it recently

[01:02:29] we should mention that he was pulled from an imminent death in 1991

[01:02:34] into the future of 2009

[01:02:37] in fact, Cam what do you think?

[01:02:38] Do you think we should tell everybody a brief synopsis of the movie Free Jack

[01:02:41] for those who may not have yet seen it?

[01:02:43] I already did with the others

[01:02:46] the magic of editing

[01:02:50] don't worry about it

[01:02:53] I'll make it work

[01:02:54] this is what happens when you have a guest on the show

[01:02:56] who's used to being the EP and editor of a show

[01:03:01] and I'm just like wait should we tell this?

[01:03:02] Should we get this in there?

[01:03:03] You've already done that

[01:03:05] it's all good

[01:03:07] it keeps back my opinions

[01:03:09] it's all good

[01:03:12] go with the flow

[01:03:14] I did not recognize her at all at this time

[01:03:16] and it's so weird because I'm a big fan of hers

[01:03:18] I've seen her in all her various TV guest spots

[01:03:21] including Outer Limits, Tells From The Crypt

[01:03:23] and plenty of other movies

[01:03:25] was she the crypt keeper?

[01:03:26] no, but I wish

[01:03:29] that would have been fun

[01:03:31] yeah, it's just Hunger Games 2

[01:03:32] Free I think

[01:03:33] and all kinds of other movies

[01:03:35] and it's just interesting how

[01:03:36] all these other actors is like

[01:03:38] whoa

[01:03:39] where did that performance come from?

[01:03:41] and I mean that in a good way

[01:03:42] like Isai Morales as the Jagger's main intern

[01:03:45] didn't recognize him

[01:03:47] well I knew him

[01:03:48] but I was like

[01:03:49] where did that performance come from?

[01:03:51] he's just so unrecognizable here

[01:03:52] compared to the Mr. Procedural serious guy he often is

[01:03:55] I have not nor will I ever divulge any information for this organization

[01:03:58] and frankly I'm surprised you wouldn't even test me

[01:04:03] I'm not testing you Ripper

[01:04:05] I'm testing the machine

[01:04:06] and it works

[01:04:07] now I know you're saying that's more than you

[01:04:09] oh dude, I could quote this movie chapter and verse

[01:04:12] I haven't watched it in a little while

[01:04:14] so it might be off of my dialogue a little bit

[01:04:17] but by and large I got this in my head

[01:04:20] the 2B RIP was really good

[01:04:22] what's that?

[01:04:23] the 2B RIP was really pristine

[01:04:24] really awesome

[01:04:25] like really upgraded

[01:04:26] it didn't look like it

[01:04:27] oh really?

[01:04:28] it's better than the DVD?

[01:04:30] I mean it's even on Blu-ray

[01:04:32] but I mean

[01:04:33] well when I first got my own copy of the movie

[01:04:38] it was on DVD

[01:04:39] so maybe I need to get a better copy on Blu-ray

[01:04:42] is it a snap case like Warner used to do a lot of?

[01:04:46] oh yeah yeah

[01:04:47] nice

[01:04:48] straight up

[01:04:49] why do you think people pick on Mick Jagger in this?

[01:04:52] he plays it so straight

[01:04:54] unlike anyone else

[01:04:55] like had this been Madonna or I don't know Alice Cooper or someone else

[01:04:59] that's funny

[01:05:00] I knew that overall the movie got panned

[01:05:04] I don't remember any specific actor

[01:05:08] I think now that you're saying it

[01:05:10] now that I'm playing it back

[01:05:12] he was the main one that picked on

[01:05:13] I think the reason Mick Jagger got panned was not for his performance

[01:05:18] but that for one of his

[01:05:20] if not his very first performance in a movie

[01:05:24] he picked a stinker to become a part of

[01:05:26] okay so it was guilty by the search for it

[01:05:28] and I say that kind of tongue in cheek

[01:05:30] because in my opinion this movie is not a stinker

[01:05:32] I mean are there things that could have been tightened up a bit?

[01:05:35] yes

[01:05:37] oh totally

[01:05:38] the pace is a little off but it's not bad

[01:05:40] I love this movie but I saw it in the theater

[01:05:42] and I've loved it every time I've seen it

[01:05:46] you know looking back through the lens of 30 years

[01:05:50] I'm thinking okay yeah I could see where some of the holes are

[01:05:54] but I mean even this

[01:05:57] I mean when Alex gets to the future

[01:06:00] and he finds his old manager

[01:06:04] you know he's all disheveled and run down now

[01:06:06] but they didn't have cell phones

[01:06:10] but he's on a pay phone trying to call

[01:06:14] and he's like is that Julie?

[01:06:16] is that my girlfriend? let me hear

[01:06:17] and he puts his hand over the receiver

[01:06:19] he goes dude these things can see you

[01:06:21] they can hear you

[01:06:23] if they pick up your voice

[01:06:25] they're going to know exactly where you are

[01:06:27] and listen today these things can hear you

[01:06:29] they can see you and they know where you are

[01:06:31] exactly

[01:06:32] so a little bit of the technology was off

[01:06:36] but the underlying essence under the technology got spot on

[01:06:41] oh totally because I've seen so many other 90s movies and shows

[01:06:45] that would try too hard to incorporate

[01:06:48] this is what Coca-Cola looks like

[01:06:50] this is what a boombox looks like now

[01:06:52] it's like none of this shit is going to be anywhere near exact

[01:06:55] if it's 2063 or whatever

[01:06:57] do you remember a movie with Michael Perret

[01:07:03] it was the guy who did Eddie and the Cruisers

[01:07:06] yeah I know

[01:07:07] he did a movie called the Philadelphia Experiment

[01:07:09] mm-hmm yep

[01:07:11] I remember when the two guys from the Navy who jumped ship in the middle of the experiment

[01:07:15] got into the future and they were in a diner

[01:07:18] and he goes that woman has a phone in her dress

[01:07:23] and she pulled out a cell phone

[01:07:26] yeah

[01:07:28] oh man

[01:07:30] and it is interesting how this kind of crosses over with other sci-fi ideas while going in its own direction

[01:07:39] it's considered sci-fi just because of the whole running man, total recall

[01:07:43] kind of similar just corporations just ruling the world

[01:07:46] and just advanced weaponry, militarized dystopias

[01:07:51] but it is wild how demolition man focuses more on all the poor people

[01:07:57] who are basically considered criminals, unwanted

[01:08:01] and military police

[01:08:03] would you like some Cadre Cola with that

[01:08:05] okay hold up just a minute

[01:08:08] I get it we'll get there

[01:08:12] okay so but yeah Free Jack goes more into the kind of just the fugitive vein

[01:08:18] where it's like okay you know instantly everything in the first five minutes

[01:08:22] how is he gonna get out of this shithole

[01:08:24] how is he gonna get with the woman he loves

[01:08:27] just more basic and it has more room like your earlier points to kind of just again

[01:08:34] build up and make have fun with its ideas instead of just feel rushed

[01:08:39] absolutely

[01:08:41] but man I'm still seeing again this make the worst movies of all time

[01:08:47] it's like if a bad not just a bad movie

[01:08:51] if it's a bad sci-fi movie it better be just so predictable or poorly thought out

[01:08:56] if it has ideas and just cool set design and intriguing characters I'm in

[01:09:02] I'm like I'm gonna pick on this one because they're just like oh Emilia is awful

[01:09:06] and I'm like what

[01:09:10] I think he's a little underused here despite being the lead

[01:09:14] but I can't think of any role I saw him in where he just looks like he did it in one take

[01:09:18] or relied on nepotism

[01:09:20] it seems like everyone like you say on the Mick Jagger thing

[01:09:24] everybody is kind of in Razzie's mode where if you're in a bad movie you must be bad

[01:09:28] I was like no that's bullshit there's plenty of great actors that make bad movies worthwhile

[01:09:34] and Hopkins of course picks on this

[01:09:36] and is like dude shut up you did too many Hannibal movies you can just take this as a win

[01:09:42] if you're gonna consider this the worst then you better scrub off some of those bad

[01:09:48] listen listen number one you know I love this movie

[01:09:52] but for anybody whether they like this movie or not

[01:09:56] to have considered this Anthony Hopkins worst role hasn't seen The Road to Wellville

[01:10:04] what a piece of crap that was I mean literally Cam

[01:10:08] I have never before of my own adult volition walked out of a movie ever

[01:10:18] until I saw this

[01:10:20] I can't blame you there's a lot of period two scenes

[01:10:23] the worst part about it was that the trailer for The Road to Wellville was so good

[01:10:29] and it was so star studded

[01:10:31] besides Anthony Hopkins you had John Cusack you had Dana Carve you had Bridget Fonda

[01:10:39] I mean it was an all-star cast and it was all crap

[01:10:45] I think I remember it and it is interesting how so many people act like if you stack a cast

[01:10:51] it can't fail it's like well if you forget a script you got nothing

[01:10:55] exactly

[01:10:57] but how many people just want to half ass it and I just don't know why we have to keep telling these producers this

[01:11:02] and compared to all these other movies that were coming out post total recall T2 Judgment Day

[01:11:07] it doesn't feel derivative like some of the other ones that were coming out at that same point where it's like

[01:11:12] okay I like this better when it was called such-and-such

[01:11:16] it's comfortable with itself

[01:11:18] like instead of oh look at that Mad Max Easter egg

[01:11:22] look at that other you know

[01:11:24] it was like why how we're

[01:11:28] what do you like about Free Jack Kim

[01:11:32] probably just it's a relatable love story instead of a soap opera

[01:11:37] you know it's not a gotta get the girl you know

[01:11:40] it's nothing macho or stupid it's just kind characters surviving in a hostile environment

[01:11:45] like that's everything you need

[01:11:47] you know what you put your finger right on and I agree with your assessment

[01:11:51] that's pretty much how I feel about it too

[01:11:53] that's what really depresses us nowadays is like okay stop ripping off the Dark Knight

[01:11:57] great

[01:11:59] I was good the first time you don't have to do it 200 more times and just you know

[01:12:04] what would you say if I told you that there was a proposed sequel that never got made

[01:12:13] I've been working forward to this

[01:12:15] was it going to be more than just made for TV or made into a show

[01:12:18] no regular full-on movie the title was a Free Jack 2 twice jacked

[01:12:25] would you like the premise

[01:12:28] as long as it's not a porn premise I'm down for it

[01:12:31] no no no legitimate movie

[01:12:33] a lot of the same supporting characters and actors

[01:12:39] but different protagonists

[01:12:42] so basically it starts off in the hour present again

[01:12:47] and there is a car just zipping happily down a bright sunny highway

[01:12:56] and then up ahead on the highway is a young mother and a baby in a car seat

[01:13:03] and it's kind of driving very casually

[01:13:07] and there is a tractor trailer with a big load of sewer pipes

[01:13:13] big metal sewer pipes on the back of it

[01:13:17] and one of the buckles on the straps breaks loose

[01:13:22] so now it's just kind of swaying a little bit

[01:13:26] but now because it's not fully tied down

[01:13:29] the swaying is putting extra pressure on the second buckle

[01:13:34] and then that's going along

[01:13:38] and the young mother in her car is completely oblivious to this

[01:13:45] and she's just kind of in the right side blind spot of this vehicle

[01:13:51] and then our protagonist, our hero if you will

[01:13:57] sees what's going on

[01:13:59] and he in his sports car comes zipping up the side

[01:14:04] in an attempt because now the sewer pipes are swaying back and forth

[01:14:09] and it's only a matter of moments

[01:14:12] before the third and final buckle breaks

[01:14:15] and the entire load comes and crushes this car with this young mother in it

[01:14:19] Now I know where Final Destination 2 ripped off this on-made movie

[01:14:24] all these logs falling over in the cars and crushing them

[01:14:29] but shortly after the movie came out or?

[01:14:33] Before

[01:14:35] Before? Okay, so it was scrapped once the movie underperformed

[01:14:39] Yes, so now the guy in the sports car

[01:14:46] is trying to get the woman's attention

[01:14:50] she's just oblivious, doesn't hear it

[01:14:53] she's like singing little baby songs to the baby

[01:14:55] and the fourth, I'm sorry, the third or fourth I forget what it was

[01:15:00] buckle goes, the entire load of sewer pipes unloads

[01:15:05] onto both the mother's car, the baby

[01:15:08] and our heroes all at the same time

[01:15:11] and it's right when they're going over an overpass

[01:15:14] and both cars go over and are crushed and covered by the sewer pipes

[01:15:20] Now, the next thing you know is

[01:15:25] they're kind of the emergency first responders are digging through the rubble

[01:15:30] and they see that the car's completely crushed

[01:15:33] but then one of the first responders

[01:15:36] one of the younger guys, the junior guys

[01:15:38] says to his captain, you know, oh this car's completely crushed

[01:15:41] this guy's gonna be dead

[01:15:43] and then there's nobody here

[01:15:45] what do you mean, there's nobody here

[01:15:47] that's what I'm telling you

[01:15:48] there's no way anybody could have gotten out

[01:15:50] there's no body

[01:15:52] there's nothing, he's gone

[01:15:54] completely vanished

[01:15:56] jump to the future

[01:15:58] 20 years

[01:16:00] so basically we're following a thread here

[01:16:03] but it's still a different story, different people

[01:16:06] jump to the future

[01:16:08] and that the guy gets to the future

[01:16:12] and it turns out that

[01:16:15] he was never actually supposed to have died

[01:16:19] unlike Alex Furlong who was going to die in that movie

[01:16:24] you know, so they pulled him out

[01:16:26] this guy wasn't supposed to die

[01:16:28] this guy was supposed to save the young mother

[01:16:32] and because there was a news chopper overhead

[01:16:36] they knew exactly when and where it happened

[01:16:40] now he had had an ex-girlfriend

[01:16:44] who he had broken up with

[01:16:47] try to follow this story, it's a really fascinating story

[01:16:50] the ex-girlfriend he had broken up with

[01:16:52] she goes and gets married

[01:16:54] and then turns out her husband contracts some illness

[01:16:57] and he's dying and dies

[01:17:00] but he's rich in the future

[01:17:03] because he'd come in a lot of money or something

[01:17:06] anyway, the guy was rich

[01:17:07] so he had the money to arrange

[01:17:10] to have this guy jacked in the past

[01:17:14] and so what happens is

[01:17:17] is that they're in there

[01:17:19] he wants this guy's body

[01:17:20] because he knew that his wife had once loved this guy

[01:17:23] so it would be a body that he could get into

[01:17:26] and when that happens

[01:17:31] a whole bunch of other stuff happens

[01:17:32] and everybody finally realizes what happened

[01:17:34] and how it happened

[01:17:35] now the whole idea is

[01:17:37] because the guy actually got into his body

[01:17:40] but our hero's mind was saved by somebody

[01:17:46] we don't know who yet

[01:17:48] on the spiritual switchboard

[01:17:49] it didn't get obliterated

[01:17:51] when our antagonist actually got

[01:17:54] and took possession of the body

[01:17:56] and was living in it

[01:17:58] so now our protagonist

[01:18:03] who has a limited amount of time

[01:18:05] on the spiritual switchboard

[01:18:07] and the people who are trying to get his body back

[01:18:11] that's where the twice jacked part comes in

[01:18:13] because this one guy's body

[01:18:15] literally gets jacked from the past into the future

[01:18:18] and then they've got to steal it back

[01:18:20] and get the guy out of his body

[01:18:22] then the whole thing resolves

[01:18:26] obviously the way you'd see it flashing out

[01:18:29] they get the body back

[01:18:30] they kill the guy who stole his body in the first place

[01:18:34] but now he's got to get home

[01:18:36] because now he's in the future

[01:18:37] he doesn't want to stay in the present

[01:18:40] he's got a past to get back to

[01:18:42] and it's like well we've only ever brought people forward

[01:18:44] we've never tried it

[01:18:45] sending somebody back

[01:18:46] and we would have to send them back

[01:18:48] at the exact same moment we pulled them out

[01:18:50] okay so that actually happens

[01:18:52] within a split second

[01:18:54] a split second of when they pulled them out the first time

[01:18:56] he goes oh and you know with the temporal displacement

[01:18:59] it's probably going to knock him out

[01:19:00] so they set up this thing

[01:19:02] where they're going to give him like an adrenaline shot

[01:19:04] the instant he gets back to the past

[01:19:07] and that happens

[01:19:08] so he gets there

[01:19:10] back in his body

[01:19:11] back in his car

[01:19:13] right before the accident happens

[01:19:16] and he pushes the car to safety

[01:19:18] and they both survive

[01:19:20] and all is well

[01:19:22] and the only thing that was a traffic accident

[01:19:24] where the truck lost its load

[01:19:27] but nobody was killed

[01:19:29] that's how that movie ends

[01:19:31] what do you think?

[01:19:36] it seems like it's a retread

[01:19:38] and then a minor

[01:19:40] I didn't promise you a fellow

[01:19:42] it doesn't have to be Shakespeare

[01:19:44] it says it's going to be Shakespeare

[01:19:46] if they change the title

[01:19:48] I would be curious

[01:19:50] but

[01:19:52] that would lend itself

[01:19:54] to of course

[01:19:56] an adult themed version of the feature

[01:19:58] Free Jack 2, Twice Jacked

[01:20:02] yep

[01:20:04] but I digress

[01:20:06] it sounds also like they're incorporating

[01:20:08] almost post Back to the Future

[01:20:10] tropes as well as

[01:20:12] pre-Matrix stuff where everyone's

[01:20:14] oh and I forgot to tell you

[01:20:16] in a direct call back

[01:20:18] to when his girlfriend

[01:20:20] Renee Russo

[01:20:22] sees the crash happen

[01:20:24] and she screams

[01:20:26] and they zero in on her face

[01:20:28] his girlfriend

[01:20:30] is watching the news

[01:20:32] sees the crash

[01:20:34] and they zero in her face when she screams

[01:20:36] so it's a big total

[01:20:38] like connected mirror universe

[01:20:40] instead of

[01:20:42] yes oh and one of the things I forgot to tell you

[01:20:44] is Renee Russo

[01:20:46] would have played a cameo of her same character

[01:20:48] because this

[01:20:50] in the future it would have taken place

[01:20:52] before Alex had gotten to the future

[01:20:54] so he was 2009

[01:20:56] so this would have been a few years before

[01:20:58] their whole adventure had happened

[01:21:00] and

[01:21:02] that the girlfriend

[01:21:04] of the protagonist

[01:21:06] worked for the same

[01:21:08] McCandless company

[01:21:10] that Renee Russo

[01:21:12] worked for

[01:21:14] she was looking for her help

[01:21:16] and trying to make the body steal back happen

[01:21:20] oh man

[01:21:22] so she's prompting the story

[01:21:24] as opposed to just

[01:21:26] hey look at how we're connected

[01:21:28] correct

[01:21:30] did you find out about this

[01:21:32] basically

[01:21:34] what had happened was

[01:21:36] when she's asking for help

[01:21:38] she knew that her boyfriend

[01:21:40] that her boss' boyfriend Alex Furlong

[01:21:42] whatever had disappeared

[01:21:44] and it was surmised

[01:21:46] that if there was no body

[01:21:48] once the technology had appeared

[01:21:50] that maybe that had happened with him

[01:21:52] and we look down at her desk

[01:21:54] and see a picture of Alex

[01:21:56] in his race car jumpsuit

[01:21:58] with his leg up and Captain Morgan

[01:22:00] posed up on his tire

[01:22:02] with the captioned pedal to the metal

[01:22:06] and she glances down

[01:22:08] and because she's

[01:22:10] missing Alex

[01:22:12] and was never able to do anything about Alex

[01:22:14] she feels she can do something to help this woman

[01:22:16] maybe make things right

[01:22:18] for her boyfriend

[01:22:20] there you go

[01:22:22] simple solution to a complex premise

[01:22:24] yes

[01:22:26] I think it could have been a great movie

[01:22:28] oh oh oh and the other thing was

[01:22:30] I knew I almost forgot something important

[01:22:34] in direct competition

[01:22:36] with Vesendak

[01:22:38] Mick Jagger's character

[01:22:40] is another

[01:22:42] bonejacker

[01:22:44] a competing bonejacker

[01:22:46] but he's inept, dorky

[01:22:48] not too dissimilar from the character

[01:22:50] that he played

[01:22:52] in Johnny the Demonic

[01:22:54] there you go

[01:22:56] oh my god I'm blanking on his name

[01:22:58] Henry Rollins

[01:23:00] Henry Rollins would have played the competing bonejacker

[01:23:02] and he will

[01:23:04] ultimately wind up getting killed

[01:23:06] either by Mick Jagger

[01:23:08] or in competition with Mick Jagger

[01:23:10] there you go

[01:23:12] I'm glad you brought up Demonic

[01:23:14] Demonic is a total very similar movie

[01:23:16] yes so you said cyberpunk

[01:23:18] I think hackers and Johnny Demonic

[01:23:20] that's my idea of cyberpunk

[01:23:22] Matrix, Terminator, Star Trek

[01:23:24] Star Trek episodes, Outer Limits

[01:23:26] Babylon 5

[01:23:28] if it involves a corporation or people finding the dead

[01:23:30] it's typically called

[01:23:32] William Gibson type material

[01:23:34] well you're not wrong

[01:23:36] I'll give you that

[01:23:38] it's all good

[01:23:40] there are just like any subgenres

[01:23:42] there's even subgenres of the subgenres

[01:23:44] that's true

[01:23:46] so what do you think of the premise

[01:23:48] of Free Jack 2, Twice Jack

[01:23:50] do you think that would be a movie you would have watched and enjoyed?

[01:23:54] maybe as a rental

[01:23:56] maybe as a rental

[01:23:58] it would really depend on how

[01:24:00] good the characters are

[01:24:02] were there any leads attached?

[01:24:04] or was it just on

[01:24:06] like I said

[01:24:08] the only

[01:24:10] Christian Slater

[01:24:12] would have played

[01:24:14] the protagonist

[01:24:16] but Renee Russo would have reprised her

[01:24:18] cameo as

[01:24:20] Julie Redland

[01:24:22] Mick Jagger would have been Ms. Sendak

[01:24:24] and Henry Rollins would have been the competing Bone Jacker

[01:24:26] whose name eludes me

[01:24:28] but yeah Christian Slater

[01:24:30] would have was proposed for the

[01:24:32] protagonist

[01:24:34] that makes sense

[01:24:36] because this was a Morgan Creek production

[01:24:38] and they were pretty much enlisting anyone who had been in Young Guns

[01:24:40] and some of those other Warner Brothers productions

[01:24:44] I never thought

[01:24:46] of the Emilio Estevez

[01:24:48] and Christian Slater

[01:24:50] connection there

[01:24:52] I love them all man

[01:24:54] they're all very undervalued performers

[01:24:56] even with Adam Phillips

[01:24:58] I always loved his cameo

[01:25:00] in Star Trek 6 the

[01:25:02] Undiscovered Country

[01:25:04] hey it helps when your mom's the casting agent

[01:25:08] overnight success baby

[01:25:10] you get to have probably one of the funniest

[01:25:12] lines in otherwise serious mystery

[01:25:16] on a side scroll

[01:25:18] have you seen the uncut version of Johnny Mnemonic?

[01:25:20] I have not

[01:25:22] is there something I'm missing?

[01:25:24] it's a hunt down

[01:25:26] I've seen it on the Superman Blu-ray

[01:25:28] on eBay, it's region free

[01:25:30] so much worth it

[01:25:32] a totally different movie

[01:25:34] extended scenes, you actually know why the villains are trying to kill you

[01:25:36] are they intercut into the movie?

[01:25:38] yes but it's all remastered

[01:25:40] this is the original version meant before

[01:25:42] Sony fired the director

[01:25:44] and did their own cut

[01:25:46] and it's so rescored

[01:25:48] of Johnny Mnemonic?

[01:25:50] yes I'm not kidding

[01:25:52] it's such a better movie

[01:25:54] maybe I'll just look on Amazon

[01:25:56] maybe it's on Amazon

[01:25:58] it's pretty sold out, eBay was my

[01:26:00] main romp

[01:26:02] and definitely do the DVD compare

[01:26:04] site, that's the best helpful option

[01:26:06] for finding alternate cuts

[01:26:08] of different editions of movies

[01:26:10] but it was so cool because basically

[01:26:12] long story short they just

[01:26:14] so rescored

[01:26:16] so re-edited

[01:26:18] you don't get any of the unintended camp

[01:26:20] including the I want room service

[01:26:22] it's amazing what changes you can make

[01:26:26] and I have tried to convince so many

[01:26:28] people to watch it but anyone who didn't like

[01:26:30] it they're like I'm not giving another shot

[01:26:32] I like the ideas, bad execution

[01:26:34] I'm telling you dude this is the actual version

[01:26:36] of the movie meant to be seen

[01:26:38] and these same fuckers are the same ones

[01:26:40] who have seen every version

[01:26:42] of every Star Wars

[01:26:46] any other directors cut

[01:26:48] if you can watch a 5 hour version of The Godfather

[01:26:50] or even Justice League

[01:26:52] give this a shot instead of

[01:26:54] being like oh it's old I don't want to give

[01:26:56] it a chance, I'm like well you lose the right

[01:26:58] to say it's a piece of shit if you haven't seen

[01:27:00] both versions, if there's a better version

[01:27:02] check it out

[01:27:04] so many movies can be improved

[01:27:06] with different cuts

[01:27:10] and how is it identified as

[01:27:12] the German version?

[01:27:16] you know what I'll give you the DVD compare

[01:27:18] I've got a website that there's different editions and everything

[01:27:20] hell even the Blu-ray forums are very helpful

[01:27:24] they've got one, they've got a Blu-ray

[01:27:26] here of Johnny Mnemonic in

[01:27:28] black and white

[01:27:30] yeah now that's the theatrical

[01:27:32] that's an American version

[01:27:34] just

[01:27:36] type in Google German

[01:27:38] region free Mnemonic Blu-ray

[01:27:40] you will find it, I kid you not

[01:27:42] alright fair enough

[01:27:44] so worth it and I know they'll bring

[01:27:46] to it in America soon as well as

[01:27:48] new special features so I mean

[01:27:50] there's plenty of time, there's no rush but

[01:27:52] better yet

[01:27:54] I'll just send Keith

[01:27:56] my, see what I did there

[01:27:58] I will just send him free

[01:28:00] re-transfer an internet

[01:28:02] copy I got

[01:28:04] alright

[01:28:06] you don't have to

[01:28:08] get ready to buy a $40

[01:28:10] collector's item, okay perfect

[01:28:12] so I guess

[01:28:14] so you were so fortunate to see both

[01:28:16] these in the theater instead of just do the

[01:28:18] TBS effect where it's on cable

[01:28:20] I saw a time

[01:28:22] cop in the theater too

[01:28:24] oh nice

[01:28:26] oh man

[01:28:28] there's another fun one

[01:28:30] so by the

[01:28:32] time you're seeing all these time travel

[01:28:34] and just like

[01:28:36] complex features with some popcorn

[01:28:38] fun

[01:28:40] why do you think you just

[01:28:42] why do you think demolition man clicked

[01:28:44] with so many after all these years like

[01:28:46] they're always finding a new amusing quote

[01:28:48] about it, sharing

[01:28:50] because in the future all restaurants are Taco Bell

[01:28:52] you're right, so everyone's constipated

[01:28:54] I don't know

[01:28:56] about that but you know

[01:28:58] difficult

[01:29:00] to say

[01:29:02] were you already a fan of the actors

[01:29:04] or was this your intro to them?

[01:29:06] I'd seen

[01:29:08] Stallone in

[01:29:10] you know as far back as Rocky

[01:29:14] Rambo and all that

[01:29:16] not really Rambo

[01:29:18] I think I saw Rambo when it came on HBO

[01:29:20] but you gotta remember when I was

[01:29:22] a kid things were a lot different

[01:29:24] than they were there now, there were no

[01:29:26] simultaneous theatrical

[01:29:28] and home release

[01:29:30] there were no

[01:29:32] for example when

[01:29:34] Back to the Future left

[01:29:36] the theaters in 85

[01:29:38] it didn't come on VHS

[01:29:40] for over a year

[01:29:42] and I wanted that release

[01:29:44] so badly

[01:29:46] that I was willing to pay $100

[01:29:48] for it on an offer of

[01:29:50] a VHS copy of Back to the Future

[01:29:52] that I'd been waiting for for a year to get my hands

[01:29:54] on, you know and then

[01:29:56] after a while it was

[01:29:58] do you do that or do you just wait for it

[01:30:00] to come on HBO which might take two years

[01:30:02] exactly

[01:30:04] everything comes out immediately and everybody just

[01:30:06] is so used to that immediacy

[01:30:08] you forget how long

[01:30:10] you waited once a movie left the theater

[01:30:12] because

[01:30:14] theaters, I mean studio owners

[01:30:16] were looking to milk

[01:30:18] every last cent

[01:30:20] that they could get, I mean heck

[01:30:22] when a movie would leave the theater

[01:30:24] first run it would

[01:30:26] go to the $2 theaters before the

[01:30:28] $2 theaters became $3 theaters

[01:30:30] and the $3 theaters

[01:30:32] were eventually turned down because

[01:30:34] the theater floors were too sticky

[01:30:36] from years and years and years of spilled

[01:30:38] soda and popcorn

[01:30:40] never got properly cleaned up

[01:30:42] but did you guys ever have

[01:30:44] are you old enough to remember discount theaters?

[01:30:46] I am and I used

[01:30:48] them a bunch until a lot of them got

[01:30:50] discontinued recently but yeah

[01:30:52] I've been to drive-ins, I've been to

[01:30:54] all kinds of theaters but that

[01:30:56] is a good point, so many we are so spoiled

[01:30:58] now where you know even during

[01:31:00] the 2000s it would often take

[01:31:02] two to three years for a blockbuster to come

[01:31:04] to cable TV

[01:31:06] it was often on the movie channels

[01:31:08] after a year but yeah

[01:31:10] once movies started even flopping even more

[01:31:12] simultaneously to where they were just like

[01:31:14] fine fuck it, just send it

[01:31:16] straight to blockbuster or straight to

[01:31:20] the movie channels so we can get even more

[01:31:22] instant return on this awful movie, it's just

[01:31:24] interesting how they

[01:31:26] like you say they have evolved

[01:31:28] and when a movie

[01:31:30] was so good you know

[01:31:32] that was just it, the only

[01:31:34] option you had was beg your parents

[01:31:36] or friends to take you again

[01:31:38] otherwise you had to wait and

[01:31:40] it's just even funnier how

[01:31:42] so many other movies and shows have been that

[01:31:44] way because they weren't even available on home media

[01:31:46] for a long time, Wizard of Oz

[01:31:48] is a big one where unless

[01:31:50] you taped it off CBS every year you weren't

[01:31:52] going to find it

[01:31:54] it's just fascinating like to say

[01:31:56] It's funny what you just said

[01:31:58] to speak to your point, I was just talking

[01:32:00] to my daughter recently about

[01:32:02] you know finding

[01:32:04] movies that you want to

[01:32:06] watch when they're not on

[01:32:08] any streaming services, I said this is

[01:32:10] the number one

[01:32:12] reason, I said licensing

[01:32:14] between rights holders

[01:32:16] and streaming services is the number

[01:32:18] one reason why I'm still a proponent

[01:32:20] of physical media because

[01:32:22] once you buy a disc

[01:32:24] nobody can come and knock on your door

[01:32:26] take it away from you, you own

[01:32:28] that physical media

[01:32:30] you own a better resolution

[01:32:32] you don't have any commercials, you don't have any other bullshit

[01:32:34] I mean even when you buy a copy

[01:32:36] of a movie digitally

[01:32:38] from Apple or iTunes or Movies

[01:32:40] Anywhere.com, anytime

[01:32:42] you buy a digital copy

[01:32:44] if you read that fine print it tells

[01:32:46] you that it's subject to certain

[01:32:48] licenses and even though you didn't

[01:32:50] rent it, you bought it

[01:32:52] because you didn't buy a physical

[01:32:54] copy of it, if licenses

[01:32:56] and rights change between

[01:32:58] production companies

[01:33:00] your ability to re-access that

[01:33:02] movie that you quote unquote bought

[01:33:04] will vaporize

[01:33:06] Amazon's been good

[01:33:08] at honoring the deal but I have heard some stories

[01:33:10] about Roku and other places where there's

[01:33:12] especially movies anywhere Voodoo

[01:33:14] is just like, like you say

[01:33:16] you never know how much of it is like

[01:33:18] you say an argument between the companies versus

[01:33:20] hey we were on it

[01:33:22] we were unimpressed with the ratings

[01:33:24] and numbers, we just gotta kill it

[01:33:26] and it's like well the more you kill stuff

[01:33:28] the more people beg for it to come back

[01:33:30] but that's the other problem too. Exactly

[01:33:32] kind of like the original Oat based formula

[01:33:34] of the monster cereals but I digress

[01:33:36] Hey, that would be fun

[01:33:38] Too bad they aren't

[01:33:40] Rob Zombie

[01:33:42] But to your original point

[01:33:44] the thing that I think

[01:33:46] makes Demolition Man

[01:33:48] The fun that it is

[01:33:50] is it's

[01:33:52] a classic fish out of water comedy

[01:33:54] set in this

[01:33:56] really campy futuristic world

[01:33:58] Right

[01:34:00] and Stallone is serious

[01:34:02] but he's working with the comedy

[01:34:04] instead of taking himself way too serious

[01:34:06] like he would in other movies

[01:34:08] Exactly

[01:34:10] And you see so many other movies where

[01:34:12] you would hear horror stories about

[01:34:14] oh, blah, blah, blah, blah

[01:34:16] So and so hated each other

[01:34:18] they were the leads and I haven't heard anyone

[01:34:20] I mean

[01:34:22] at one point when Stallone

[01:34:24] was forming the Expendables

[01:34:26] he wanted Sandra Bullock in the cast

[01:34:28] he got sniped for part 3 but

[01:34:30] that says a lot

[01:34:32] when she was

[01:34:34] just starting up

[01:34:36] then she's a star a year later in Speed

[01:34:38] and at this point she's just done some indies

[01:34:40] with River Phoenix and Company

[01:34:42] and it's like that's intriguing

[01:34:44] And you see again just the evolution of all these actors

[01:34:46] and how this is still one

[01:34:48] of their top 10 movies like it's a crowd

[01:34:50] pleaser and critics

[01:34:52] are again just totally

[01:34:54] grumpy about it

[01:34:56] How cynical can you be

[01:34:58] over popcorn

[01:35:00] It's funny it reminds me of

[01:35:02] Do you remember

[01:35:04] the Schwarzenegger movie

[01:35:06] The Last Action Hero

[01:35:08] Absolutely

[01:35:10] They go into

[01:35:12] the fictional world

[01:35:14] and there's no Arnold Schwarzenegger

[01:35:16] there

[01:35:18] Well Stallone was Terminator

[01:35:20] and Stallone was

[01:35:24] Stallone was a Terminator

[01:35:26] I'm thinking

[01:35:28] Schwarzenegger was demolition man

[01:35:30] No there was no Schwarzenegger

[01:35:32] They mentioned that he was the president

[01:35:34] Both these blockbusters

[01:35:36] were taking aim at their

[01:35:38] off screen rivalry

[01:35:40] and it was just kind of fun

[01:35:42] and that's another movie

[01:35:44] It just tanked and yet now when I

[01:35:46] encounter an average person they're generally like

[01:35:48] Oh my god I laugh my ass off each time I watch it

[01:35:50] So it's like everyone

[01:35:52] has to go in phases

[01:35:54] before they can accept something

[01:35:56] and it's like well

[01:35:58] what was wrong? Was the ad misleading?

[01:36:00] Were people

[01:36:02] just afraid to go because the critics

[01:36:04] were being pungent about it or

[01:36:06] what? I don't get it

[01:36:08] I don't get it

[01:36:10] The closest I see with that is

[01:36:12] I will see people sometimes

[01:36:14] on necessary click bait articles

[01:36:16] say this movie is no trending on Netflix

[01:36:18] I'm like well it always was trending

[01:36:20] You're just maybe the fourth or fifth

[01:36:22] generation now accessing it

[01:36:26] Do you think this is one of the

[01:36:28] many movies in the 90s that slowly

[01:36:30] made people just say you know what fuck critics

[01:36:32] We're just not going to go to those review sites

[01:36:34] anymore because they just

[01:36:36] dig into it with claws all the time

[01:36:38] It's just killjoy

[01:36:40] Here's the thing for me Cam

[01:36:42] I've never listened to

[01:36:44] critics because

[01:36:46] I always had

[01:36:48] this sense that

[01:36:50] there was an innate negativity

[01:36:52] to the movie

[01:36:54] And so

[01:36:56] I can't remember

[01:36:58] a movie that

[01:37:00] a critic panned that

[01:37:02] I didn't enjoy on some level

[01:37:04] And I think of lots

[01:37:06] of movies and I'd be hard pressed to tell

[01:37:08] you one today

[01:37:10] But I can remember a lot of times because

[01:37:12] when we were kids

[01:37:14] you would look in the newspaper

[01:37:16] for the movie times to know what a movie was

[01:37:18] showing at the local theater

[01:37:20] and there was no going online

[01:37:22] and just buying your tickets in advance

[01:37:24] And on the same page

[01:37:26] as the movie listings

[01:37:28] were reviews for some

[01:37:30] of that recurrent movies

[01:37:32] And I remember reading review after

[01:37:34] review after review

[01:37:36] and I'm looking at like

[01:37:38] who's doing the review? It's like some middle-aged

[01:37:40] mom or some old guy

[01:37:42] And I'm like, these people

[01:37:44] don't get it

[01:37:46] They don't have their finger on the pulse

[01:37:48] of, you know

[01:37:50] They might be

[01:37:52] qualified to

[01:37:56] Maybe review musicals

[01:37:58] To review Steel Magnolias

[01:38:00] Or Phil McLuise

[01:38:02] Or Driving Miss Daisy

[01:38:04] But not any of the movies that they're over your panning

[01:38:06] because they don't get the tech

[01:38:08] or they don't get sci-fi

[01:38:10] or something that the overall

[01:38:12] genre doesn't resonate with them

[01:38:14] That it would be

[01:38:16] a giant leap

[01:38:18] for any part of this movie

[01:38:20] to be something that they would enjoy

[01:38:22] let alone understand

[01:38:24] or vice versa

[01:38:26] One stupid trend I saw

[01:38:28] for a while was people acting like

[01:38:30] it must be like this movie

[01:38:32] I'm like, why would it be like that movie?

[01:38:34] Those are two really different genres

[01:38:36] than everything

[01:38:40] You're exactly right

[01:38:42] The people who confuse Star Trek and Star Wars

[01:38:44] Yes, those guys get annoying

[01:38:46] But even then

[01:38:48] Like you say, they're going to be the kind

[01:38:50] who only watch turner classic movies

[01:38:52] And don't get me wrong, I love turner classic movies

[01:38:54] But then

[01:38:56] If it doesn't start Cary Grant or

[01:38:58] Catherine Hefford, it must be bad

[01:39:00] Not everything they do is great

[01:39:02] But even then

[01:39:04] Totally different eras, different standards

[01:39:06] Different practices, different style

[01:39:10] Again, it's apples and oranges

[01:39:12] And it just seems like it's always a constant

[01:39:14] I will see even people

[01:39:18] Really, critics have been really

[01:39:20] hacking me this year

[01:39:22] I've seen them give decent reviews

[01:39:24] I've seen it, and it's like, how is this

[01:39:26] a four out of five star review?

[01:39:28] It sounds like you're liking this at gunpoint

[01:39:32] If you didn't like it, be honest

[01:39:34] But that's the other problem too

[01:39:36] There's just too much corporate media

[01:39:38] So half the time people will be like

[01:39:40] Well, I'm forced to give this movie I don't care for

[01:39:44] I want to seem professional

[01:39:46] There are plenty of critics who have

[01:39:48] had a knack for having hot takes

[01:39:50] And I legit do like Roger Ebert

[01:39:52] I hear them all the time

[01:39:54] And it's funny, I was just thinking about

[01:39:56] Cisco and Ebert when you said that

[01:39:58] Cisco was very cynical

[01:40:00] He would always be like

[01:40:02] This is a nihilistic movie

[01:40:04] Because it has gore? No

[01:40:06] It better be a political subtext

[01:40:08] You've got to call it nihilistic

[01:40:10] And this is interesting

[01:40:12] Half the time people are

[01:40:14] I get that it's hard to write a review

[01:40:16] Let alone be constructive

[01:40:18] But when, it doesn't take much

[01:40:20] It's just spend an hour

[01:40:22] Get your thoughts in order

[01:40:24] And write it down

[01:40:26] And then just say, okay does that make any sense to anyone

[01:40:28] Or am I just being

[01:40:30] Just a grump

[01:40:32] Half the time I feel like they

[01:40:34] Would type it up at the last minute

[01:40:36] And just send in the letter and that's what got printed

[01:40:38] It's like, oh dude

[01:40:42] My grandmother and I would read the same reviews

[01:40:44] As well as other pop culture news articles

[01:40:46] And we would talk about our findings

[01:40:48] What we liked about the reporting

[01:40:50] Or what have you

[01:40:52] And then we'd joke about the typos

[01:40:54] Nice

[01:40:56] That's a lost art now

[01:40:58] Now I will see typos go lower

[01:41:00] Where it's like, oh my god, journalism is fucking dead

[01:41:02] Nice

[01:41:04] I know everyone else knows that

[01:41:06] But it's just sad

[01:41:08] Because there's a skill to

[01:41:10] You're very passionate about what you talk about

[01:41:12] I try my best

[01:41:14] And I think that's a great thing to do

[01:41:16] Because it's just a fun art to that

[01:41:18] It seems like we're now

[01:41:20] The generation, if we're not the junk food generation

[01:41:22] Sometimes we just get people who want to act like

[01:41:24] They don't want to even know how the magic is made anymore

[01:41:26] Sometimes you want to know

[01:41:28] How the magic is made

[01:41:30] Because that reminds you why it's so good

[01:41:32] And I will see so many people

[01:41:34] They're like, no, no, I don't want to see who the puppeteer is

[01:41:36] Yada yada

[01:41:38] I don't want to know how he gave that

[01:41:40] Excellent TED talk at that college campus

[01:41:42] I think we could do that

[01:41:44] Any of us could do that

[01:41:46] If we followed their lead

[01:41:48] Instead of just being

[01:41:50] I'm a loser

[01:41:52] I'm just a bitch

[01:41:54] Nice

[01:41:56] My favorite character in Demolition Man?

[01:41:58] Yeah

[01:42:00] Oh, it's got to be Stallone

[01:42:02] John Spartan

[01:42:04] John Spartan

[01:42:06] You've been fine

[01:42:08] Wesley Snipes is a great job

[01:42:10] He wasn't angry enough

[01:42:12] For somebody that angry

[01:42:14] He was more comedic

[01:42:16] About being angry

[01:42:18] That was kind of the point

[01:42:20] He's a funny villain who does violent things

[01:42:22] Let's put it this way

[01:42:24] This way

[01:42:26] For as badly reviewed as Free Jack was

[01:42:30] And as much as I love Free Jack

[01:42:34] It doesn't have the same level of

[01:42:38] Re-watchability

[01:42:40] That

[01:42:42] I could watch Free Jack every few years

[01:42:44] And be content with that

[01:42:46] But

[01:42:48] Demolition Man

[01:42:50] Is one of those movies

[01:42:52] Where

[01:42:54] If you've seen it

[01:42:56] You know, two dozen times since 1993

[01:42:58] When it came out

[01:43:00] It's now become

[01:43:02] One of those movies where

[01:43:04] No matter what part of the movie it's in

[01:43:06] If you've seen the clip on the channel that it's on

[01:43:08] You can just watch it

[01:43:10] Absolutely, you can soak right into it

[01:43:12] I was already familiar with Snipes

[01:43:14] I backtrack

[01:43:16] I had seen his other gangster movies

[01:43:18] As well as comedies

[01:43:20] Like Dwang Fu as well as Blade

[01:43:22] But yeah, this is my favorite villain role by him

[01:43:24] Because

[01:43:26] He's just having fun teasing Stallone

[01:43:28] And he's like a punk who somehow

[01:43:30] Worked his way up the chain

[01:43:32] And became a warlord

[01:43:34] In a crappy future

[01:43:36] And did you like how they

[01:43:38] Used the guy playing the police chief

[01:43:40] As the same police chief from other Joel Stover productions

[01:43:42] Like the Lethal Weapon franchise?

[01:43:46] I didn't know that

[01:43:48] Because I don't watch

[01:43:50] A lot of his other productions

[01:43:52] I noticed that he was

[01:43:54] Also the guy who played Captain

[01:43:56] Ben Maxwell

[01:43:58] In one of the

[01:44:00] Star Trek The Next Generation episodes

[01:44:02] I believe it was called The Wounded

[01:44:04] I think so

[01:44:06] It's definitely a later episode

[01:44:08] Although in that episode he had hair

[01:44:10] Yeah, here

[01:44:12] He's really trimmed it back

[01:44:14] A bunch and has a giant hat on

[01:44:16] And it's so wild how

[01:44:18] He literally just steals the same crooked

[01:44:20] Politicians and

[01:44:22] Other tyrants idea, they're like okay

[01:44:24] We're going to take a criminal from the past so we can

[01:44:26] Have our own

[01:44:28] Crime fighting agenda

[01:44:30] He's like, well I guess I'm going to take

[01:44:32] The best cop who got arrested

[01:44:34] And sent to isolation

[01:44:36] And I'll have him fight this old problem

[01:44:38] I just have one question, Cam

[01:44:40] What do you do

[01:44:42] With the three seashells?

[01:44:44] Stallone actually explained

[01:44:46] That on a recent Instagram post

[01:44:48] Stop, he did not

[01:44:50] Yes he fucking did

[01:44:52] It's for wiping

[01:44:54] Your ass

[01:44:58] What happens if you need more than three?

[01:45:00] I'll say that's where it would have

[01:45:02] Fallen apart

[01:45:04] It's like when you tell a joke the wrong way

[01:45:06] It's like, okay you bastard

[01:45:08] So

[01:45:10] Yeah

[01:45:12] I shared it with other people and they're like

[01:45:14] What the fuck, I'm so glad I was left

[01:45:16] In my imagination

[01:45:20] That's hilarious

[01:45:22] It is wild

[01:45:24] I haven't seen many of the other actors talk about this movie

[01:45:26] But I've never seen him bash it

[01:45:28] He would be like, okay he's going to get

[01:45:30] This and that's in this for god's sake

[01:45:32] So he would reunite with Bullock and Miss Congeniality

[01:45:34] That's true, yeah

[01:45:36] He was young in that movie

[01:45:38] Yeah, did you like his shedding grin?

[01:45:40] He's just like, I like this dude

[01:45:42] I don't know why

[01:45:44] I'm supposed to babysit him and make sure

[01:45:46] He doesn't blow shit up

[01:45:48] He's kind of cool

[01:45:50] He's breaking the rules, he's giving my boss shit

[01:45:52] Oh my god

[01:45:54] Actually I'd like to amend my earlier answer

[01:45:56] My favorite character in Demolition Man

[01:46:00] Was the girl who

[01:46:02] Face timed him

[01:46:04] Thinking she was calling her boyfriend

[01:46:06] Oh shit, yeah

[01:46:08] Predicted, iPads

[01:46:10] But also yeah, FaceTime

[01:46:12] I mean as it is

[01:46:14] FaceTime's been out for what

[01:46:16] 15 years now

[01:46:18] And nobody's ever given me a naked FaceTime call

[01:46:22] That was a wrong number

[01:46:24] Wait what?

[01:46:26] It was an absolute wrong number

[01:46:30] Man

[01:46:32] What's your favorite line also

[01:46:34] I always quote, you're on TV

[01:46:36] When they're fighting each other and he slams them into the TV

[01:46:40] Oh that movie

[01:46:42] Is eminently

[01:46:44] Eminently quotable

[01:46:46] Hard pressed

[01:46:48] That's the final line he says when he fights him at the end

[01:46:50] I think he says something

[01:46:52] That's silly, cringey

[01:46:54] But just fun

[01:46:56] Like ice gag or something

[01:46:58] He says something

[01:47:00] Regarding the fact that he's just been frozen and shattered

[01:47:06] Does the yell freeze or something

[01:47:08] Yeah, yeah

[01:47:10] He freezes Simon and

[01:47:12] He just says like

[01:47:14] Something wacky like

[01:47:16] Stay frozen or some shit

[01:47:18] Yeah I don't know

[01:47:20] I'm gonna put that one off the top of my head

[01:47:22] I'm gonna look it up while we're talking

[01:47:24] I'm just gonna look it up

[01:47:26] We've got the power of the internet

[01:47:28] While we're

[01:47:30] Who would have known

[01:47:32] Who would have known

[01:47:36] To follow your points

[01:47:38] I really am surprised at how well these movies

[01:47:40] Turned out

[01:47:42] Considering the fact that either the cast or crew

[01:47:44] Was dissatisfied with them

[01:47:46] Or that there was studio interference

[01:47:48] I think they still make a watchable product

[01:47:50] That people like

[01:47:52] Because I see so many other movies

[01:47:54] That because there was so much interference

[01:47:56] It's just you can't even call it a movie nowadays

[01:47:58] There's some movies coming out now

[01:48:00] Where they've hired people

[01:48:02] From like

[01:48:04] Honest trailers to do the editing

[01:48:06] Those guys are comedians

[01:48:08] Not actual movie editors

[01:48:10] What the fuck

[01:48:12] I don't get why everyone wants to take

[01:48:14] Shortcuts even with this AI debate

[01:48:16] We got now

[01:48:18] It's like oh please

[01:48:20] Right

[01:48:22] I don't know the quote about

[01:48:24] When he freezes him

[01:48:26] I think it's just something like freeze or something

[01:48:28] But my favorite

[01:48:30] Quote

[01:48:32] Because it's the quote that I have used

[01:48:34] My entire life

[01:48:36] Because there's not many times you want to tell people

[01:48:38] To calm down or to relax

[01:48:40] Because usually that's the kind of thing

[01:48:42] That offends somebody

[01:48:44] Don't relax and they don't calm down

[01:48:48] So every once in a while

[01:48:50] I'll say to my wife

[01:48:52] Enhance your calm John Spartan

[01:48:54] And then we just laugh

[01:48:56] Because she knows instantly what you're referencing

[01:48:58] Enhance your calm

[01:49:00] Enhance your calm John Spartan

[01:49:02] Well that's so true

[01:49:04] Because when you tell the average person

[01:49:06] Nowadays calm down

[01:49:08] They think instantly oh you don't trust me

[01:49:10] You think I'm being a prima donna

[01:49:12] And in this case

[01:49:14] Yeah it's a double entendre

[01:49:16] He was frozen for

[01:49:18] How many years

[01:49:20] It was like what 20 years 40 years

[01:49:22] I don't know

[01:49:24] It doesn't matter he was frozen

[01:49:26] With super technologies

[01:49:32] First he says

[01:49:34] Is it cold in here or is it just me

[01:49:36] Then he knocks his head off

[01:49:38] He goes heads up

[01:49:40] I had to look it up

[01:49:42] That is awesome

[01:49:44] Now so there's about

[01:49:46] 20 quotes in this awesome movie

[01:49:48] Oh there's more than that

[01:49:50] Send them in and you have to catch one

[01:49:56] Oh man

[01:49:58] Even the police station

[01:50:00] Scenes have some amusing

[01:50:02] Moments too and for an R rated

[01:50:04] Movie it's really not all that violent

[01:50:06] Compared to other ones where you're just like

[01:50:08] Okay I could do without the carnage

[01:50:12] It's somehow they edited enough

[01:50:14] It was able to be a crowd pleaser without

[01:50:16] Being too much for its own good

[01:50:18] Oh wait I got a couple for you now that's coming back to me

[01:50:20] Looks like there's a new

[01:50:22] Shepherd in town that's

[01:50:24] Sheriff

[01:50:26] What was the other one

[01:50:28] You really licked his

[01:50:30] Ass

[01:50:32] Kicked his ass

[01:50:34] Yeah I remember that

[01:50:36] That's where the movie really goes bonkers

[01:50:38] Fun when Sandra's

[01:50:40] Taking the temptation is like oh

[01:50:42] We can curse because I'm

[01:50:44] Supervising this you know no holds barred

[01:50:46] Rule breaking cop I'll take it

[01:50:48] And she's using all the wrong

[01:50:50] Insults to where it's even funnier

[01:50:54] John Spahn you've been fined one credit

[01:50:56] For violation of the verbal morality

[01:50:58] Statutes

[01:51:00] Oh my god and make sure to never

[01:51:02] Watch this on TV the TV edits are

[01:51:04] Bearable oh yeah

[01:51:06] What is it like

[01:51:08] I'll say words that aren't even

[01:51:10] Forget you Mr. Falcon

[01:51:12] Yeah yeah it's just as bad as the

[01:51:14] Die Hard 2 where you're like that's not even a

[01:51:16] Curse word can you at least replace it

[01:51:18] With something tamer like shit or something

[01:51:20] That makes sense instead of going

[01:51:22] Oh it's enough we're gonna have it be

[01:51:24] Frack which isn't even a real curse word

[01:51:26] Unless you're in Battlestar Galactica territory

[01:51:28] But yeah they would use

[01:51:30] Other stuff like I think

[01:51:32] They said darn like just use damn

[01:51:34] No one's offended by damn

[01:51:36] Right

[01:51:38] You know use hell

[01:51:40] Heck fire and tarnation

[01:51:42] Yeah

[01:51:44] Ticket 500 how much

[01:51:46] Do they have to pay for each fee for each

[01:51:48] Cursing I don't know

[01:51:50] One credit for violation

[01:51:52] Of the verbal morality statute

[01:51:54] I'll take it's probably a 20 or 40

[01:51:56] Or some shit I don't

[01:51:58] Way I mean it's pretty much going

[01:52:00] To only the homeless guys they're picking on

[01:52:02] So it makes me wonder if they've

[01:52:04] Ever had to kind of like

[01:52:06] Star Trek or any

[01:52:08] Any other Navy ship what happens

[01:52:10] If a cop's having a bad day and they accidentally go

[01:52:12] Oh shit I spilled my coffee

[01:52:14] Do they just have to be suspended

[01:52:16] For a day or something

[01:52:18] I don't think they had cops in the future anymore that did

[01:52:20] Anything other than wear a uniform and walk

[01:52:22] Around

[01:52:24] Remember

[01:52:26] How bored the cops of San Angeles

[01:52:28] Were

[01:52:30] Sandra Bullock just couldn't wait for something to happen

[01:52:32] Absolutely

[01:52:34] She romanticized the

[01:52:36] Criminality and the criminal

[01:52:38] Element of the 20th century

[01:52:40] Yes

[01:52:42] And it's also just fun seeing

[01:52:44] How she playfully

[01:52:46] Breaks the rules without

[01:52:48] She kind of pulls a captain curtain she does it enough to where

[01:52:50] She wouldn't be suspended

[01:52:52] But you know it's a

[01:52:54] Gray line and it's

[01:52:56] It's interesting too how I mean

[01:53:00] Both these movies are the worst possible futures

[01:53:02] But yet they're just so fascinating because

[01:53:04] Of the execution

[01:53:06] And that's why I've never truly

[01:53:08] Been fans of dystopian

[01:53:10] Movies because

[01:53:12] Having grown up

[01:53:14] The consummate Star Trek fan that

[01:53:16] Believed in a future that

[01:53:18] We're gonna make it everything's gonna be

[01:53:20] All right we're gonna figure out our

[01:53:22] Stuff as a

[01:53:24] Society as a species

[01:53:26] Right and we're gonna be okay

[01:53:28] You know but like most

[01:53:30] Of your other sci-fi is

[01:53:32] Something dystopian and you know all

[01:53:34] Kidding aside all the jokes you've made and rambling

[01:53:36] We've done you know that's

[01:53:38] For me why I've loved Star Trek

[01:53:40] And really

[01:53:42] Wouldn't give you a wooden nickel I don't know what

[01:53:44] It is about these few

[01:53:46] Selected movies like when you came to me and said

[01:53:48] Let's talk about free jack and

[01:53:50] Demolition man I'm just

[01:53:52] Like wow I love both of those

[01:53:54] Movies and yet if you said

[01:53:56] If you'd said 12 monkeys or

[01:53:58] Waterworld

[01:54:00] No just something other something else was

[01:54:02] Dystopian maybe it was

[01:54:04] Waterworld or Mad Max or

[01:54:06] Terminator is awesome

[01:54:08] Or something with a future

[01:54:10] That left us

[01:54:12] Greatly in question as to whether or not

[01:54:14] We were gonna make it as a species

[01:54:16] As a society

[01:54:18] Nine times out of ten I punch

[01:54:20] Out of a movie like that before I

[01:54:22] Even get past the trailer

[01:54:24] And I'm just

[01:54:26] Like I don't know

[01:54:28] Why I love these movies but

[01:54:30] Something about them resonates with

[01:54:32] Maybe in free jack it's

[01:54:34] The classic okay everybody's

[01:54:36] Railed against this guy but in the end he's

[01:54:38] Gonna pull it all out he's gonna win

[01:54:40] Same thing with

[01:54:42] Demolition man but

[01:54:44] Yeah

[01:54:46] I think it's because the satire in both

[01:54:48] Is kind of like RoboCop where

[01:54:50] It's just there's a lot

[01:54:52] Of sneaky stuff and the more you watch

[01:54:54] It the more you find something new each time

[01:54:56] And then it is kind of like back to the future

[01:54:58] Where you're seeing these people from different timelines

[01:55:00] Talk about how it's changed

[01:55:02] And that's where they use both

[01:55:04] Exposition and some comedic dialogues

[01:55:06] So totally the audience

[01:55:08] Instead of like you say taking me on a wild goose chase

[01:55:10] Where you're like I'm confused I'm bored

[01:55:12] I'm horrified

[01:55:14] By the shit on screen

[01:55:16] There was you know

[01:55:18] Apocalypse movies vary

[01:55:20] I love I Am Legend but I don't like Children of Men

[01:55:22] But to each their own

[01:55:24] I mean

[01:55:26] I liked I Am Legend

[01:55:28] I liked

[01:55:30] Will Smith's performance

[01:55:32] I like at the end

[01:55:34] There was hope you know when he

[01:55:36] Got to that

[01:55:38] When he got to the

[01:55:40] The compound that all

[01:55:42] That had all the people who were

[01:55:44] Unafflicted and you know who survived

[01:55:46] And

[01:55:48] Children of Men

[01:55:50] It was kind

[01:55:52] Of like watching the Handmaid's Tale

[01:55:54] You got a whole society of women

[01:55:56] Who because of environmental factors

[01:55:58] And all kinds of other stuff you know

[01:56:00] Can't produce children anymore

[01:56:02] And because of that that's

[01:56:04] Rattled humanity's

[01:56:06] Cage

[01:56:08] Far too tightly

[01:56:10] I could

[01:56:12] I could watch Handmaid's Tale and enjoy

[01:56:14] The

[01:56:16] Struggle for winning

[01:56:18] But I remember seeing

[01:56:20] Children of Men and

[01:56:22] Being like

[01:56:24] I really could have not watched this

[01:56:26] And just been just as happy

[01:56:28] Oh it was just so overhyped

[01:56:30] I'm like okay I'll give you the cinematography

[01:56:32] But when it gets into all the war stuff

[01:56:34] It's so chaotic it hurts my eyes

[01:56:36] I'm just like ehh

[01:56:38] I see so many people praise this

[01:56:40] I'm glad you love it

[01:56:42] I will never watch this again

[01:56:44] Children of Men didn't hurt my eyes as much

[01:56:46] As Cloverfield did

[01:56:48] That was brutal

[01:56:50] Everyone varies on Shaking Cam

[01:56:52] I'm okay with Bourne Identity

[01:56:54] And James Bond

[01:56:56] Oh you want to laugh I'm glad you said that

[01:56:58] Because I can't watch Bourne Identity

[01:57:00] I'm like what in the world

[01:57:02] This movie could have been so much better

[01:57:04] If they just shot it better

[01:57:06] I love Matt

[01:57:08] I love Matt Damon

[01:57:10] I think the Bourne movies could have been phenomenal

[01:57:12] If it hadn't been for the way

[01:57:14] They filmed some of those action sequences

[01:57:16] They only have Shaking

[01:57:18] And like movies 2

[01:57:20] 3 and 5 but

[01:57:22] The first one you should be able to see okay

[01:57:24] Okay I'll have to go back and

[01:57:26] View them again next time it comes out on HBO or something

[01:57:28] And it varies

[01:57:30] And that and the fact that there's just too much new stuff

[01:57:32] I want to watch I don't even have time

[01:57:34] To watch old stuff that was

[01:57:36] Questionable the first time

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