[00:00.000 --> 00:17.200] One thing I know, success is all about momentum. In court, or you can win, you've got to believe you can win.
[00:17.200 --> 00:19.700] But what if you don't?
[00:19.700 --> 00:22.600] Ha, then you better fake it till you make it.
[00:22.600 --> 00:25.800] The Lincoln Lawyer, that what they call you?
[00:25.800 --> 00:26.800] I'm doing it.
[00:26.800 --> 00:27.800] Why?
[00:27.800 --> 00:28.800] They work out of my car.
[00:28.800 --> 00:30.400] But that's not why you're here.
[00:30.400 --> 00:34.600] Jerry Vincent, left you as practice, including the Trevor Elliott truck.
[00:34.600 --> 00:37.000] That guy who killed his wife and her boyfriend.
[00:37.000 --> 00:38.000] Allegedly.
[00:38.000 --> 00:40.000] You checked out well.
[00:40.000 --> 00:44.600] I performed trial lawyer much better than Jerry, until you went off the deep end.
[00:44.600 --> 00:49.200] Do you think Dad's okay?
[00:49.200 --> 00:51.600] Don't worry about him too, honey.
[00:51.600 --> 00:53.000] I want her family back.
[00:53.000 --> 00:55.600] Can we just take it once the better time?
[00:55.600 --> 00:56.600] Yeah.
[00:56.600 --> 00:58.600] It's always been following you.
[00:58.600 --> 00:59.600] I'm not risking my risk.
[00:59.600 --> 01:00.600] It comes with her.
[01:00.600 --> 01:02.600] Somebody thinks you know something.
[01:02.600 --> 01:05.600] So what is it?
[01:05.600 --> 01:06.600] Where are you going?
[01:06.600 --> 01:08.600] I think better on the road.
[01:08.600 --> 01:11.600] Listen, you need a little protection.
[01:11.600 --> 01:14.600] There's something really weird going on here.
[01:14.600 --> 01:16.600] I'm missing something.
[01:16.600 --> 01:20.600] Don't ask questions, you don't want answers to.
[01:20.600 --> 01:22.600] You need this just as much as I do.
[01:22.600 --> 01:25.600] This is your one shot.
[01:25.600 --> 01:27.600] So you better take it.
[01:28.600 --> 01:30.600] Everybody lies.
[01:30.600 --> 01:33.600] Even the best liars give themselves away.
[01:33.600 --> 01:36.600] People are dead.
[01:36.600 --> 01:39.600] Maybe you and I are next.
[01:39.600 --> 01:46.600] We're bringing the dog over there.
[01:46.600 --> 01:49.600] He's still getting used to me working away from home.
[01:49.600 --> 01:56.600] Let's do this first.
[01:56.600 --> 01:59.600] There he is.
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[02:05.600 --> 02:10.600] Oh, chapter of review show.
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[02:26.600 --> 02:43.600] The house with everybody counts cohost Mike Martini.
[02:43.600 --> 02:44.600] Welcome.
[02:44.600 --> 02:48.600] Thanks for having me again or thanks for having me on again.
[02:48.600 --> 02:49.600] It's been a while.
[02:50.600 --> 02:53.600] It's been a long time coming.
[02:53.600 --> 02:58.600] And a show that is part of Michael Connolly's universe,
[02:58.600 --> 03:01.600] but a separate fictional adaptation.
[03:01.600 --> 03:05.600] It is the one, the only Lincoln lawyer show.
[03:05.600 --> 03:08.600] Just wrapped its second season on Netflix.
[03:08.600 --> 03:13.600] To a very good reception if I'm not mistaken as well.
[03:14.600 --> 03:15.600] Yeah.
[03:15.600 --> 03:18.600] Anyone who I've seen kind of just not smack talk.
[03:18.600 --> 03:22.600] It seems to just like not be into these kinds of shows or just.
[03:22.600 --> 03:26.600] Didn't stop after two episodes, but I don't know what they were watching.
[03:26.600 --> 03:29.600] Well, I know some people are kind of like, well, why did half the season drop?
[03:29.600 --> 03:32.600] You know, or it's like, Oh, we only get five episodes for season two.
[03:32.600 --> 03:34.600] And it's like, yeah, they're coming.
[03:34.600 --> 03:37.600] I like how they spaced it out a little bit.
[03:37.600 --> 03:40.600] Even Ted Humphrey was saying something like the, uh,
[03:40.600 --> 03:42.600] the Netflix approach to them about it.
[03:42.600 --> 03:46.600] And they just happen to have a nice cliffhanger at the end of episode five.
[03:46.600 --> 03:51.600] So he's like, yeah, let's do it. Cause then, cause they did the same thing with stranger things last year.
[03:51.600 --> 03:52.600] You know, split up.
[03:52.600 --> 03:55.600] What eight or nine episodes they had.
[03:55.600 --> 03:58.600] There's the same people who probably complain.
[03:58.600 --> 04:03.600] If they go through it in one day, now they have to wait. I'm like, well, I mean.
[04:03.600 --> 04:05.600] What do you want us to do?
[04:06.600 --> 04:09.600] Well, I know what I do. I rewatch it.
[04:09.600 --> 04:11.600] There you go.
[04:11.600 --> 04:15.600] There's always stuff I pick up on the second or third time around.
[04:15.600 --> 04:16.600] Right.
[04:16.600 --> 04:19.600] Especially with can't predict.
[04:19.600 --> 04:26.600] Well, it's, it's that because I know they've adapted like the same kind of.
[04:26.600 --> 04:30.600] You know, from Bosch, you know, that you want to stick through to the main story,
[04:30.600 --> 04:34.600] but also has a few little twists or turns or it's a different killer or something like that.
[04:35.600 --> 04:36.600] Oh, yeah.
[04:36.600 --> 04:41.600] There's always something different than what it is in the books. And I like that little twist.
[04:41.600 --> 04:44.600] That's a good point. So I.
[04:44.600 --> 04:48.600] Have you read most or all of the books or.
[04:48.600 --> 04:52.600] I've either read them or have been listening to them on audible recently.
[04:52.600 --> 04:56.600] So yeah, I was very familiar with the character.
[04:56.600 --> 05:02.600] I had read some Bosch books, some of them without even realizing, oh, that is part of the whole Bosch universe.
[05:03.600 --> 05:10.600] But yeah, my research a while back made me just my mind was blown when I realized, whoa, oh, the.
[05:10.600 --> 05:15.600] The main Mickey Holler characters like the half brother of Harry Bosch.
[05:15.600 --> 05:16.600] Yep.
[05:16.600 --> 05:18.600] I would have guessed it.
[05:18.600 --> 05:24.600] There's many people who still seem to know it mainly from the.
[05:24.600 --> 05:27.600] I think McConaughey movie from 2011.
[05:28.600 --> 05:37.600] How would you say, I mean, it's apples and oranges, but how would you say I hear a trail illustrating the fictional character.
[05:37.600 --> 05:45.600] Well, I think, I think Manuel's doing a really good job with the with the role of Mickey Haller, because I know that they've mentioned the books that it's more of the.
[05:45.600 --> 05:52.600] You know, he was born in LA, but he was kind of raised up in Mexico for most or part of his life.
[05:52.600 --> 05:58.600] You know, so they got the background there. I think, Matthew McConaughey, I loved the movie when it came out.
[05:58.600 --> 06:05.600] And they made a few changes towards the end of the movie, which I'm like, hey, that's a little more sexy.
[06:05.600 --> 06:07.600] A little bit more sexy, but it's like, what was it?
[06:07.600 --> 06:12.600] Where Mickey Haller shows up at the doorstep with the gun when Ross Relay shows up at the door.
[06:12.600 --> 06:16.600] You know, that wasn't in the book, but I like, I'm like, Oh, I like that.
[06:16.600 --> 06:22.600] You see Mickey Haller protecting his ex wife and daughter from this, you know, serial killer.
[06:22.600 --> 06:30.600] And then with the motorcycle gang that shows up and start beating the crap out of Ross Relay and Matthew McConaughey's, you know, character.
[06:30.600 --> 06:38.600] Or Mickey, Mickey Haller says, you know, remember, remember emergency room, not the morgue or hospital, not the morgue.
[06:38.600 --> 06:42.600] Make them hurt, but don't kill them type of thing. There you go.
[06:42.600 --> 06:53.600] It was, it was nice changes there. And like, like I said, Manuel, I think, is doing a spectacular job with, you know, just because, you know, he's the main character.
[06:53.600 --> 06:57.600] So he's going to be having the camera on him most of the time.
[06:57.600 --> 07:02.600] So it's also totally.
[07:02.600 --> 07:09.600] So it's nice seeing seeing the differences, but at the same time when I've been re listening to the audio books.
[07:10.600 --> 07:14.600] And I'll tie this well over started reading the books in 2014.
[07:14.600 --> 07:22.600] Nice to see the crossover episodes like the crossing the reversal.
[07:22.600 --> 07:28.600] And I'll tell you it didn't do the reversal. So the Bosch books that involve Mickey Haller.
[07:29.600 --> 07:38.600] And then it just kind of takes on that Matthew McConaughey sound, you know, Hey, bro, hon, and grow him and stuff like that. But it's like, you see, you don't really pitch your manual.
[07:38.600 --> 07:43.600] Saying, Hey, bro, Hey, when he's going up to Griggs, you know, something like that.
[07:43.600 --> 07:54.600] With the copyright issues that couldn't have Bosch being in the show, which a lot of things were kind of, you know, well, when are we going to get tight as well over in the Lincoln lawyer.
[07:54.600 --> 08:06.600] Broflow in in Bosch. And it's like, well, good luck. You have better chance of making world peace than making that happen with Amazon and Netflix. You know, can you believe CBS passed on this?
[08:06.600 --> 08:09.600] What would have stopped them for making this an addicting show?
[08:09.600 --> 08:20.600] I know that's that's that was kind of weird when CBS passed on it, considering it's like they had a contract and then they're like, Oh, we got too many shows. We don't want to pick it up.
[08:21.600 --> 08:34.600] It's like, but at that time, when they cut it, I was saying, I was saying to my family and I think I even posted on Facebook or Twitter, it's like, you know, Amazon picked this up because then you get crossover with Bosch and the Lincoln lawyer.
[08:35.600 --> 08:47.600] I was at the Jack Ryan stuff now where the John Clark without remorse movie is said to be in that same universe as the John Krasinski show. So yeah, people love crossovers.
[08:47.600 --> 08:53.600] Yeah, crossover also like the Chicago series. Absolutely.
[08:54.600 --> 09:13.600] They constantly can cross over in that. I think a lot of fans are wanting that, but I like the separate entity of it all because obviously it's on two different streaming platforms. So you get what to pay for. But I think the guy who they got playing
[09:14.600 --> 09:31.600] was like the seat. I was rewatching the second season. You know, mostly he was Greg's was known for saying fucking hauler, you know, like, it's like almost like the lance redick saying fucking boss, you know, for as much as they got with the signature.
[09:31.600 --> 09:42.600] Yeah, exactly. There's always that signature little line there. So and I'm like, so I think Greg's, Greg's is a nice, nice addition to the universe for that show playing the role of Bosch.
[09:42.600 --> 09:55.600] Absolutely. I guess I'll do a breakdown and casting crew before we hit it real deep. So this was developed by Ted Humphrey. And as we mentioned before CBS passed on it.
[09:55.600 --> 10:08.600] And, but either way, it was created and the show runner was David Kelly. Many have, you know, been immortalized by LA law, the practice Boston legal.
[10:09.600 --> 10:17.600] And, but yeah, Humphrey has no, has this fair share of giant TV heads as well. The good wife, the unit.
[10:17.600 --> 10:24.600] So many other just very short live but very little straight up sci-fi and mystery shows.
[10:24.600 --> 10:36.600] And there's Manuel Garcia Rufo of Sicario to a magnificent seven as Mickey hauler who, yes, is the charismatic, you know, former addict.
[10:36.600 --> 10:49.600] Criminal defense lawyer who drives his expensive Lincoln navigator has named Campbell as criminal prosecutor and his first XY. We might know her from scream.
[10:50.600 --> 11:01.600] Joining Holler staff is Becky Newton as Lorna, his second wife and legal aid. You might know Becky from how I met your mother.
[11:01.600 --> 11:12.600] Mickey's driver is a former addict and client is played by jazz recall who you might know from my wife and kids and Jericho.
[11:12.600 --> 11:27.600] And then you got his private eye, Cisco, who's also later Mary's Lorna, and played by Angus Simpson of Mad Max fury road and Fargo season two fame.
[11:27.600 --> 11:38.600] And then the list of clients includes Christopher Gore him as Trevor Elliott, you might know him from various DC animated movie crossovers.
[11:39.600 --> 11:52.600] And also a core him plays Trevor Elliott, a video game developer accused of two homicides and then his second client in season two is restaurant owner.
[11:52.600 --> 12:01.600] And head chef Lisa Trammell played by Leonard Perilla once upon a time 24 and
[12:02.600 --> 12:08.600] you might also know her from Spencer City. She's another comedian who's been everything but yes.
[12:08.600 --> 12:12.600] Perilla's character.
[12:12.600 --> 12:17.600] I can't read today Lisa is accused of killing a real estate developer.
[12:17.600 --> 12:22.600] And from that point on there's plenty of other recurring
[12:23.600 --> 12:25.600] movies.
[12:25.600 --> 12:28.600] Mickey's soap opera.
[12:28.600 --> 12:30.600] Actress mother.
[12:30.600 --> 12:39.600] His mentor and on official uncle David legal seagull played by the great Elliott gold and
[12:39.600 --> 12:42.600] knives out.
[12:42.600 --> 12:49.600] Marlene fora as the judge Theresa Medina who is very blind.
[12:50.600 --> 12:58.600] And I'm not sure if any of other actors as well where you're going to go that guy Oh, that gal. Oh, I, that person.
[12:58.600 --> 13:05.600] The district attorney is played by Carlos Bernard. That's right. Tony. I'll meet him from 24 plays exactly start on.
[13:05.600 --> 13:06.600] Oh, man.
[13:06.600 --> 13:18.600] You know, funny funny thing about that. Okay. So I was rewatching season one. This was four, three, two or three months ago. Right. I was rewatching it because I was preparing for season two.
[13:18.600 --> 13:27.600] And I was like, Oh, that's Tony. I'm like, what are you talking about? His character is Bob Cardone.
[13:27.600 --> 13:45.600] She goes, no, it's Tony. I made up from 24. I'm like, Oh, it's not. So I paused it. I bring it back. I listened to his voice. I'm like, okay, I see. Yeah, she picked it up by just the voice.
[13:45.600 --> 13:51.600] She picked up that. Oh, that's Carlos Bernard. He does have a particular voice.
[13:51.600 --> 13:58.600] So it's like, I felt stupid because I'm like, this is my third or fourth time watching it through and it never picked up. Oh, that's Carlos Bernard.
[13:58.600 --> 14:14.600] Absolutely, man. He's been a very prolific guy. He's directed various episodes of Hawaii 50 and now the FBI shows. But I dig how you get this kind of pattern where all these people who were on something like the sopranos.
[14:14.600 --> 14:29.600] The sopranos are 30 something and are now at the basically the third stage of their career and they're helping all these other actors on hit shows for network and the cable TV get comfortable and.
[14:29.600 --> 14:39.600] But yeah, the voice does kind of just resonate a bit. My mother would just recognize him instantly like we'd see something like that of Secretary and like, I bet that Tony.
[14:39.600 --> 14:52.600] Exactly. So is this kind of funny where the wife picked up on that where I was watching it and I hadn't even picked up on it's like, sometimes you're too involved in a show where it's like you for you.
[14:52.600 --> 14:53.600] Right.
[14:53.600 --> 14:57.600] Or over here or something. So, Oh, totally.
[14:57.600 --> 15:08.600] And this was no slabs with any of the different actors that I recognize the building inspector as one of the diplomats and Olympus has fallen.
[15:08.600 --> 15:15.600] And then the guy who was in prison was one of the judges, you might know him as the melting senator from xmen.
[15:15.600 --> 15:29.600] I was blown away by a guy, a decosta from Chicago mad because it's like, Oh, she's playing the opposing prosecutor but I like how they got friendly rivalry but when they're in the thick of the legal arguments.
[15:29.600 --> 15:33.600] Oh, it's, it's not pleasant. And
[15:34.600 --> 15:46.600] I could call out to john tinny as Mickey senior in the flashback you might know him from tombstone the closer and like every other fun movie or show.
[15:46.600 --> 15:50.600] But I think the biggest surprise for me was.
[15:50.600 --> 15:55.600] There's another boss connection was Teddy the motorcycle gang leader Chris Brown.
[15:55.600 --> 15:56.600] Yep.
[15:57.600 --> 16:06.600] And then the guy who played the baller prey played that serial killer on like a season and half a boss. I think it was like season three to five and then Preston borders in season five. Yep.
[16:06.600 --> 16:08.600] All right. So there you go. And.
[16:08.600 --> 16:10.600] So,
[16:10.600 --> 16:14.600] he must, this must have a lot of the same casting department but yeah.
[16:14.600 --> 16:24.600] When he, he's like at the fifth stage of his career because like when he started out, I would see him play like a henchman but he didn't always have a line of dialogue or he played a cowboy and then.
[16:25.600 --> 16:41.600] And then I was like, oh, 10, I started seeing him on just more recurring TV roles is like interesting. So I like how there's a mix of helping out the little guy, the semi known guys and don't get me wrong. David Kelly does reuse.
[16:41.600 --> 16:50.600] A lot of his people who you're going to recognize from other stuff. Jamie McShane another boss guy placed a questionable detective.
[16:51.600 --> 17:03.600] And so I'm glad that he's got a star boost too because he's another one. He's just been working. Now he's like at the sixth stage of his career.
[17:03.600 --> 17:08.600] But the main David Kelly connections I thought was interesting was our main guy.
[17:08.600 --> 17:15.600] Manuel Garcia, apparently he was a recurring role on Goliath, but I didn't recognize him for whatever reason.
[17:15.600 --> 17:28.600] Oh, really? I, I don't, I didn't recognize them either and that but also at the same time once I knew that Manny well was going to be a Mickey Haller. I looked up his IMDB profile but I just kind of scrolled through it's like, Oh, I remember.
[17:28.600 --> 17:34.600] I'd be like, Oh, I like that show. Oh, I like that show but I never went back to rewatch.
[17:34.600 --> 17:39.600] Going back to Greg's he was also in Bosch he played Irving's brother-in-law.
[17:40.600 --> 17:45.600] Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm shame on me for forgetting that. Oh, yeah. So the technical word.
[17:45.600 --> 17:53.600] Yeah, he plays Irving's brother-in-law in seasons was at three.
[17:53.600 --> 17:58.600] I think so. He's in two and three. Yeah, when he's running for like council and
[17:59.600 --> 18:05.600] I'm the Atari Muene. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. Yeah, I wasn't going to take a stab at the name because it's like, Oh, that's.
[18:05.600 --> 18:11.600] But yeah, he was Irving's brother-in-law when so he would show up when.
[18:11.600 --> 18:21.600] When Irving was going through the divorce proceedings and I've been told them that they should catch a game of golf sometime and I think that was the last episode we actually saw him.
[18:21.600 --> 18:28.600] So I kind of like how they like again, the same kind of thing where Bosch characters are switching over to the Mickey Haller show.
[18:28.600 --> 18:32.600] Right. Give them each something fun to do.
[18:32.600 --> 18:46.600] Exactly. Well, heck, heck, even in season two, they had the who played agent, or the FBI agent, Bremer for Brenner played Lisa Trammell's ex-husband that pops up in season two.
[18:46.600 --> 18:53.600] Saying that he testified for Mickey, just to let them know what to say and it's like, No, I'm not going to do that.
[18:53.600 --> 18:58.600] You know, if you want to come and testify, you know, I'm not going to tell you what to say.
[18:58.600 --> 19:11.600] I'm not going to tell you to lie on the stand. Of course, it feels only like money. So, so Mickey just kind of kicked in the curb saying, you know, just get the F away from me type of thing.
[19:11.600 --> 19:19.600] Yeah, but it's fun to see them, you know, see the actors getting work at the same time.
[19:19.600 --> 19:21.600] Absolutely.
[19:21.600 --> 19:30.600] And to just see just these many guys just getting a moment to shine really is just so intriguing.
[19:30.600 --> 19:31.600] Absolutely.
[19:32.600 --> 19:34.600] All together.
[19:34.600 --> 19:37.600] I must apply.
[19:37.600 --> 19:48.600] Just the way this is shot, like the various LA locations just give you a good sense of just the brooding suspense around the corner.
[19:48.600 --> 19:50.600] And the different sides of everyone.
[19:50.600 --> 19:56.600] Apparently, there was a great song that
[19:56.600 --> 20:00.600] was a wonderful song.
[20:00.600 --> 20:05.600] I cannot speak today that.
[20:05.600 --> 20:15.600] The Silver Sun pickups had a new single and they premiered it in the finale for season two and I was like, see, that was a perfect song pick because it corresponded to what was going on.
[20:15.600 --> 20:21.600] Yes, I changed. I have layers and like, see, that's cool.
[20:22.600 --> 20:29.600] Yeah, I think everything I mean season one was was a, I mean, a hit right off the bat. I love how they're doing the camera angles.
[20:29.600 --> 20:35.600] There was two that I actually pointed out to Ted Humphrey on Twitter was the in the pilot or the first episode.
[20:35.600 --> 20:44.600] They kind of do the overhead shot as the link, the convertible Lincoln is driving through an intercept and you get the overhead shot of the convertible.
[20:44.600 --> 20:57.600] And then the season later on in the season, they're doing like this, like slow spin around the courtroom, not really spinning around one person, but there's kind of like panning around the whole courtroom so you can see what happened.
[20:57.600 --> 21:10.600] And in season two, they kind of reenacted that where you go from Mickey Haller asking the questions of, I think it was either Lisa or it was on the defense side where you go from Mickey asking the questions.
[21:11.600 --> 21:30.600] And then you see the Andrea Freeman asking questions of the same witness. I'm like, you know, so they've really, I think I even pointed out to Ted Humphrey or maybe I've mentioned it on the so many shows podcast for the Lincoln lawyers that you know I really like how they've incorporated
[21:30.600 --> 21:35.600] more of LA into season two than what they kind of were doing with season one.
[21:36.600 --> 21:52.600] Yeah, what is it the six street bridge at the end of season two where Mickey Haller celebrating the victory of getting his ooze men menendez finally is clear, you know, right, we can't be retried, you know, they finally got the bad guy.
[21:52.600 --> 22:08.600] So he's celebrating and the shots are over as he's driving over the six street bridge. And it was like, there's a beautiful scenery. I'm like, boy, next time I get up to LA, I got to drive over that bridge, you know, but even using the pedestrian bridge.
[22:08.600 --> 22:11.600] That's connected to the courthouse, I believe.
[22:11.600 --> 22:12.600] Yeah.
[22:12.600 --> 22:19.600] You know, so it's like a little bit more drone shots. They got more shots like the navigator driving around.
[22:20.600 --> 22:28.600] The character too. That's so true. And exactly. Yeah, I mean, you got to incorporate the Lincoln's into the Lincoln like to.
[22:28.600 --> 22:33.600] Well, I'm just happy that they threw everyone a bone here basically like.
[22:33.600 --> 22:35.600] Bill D. Elias pretty much.
[22:35.600 --> 22:48.600] He's worked with David Kelly since Chicago Hope days and was kind of one of the lead directors on Boston legal for a while but I liked how there were some new names in there as well people who had worked on everything from like walking dead.
[22:48.600 --> 23:03.600] To reservation dog type shows and a lot of minorities and just, like you say, the camera angles are just really vibrant and good at just bringing life to it instead of being over edited or confusing.
[23:03.600 --> 23:06.600] Like it's just it.
[23:06.600 --> 23:10.600] It, it echoes the mood that you're filling in the room versus.
[23:10.600 --> 23:12.600] I'm not sure what's going on.
[23:12.600 --> 23:25.600] Yeah, exactly. And they kind of immerse you with the various camera angles as well. So which is nice, you know, cinematographer or cinematographer beautiful and both seasons it was well done.
[23:25.600 --> 23:31.600] In fact, I even reached out to Ted Humphrey on Twitter, obviously, but I reached out to him.
[23:32.600 --> 23:42.600] When I saw the trailer for when I when he finished the five episodes and you saw the, you know, next month, you know, with the next five episodes.
[23:42.600 --> 23:53.600] They had in the trailer, the shot from episode nine, where Mickey Haller's looking up at the skyline of LA and you can see like the smog or cloud.
[23:54.600 --> 24:02.600] And I was like, Oh, that was a beautiful shot. So I reached out to him saying, you know, I really liked that shot and I didn't know.
[24:02.600 --> 24:04.600] He goes, Oh, yeah.
[24:04.600 --> 24:10.600] He responded back saying that he can't wait for people to see that episode because it was episode nine, which he also directed.
[24:10.600 --> 24:13.600] Oh, that's right. I did see his name at the end of one.
[24:13.600 --> 24:14.600] Yep.
[24:14.600 --> 24:20.600] He forgot to episode nine, but also another fun thing is he actually has a cameo in that episode.
[24:21.600 --> 24:26.600] Yes. And I kind of picked up on the first time I watched it because you kind of see the camera pan.
[24:26.600 --> 24:33.600] As this guy is walking through the hallway when Marna is kind of chanting something to herself, like the universe is working for me.
[24:33.600 --> 24:36.600] Oh, I remember me as a guy who looked at her like the hell.
[24:36.600 --> 24:46.600] Yeah, the guy that's walking by looking at her going, what the hell's with her? That's Ted Humphrey. So, so when I saw that he had a cameo, I think Tracy Phillips mentioned it.
[24:46.600 --> 24:55.600] So when I was rewatching, I'm like, okay, it was that scene where I thought originally, okay, this has got to be a cameo so I'm sorry I just didn't look into it.
[24:55.600 --> 24:57.600] At the time.
[24:57.600 --> 25:10.600] It's like, so the shots in the, in the scenery and, you know, immersing, like you said, immersing the, the viewers into each shot in the into each episode it's really fun thing to do.
[25:11.600 --> 25:25.600] And I like how everyone's just like looking at each other instead of just the paranoid like angry glances they're like, okay, walk this way, you know, the, the press is coming this way. Oh, we still need a moment to talk.
[25:25.600 --> 25:28.600] Times up.
[25:29.600 --> 25:39.600] I know I'm kind of going all over the place too but that flashback and earlier in season one, you know, one of the reporters name is Conley because Michael Hollard.
[25:39.600 --> 25:40.600] I know that.
[25:40.600 --> 25:57.600] Yeah, calls my reporters are even says it by name it's like, or he says something that's like, you know, and but yeah, he calls one of the reporters Conley and it's like if you were to look back at like pictures of Michael Conley was younger, you kind of have the same kind of look, you know, go tea glasses.
[25:57.600 --> 26:01.600] And he does in journalism briefly. Yes, he worked.
[26:01.600 --> 26:11.600] I think he did the work the crime beat back in the back when he first started getting going before he started publishing books so he was a reporter way back when and.
[26:11.600 --> 26:19.600] Sweet. And in fact, it took him like what is what I remember correctly it took him like three, four years to write the first book even.
[26:19.600 --> 26:32.600] So you go from, from that to having a book out every year it's, it's, I mean, but he also keeps really busy. I mean, he's had, I mean, so he's make, so it was the Lincoln lawyer movie.
[26:32.600 --> 26:38.600] Well, before that it was blood, blood work. Yeah, the Clint Eastwood.
[26:38.600 --> 26:47.600] Yeah, but he didn't get a lot of time on set in fact I think he even said that he had to have like almost permission to even go on set sometimes.
[26:47.600 --> 26:58.600] He had to have like given him an advance notice of when he was going to drop by and it is, you know, you think it's like the author of the book you think you'd want his input on stuff and that's why.
[26:58.600 --> 27:06.600] That's why I never really cared for the movies. I mean, even the first time I watched it, I hadn't even read the book and like, it's kind of.
[27:07.600 --> 27:22.600] Can't be or something I don't know, but yeah, I cared for it and I read people saying all the books way better because the books, you know, it goes in more depth as most books do but also the, the ending is totally different than in the movie.
[27:23.600 --> 27:35.600] The last part of that movie like just has Clint Eastwood just getting into random arguments with cops and I don't know why in any mystery movie you want to show part of someone's face as they're doing the murder.
[27:35.600 --> 27:37.600] Yeah, exactly.
[27:38.600 --> 27:51.600] It's supposed to be a mystery and suspense, but you know, like going back to so Michael Connolly has been, you know, super busy, especially since Bosch has taken off because he's been working on that and then last couple of years it's been with the Lincoln lawyer.
[27:51.600 --> 28:00.600] They were shooting a pilot, which is wide enough Campbell kind of stopped being in episodes after episode six of season two.
[28:00.600 --> 28:04.600] I was wondering about that or she was filming a movie at the time.
[28:04.600 --> 28:11.600] I think that was based off of a Michael Connolly short called Avalon, they shot a pilot on Catalina Island.
[28:11.600 --> 28:17.600] It was supposed to take like a detective on Catalina Island and a case that she's working.
[28:17.600 --> 28:22.600] And I love the premise, but when I heard that nev Campbell wasn't going to be in season two as much.
[28:22.600 --> 28:29.600] And then we get the first five episodes drop of Michael she's in every episode. Hey, they're flirting. They're getting along. It's awesome.
[28:29.600 --> 28:42.600] They stopped flirting and she's pissed that he, you know, that Mickey Hallard used her and Haley has a way to try to get Andrew off the case. And that's like, but we were able to see her through all five episodes.
[28:42.600 --> 28:53.600] I'm like, Oh, this is awesome. And then the sixth episode dropped with the, you know, six through 10. Right. And then, like I said, in episode six, they, as.
[28:53.600 --> 28:56.600] So, you know, separate ways.
[28:56.600 --> 28:59.600] And during separate ways.
[28:59.600 --> 29:09.600] Exactly. So then we don't see her after that. And I'm like, Oh, okay. So that's when that's when she was off filming that pilot episode of.
[29:10.600 --> 29:24.600] Which actually from last I heard it. I think they're still trying to shop it around to see if anybody will pick it up. It's one of those that were filmed in the hopes of maybe CBS getting it or whatever I think it was CBS or something like that. But I can't remember for sure.
[29:24.600 --> 29:25.600] Yeah.
[29:25.600 --> 29:33.600] It wouldn't take much to just re title movies and shows half the time these days and just ship them to to be shipped to Hulu.
[29:34.600 --> 29:40.600] Or just like what they did with the legacy freebie, you know, but it's obviously an offshoot of Amazon, but.
[29:40.600 --> 29:47.600] So true. Yeah. Watch legacy was there to promote that division of Amazon.
[29:47.600 --> 30:01.600] So I think the biggest casting surprise for me was Judge Mary Holder, the chief judge of LA who's found in a scandal and played by Lisa Gay Hamilton who again, you know, shot to fame on David E. Kelly's the practice.
[30:01.600 --> 30:16.600] And then she's been on plenty of other movies and shows, including minimalist or an age Jackie Brown, some of all fears of the soloist and what did you think about that final reveal. I don't want to give everything away but I mean, it was.
[30:17.600 --> 30:37.600] That was season one. So that was season one. So I think we can spoil that a little bit. Okay. Obviously, I read the books. So that happens in the book. What happens at the end of season one where Mickey Haller kind of goes or, you know, goes in the indoor office and then confronts her and she's obviously, you know, saying I could end you right now.
[30:37.600 --> 30:44.600] Right. So I read the book. So I, but you never knew, you know, because you didn't know if things were going to switch around from the book to the show.
[30:44.600 --> 30:48.600] And there's 600 letters to each mystery that you got to still dive into.
[30:48.600 --> 30:53.600] Like dive into, but also they don't really show their cards in the Lincoln lawyer because.
[30:53.600 --> 30:54.600] Yeah.
[30:54.600 --> 31:03.600] And when it came to season one where Mickey Haller thought it was when he was trying, where he was trying to get.
[31:04.600 --> 31:09.600] He's there's been that men, men and as a new trial. Yes.
[31:09.600 --> 31:16.600] Character was in both the movie version and in this version and I like how they carried it on to season two where they're like, hey, we still got to conclude this.
[31:16.600 --> 31:23.600] Exactly. I like how they kind of ended ended it on season one with like the way they did because it's like, well, there's still a killer out there.
[31:24.600 --> 31:40.600] So, so it's like, so Mickey was told by Greg's, but you don't hear the audio, but Greg's just telling them that the detective that was working with Nev Campbell, Jamie McShane's character.
[31:40.600 --> 31:41.600] Yeah.
[31:41.600 --> 31:42.600] Yeah.
[31:43.600 --> 31:44.600] Yeah.
[31:44.600 --> 31:51.600] And then the character was, was the one that had Lisa Perez go tell.
[31:51.600 --> 31:59.600] Glory days to get the hell out of town or they'll make trouble for it for the Jesus men, men and as trial.
[32:00.600 --> 32:11.600] So it's like, and then like with the judge holder, it's like, I can't remember if it was Greg's or if it, no, it was Cisco that found the connection between holder.
[32:11.600 --> 32:16.600] Her husband and the juror number seven, which turned out to be the killer.
[32:16.600 --> 32:17.600] Oh, yeah.
[32:17.600 --> 32:18.600] Yeah.
[32:18.600 --> 32:22.600] Very Vincent. So it's like, you don't, you don't see the evidence. They just kind of.
[32:22.600 --> 32:26.600] Well, here it is, you know, so at the end of the season or at the end of the season one, you know.
[32:27.600 --> 32:35.600] Mickey Hallard's in the office and confronts holder about it. And Greg's is outside the door with pair of handcuffs for. So.
[32:35.600 --> 32:40.600] On the other side of the lieutenant guy who had kind of just entered the.
[32:40.600 --> 32:46.600] You know, kind of let the restaurant owner gal kind of hang herself and then act like we got our killer.
[32:46.600 --> 32:53.600] I was so used to seeing him on like two other procedures recently and same kind of where it's just very much like.
[32:54.600 --> 33:04.600] Where you're just like, man, some sloppy police were even though some of these guys do turn out to be bad apples, but then there's still some of the ones who are.
[33:04.600 --> 33:06.600] Again, like just.
[33:06.600 --> 33:09.600] This person could have gone away for a long time.
[33:09.600 --> 33:12.600] Yeah, exactly wrong.
[33:12.600 --> 33:16.600] Exactly. And that's.
[33:16.600 --> 33:21.600] I don't know how much of that is life. You know, because.
[33:21.600 --> 33:26.600] There's a lot of people out there and in all walks of life, please.
[33:26.600 --> 33:35.600] Yeah, but it's like, but it's also a fictional books, you know, fictional show, which, and it.
[33:35.600 --> 33:40.600] Kind of makes you think a little bit at the same time. So if anything, it just makes you have a lookout for.
[33:40.600 --> 33:45.600] Stuff when it does happen in real life, like I saw there was like a report I think.
[33:46.600 --> 33:55.600] This year, this year where there was like some FBI informant who had been at some BLM riots causing chaos and it just sounded like the whole thing where.
[33:55.600 --> 33:59.600] This was off the grid and not well thought out and this guy was doing more harm than good.
[33:59.600 --> 34:04.600] And I was like, man, this sounds like a bad episode of the higher 24. And then, yeah, really.
[34:04.600 --> 34:05.600] On this.
[34:05.600 --> 34:12.600] With the attorneys. I mean, I look at the power TV show franchise on stars, which is edgy and everything. And there's.
[34:12.600 --> 34:28.600] So many different career criminals who have a legal business, as well as attorneys who some of who are breaking the law just to put other bad apples away, even though they're also bad apples. So I mean, it does bring in just so many.
[34:29.600 --> 34:42.600] I mean, really Donovan kind of did that where they were mocking celebrities who don't believe in what they claim to represent and shady business managers and talent agents so it.
[34:42.600 --> 34:50.600] I applaud any work of fiction that can bring up topics that are otherwise clickbait or hard to discuss in real life.
[34:50.600 --> 34:51.600] Yep.
[34:51.600 --> 34:53.600] Yeah, exactly.
[34:54.600 --> 34:56.600] So, but we never.
[34:56.600 --> 35:04.600] One of the things that when we get into season two of the Lincoln lawyer, we don't know who replaces who replaced holder as the.
[35:04.600 --> 35:08.600] You know, Supreme Court judge and I was curious about who replaced her.
[35:08.600 --> 35:14.600] Yeah, I don't know if they just figured, well, let it breathe. Have that be a surprise.
[35:14.600 --> 35:17.600] Do they ever.
[35:17.600 --> 35:20.600] In the books, do they ever revisit that.
[35:21.600 --> 35:23.600] I don't think so either.
[35:23.600 --> 35:28.600] There you go. I guess they figured a whoever took her spot can't be anywhere near as.
[35:28.600 --> 35:31.600] But as people bribed.
[35:31.600 --> 35:36.600] I can't really go back to that well again. So who cares of the new Supreme Court judges.
[35:36.600 --> 35:38.600] I'll tell it.
[35:38.600 --> 35:41.600] You knew there was going to be some dirt on both.
[35:41.600 --> 35:44.600] You know, people who Mickey's defending.
[35:45.600 --> 35:51.600] But you just didn't know how or where it was going to come up. And then when it did, it still shocked you a bit, I guess, because it was like.
[35:51.600 --> 35:56.600] Okay, so you didn't do that crime, but you still got another awful crime.
[35:56.600 --> 35:58.600] Yeah, exactly. So I still feel bad.
[35:58.600 --> 36:03.600] You're just because you're innocent of one thing doesn't make you.
[36:03.600 --> 36:07.600] Innocent of everything else or not guilty of something else.
[36:07.600 --> 36:10.600] Right. It doesn't mean you're completely clean.
[36:10.600 --> 36:12.600] Exactly.
[36:13.600 --> 36:18.600] That's if we're going to dive into or that's the ending of end of season two, which is.
[36:18.600 --> 36:26.600] It was different than in the book. So if you guys are any listeners out there, you know, go ahead and read the books and you can find out.
[36:26.600 --> 36:36.600] What was originally written is also very fun. You know, there's a fun little ending, different differences and everything.
[36:37.600 --> 36:42.600] If you like the season two is, you know, go back and read the fifth witness for.
[36:42.600 --> 36:45.600] It's a pretty tragic end, though. I,
[36:45.600 --> 36:55.600] he has that one subplot where he works with the detectives and his ex to help put this one escort in.
[36:55.600 --> 37:00.600] Like protective custody and lo and behold, you know,
[37:01.600 --> 37:07.600] he gets an anonymous call from the Morgatin. It's saying, Hey, this person claimed to have known you. You were the contact.
[37:07.600 --> 37:14.600] And he's like, I don't recognize that name. Oh, it's the escort sex worker under a different name and murdered her.
[37:14.600 --> 37:22.600] We thought she got away clean, like just living at a resort in Hawaii. And it's like, Oh, no, not good.
[37:22.600 --> 37:26.600] Yeah, she said she was going to spend time with her mom in Hawaii.
[37:27.600 --> 37:29.600] And then, yeah, it's.
[37:29.600 --> 37:34.600] I recently, within the last month I was relistening to the gods of guilt.
[37:34.600 --> 37:38.600] Because I was hoping that would be a future season of,
[37:38.600 --> 37:43.600] of the Lincoln lawyer and obviously season two, the end of season two sets of 26.
[37:43.600 --> 37:45.600] Oh, by the way, guys.
[37:45.600 --> 37:51.600] What Michael Connolly's 26 now in the fifth Lincoln lawyer.
[37:52.600 --> 37:56.600] But the gods of guilt was a great book. Then I was so when I was listening to it, I'm like, Oh, yeah.
[37:56.600 --> 38:01.600] I think I've only read or listened to it like once or twice. So you kind of forget.
[38:01.600 --> 38:05.600] All that happens throughout the, throughout the book.
[38:05.600 --> 38:11.600] Absolutely. So when they got to the end of season two and they're setting it up for that, I'm like, Oh, that's right.
[38:11.600 --> 38:16.600] Mike, but already, come on, you know, exactly.
[38:17.600 --> 38:26.600] I have high hopes, especially when people are just showing now that they really do respect one another. And I mean, look at the expanse.
[38:26.600 --> 38:29.600] That was two authors under one name.
[38:29.600 --> 38:35.600] It was on sci-fi for a few years and on Amazon. So there you go. Amazon's figuring it out. But.
[38:35.600 --> 38:40.600] Then they hire a lead writer to do what he wants with it.
[38:40.600 --> 38:46.600] They were able to make both, much like with Bosch, both the book fans and the show fans happy.
[38:56.600 --> 39:01.600] The hospitals make me so nervous. They smell funny in their ghosts everywhere.
[39:01.600 --> 39:03.600] No rest for the weary, huh?
[39:03.600 --> 39:06.600] No time for a rest. Got a trial coming up.
[39:06.600 --> 39:09.600] They could have killed you, Mickey.
[39:09.600 --> 39:12.600] I didn't ask for this. It's just doing my job.
[39:12.600 --> 39:18.600] It's got to be another way to do your job. Safer, more conventional.
[39:18.600 --> 39:22.600] You know, a lot of things with conventional. It's not one of them.
[39:26.600 --> 39:28.600] I am warning you.
[39:30.600 --> 39:33.600] Do not turn this trial into a circus.
[39:35.600 --> 39:36.600] Holler?
[39:36.600 --> 39:38.600] Andy, everything's gonna be okay.
[39:40.600 --> 39:45.600] Don't let yourselves be fooled. See through Mr. Holler's power, or tricks? To the truth.
[39:46.600 --> 39:50.600] It's everything okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure everything's gonna be fine.
[39:53.600 --> 39:56.600] If you sacrifice too much for this job.
[39:58.600 --> 40:02.600] You'll end up alone. It's a terrible Hollywood cliche.
[40:03.600 --> 40:07.600] You are Mickey Holler and you win cases. That's what you do.
[40:08.600 --> 40:12.600] No matter who you're defending, as the jury reached a verdict.
[40:14.600 --> 40:15.600] We have your honor.
[40:21.600 --> 40:24.600] And any changes that they made were just stuff they couldn't avoid.
[40:24.600 --> 40:27.600] Like, let's recast this one actor or let's write this actor out.
[40:27.600 --> 40:33.600] He's got a scandal behind the scenes and works for the story without feeling so obvious,
[40:33.600 --> 40:36.600] but I'm just gonna make a last minute rewrite.
[40:36.600 --> 40:39.600] And I do applaud both of those shows because again,
[40:40.600 --> 40:43.600] you got to watch about three episodes just to comprehend everything that's going on
[40:43.600 --> 40:45.600] because you will forget something.
[40:45.600 --> 40:46.600] Oh, yeah.
[40:46.600 --> 40:47.600] I'm taking notes.
[40:49.600 --> 40:53.600] But I applaud just any of these guys for just giving this a chance.
[40:53.600 --> 40:56.600] And maybe it is good that it wasn't on network TV.
[40:56.600 --> 40:59.600] It would have been probably too complex or barely less than a season.
[40:59.600 --> 41:01.600] People are impatient now, all of a sudden.
[41:02.600 --> 41:08.600] Yeah, it's like when when they drop the 10 episodes and two different timeframes,
[41:08.600 --> 41:12.600] you know, people are like, wait a minute, you know, but it's like different when you had to wait,
[41:12.600 --> 41:18.600] like when 24 was started up 20 years ago, 24 episodes.
[41:18.600 --> 41:20.600] One episode per week.
[41:20.600 --> 41:25.600] I know in like the later seasons, they dropped like the first two in the middle of the season.
[41:25.600 --> 41:29.600] They dropped two and then two at the end type of thing, but you know, you had to wait.
[41:29.600 --> 41:34.600] You know, so basically you're, you're watching 24 episodes in 20 weeks.
[41:34.600 --> 41:36.600] Yeah, absolutely.
[41:36.600 --> 41:41.600] And that's if they don't break for Christmas or Thanksgiving, you know, so it could be 30 weeks.
[41:41.600 --> 41:45.600] You're waiting to watch 24 episodes. So I think a month to watch 10 episodes.
[41:45.600 --> 41:47.600] That's a pretty good clip.
[41:47.600 --> 41:48.600] Yeah.
[41:48.600 --> 41:49.600] It is a good deal.
[41:49.600 --> 41:51.600] And it's not easy.
[41:51.600 --> 41:52.600] Yeah.
[41:52.600 --> 41:54.600] I know people are going to be taking it slow and that's good.
[41:54.600 --> 41:57.600] You know, people all watch shows at the different different rates.
[41:57.600 --> 41:59.600] I like how they did.
[41:59.600 --> 42:03.600] How they did Bosch legacy last year on Amazon freebie where you got.
[42:03.600 --> 42:05.600] Four episodes right away.
[42:05.600 --> 42:11.600] And then it was three episodes of two or two episodes per week for three weeks after that.
[42:11.600 --> 42:15.600] So at least you got to dive in, get your toe feet wet a little bit and then, you know,
[42:15.600 --> 42:17.600] and they made it work.
[42:17.600 --> 42:21.600] It's kind of little breakout, a little clipping or like, Oh, I can't wait for next week.
[42:21.600 --> 42:24.600] You know that, you know, people don't get that nowadays were.
[42:24.600 --> 42:29.600] You know, 24 and I keep bringing it back, bringing it back to 24 a little bit here.
[42:29.600 --> 42:30.600] But it's like 20.
[42:30.600 --> 42:35.600] Some of the fans are crossed over with the four cliffhangers.
[42:35.600 --> 42:38.600] You know, even at the end of the season, you're getting a cliffhanger.
[42:38.600 --> 42:41.600] So then you had to wait seven, eight months till you get the next season.
[42:41.600 --> 42:45.600] I keep her described it as we were filming to 12 hour movies.
[42:45.600 --> 42:46.600] Basically it's season.
[42:46.600 --> 42:47.600] Yeah, I believe it.
[42:47.600 --> 42:48.600] I bet.
[42:48.600 --> 42:52.600] And that must have had have been a lot of work.
[42:53.600 --> 42:56.600] They even edited as like movies.
[42:56.600 --> 42:59.600] Kind of like they do anime, I think.
[42:59.600 --> 43:02.600] Oh, really?
[43:02.600 --> 43:03.600] Yeah.
[43:03.600 --> 43:08.600] So it's nice seeing that we can get, you know, it's not a full season dropped in one weekend.
[43:08.600 --> 43:13.600] But, you know, I still enjoy rewatching the episodes. Cause like I said, you know,
[43:13.600 --> 43:16.600] it's like sometimes you'll miss something or you won't pick up on something right away.
[43:16.600 --> 43:19.600] We're like, Oh, yeah, I love, I love that shot there.
[43:19.600 --> 43:24.600] Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of a, I love camera angles. I love quotes.
[43:24.600 --> 43:25.600] Right.
[43:25.600 --> 43:31.600] So to go back and rewatch this, the episodes like you're talking earlier.
[43:31.600 --> 43:34.600] Something that's not just a case of the week. And, you know,
[43:34.600 --> 43:38.600] even the shows that have been on for a long time finally got with the program and said,
[43:38.600 --> 43:41.600] we got to have more than just one or two serialized storylines.
[43:41.600 --> 43:43.600] Exactly.
[43:44.600 --> 43:50.600] Just bring this character back. It was a fan favorite and have them screw up the person's life. And.
[43:50.600 --> 43:53.600] I think we're just at the right time of.
[43:53.600 --> 43:58.600] In place to just be able to have streaming as an option because.
[43:58.600 --> 44:01.600] And just again, this wouldn't have existed on.
[44:01.600 --> 44:06.600] You know, maybe when network TV was getting edgy or it might have lasted a while, but.
[44:06.600 --> 44:09.600] It's so cool that they didn't have to play office politics or.
[44:10.600 --> 44:14.600] Well, the producer wants this and the network wants that. Yeah.
[44:14.600 --> 44:15.600] Yep.
[44:15.600 --> 44:16.600] Exactly.
[44:16.600 --> 44:19.600] The clash of the minds back in the day or.
[44:19.600 --> 44:22.600] In the, in the business in general, I guess, but.
[44:22.600 --> 44:24.600] And there was that. And then there was.
[44:24.600 --> 44:29.600] Oh, well, we got a rider strike. You know, can you imagine them having to do that in the,
[44:29.600 --> 44:32.600] the second to last rider strike back into a seven.
[44:32.600 --> 44:35.600] That would have been nightmare.
[44:36.600 --> 44:38.600] No, absolutely.
[44:38.600 --> 44:41.600] It would have been. Okay. What do we do now?
[44:41.600 --> 44:42.600] Was it.
[44:42.600 --> 44:46.600] I know a few shows took a hit back then in 2007.
[44:46.600 --> 44:49.600] Was it one of the, one of the ones that kind of.
[44:49.600 --> 44:54.600] That prison break, even just campy shows were just like beside themselves.
[44:54.600 --> 44:58.600] I mean, you kind of even see that.
[44:58.600 --> 45:00.600] Just with even.
[45:01.600 --> 45:05.600] Just even networking, other cable TV shows have kind of taken a hit where they're
[45:05.600 --> 45:09.600] like, we got to just, I mean, Jack Ryan kind of looked out because they film season
[45:09.600 --> 45:12.600] three and four back to back because they were like, whatever happens.
[45:12.600 --> 45:15.600] What we're ending our show on time.
[45:15.600 --> 45:19.600] Ending the show on time and on their terms.
[45:19.600 --> 45:21.600] Yeah, absolutely. They.
[45:21.600 --> 45:24.600] After four years, you know, they, they want to move on to the next thing.
[45:24.600 --> 45:28.600] And I'm glad that anyone can make that happen.
[45:29.600 --> 45:30.600] Yeah, exactly.
[45:30.600 --> 45:36.600] That's why when calmly first started when they were first hiring for Bosch.
[45:36.600 --> 45:40.600] You know, Michael Connolly asked Titus well, you know, what if this goes, you know,
[45:40.600 --> 45:42.600] 10, 12 seasons, you know, are you.
[45:42.600 --> 45:46.600] You went for the full ride and I was like, I'm here until you don't want me anymore,
[45:46.600 --> 45:49.600] basically, and I bring my son.
[45:49.600 --> 45:53.600] Exactly brings his kids to work and puts them to work in general.
[45:53.600 --> 45:54.600] So.
[45:54.600 --> 45:56.600] I think all three of his kids have had.
[45:57.600 --> 45:58.600] Roles in the.
[45:58.600 --> 45:59.600] And Bosch.
[45:59.600 --> 46:03.600] But with the, you know, going back to the Lincoln layer here.
[46:03.600 --> 46:08.600] It's been fun seeing the progress from the characters.
[46:08.600 --> 46:11.600] Throughout the first two seasons because I know in the books,
[46:11.600 --> 46:13.600] Lauren,
[46:13.600 --> 46:15.600] her name is Laura Taylor.
[46:15.600 --> 46:18.600] In the books, it's Laura Crane.
[46:18.600 --> 46:19.600] Show.
[46:19.600 --> 46:24.600] I was going to reach out to Ted and ask why the difference because I think even in a scene.
[46:25.600 --> 46:29.600] In season two, episode one, he's getting emails from Lauren, a tailor,
[46:29.600 --> 46:32.600] which I think is Lauren Crane. So it might be like a maiden name.
[46:32.600 --> 46:33.600] Maybe I don't know.
[46:33.600 --> 46:37.600] Cause obviously her, her name's not going to be Wojcowski at the end of her.
[46:37.600 --> 46:40.600] Maybe they filmed it before they got picked up and they had to.
[46:40.600 --> 46:43.600] Change a few of the Easter age, but one still got through.
[46:43.600 --> 46:44.600] I don't know.
[46:44.600 --> 46:45.600] Oh, maybe.
[46:45.600 --> 46:51.600] Maybe because of the movie, but I don't know.
[46:51.600 --> 46:52.600] Maybe that's true.
[46:52.600 --> 46:53.600] No, that's true.
[46:53.600 --> 46:57.600] I, I, I, they very well could have maybe wanted to remind everyone,
[46:57.600 --> 47:00.600] Hey, we were a thing.
[47:00.600 --> 47:01.600] Exactly.
[47:01.600 --> 47:04.600] You know, but going for Lauren as character, I think I,
[47:04.600 --> 47:09.600] when I was listening to a podcast, Becky Newton was saying that it's her favorite project.
[47:09.600 --> 47:12.600] You know, it's a favorite character playing Lauren, a crane.
[47:12.600 --> 47:16.600] And you kind of see that, you know, it's almost like she gets the best lines.
[47:16.600 --> 47:20.600] And all when she was busting Mickey's chops about, you know,
[47:20.600 --> 47:23.600] I'm having a relationship with Lisa and she's like,
[47:23.600 --> 47:24.600] I'm not sure.
[47:24.600 --> 47:25.600] Oh, you know,
[47:25.600 --> 47:28.600] but she's based near your base in her turkey. She's frosting your cake.
[47:28.600 --> 47:29.600] You know,
[47:29.600 --> 47:31.600] she's like whoop, whoop thing.
[47:31.600 --> 47:32.600] And it's like,
[47:32.600 --> 47:38.600] I mean, you just love, you fall in love with the characters at the same time.
[47:38.600 --> 47:42.600] And it's a good use of that actress, you know, using her comedic background again.
[47:42.600 --> 47:43.600] And.
[47:43.600 --> 47:44.600] I mean,
[47:45.600 --> 47:49.600] both Humphrey and David E. Kelly went, and I'm their various acclaimed dramas.
[47:49.600 --> 47:54.600] I've always just wanted to insert some of you were just to settle the mood and just.
[47:54.600 --> 47:58.600] I think the character is the life and it was just a good breather.
[47:58.600 --> 48:02.600] And between what was otherwise just a very serious.
[48:02.600 --> 48:04.600] And sometimes frantic filler.
[48:04.600 --> 48:05.600] Yeah, exactly.
[48:05.600 --> 48:10.600] Because you go from that, from that scene there where Lauren is busting his chops,
[48:10.600 --> 48:11.600] but sleeping with Lisa.
[48:12.600 --> 48:16.600] And then you get to the end of episode five and Mickey's blaming her.
[48:16.600 --> 48:19.600] For not copying.
[48:19.600 --> 48:25.600] We're not copying or not bringing in the file that has Lisa's life rights that Lisa signed away.
[48:25.600 --> 48:26.600] Oh, yeah, that's right.
[48:26.600 --> 48:30.600] You had on, you know, basically, or, you know, Mickey's just saying that.
[48:30.600 --> 48:37.600] You know, that she's been distracted with her wedding and school and all this other crap and she's like, wait, no, you stop right there.
[48:38.600 --> 48:40.600] And then at the end of the conversation, he goes, fuck you, Holler.
[48:40.600 --> 48:43.600] And it's like, oh, you don't, you don't like seeing that from the characters.
[48:43.600 --> 48:51.600] Cause you like that, that the scene from episode two or episode one where she's busting his chops in the, you know,
[48:51.600 --> 48:54.600] it's a family dynamic between the two of them.
[48:54.600 --> 48:55.600] Absolutely.
[48:55.600 --> 48:57.600] Especially when you get that.
[48:57.600 --> 48:58.600] There was that.
[48:58.600 --> 49:03.600] And then when again, the driver, Izzy, you know, as the.
[49:04.600 --> 49:11.600] Who does that, whoever developed her subplot for this is like, she goes with, I got to do college.
[49:11.600 --> 49:16.600] My girlfriend bailed on me. So now all the rent, I have to pay.
[49:16.600 --> 49:20.600] And then, and then yes.
[49:20.600 --> 49:26.600] Lauren is coming in and having to help her report her.
[49:26.600 --> 49:31.600] Just unprofessional, both the landlord and the.
[49:32.600 --> 49:34.600] Building on.
[49:34.600 --> 49:35.600] Property manager.
[49:35.600 --> 49:39.600] It's like, you do those again, we will report to him. We'll win.
[49:39.600 --> 49:40.600] Exactly.
[49:40.600 --> 49:46.600] You know, it was fun seeing that they're there for each other. You know, even in season one, you had Mickey having Izzy's back.
[49:46.600 --> 49:51.600] When Izzy stumbles, but you also had Izzy having Mickey's back when he was at the.
[49:51.600 --> 49:56.600] Memorial for Jerry Vincent and he had a beer and a shot in front of him.
[49:57.600 --> 49:58.600] Yeah.
[49:58.600 --> 49:59.600] Yeah.
[49:59.600 --> 50:01.600] And when Izzy comes in with the coffees, takes.
[50:01.600 --> 50:02.600] It was the.
[50:02.600 --> 50:04.600] The lawyer that got.
[50:04.600 --> 50:09.600] Jerry Vincent was the one that got shot and killed in the first episode.
[50:09.600 --> 50:10.600] Oh, yeah.
[50:10.600 --> 50:11.600] Shoot.
[50:11.600 --> 50:15.600] That's how Mickey Holler got all of his cases. So.
[50:15.600 --> 50:19.600] So at the, when, uh, when Mickey was doing the speech.
[50:19.600 --> 50:23.600] At the bar for Jerry Vincent and then.
[50:24.600 --> 50:26.600] John of blank gets detective.
[50:26.600 --> 50:28.600] Langford, sorry, Langford. Yes.
[50:28.600 --> 50:33.600] Machine plays, you know, it was busting his chops about Jesus being up in prison.
[50:33.600 --> 50:37.600] You know, and then Mickey goes to the bar orders a shot and a pint.
[50:37.600 --> 50:41.600] And then then it goes, the scene goes fades to black. So you think.
[50:41.600 --> 50:48.600] When it fades back in, you think it's like two hours later, you know, but it's five minutes, only minutes passed by.
[50:49.600 --> 50:51.600] And then he's bringing in the coffees for him and.
[50:51.600 --> 50:54.600] Herself and she takes the alcohol away from him.
[50:54.600 --> 50:56.600] Oh, she is watching his every step.
[50:56.600 --> 51:00.600] She's basically doing what I would do with every other person where he's just.
[51:00.600 --> 51:01.600] Yeah.
[51:01.600 --> 51:02.600] Watch.
[51:02.600 --> 51:05.600] I'd be the chauffeur and just watch when someone's about to embarrass themselves.
[51:05.600 --> 51:07.600] Just go home.
[51:07.600 --> 51:09.600] Or not American sales, but maybe.
[51:09.600 --> 51:10.600] Or.
[51:11.600 --> 51:13.600] Exactly.
[51:13.600 --> 51:19.600] You don't want your friends or you don't want your friends or coworkers to stumble and fall at any point.
[51:19.600 --> 51:23.600] And then, you know, so you had them helping each other in season one.
[51:23.600 --> 51:27.600] You know, I loved how her character was developed in season two.
[51:27.600 --> 51:28.600] Is he's character.
[51:28.600 --> 51:33.600] Not only if you drive and make you around, but she's also trying to start a dance studio.
[51:34.600 --> 51:39.600] She's listening to a true crime podcast and trying to be an unofficial spy because then.
[51:39.600 --> 51:47.600] When the client Lisa is trying to find ways to pay her bills and her true crime.
[51:47.600 --> 51:52.600] Podcast or partner is ripping both her off as well as.
[51:52.600 --> 52:00.600] In affecting the legal case that I thought that was just really cool how she's just leaning in saying, Oh, boss, you're not going to like what I.
[52:01.600 --> 52:03.600] You're here and she's played a clip for him.
[52:03.600 --> 52:05.600] You don't play the commercial, whatever it is.
[52:05.600 --> 52:08.600] Yeah, you got to see some this says.
[52:08.600 --> 52:10.600] That's right.
[52:10.600 --> 52:13.600] And because we've got to talk to Henry doll, but didn't.
[52:13.600 --> 52:17.600] So make the legal ramifications of said.
[52:17.600 --> 52:23.600] And that just took up our anger because I mean, I've been fortunate enough to even listen to some other true crime.
[52:24.600 --> 52:26.600] So you've had a lot of these.
[52:26.600 --> 52:37.600] You've had a lot of the producers and they've had to some of them have had to school other people on Hey, if you're going to dramatize this, make more disclaimers or make sure you've talked to the victims or people involved so.
[52:37.600 --> 52:47.600] Or just.
[52:47.600 --> 52:54.000] an additional legal ramification if you're influencing a still at large case. Yep.
[52:55.600 --> 53:01.360] And it built up our anger for when, because I mean they show right away in season two. Hey,
[53:01.360 --> 53:04.800] he's going to get mugged somewhere in the parking lot, which is also kind of a callback to season
[53:04.800 --> 53:11.120] one when he was having him and his private eye were spying on a few other shady people and is like,
[53:11.680 --> 53:18.160] and then lo and behold, in that season cliffhanger is like, okay, he got mugged real bad, but
[53:19.200 --> 53:23.440] here's the twist. They weren't even trying to steal his legal files. They were just basically
[53:23.440 --> 53:29.040] trying to send a message. That's even scarier. Yep. Exactly. And leave the evidence. They just
[53:29.040 --> 53:35.120] wanted to cripple them. Yeah, and on the book, he actually the character got it really bad in the
[53:35.120 --> 53:40.000] book. I don't know if this was intentionally written. I don't know. Have you read the books?
[53:40.960 --> 53:43.760] I've only read some of the Bosch books. So I mean, this is interesting.
[53:44.960 --> 53:53.680] So in the book, yeah. Well, I have been a little bit deeper. That's why I love the show, because
[53:53.680 --> 54:00.880] it's not a two hour movie where you got to cram a 40 chapter or 50 chapter book into two hours,
[54:01.520 --> 54:06.800] spanning over 10 episodes, it can be like, I think even the shortest episode of the Lincoln
[54:06.800 --> 54:13.440] lawyers, like 42, 44 minutes short. Yeah, that's what it is. Where I read the Hobbit and went
[54:13.440 --> 54:18.320] straight into the movies. And then I revisited the books at a later time period. And
[54:20.240 --> 54:26.000] they're pretty much the same, same for like five like key subplots that have been revised or
[54:26.000 --> 54:31.760] put in different angles. But it's only just have the apples and oranges.
[54:32.480 --> 54:38.320] Yeah. But in the book, the fifth witness, Mickey Haller actually really gets seriously hurt. In
[54:38.320 --> 54:45.760] fact, his left nut gets twisted during that fight when he gets beaten up by two guys in the parking
[54:45.760 --> 54:54.240] garage. Yikes. So in season two, episode six, when Mickey was either talking to Lauren or Maggie,
[54:54.880 --> 54:58.320] he was saying that they were just trying to send a message because they didn't touch my
[54:58.320 --> 55:03.840] cojones, you know, or something like that. I thought maybe that was just kind of a little bit of play
[55:03.840 --> 55:09.040] on from from the book, at least, you know, at least his nuts were left alone. But in the book,
[55:10.320 --> 55:14.480] I think it took them longer. In fact, in the book, I think they even had to have a continuance
[55:14.480 --> 55:20.080] because the court date was coming up. And in the show, he was just wanting to get back and
[55:20.080 --> 55:26.640] get into get into the trial didn't want any continuances at all. So down. Yeah. But it's also
[55:26.640 --> 55:31.680] hard seeing Mickey taking a beating like that, you know, when they smash his left arm, you know,
[55:31.680 --> 55:38.160] what I should ask Ted about how they came across or how they did that, you know, filming that scene.
[55:38.160 --> 55:43.600] But but yeah, you just see them getting attacked like that and you just feel for them. But the way
[55:43.600 --> 55:49.280] they came back from that, you know, with Izzy finding them instead of Maggie or Lauren or Cisco.
[55:50.960 --> 55:57.520] Izzy was trying to get ahold of them and worried air had the navigators air tagged or whatever. So
[55:57.520 --> 56:04.160] she knew where he was at, you know, is to have her find him, you know, and call for an ambulance
[56:04.160 --> 56:09.040] and everything. It's like you see the dynamic between the characters. And I love that because
[56:10.000 --> 56:14.960] in the books, it's there, but you don't really see it. You can read it type of thing.
[56:15.120 --> 56:19.840] Absolutely. You get a sense of satisfaction, let alone with
[56:21.280 --> 56:27.280] how they're all organizing. Yeah, just much like the comedy is there to kind of just
[56:28.800 --> 56:32.960] give some character moments. It just the other just moments where they're just
[56:33.520 --> 56:37.840] recovering in the hospital or even just in their apartment after a full day's work just
[56:38.800 --> 56:46.880] reminds us the viewer, hey, you might not want to be like live like live large like them, but
[56:47.440 --> 56:51.760] you are fascinated by their entry that they built up. Exactly.
[56:53.040 --> 56:59.120] Yeah, since you're not a book reader, legal seagulls role in the books are a little bit different too.
[56:59.120 --> 57:05.680] I like seeing them in the show because in the books, he's kind of bedridden in a nursing home.
[57:06.400 --> 57:11.920] Oh, really? So in the book in the show, you get to see him interacting with Mickey out at a tennis
[57:11.920 --> 57:17.440] court or in a restaurant or after at the office. You know, so it's good to see an Elliot Gold.
[57:18.240 --> 57:24.480] Is that how you say his name? Gold? I think gold. Yeah. Yeah, he does an amazing job with that
[57:24.480 --> 57:26.320] character on the by friends and
[57:28.720 --> 57:30.800] Oceans 11, but yeah, he's pretty much
[57:31.440 --> 57:36.400] and to see him in this and Ray Donovan recently just is just lovely to see that he can still
[57:36.400 --> 57:38.880] do the dry drama as well as just the
[57:39.840 --> 57:44.240] stock up comedy and it's just so it really needed it. It was
[57:45.520 --> 57:48.880] and I love how he's also just predicting Mickey's move and saying, well,
[57:50.000 --> 57:52.320] only someone like you would be crazy to pull that off.
[57:54.320 --> 57:58.800] Yeah, where he brings up or even your old man wouldn't have done something like that or never
[57:58.880 --> 58:03.520] did something like that where the where they get the fifth witness to plead the fifth.
[58:06.480 --> 58:10.800] So it's a it's a good dynamic with all the actors, all the characters involved.
[58:10.800 --> 58:16.560] You know, it's like Mickey hit the door running in season one where he had, you know,
[58:16.560 --> 58:22.480] client after client, you know, piling up after a year and a half of having no clients and
[58:23.120 --> 58:29.440] then season two, you see how famous he is and he's kind of embracing the fame of it
[58:29.440 --> 58:33.440] and the interns want nothing to do with them, but they're like, hey, we need someone to cut it
[58:33.440 --> 58:39.520] frozen bone here. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but I don't think we even I don't think the interns even
[58:39.520 --> 58:44.720] have any names even. Yeah, in turn one intern to in probably extras.
[58:46.080 --> 58:51.760] Yeah, I don't think we hear them. No, we hear I think we heard like two of them talking like
[58:51.760 --> 58:58.400] the 10th episode of season two was their voice with all the work piling up for Izzy and Lorna.
[58:58.400 --> 59:04.080] They had to had to get somebody in there to somebody in there to do the work as Lorna being
[59:04.080 --> 59:10.000] what a second chair during the trial in season two. I was glad for that. Did you see some courage
[59:10.000 --> 59:16.080] and progress instead of just, you know, I'm your ex wife and I happen to manage the firm
[59:16.080 --> 59:20.000] when you're away is like, okay, that's cool because exactly. You don't want to risk
[59:20.160 --> 59:26.640] your advice. Yeah, yeah, because in the in the book, she's just the case manager. So I think
[59:27.600 --> 59:33.120] what is it Lorna being in law school and sitting second chair for this trial,
[59:33.680 --> 59:37.360] I like seeing that for the character, you know, I don't know if she's going to adapt
[59:38.000 --> 59:43.440] in the books. There was a character that Mickey brought in for the real estate.
[59:43.840 --> 59:53.120] For the fifth witness book, he brings in an associate to help with all the real estate
[59:54.400 --> 59:59.840] foreclosures and stuff. It reminds me of when they adapted dark winds that Tony Hillerman
[59:59.840 --> 01:00:07.920] program and they made a disclaimer. And by the way, we're we're taking and Hillerman, you know,
[01:00:07] his daughter's new take on the female deputy because we want that strong version of the character in
[01:00:13] the show. And yeah, kind of what they're doing here. I wouldn't be surprised if he
[01:00:18] takes what they're doing on the show and ups his characters in any future novels.
[01:00:24] Yeah, exactly. But I mean, like I said, there's a I think her name, the character's name was like
[01:00:29] Jennifer in the books. But in the for the books, he kind of progresses into a top notch lawyer,
[01:00:40] but he got her from like a bargain basement college type of thing. Yeah. So but with Lorna,
[01:00:46] so I think Lorna might be kind of interpret or bringing into or filling that character's role
[01:00:53] in the show, which we find to see. You'll see Lorna and Mickey working together more than
[01:00:59] than what their characters had been in the books. I would hope, man.
[01:01:04] Well, you like you like seeing the main was made five characters. You got Izzy, Lorna,
[01:01:12] Key, Cisco, and Maggie are the main five. But you still get the the
[01:01:19] father daughter moments with Mickey and Haley, right? And then the mentor legal seagull.
[01:01:28] Absolutely. A nice little break from the legal these and legal parts of the show where
[01:01:36] you know, Mickey Haller's riding horses with Haley towards the end of season two. So yeah,
[01:01:43] so it's nice seeing the all and like you said, all these side characters that are coming from
[01:01:47] other projects and they're not really side characters, but I'm trying to do their own thing
[01:01:51] instead of we want it to be like this or that. Exactly. I love that. Is it what's her name?
[01:01:58] Yeah, yeah. What's her name? Andrea Freeman. Andrea Freeman. She's the prosecutor in season two.
[01:02:08] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She did great. I just you want to see that cool legal opponent
[01:02:16] instead of just someone who just feels like, Hey, you know, I'm here till the end of the season.
[01:02:22] Exactly. It was nice seeing kind of seeing them butt heads at times, you know, but also,
[01:02:29] was it Lorna added up how many straight losses Mickey has had to Andrea Freeman? Yeah.
[01:02:34] You're great. And he even he's like, no, it hasn't been that many. She's like, no, it is. I counted.
[01:02:40] Yeah, you got to like, you heard me. Andrea Freeman, you know, it's like he's, you know,
[01:02:45] 10 straight losses to Andrea Freeman. And she was kind of rubbing in his face at the,
[01:02:49] at the start of the trial or before the start of the trial, even, you know, during the prelims.
[01:02:55] So it's like, Oh, man, you just, you don't want to see her when at the same time, but it's a great
[01:03:00] actress, great character. So you can't wait to see what happens in the next scene or the next
[01:03:07] episode. The character feels vibrantly alive and like, I mean, kudos to again, the cinematography
[01:03:14] because we can't express that enough guys. Like we, we get so sad when we just feel like,
[01:03:20] I mean, my sister doesn't like it when you can tell it's a closed film set, like the characters
[01:03:25] outside and their hair isn't affected. Yep. You know, we all have nitpicks. My issue is when
[01:03:31] it just feels like an episode is filler. Yeah. Like it's inconsequential arrest. I get that that's
[01:03:38] going to happen in even the best stuff. But like, there's even moments where you'll see that in a
[01:03:42] different movie or show and you're like, really, they went there. Yep. Yeah, I've heard that. I
[01:03:49] never watched the show, but I heard that like Ted, Ted Lasso does that kind of frequently. There was
[01:03:54] like a, there's a boring Philly filler episode and you don't get that with. They were giving coach
[01:04:03] Beard of his own episode where he goes to dance parties and clubs. But I think the reason that
[01:04:09] divided half the fan base is how they introduced it is like, whoa, like where this can't where this
[01:04:14] come from. But I mean, Ted Lasso is definitely a complex fandom. But yeah, I think it was a surprise
[01:04:23] hit because it just didn't catch on right away. But then after like a year of COVID, like people
[01:04:27] recording it. And I think that's the thing like anyone can watch it even underaged kids if they
[01:04:33] want to, because it's not too bad with the language to where you're just like, yeah, this is too
[01:04:40] x-rated. But at the same time, like, I think that's an interesting one. It's kind of like if
[01:04:45] there's people going to come into these shows, boss, your Lincoln lawyer, and I think it's just
[01:04:51] one case and done, you know, you got another thing coming. And I think that's just exactly
[01:04:56] people watching Ted Lasso, you're not going to watch this for the sports. You're going to watch this
[01:05:00] for the office comedy and dramedy and behind the scenes. But yeah, it is interesting seeing,
[01:05:08] knowing that something like this can still exist, let alone people can be creative and
[01:05:14] bring life to a tired genre or subgenre, telling me what you know about the books. It's even more
[01:05:22] insightful to just know that we're going to get this kind of writing again, where
[01:05:27] the book fans are trying to out predict what happens and they're satisfied. And then you get
[01:05:34] a mainstream audience and you can involve them without confusing them to death.
[01:05:40] Yeah, exactly. Because you're not, you're not a reader of the books, but you love the shows.
[01:05:45] Or I mean, at least the Lincoln lawyer, you said you haven't read, but you love the show.
[01:05:50] Oh, totally. I've read the books, love the books, and I love the show too, even though there's
[01:05:54] sometimes where I see something happening in advance.
[01:05:59] Was it, I can't remember the episode of a season two where the hammers brought in?
[01:06:04] Oh, yeah. When Mickey comes up to the 11th floor and Lorna's telling him that the
[01:06:09] judge wants to see them both in chambers. And I'm like, oh, here comes the hammer.
[01:06:15] Literally go hammer time. And then sure enough, the Greg's Britain, not Greg's.
[01:06:21] It was a good plot to us for the audience. They're like, because anyone who hasn't
[01:06:26] read the books is going to, you know, we're like, who is this witness that Cisco is getting from
[01:06:33] the airport? Oh, it's a dummy. Yeah, it's been shed on me.
[01:06:37] See that, that part wasn't in the books. I don't think I don't think that part was in the books
[01:06:40] where he's waiting for Manny to show up. Manny the mannequin.
[01:06:46] So there's stuff that is new, which is fun. You know, it's like the manne and then there was
[01:06:52] a there's a few other parts where it wasn't in the books, but fun to see something different.
[01:06:58] But like you said, you don't want a lot of filler parts. You want you want the the case or the or
[01:07:03] the storyline to progress nicely, you know, and have these little subplots in there as well.
[01:07:10] So was it the episode for where Mickey is helping Torel Coleman's daughter with the vandalism or her
[01:07:19] art work on the side of the building? You know, Tracy and I were talking about that last week
[01:07:27] when we in the podcast is out for them is the is that's the only I think that's the only episode
[01:07:34] in season two where there's not a court case with Lisa Trammel. Yeah, that's not really in court
[01:07:40] homes. You're taking a breather, but it's in the juvenile court. But you also get the little bit of
[01:07:46] of fun with the judge saying, you know, we like to keep it loose in here. You know,
[01:07:52] you want a lollipop, you know, type of thing and then I was glad I didn't have a series scene. Same
[01:07:57] thing with the game developer who was busy too is like it would have been just too much. Okay,
[01:08:03] you've already we already know you're bad at defending yourself or just in a wrong place
[01:08:10] of the wrong time just continuously. So let's, you know, now that Mickey is calling you down and
[01:08:14] you've said your piece, let's follow the other guys around.
[01:08:19] Exactly. We got the trail Coleman, we got Sam Scales, you got Eli Whims, you know, yeah,
[01:08:25] oh, what's your name? The Topless Sunbather, you know, all these other clients and the color
[01:08:31] nicknames. There's an yep off code. So yeah, it's fun. It's fun to see the see that come to life
[01:08:40] in the show. Not trying to divide anybody. Exactly. So it's fun, you know, it's a fun show,
[01:08:48] fun characters, and you fall in love with all the characters and except for the evil people,
[01:08:53] you know, I got it. Yeah, but I mean kudos to much like Bosch, even though it's not a horror
[01:08:59] show by any stretch of imagination, it's they do a good job of making those serial killers be freaky
[01:09:04] or, and much like the voyeurism of the city, we still feel like someone's watching over the
[01:09:10] characters back low alone. We the audience feel intrusive when we're looking over their shoulder.
[01:09:16] Yeah, kind of like the end of episode of season 10 or not season 10, season one episode 10 where
[01:09:23] you got the guy watching Mickey surfing on the beach where they show the left arm and it's that
[01:09:29] tattoo guy that Laurie did just talking about in the trial. So it's like you always feel like
[01:09:35] you just said there that really did freak me out and then it reminded me of the stalker and
[01:09:40] everything. Oh, that's right. Of course. And it makes sense he would have seen that would have
[01:09:43] been the first thing he would have seen him if he had been telling him to the beach. Yep. Well,
[01:09:48] not only that, but people are also confused because from the back he looked like Trevor Elliott,
[01:09:54] you know, the the gamer that was the season one. Yeah. And season one. So you think,
[01:09:59] oh, to Trevor Elliott, live and he's, you know, stalking Mickey Holler somehow.
[01:10:03] Yeah. And he's survived all these prostitutes as well. You know, it's like, boy, this guy gets around,
[01:10:09] but a different character, a different, different plot, like you said, and it was kind of nice how
[01:10:16] they carried that over into season two. So you had the first two episodes deal with that crossover,
[01:10:23] and then you got into the Lisa Bramwell case. And then a few side cases thrown in there as
[01:10:29] well too. And how about that one plot to us where we think we're encountering her bitter ex,
[01:10:36] it was like, wait a second. That's so not your ex. He doesn't even look like your ex on Google.
[01:10:43] What's that now? Sorry. Remember Lisa was claiming, hey, my ex can testify is like,
[01:10:49] known as that's not her ex. That's a coworker. I'm just helping her out. Man,
[01:10:56] if you read the book, you see it happening. But like I said before, sometimes they do change
[01:11:02] up the subplots or the plots of. I'm sure it's hard for anybody. Creating these. I mean,
[01:11:09] how much to spend, how much do you reveal from a cinematic standpoint? I mean,
[01:11:14] we were talking about Kanye earlier. I do like reading John Grisham, but when I read a time to
[01:11:20] kill, I mean, it's much like, much like the Tom Bombadil chapter of Lord of the Rings is
[01:11:26] ultimately would be not cinematic because it would be a time-waster just showing, hey,
[01:11:32] this doesn't work. We're still going to have to save the one ring. That's kind of what you get
[01:11:37] in a time to kill. It works as a book at adding layers to, hey, our main character is going to go
[01:11:41] vigilante. Here's where he bought the gun. Here's how he did this and that to sneak into the court
[01:11:47] and kill one of his rapists of his daughter. But from a movie standpoint, that would have been like,
[01:11:55] oh, he gave too much away. Yeah. Yeah. Movies and stuff. They always want to keep you in suspense
[01:12:02] type of a thing. Keep you guessing, right? Keep you guessing a bit. Stuff that just is very
[01:12:09] illuminating, but also, you know, it can only work on a book since. Same thing for the TV show.
[01:12:17] I keep going back to Lord of the Rings. There's stuff in Rings of Power. I think that works there
[01:12:20] that wouldn't work so much as a movie. Oh, really? Oh, I just the extra like, there would have been
[01:12:28] maybe two scenes involving the dwarves in the elves and then they would gone on to the next adventure.
[01:12:34] Oh, okay. Well, what they do on Rings of Power is fine, but it feels more like what they might
[01:12:39] have done in Star Wars where let's do a big free 60 of all free battles happening at once.
[01:12:44] Oh, okay. I'm not not a diss. Just an interesting perspective of just like how they do that in that
[01:12:51] format versus there. I mean, go to even like video games. There's stuff in a video game that will just
[01:12:59] be too oversaturated and tough to consume and comprehend in a movie. Oh, absolutely. Hence why it's
[01:13:07] now everyone's jumping on the bandwagon again, because you're like, hey, we can finally find the
[01:13:12] right people to adapt a video game and haven't made sense. Yeah, the last of us was a fun watch.
[01:13:18] I never played the video game. Oh, that's a good contrast there. I mean, yeah, I applauded that
[01:13:25] and the Halo TV show and some Halo fans were ever watched. Halo yet. Haven't watched Halo yet.
[01:13:31] It's pretty straightforward, but I saw some gamers who didn't give it a chance
[01:13:36] because you see the characters face and like see, you can't say this is like Judge Dred. Like,
[01:13:40] you have to get inside this guy's mind if you want to. I mean, they already did it with them
[01:13:45] on the lorian, sure, but he ultimately still takes his helmet off. You got to show that the
[01:13:51] character is living and breathing. Exactly. You just can't please everybody. There's some people,
[01:13:58] they hate it when you change anything at all and I don't get it. I don't. I mean, like I said,
[01:14:04] they've made changes from the books to the show. Bosch slight changes from the Lincoln lawyer
[01:14:10] books to the show, but I love all the changes. They've made doing that.
[01:14:17] You can't have it be the same exact thing or else people will complain that. Oh, it's too much like
[01:14:22] the book. Absolutely. I'm seeing Star Trek fans do some of that and I'm like, well, if they do
[01:14:28] this or that, you can play in this formulaic. Yeah, you can never win. We can't. We can't.
[01:14:36] But for one caller, maybe he needs to be the legal advisor for all these teams.
[01:14:41] Oh, there you go. There's always a writer behind the words, right? Absolutely.
[01:14:48] But who's your who's been your favorite character through the first two seasons so far? Oh, definitely
[01:14:52] Izzy. I just I feel for that just gal just having to make ends meet as a college student,
[01:15:01] how to work. And much like all these other guys, Lauren and everybody that you touched on earlier,
[01:15:10] it feels like a family. Yep. It's not like what some shows did where, okay, so take for instance,
[01:15:18] like as an example, like totally different shows, but like scrubs and CSI, there are a bunch of
[01:15:25] weirdos who work together. Never become a family. Then you see other shows like,
[01:15:31] again, Star Trek, even some of the law and orders, even criminal minds, you feel like they could
[01:15:37] coexist and you do see them coexist at each other's resort or private house and having a heart to
[01:15:44] heart. West Wing, another example, just those guys you could actually tell we're actually talking
[01:15:50] after the fact, regardless of whether they drove each other crazy or not. Yep.
[01:15:54] Probably NCIFC too as well. A little bit of that. Yeah. I think I'm guessing I don't know for a fact.
[01:16:01] No, no, they got in now when Gary Cole is the lead on that. They definitely have had a lot more heart
[01:16:07] to heart. A lot more. I mean, Bosch does jazz so well. NCIS has been even more heavy on the piano.
[01:16:15] Oh, yeah. I've I've my wife's been rewatching them off of Netflix lately. It's fine. They kind of catch
[01:16:23] being episodes every now and then that I remember a couple of episodes that I don't. So it's like,
[01:16:27] maybe I should go rewatch, you know, that, but it's like at what season 17 now? Yeah. Yeah.
[01:16:36] 20. Season 20. Okay. So almost two seasons back even. But I try to catch the big one.
[01:16:43] So it's like Gibbs last episode, you know, I'll try to catch the bigger ones. Bones was another one
[01:16:48] where not everyone saw every episode, but certain episodes for whatever reason. I don't know if they
[01:16:52] just syndicated them a lot. Someone somehow caught them and everyone talked about them. Remember that
[01:16:58] one where he's revealed to be related to the JFK assassin? Oh my God. What a did you see the one
[01:17:04] where they're in that one morgue or they're helping that spatial. So when people can do a zany
[01:17:11] episode, it is almost that Twilight song moment. We're like, you know, gotcha. Yeah, exactly.
[01:17:18] Set for life is your favorite character. That's that's good to hear. I like I've enjoyed her
[01:17:23] character as well. Oh, totally. Cause this could have backfired. This could have been another
[01:17:27] urchin or college kid who isn't fleshed out. I mean, don't get me wrong. I, I, I applaud the
[01:17:34] much like Maddie on Bosch and Mickey's daughter. I liked how they didn't spend too long on those,
[01:17:40] but just enough to where it's like, okay, living and breathing. He's learning how to
[01:17:45] ride a horse. That's no easy feat.
[01:17:49] Well, she's the one learning to ride a horse. She's a learning to ride. He, he used to ride horses
[01:17:55] when he was growing up, but the show covers. Yeah. I don't think that was something that was brought
[01:18:02] up in books, but at the same time, sometimes they write in stuff that manual is really good at.
[01:18:10] So when he goes out and he's hitting tennis balls, somebody had seen him posting a video on
[01:18:16] Instagram where he was smack and tennis balls around the court. They're like, Oh, let's have Mickey
[01:18:19] howler do that for, you know, for, for a distraction when things were playing out in episode two. Absolutely.
[01:18:27] And I like how she even makes that smart ass remark. Are you here because you had to take me? He's like,
[01:18:32] Oh, ma'am, I want to be with my daughter. Yeah, exactly.
[01:18:37] Mothers are sorry a lot, but this guy ain't no sludge. He's got time and money.
[01:18:41] I'm sorry. Absolutely.
[01:18:45] Oh, so you're doing a banger on the Lincoln Lawyer podcast and everybody counts. Would you
[01:18:51] care to tease on your Michael Connelly verse? Are you going to even venture out into other podcasts?
[01:18:57] I have no idea yet. I do. I'm going to voice by dude. You're just too close to it.
[01:19:01] Yeah. Well, I do like talking Bosch and Lincoln Lawyer. Obviously, that's why
[01:19:07] everybody at so many shows, Tracy, Peter's interview and Jerry plus to have.
[01:19:12] That's it's been fun working with them. Obviously, I'm a big Connelly fan.
[01:19:20] So I know we'll be I think I'm going to be the main co-host for recapping season two for the
[01:19:27] Lincoln Lawyer with Tracy. Sweet. So I'm looking forward to
[01:19:32] recording those in the next, what, four or five weeks as well. How did Tracy? She is awesome.
[01:19:37] Yes. Tracy is awesome. I enjoy talking with her and it's always fun when she has the
[01:19:42] games towards the end of the podcast episode. Yeah. She really challenges the thinking type of thing.
[01:19:51] It's always fun when playing games because obviously, you know, with me posting trivia for the shows,
[01:19:55] I've been posting Bosch trivia for what three years going on three years now.
[01:20:00] No need to do a little just do Bosch trivia. Exactly.
[01:20:06] Follow me on what Bosch trivia on Twitter. Yeah, the only Bosch trivia I know is like what is the
[01:20:18] B-movie they find in like season five or six and they're like, oh, that's Hollywood.
[01:20:23] I love the I love the little was it glimpses of of that, you know, because you had Troy Evans
[01:20:31] watching a what one of the actors for those that don't know. Yeah, Troy Evans got barrels watching
[01:20:42] a movie at home. It's funny when I post the questions or I create the questions I forget about them
[01:20:50] after months or whatever. I don't really seem to interact as a blessing that just shows hey,
[01:20:55] they should do some conventions or panels once this AI scandal winds down. Yeah, exactly. I'm hoping
[01:21:03] for that because I know Titus and Jamie Hector were both at the con in Houston. I think I just
[01:21:13] hear about that. Three or four shared it. Three or four months back and I it's like, oh, I really
[01:21:17] wish I lived closer to Texas where I could, you know, go there, but I don't want to go on a weekend
[01:21:23] when that's happening. Exactly. I mean, I have been jealous, but I work weeks. Well, it's like so
[01:21:31] we're both the Central Time Zone. I'm in Wisconsin here in Texas there, but it's like, but I mean,
[01:21:38] I did get a great day set visit two years ago when I was out out in LA when they're filming season one
[01:21:44] of the bot legacy. So it was so cool to meet Maddy and Titus at that time. I got the picture.
[01:21:53] I almost thought I messed up because Titus and Maddy were in the first scene that I saw that I
[01:21:59] was tied to the second scene and it was Honey Chandler, Maddy scene. And then, yeah, I wish I
[01:22:07] could have been an extra that would have been fun. But I thought maybe Titus was all wrapped up
[01:22:12] for the day. So I was asking a Soakway if Titus is still around where I can get a picture with him
[01:22:17] because I forgot to get a picture, you know, alongside of him. Well, a Soakway is taking pictures of me
[01:22:23] meeting Maddy and Titus for the first time in between takes when they're filming the scene at the
[01:22:29] village idiot, which is unfortunately closed. I don't know when, but I was talking truck is still
[01:22:36] out there. Yes, I got to try the donut place when I go out there next time. I've been out there
[01:22:41] twice in the last two years. I brought my older two kids out with me last year.
[01:22:47] We traded a few iconic moments. We went up on a Hollywood sign hike where we walked all the way
[01:22:53] behind the Hollywood sign to get pictures of us together. So I would I would have traded that for
[01:22:59] you know, anything. But so there's still a lot of places I want to try. Like you said to any
[01:23:03] trade hose donuts. I think he's got a taco place or something too. But yeah, yeah. But yeah, so there's
[01:23:11] still a lot of few places I want to try. I was hoping to get out there this September without the
[01:23:16] writer strike going on. I'm like, well, that could be filming anyway. So what's this? Absolutely. I mean,
[01:23:22] obviously, it's not like I'm going to get a set visit, you know, just by making a phone call. But
[01:23:26] you know, it would have been it'd be fun to see them all or see them all again.
[01:23:31] But yeah, so for for upcoming podcasts, we're tracing our recording the fifth episode recap of
[01:23:41] season two this week. Yeah, can't wait, you know, because it's like that cliffhanger ending was
[01:23:49] it was hard to watch Mickey Haller take the beating, but reading the books, you knew it was
[01:23:54] coming at some point. Even watching the first two, you know, what is the 30 seconds of episode one
[01:24:00] of season two, you know, the beating was coming. Something's happening. Yeah. Yeah. So and but so
[01:24:08] yeah, I keep keep an eye open for I'm hoping to start posting some of the trivia that I've been
[01:24:13] diving into for the Lincoln lawyer as well, since we're on the Lincoln lawyer conversation train.
[01:24:19] I'll be posting that on the Lincoln lawyer fan group page on Facebook and on Twitter for the
[01:24:25] at hauler trivia. I think it's absolutely I'll send you the the info if you want to
[01:24:34] promote those. I'll also be playing with those in the Lincoln law podcast. From or anything. Let me
[01:24:39] know. Exactly. It's fun talking talking Lincoln lawyer and Bosch stuff with you or with that
[01:24:47] anybody really totally I see so many people who only want this kind of crime show and I'm like,
[01:24:52] I can watch it all. I can watch my gangster shows like Breaking Bad. I can watch all these other
[01:25:00] procedural shows like homicide life on the street and NYPD blue. And then I can even talk about both
[01:25:06] like the shield the wire, you know. Yeah, it's always fun to intertwine in our inner inner inner
[01:25:13] twine shows that kind of remind you of previous stuff. I remember when we're talking earlier tonight.
[01:25:18] Yeah, you're gonna be a Star Wars guy and pretty can be a Star Trek guy or you can be a Babylon
[01:25:23] five guy. Pick your pick your poison. Pick your poison. It's all part of the same
[01:25:30] they're two sides of the same coin and in other cases they're all on the same assembly line.
[01:25:35] Well, we were talking earlier too about like CBS passing on the Lincoln lawyer. I remember,
[01:25:39] you know, the show The Sopranos was shopped around to everybody. Every network. And now it's
[01:25:44] second nature. Yeah, you can have a character being unethical and we process this.
[01:25:52] Yep. And then when HBO picked it up, they're like, okay, let's up the nudity and up the
[01:25:56] swearing. It's like, I mean, I think HBO was the perfect fit for a show.
[01:26:00] It was a perfect fit. I know the guy they fired. It was like the head of vice president programming
[01:26:05] wasn't too crazy about half the HBO shows. And he does that one. I'm like, really?
[01:26:10] Wow. Right. Own it. Own it. And then after I was it like some networks that'll pass on a show that
[01:26:16] I'll regret it later on. Was it Fox picked up Brooklyn nine nine nine nine five season six or seven
[01:26:24] and NBC picked it up for a season or two. Even shows that should have never been canceled. Jericho,
[01:26:29] Deadwood, even Oz, I could have done maybe five more seasons of. There's so many shows that
[01:26:35] even sons of anarchy is like, you see people who are cynical about that one and it's like, well,
[01:26:40] that was kind of the essence. It was a cynical show. Yeah, exactly. I just started rewatching
[01:26:46] that. It's been about three or four years since I've finished watching.
[01:26:50] Isn't wild. How they use the same gangs, the fictional gangs, the one Niners from SWOT in the
[01:26:57] Shield. Do they? Sorry. I didn't. That's interesting.
[01:27:07] Exactly. If you love the Shield, I know this is a few years old. Check out the Shattered Shield
[01:27:13] podcast. The Shattered Shield podcast. They do an awesome recap of every single episode,
[01:27:18] as well as the comic book and video game. And they got to interview creator Sean Ryan and company.
[01:27:23] And much like your show and hopefully, like many of the other recap shows, they do a good job of
[01:27:30] just having casual conversation. And it's not just whoever saw the episode. Yeah. Another one like
[01:27:36] that then is Talking Sopranos, if you like the. Oh, yes. Yeah. You like the show.
[01:27:41] The Sopranos, Michael and Perry Ollie and Steve Sharip. Oh, totally. They caught up on so much
[01:27:46] stuff. And it all up the road, the movie, the many Saints in Newark. And actually,
[01:27:54] well, not as a plug, but I'm actually going to be seeing them live this Saturday. They're
[01:27:59] going to be at Mystic Lake Casino in Minnesota. Of course, it's a casino conversation with the
[01:28:08] Sopranos. I know they've done shows all over the globe. It's mainly on the West,
[01:28:12] so our East Coast, since the show has taken place in Jersey. But yeah, so I get to see the
[01:28:19] conversation about Sopranos this Saturday. And you hear them evolve and reflect on their
[01:28:24] acting choices. Exactly. Which is rare, because some people are just like, look at how shiny I am
[01:28:29] here. I'm like, well, we know you are. Why? How did you get there? But they also do dive into that
[01:28:38] as well, how they got the roles that they got. And in talking Sopranos, they actually have a
[01:28:43] lot of the cast members and behind the scenes production crew do interviews with them. So if you
[01:28:49] guys don't know those, in fact, I think they re-edited them. And you can actually watch
[01:28:55] the podcast on HBO, or now it's called Max, but it was. I think so. Yeah, it's changed this
[01:29:01] name. I've only seen clips of it here and there, but it's interesting just that
[01:29:26] Imperialian company are just ready to talk for hours.
[01:29:31] Absolutely. Dad's from the Crip is another good one that is the head writers that tells
[01:29:37] from the Crip and some super fans. They got two different ones. But yeah, I mean, it's just cool
[01:29:43] to see anyone just do a labor of love and then just be natural storytellers. And regardless of even
[01:29:50] if you remember the episode or have seen it or not, it's just cool to see that this can be a
[01:29:56] recurring podcast. You can listen to it anytime, anywhere, even 10 years from now.
[01:30:01] Exactly. And that's it. I mean, the Spanish was off the air for 15 years before they even started
[01:30:08] up the last one. So what's winged weekly isn't there, is everybody. Well, you were mentioning one
[01:30:15] earlier, the 24-pot. 20 years of 24. Yep. 20 years of 24 because when I was diving into some
[01:30:22] villain characters, I saw that it was celebrating 20 years, three years ago. So 24 is turning what
[01:30:29] 23 this year. It's like, wow. Yeah. I forgot how long ago that started, you know, because I was
[01:30:35] a fan right from the get-go back in the night, there was a 2001. And now they push back. They
[01:30:41] push back the premiere because of 9-11. So it started in November of November instead of...
[01:30:49] They lucked out. They supposed to start in September, but they pushed it back two months
[01:30:53] because of 9-11. That's where it was. They had to make it work somehow. Exactly. And I'm glad they did
[01:30:59] because that show was my, you know, besides the sopranos back then, that was my, you know,
[01:31:05] top and my top five favorite shows. I'm so dynamite. Yeah. I even... I have been wanting to rewatch it
[01:31:13] for quite a while now, but now I only have time to like rewatch a clip from it because I've just
[01:31:18] seen so many episodes so many times. It's like, yeah, well, when I get caught up on these tenor shows,
[01:31:23] I'm starting in the marathon. There you go. And that's for 24. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty,
[01:31:30] I mean, don't even run. I know so many of the characters inside and how it just
[01:31:33] it never gets old for me. I bet. Well, it's like, like we were talking about earlier, it's a cliff
[01:31:40] anger ending every single episode, you know, but we're probably talking about that on the next podcast,
[01:31:46] right? Promise. We'll get there. I'm looking forward to that as well. So, but to wrap up
[01:31:53] this Lincoln lawyer recap episode podcast, I did put together like a what I'm hoping to see in
[01:32:02] future potential future seasons for Netflix. I heard something. I don't know if it was clickbait
[01:32:08] or not, but I heard that the showroom has plans for four seasons. Oh, I'm hoping there'll be a fifth
[01:32:15] season because how I want to see it played out is the at the end of season two, we see the set up
[01:32:21] for the gods of guilt. I hope that is not clickbait. I hope that is so legit. And they're just pushing
[01:32:27] around. I know it's gotten a lot of views and it's been the top 10, you know, top five. I mean,
[01:32:34] obviously, after a couple of weeks, other shows or other movies come out that, you know,
[01:32:38] take your ship. But what I'm hoping for is five at least five seasons because there's five books
[01:32:44] I'd love to see covered. I mean, obviously, there's been three books that have been covered with the
[01:32:49] movie and the two seasons of the show. So you got gods of guilt. Hopefully, you'll set up season three.
[01:32:56] I'd love to see the reversal be season four because then you see Mickey Haller cross over to be a
[01:33:04] prosecutor. Yeah. Okay. And he works with Maggie. I did read to how one of those was the most popular
[01:33:12] book. So that that is cool that if they're gonna, I mean, it only makes sense. I mean,
[01:33:16] yep. I think in the flash, for instance, they took one of the infamous comic books and they adapted
[01:33:21] that as the movie. I don't make sense. This is the most popular book you might as well adapt it.
[01:33:28] Exactly. So and so I'd love to see that for a season four with the reversal where you see Maggie
[01:33:33] and Haller working together. And also in the book, it's Bosch that works as the detective for
[01:33:41] Haller, but obviously in the show it'd have to be Griggs, but we'd see a more expanded role for
[01:33:46] Griggs in that case. Absolutely. And this character can grow more than the page. Exactly.
[01:33:51] Because they're trying to reverse a character that is getting out of jail after serving 15, 20 years
[01:34:03] of a potential life sentence because of some kind of evidence that was found that, you know, was going
[01:34:08] to reverse the prison sentence. So Haller and Maggie worked together and with Griggs, or
[01:34:16] it'd be with Griggs, but Bosch in the books. But and then for season five, I'd love to see the law
[01:34:22] of innocence come into play because then you get the bad guy from season two here, trying to, you
[01:34:28] know, try to take out or try to take down Mickey Haller for the antics of season two or the book,
[01:34:36] the fifth witness. So that's what I'm hoping to see for potential, you know, future seasons of
[01:34:42] the Lincoln lawyer. Hopefully, there's, you know, like I said, hopefully that wasn't clickbait that
[01:34:46] there is a plan for four seasons. I hope they don't go from God's a guilt into the law of innocence,
[01:34:52] because I kind of like to see it play out a little bit longer time frame wise. But obviously,
[01:34:58] you never know with with streaming services and on Netflix kind of, I mean, that sometimes they're
[01:35:04] kind of quick to acts shows, even if they, unfortunately, no, even if they end on a cliff area, it's like
[01:35:11] I was a fan of the Santa Clarita diet, you know, with a Drew Barry. Yeah, it's like, why do you guys hate
[01:35:18] us? Yeah, they end up episode on a cliffhanger and the season on a cliffhanger. And they're like, Oh,
[01:35:24] we're canceling it. It's like, wait a minute, you know, yeah, and then cancel it, make a movie, you
[01:35:30] know, sign send it off. I mean, the Deadwood movie shouldn't have even had to come out that far
[01:35:36] down the road. It's been wrapped up one 10 years before. Like old five and it's just like,
[01:35:45] I mean, it was a good standalone movie, but it was still it was like, oh, why?
[01:35:50] Yeah.
[01:35:53] Every time I bring that up or every time I kind of bring that up with ending the shows on cliffhangers,
[01:35:58] my dad brings up the show, Alien Nation back in the day.
[01:36:02] Oh, there you go.
[01:36:05] Then like three years later, they put out a movie and then they kind of tried to revitalize
[01:36:09] the show, but it kind of flopped. Now I was really young back then. I was late 80s, early 90s,
[01:36:16] time frame, steak, and so I was pretty still kind of young that time. So I don't really remember
[01:36:21] that. But, you know, like you said, Deadwood's a good example for current time frame for
[01:36:28] really. If you ever want to do an episode on that one, let me know.
[01:36:31] I have only I haven't even watched the full Deadwood show. I keep being told to
[01:36:38] I did start. I think it got into the season two like that or justified. I think, I mean,
[01:36:44] justified is definitely another one where it's like when it came back, everyone was kind of pumped
[01:36:48] because kind of like the shield like it combines gritty crime and police work with
[01:36:58] countryish gangsters and just showing you how everybody's got to get their hands dirty just.
[01:37:04] Yeah, there's so many shows I got to watch like and I know I rewatch a lot of shows,
[01:37:08] but obviously you got to have your go tos. Oh, yeah. Like I said, I restart watching
[01:37:13] Sims and Anarchy just because it had been so long since I've since I first watched the show
[01:37:18] through. So I think the was it so you always get to have the go to his breaking bats, the pranos,
[01:37:28] ouch, Lincoln lawyer, all the fun to kind of revisit the shows, but then he kind of
[01:37:35] make time to kind of throw in some new ones. Oh, yeah, I did that with all the star tracks.
[01:37:40] Where I had it's basically my custom playlist now from like, oh, he wants in that episode again,
[01:37:47] I've been I've done it twice. This one, I'll watch again. This one's a 50-50. Yeah.
[01:37:54] I've seen my wife do that too. She's like I said, she's watching NCIS and she'll start up an episode
[01:37:59] and I'll be doing something on my laptop or phone and she'll be like, oh, it's then just kind of
[01:38:03] skip me through the end of the episode. She's like, oh, I've seen that one too many times or I don't
[01:38:07] care for that episode. So she'll skip it. I'm like, okay.
[01:38:11] It's fair enough to my phone. So it's all good.
[01:38:16] Well, it's been awesome talking to Lincoln lawyer with you and other shows as well. It's always fun to
[01:38:22] mix things in. It's just more fun just breaking down a show because
[01:38:26] compared to a movie where you're having to eventually say where a franchise went downhill or got great
[01:38:33] show, you're pretty much illustrating the ups and downs continuously.
[01:38:38] Exactly. So it's fun talking and making us just more happy about storytelling of people
[01:38:47] able to compromise without being shut down by a studio without offending people and
[01:38:54] allowing all these other talents to bring their creations to life.
[01:38:57] Even making you want to read a little more, even look at the script saying how did they adapt that
[01:39:03] paper to from page to page. That's why I like the interviews that when I so I co-host with Tracy on
[01:39:10] the podcast for the breaking down of the episodes, but she's usually done the interviews with the
[01:39:15] showrunners or the co-producers and stuff like that. So many tidbits. I know I love getting those
[01:39:23] and even sometimes if you like I know that Tracy's asked Daelyn Rodriguez a couple of the questions
[01:39:30] that I posted or I've asked Tracy to kind of pass along. So I know there was the I think I
[01:39:37] mentioned I think she mentioned to her about my that I love the the six street bridge
[01:39:43] shot in the Lincoln lawyer season two episode two and then she brought up a question. Oh, it was
[01:39:50] how they got the camera angle when they were the first opening shot of season two episode one
[01:39:57] where you have the pan episode or the pan shot from all the buildings and then they kind of zoom
[01:40:02] into the parking garage. Yes, oh my god. There was a drone shot because I didn't know if it was a crane
[01:40:09] or you know if it was a crane shot that they got the skyline. I couldn't tell Ryder if it was a
[01:40:14] drone or a crane. Yep, but Daelyn did did answer it was a drone that they use for that shot.
[01:40:20] So they said she even said that they kind of use the drones a little bit more in season two and
[01:40:26] he kind of it's like the one of my favorite camera shots from Bosch is in season four where Bosch
[01:40:34] just finds the camera or sorry the phone. Sorry the phone. Yeah.
[01:40:42] The phone on Angel's flight and then you see the drone shot where it's above Angel's flight.
[01:40:50] It reminded me of the scene where in season two episode four when Andrea Freeman pulls the plea
[01:41:01] deal and you get the kind of drone shot above the pedestrian bridge that is being used in season
[01:41:09] seasons one and two. They got their notes. They have the notes. They know what
[01:41:19] people that enjoy cinematography you know because I love shots of the city and shots. And it means
[01:41:26] something as opposed to a fancy car commercial. Exactly. You know buy this book or buy this car.
[01:41:34] So I love the pan you know back out shots with the drones that they use for their shows. So
[01:41:39] I get the overview of things like that. So yeah it's been fun talking with you.
[01:41:47] Anytime I do it's fun to really sit down and just allow everyone to reminisce on what
[01:41:54] just moved them as a view. Yeah it would be fun to hear other people's thoughts too on that.
[01:42:03] I know man I see so many is like I feel like you want to share your voice and yes.
[01:42:08] Come on in. What's a podcast? I don't have zoom or Skype. Just use your phone. I don't know how to use
[01:42:16] it on my phone. Okay yeah that's what I'm using on my phone right now is for the zoom so. There you go.
[01:42:26] I make it work because it's easy. I mean I have a laptop but it's an older laptop so I haven't
[01:42:30] even tried zoom on it because I'm like it's kind of slow when I'm going from the show
[01:42:37] to my word document to type up questions from when I get to it part of the episode where I'm like oh
[01:42:43] that may make a good trivia question or or when I'm doing the recap I want to risk it downs.
[01:42:49] Yeah so I don't want to lose the connection if so. I mean my wife's got her laptop I could use as
[01:42:56] well but I figured I like my laptop you know it's kind of always something. Absolutely.
[01:43:03] All right well Godspeed D out there. Thank you I appreciate it. Always a blast my dude.
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