Caddyshack Franchise Chat

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[00:00:30] Ted Knight and Bill Murray as Carl. It's the snobs against the slobs in Caddyshack, rated R. Let's get ready to... The news are back. Have you ever seen a crisp $50 bill? Good times!

[00:00:58] Please, suck out the poison for me. Caddyshack 2. Is there any money in it for me? Starts Friday at a theater near you. Check your local listings for showtimes.

[00:01:08] So tonight, all, we're gonna put the ultimate question to the test.

[00:02:03] Who do you rather blow up? Golfers or golfers? Oh yeah. If I blow up a golf, you're gonna lock me up just for a really key. Prepare for various other mockeries, celebrity impressions, and other insanity. How else could you describe? A franchise, question mark, made popular by complete comedy improvisation.

[00:02:33] Much like Beverly Hills Cop, much like every police academy. Where else in the 80s are you gonna find a completely improvised movie? Not even completely improvised. It's more like the script is there. It's just... Right. It's just like, if you want to do something, do it. You know, just... Absolutely. I'll put it in. The guy who wrote it, Doug Keeney, was the guy who wrote for National Lampoon. So there you go, right? I think he died shortly after this. Something like that. Yeah, he did. Fell off a cliff.

[00:03:03] Yeah. Oh, jeez. I didn't know if it was a joke. Enough about Patty Shack 2. Yeah. So, as I was teasing James, I kept trying to get Alan Arkish, who claims that movie killed his theatrical directing career. He's had a great career since, but we'll always know him as the guy who did Rock and Roll High School, among many other Roger Corbin features. Get crazy. Get crazy.

[00:03:33] And he's just like, I can't convince him to come on here. I'm like, god damn it. I want to hear what it was like just directing. I think I would get, I'm friends with him online. Same. I would not want to ask him that question because I would just be like, I don't, I wouldn't want, I'll be honest with you, I just think he got a raw deal doing that movie because first off, I think they shouldn't have cast Jackie Mason.

[00:04:00] Because even though Jackie Mason was hot at the time, he did not know how to act on film. He was hot at the time. And Brian Dole Murray is helping out, but he's not really up to the task. Yeah, I mean, what do you got? You got, what do you have in that? You got, you got Robert Stack. A paid to come back Chevy Chase, who's still. Paid to come back Chevy Chase. You got Dan Aykroyd. You've got Diane Cannon. You've got Marsha Warfield. You've got, who else is in that movie? I keep thinking. Oh yeah. Jonathan Silverman.

[00:04:29] Jonathan Silverman. Oh dear. Poor guy. Was it Jonathan Silverman? Yeah. Yeah, it was. Okay. I like him, but I'm sure he doesn't want to answer questions. Randy Quaid before he went nuts. Randy Quaid. Make that every Randy Quaid movie. I nearly, I saw that on the shelf at the library today. I nearly rented it. Oh no. I thought better of it. So I bought, I rented the original from. Let me just say.

[00:04:59] The only saving grace of it. Four dollars well spent. The only saving grace of the sequel. Let me just get off my chest. Is the Kenny Loggins song at the beginning. Oh yeah. And that lasts four minutes. So after those four minutes elapsed, you can turn it off. Is it the same song as, or is it a different song? It's a different song. Okay. Okay. And it was also a radio hit and it, he included on his different album. It was, I had it. Nobody's phone. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.

[00:05:30] But yeah, I'm all right. Was the one for the first one. And it plays in the beginning and end. And so I do have another question. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to go all James Lipton here on you guys, but do you, when you associate Kenny Loggins, you know, he's one of those rare music musicians. And, you know, he hangs out with Michael McDonald and Steely Dan and does all these different pop and other funky songs. But when you hear his name, given how all his radio hits are mostly from hit movies, there's

[00:06:00] all this crossover. Do you think Top Gun? Do you think Caddyshack? Or do you think Footloose? Caddyshack. Okay. No. He was such a badass when he was doing that Caddyshack. Have you ever seen the video for that when he's playing live? I think I have. The song live. He's playing like, he's playing like this. I think it was like, it's like a show with him and the Doobie brothers. Right. And it's like, oh yeah, it probably was a great show. I don't know how much pot smoke was in that room crowd, but.

[00:06:29] He played himself on Playing House. Did you ever see that USA Network sitcom? What is it? Playing House. No. I never saw it. St. Clair and all these other Keegan-Michael Key and all these other funny comedians did this funny roommates hanging out together in a duplex. And I think in the final season, they were going on a Kenny Lockins music concert and he played himself. And he's like, what are you guys doing here? No, I loved it when he was on Family Guy.

[00:06:58] He says, hey, I'm all right. Nobody worry about me. No, I. That song. That song irritated me when I saw it in the movie theater. I thought it was like, oh. It seems bug or something. The lyrics just bothered me. And maybe I wasn't all right at the time. Maybe. Oh. I thought the kid was too cocky. I'm. Hey, I'm all right. You know, I just. I'm Mr. Cool. You know. No, I got it. A little Ferris Bueller-ish.

[00:07:26] Ferris Bueller, I can do whatever I want type of thing maybe. But, you know. Sorry. Go ahead, Tom. I have to disagree. His performance on Archer is amazing. Oh, the kid? The kid? No. Kenny Loggins. Kenny Loggins. Kenny Loggins on Archer. Yeah. Yeah. He insisted on being called K-Log. Yeah. Well, I'm just talking about the song. K-Log in the morning. And the best part of it is that they were in that same arc.

[00:07:55] They were working with Shirlene. Who was Cheryl. Carol, whoever you want to call her. As a country star. And they were playing a country version of Danger Zone. And Shirlene was asking Kenny Loggins if he knew how to play. So that opening scene, Danny, it's his home life. How many, is it all brothers and sisters? Yeah. Yeah. I think there's... One cousin. Yeah. One cousin. The dad goes, who are you?

[00:08:25] Always a cousin. Like, did he forget his own kid's name? Yeah. Who are you? They clearly show it's Catholic with the crucifix on the wall. You know, the typical Catholic... Yeah. Irish Catholic. ...of-wish old family, yeah. But I guess that's based on Ramis' childhood or... Kind of. Yeah. ...and I'm sure he knew some of those guys. But I gotta say, I do legit like Michael O'Keefe as an actor. He's completely unrecognizable now since Against the Law,

[00:08:53] Nate and Hayes, and he's gone on to... Oh, Nate and Hayes I love. I love Nate and Hayes. Yeah. It's a fun adventure movie. Yeah. It's great just to watch that movie because, like, I can remember watching it and just, like, you know, it gets to the beginning and then, like, you know, it cuts to... It goes to where, like, the groundskeeper goes up to Bill Murray and says, I want you to do something about that golf horse. He's like, what do you want to do? You want to, like, walk up behind him and he says, No, not the golfers, the damn kid. The golfers.

[00:09:23] I never knew about the golfers, man. If you want to use the golfers, they're going to lock me up and throw away the key. It's beginning. You're going to be getting in trouble if you kill the golfers. Not the golfers, they're great. Get the golfers. Well, this first thing with Chabby, too. Do you take drugs, Danny? Every day. Good. Yep. Gotta love the early 80s before... You remember, I don't remember the exact wording, but he ended that with, oh, we can do, you know,

[00:09:53] we can do that. There's nothing against killing golfers or golfers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like, he'll get to go by. He's like, walking behind him and, you know, take him out, you know. You're not quite sure at the end if he actually gets it, you know. Yeah. Bill Murray's character was pretty much improvised by him in six days. Oh, yeah. I watched it behind the scenes. There was a lot of improvising between... There was a lot of improvising between Bill Murray and... Chevy?

[00:10:23] Chevy Chase, yep. Yeah. I love when he's watching the women go, I was like, oh, yeah, that's... Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know you want it, don't you? Oh, yeah, yeah. Bark like a dog. And he's playing with his ball washer. He's got the ball washer. And those women are twice his age. Yeah. But there's something about golf skirts that sets men off. There's something about him. He's just... But even though they illustrate him as a perv and everything,

[00:10:51] like, they don't focus on it too much. It's not to the point where you're like, I got to skip any scene he's in. He's pissing me off. But... It happens twice in the movie. Right. Yeah. It's not like any other movie where you're like, okay, that was funny back then, but it's going on way too long nowadays. The one part I... We all love this scene. It's like... His Cinderella story. His grass keepers come out of nowhere to take any masters. These use a five iron, this one. Oh, yeah, that's good. That's good. I think he's got a good girl on that one.

[00:11:22] I think it's about 150 yards from the... We can take this one. I think this is about a good driver on this one. Oh, look at that. Look at that. It's a murex. It's in the hole. It's in the hole. It's in the hole. It's in the hole. Watch it. He quiets down when somebody's walking by. Like, he knows he's a little nuts. Yeah. He's aware... He's aware of that. Isn't that ironic? Yeah. This is like... It's like if he hangs out with them, it'll out himself.

[00:11:50] That's just a classic sleaze. Like, yeah. Well, when he's playing golf with the flowers, he didn't seem to mind people coming by and watching him do that. No, no. No, and that's, you know, when people walk by, he's kind of like... He quiets down during his mire. Yeah. They're going to hear me. I've got to keep this to myself. But here's a thing that really jumped out at me was the scumbags, the people who were

[00:12:20] supposed to be there, all the ones who are the virtuous ones in the end. Right. Whereas the people with all the... With all the... Like a Ted Knight character. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You're nothing like it. They were just absolutely scummy. Even the doctor and the... The doctor. Oh, my God. The priest just... What was that? Put a tube... Put a tube down her throat and then she'll live a little bit. Oh, my God. I heard that line after my mom died.

[00:12:50] It was, oh, my God. Mm-hmm. Ooh. Well, you know... I know. That's a good point, Tom. It's like all of these guys are unintentionally like heroes. Like, Rodney Dangerfield goes from being a douche to the guy who still leads all these guys into action. Hey, everybody. Wang. Be quiet. You don't tell them you're Jewish. This is an exclusive club. We're all gonna get laid. Well, yeah. How about the caddy with the cigarette hanging out of his mouth half the movie?

[00:13:19] Wasn't that cool? Brian Doyle? Hanging out of your mouth. Brian Doyle. No, no, no. No. But you notice at the end of the movie, him and Noonan are back at each other's throats the whole movie. And Noonan starts down. He has good form on the... And by the end of the movie, you could do it. You know, he's rooting for him. There's a little arc there, you know. Right? You know, and to tell you just how bad a person Judge Smales is, he's talking to the caddy kid. He's like, I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Yeah. Didn't want to do it.

[00:13:49] But I thought I owed it to them. Don't think they deserved it. And then... Oh, man. Don't you want to come over and mow my lawn? Yes. My favorite... Some of the house call. My favorite said, don't you have homes? Or... Don't you have homes? Don't you have homes? You know, we need ditch diggers, too. Yeah. He's such a rich guy. And he's just taking advantage of everybody being the shithead he is. Porterhouse. There's a fine wax buildup on it. I had these clean off with a fine buff and a chamois.

[00:14:19] Yes, sir. Judge Smalesy walks away and says, hey, Fred, do you hear about the colored kid? The Mexican? And they tried to get into heaven. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a peach. He says, colored kid? What? You son of a peach. Did you ever hear how Danny actor Michael O'Keefe was actually at the 2020 U.S. Open? Like, he was doing some catty work. Oh, God. I didn't hear about... Oh, wait. I do remember that. Oh, shit. Yeah. I know. It's been so long. It's like... I love how you guys are bringing up Ted Knight. You know?

[00:14:48] This is, like, the main thing he's known for outside of, you know, Mary Tyler Moore. But don't you just love how stand-up comedian Frank Caliendo, anytime he was... He was doing celeb impressions. He had Ted Knight down to a T. Oh, God, yeah. Yeah. He'd be like... I've seen Caddyshack a bunch of times. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, I tried my hand at trying to impersonate him while Becky and I were watching the movie. And she goes, you're not succeeding. Don't try.

[00:15:18] It's so hard. It's like you've got to have the raspy voice, but then lean into the... Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah. It's easy to grin. When your ship comes in and you've got the stock market beat, but the man who can smile is the man who's worthwhile, whose mans are too tight in the seat. Crispin' the boat, Pookie. I love the spalling, get your foot off the boat. In the middle of the speech on the boat.

[00:15:48] Oh, my God. That's crazy. I want a hamburger. I want a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a french fries. You'll get nothing in life. I want a milkshake. You'll get nothing and you'll like it. You'll get nothing and like it. The funny thing about the get your foot off the boat, that's harmless. And then his boat gets terrorized by a danger. Yes. And then within five minutes. Turn this one. Tony Soprano had some inspiration. Yeah. And just like I was on a road trip with my dad recently. And you'll love this.

[00:16:18] Like he just out of nowhere just starts doing... We were just doing various impressions and everything. And he's really hating like his steak he got. It wasn't medium rare. And he's so tempted to do it. He doesn't say it, but he jokes between us and the guys before the chef comes over to fix it. Tell the cook this is low-grade dog food. Steak's so bad because he's still with a chalky head. He didn't say it to him, but we're all just having that insight.

[00:16:46] Yeah, you might have a butcher knife come out. Right? You won't leave this restaurant alive to say that nowadays. My favorite Rodney part is when he walks this. Hey, I'll take a couple of these, a couple of those, a couple of those teas, a couple of those naked lady teas, a couple of those naked lady golf balls. And I'll send my friend here, Mr. Wang, up with the whole schmear. No offense. Hey, Wang, what's in the picture? There's only a parking lot. He says, this is a good head.

[00:17:16] I'm a head like this, we got a free bowl of soup. Looks good on you. Looks good on you. He looks good on you. And then he turns away and does his face. Does the eye roll. This was his absolute first movie ever? Yeah. No, it was. He was scared to death. He didn't think he was. Rodney Dangerfield, yeah. It was his first big role. He had done a movie with Chuck McCann called The Projectionist. He played the bad guy, but it wasn't. It was just kind of like a little. It was the minor one. Yeah. Well, no, it wasn't a minor one.

[00:17:45] He just played the villain in it, but it was not. You know, it was just. I do love. It was very low key. Well, growing up, like this movie was popular. It's amazing. It has always survived. It was easy to modify for TV and it was still funny. You just took out some of Bill Murray swearing and the sex and it was fine. It was still a hoot, but I loved how whenever, like just, it was on everywhere. It was always on VH1 or Spike TV, one of the, even the golf channel. HBO, but like the golf channel.

[00:18:14] HBO was the big one. HBO was the big one. Nowadays, I'll see it on the golf channel. I'm not even kidding. I think it just is now premiering this year on ESPN or something. Even though it's golf. Yeah, I didn't see it after that, yeah. But I just love, in fact, Bill Murray even narrated a golf documentary a few years back. So, I mean, it's influences everywhere. Anytime I was on a movie set and people were doing sound effects, like I could always tell their Caddyshack fans if you do the no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

[00:18:42] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I love Judge Small's niece's name, Lacey Underall. She's like she was a Bond girl. Yes. I caught for the first time when she jumps off the diving board, that's a stunt double. It's not her. Oh, I bet. Yeah, that is a stunt double. And then they watched the behind the scenes and they confirmed that fact. Yeah, rest in peace. And she was also uncomfortable just doing that whole scene, just getting ogled by everybody, too.

[00:19:10] That's what was, here's the thing, like this movie still holds up, but it is kind of shitty how producer John Peters was insisting on all this other stuff that didn't have anything to do with the comedy. Yeah. Yeah, he insisted on her nude scene. You're right. And let's have the gopher be in here. It's like, we'll have the gopher be in here, but it's not the star, you know. JJ mentioned the shoeshine. The shoeshine. There's two black characters in the movie.

[00:19:36] There's him, the shoeshine boy, and also during the boat chase, there's a guy in a boat, a black guy with big eyes. His eyes bug out, yeah. It's very, you can tell this is 40, 50 years ago, yeah. Right. That would not play today. They did. True. They said that, what's one called it? Ted Knight was like a pissed off a lot of times because he was, yeah, because a lot of

[00:20:05] them were like, you know, they would show up like, you know, a little bit, you know, like later than usual, you know. And there was a lot of party and stuff. Yeah, there was a lot of coke being thrown around that time. Yeah. And Rodney Dangerfield jumped in on those. Yeah. He was partying too. I know Robot Chicken in recent years made fun of Cindy Morgan. It's like, they're doing a Tron spoon and he's like, you're the Thomas guy from Caddyshack. Yeah.

[00:20:31] I, I, I, I found it strange how like there's one scene every, I, I swear to God, if you ever watch, watch the movie, watch the scene where the girl who's Maggie, thanks for nothing. Yes. She's also in, she's also in Animal House. Yeah. Yeah. The 14 year old. Yeah. Well, what happens is. I don't think she's actually 14 when they filmed it. No, but, but here's the thing. If you watch that scene where she's jumping around saying she's not pregnant, look at

[00:21:00] Michael O'Keefe's hair. Okay. He's wearing a wig. You know why? I thought that looked funny. Yeah. Yeah. He, he was just doing the great Santini. They were filming. I think they filmed Caddyshack in South Carolina. I thought Santini was filmed before that. No, it was done. I think maybe. He, I don't know, but his hair. He was doing a bunch of TV and other war movies. Yeah.

[00:21:27] But, but, but the hair was, his hair was cut short. So what they did was they actually put the cap on with the wig underneath it. It was a pickup shot. So if you look at it carefully, he's not, he's not, the hair just looks kind of weird. Yeah. You know? Gotcha. Because it. I, I, I, and this is what I love. I, I will love looking at this the next time I rewatch it. Cause like, we're not like cinema sins where we're trying to ruin everybody's favorite movies for him.

[00:21:55] It's like, it's just fun to just look for stuff that you didn't notice the first 50 times. That's all. It's harmless. You know? It's not. So what you're telling me is, uh, is seen through Samurai Cop or actually an homage. Yeah. Darn you, Thomas. I wanted to say that. Darn it. He was even saying it off air. It's like, I'm going to mention that. It was like, yep. Um, it's so true. Yeah. I mean, so there you go.

[00:22:21] The Indian director who didn't speak much English or know about any cut American customs in Samurai Cop saw this movie. Hey, somebody step on a duck. Yeah. Sons of a bitch. Yeah. Dance to the living dead. Hey, honey, you want to make $15 the hard way? You must've been something before electricity. Hey, look, there's the judge's grandson. Wonderful boy. Good boy. Now I know my tigers eat their young. That movie just jumps up several comedic levels.

[00:22:51] It really does. As soon as he walks on. It is so funny, though, how Dangerfield, like, this is probably the movie people have seen him in the most if it wasn't back to school. But I did always love growing up hearing the stories about how it took him just a while to learn. It's like, hey, you know, just this is cinema magic. And he would just get a little annoyed that no one was laughing. Whoa, I must be doing something wrong. He's like, no, you're doing great. The first scene they filmed, I think, was him in the clubhouse. Oh. When he comes in with the Asian guy.

[00:23:20] With the Asian guy. There you go. And he didn't know what to do. And Ramos was like, okay, Rodney, just you come in and you start seeing your lines. He's like, okay, fine. So he yells action. And Rodney just stops. He's like, okay, stop. Cut, cut. Wait a minute. What's the matter? He's like, all right, look, I don't know what to do. So Ramos just turns and says, okay, just come in. Do your shtick. Do what you need to do. And then we're going to film it. He's like, okay, fine. So then he goes action.

[00:23:46] And then Rodney just jumped in like, you know, two feet, you know, duck in the water. And he was like, okay, yeah. You know, and that's when it clicked. But it wasn't right away. Because like he would say the lines and he'd be like, are they just awful? Is the movie not working? What's going on? Because he didn't know what to say. It's like we're acting. He was mostly used to being a nightclub comic. Well, I think he was waiting for people to laugh. And they're not.

[00:24:15] You can't laugh during the filming. Right. Because it breaks the fourth wall. It won't be funny to everyone else watching it. Because they'll be like, why are they laughing? You know, it's just one of those. But I get it. You know, I get it. There are scenes where people laugh at him, too. Yeah. No, absolutely. And it's improvised. Yeah. It's improvised. So it was inevitable. But it is funny how they just kind of had to remind us. Like, the magic is there. It's just. And you're not going to pretty much get rewarded with anyone laughing until you go see this opening night.

[00:24:44] Yeah. Yeah. That's the whole flop sweat with stand-up. Is that you're out on a club date and nobody laughs. Yeah. Was it liked at the time? Or was it kind of ignored and caught on later? It was liked. Okay. Cool. Because that's what I like to know. Sometimes comedies like this were not hits until home videos. Critics didn't like it at first. Oh, no.

[00:25:08] But somebody else left behind the scenes, they said, Ramis says, you got one star and then he checked some movie book. And then Roger Ebert's review. Five years later, it got three stars. You know, the same. Absolutely. Roger Ebert's review. It ages like wine, you know. It's basically a fine wine. I just love how Ebert is just very perplexed by all the different things happening. It was a $6 million budget made $60 million back. $60 million. Oh, that's a hit.

[00:25:36] It came out in July 1980. And you have to realize, too, July 1980, what came out that year, 1980? The Empire Strikes Back. So it had to compete with The Empire Strikes Back. That's hard. And the buzz was it didn't make as much as Animal House with the same crew. Yeah. But the Animal House was huge. I can't remember. Did Industrial Light and Magic help with some of the gopher? Or was that a different puppeteer? John Dykstra worked out. John Dykstra. Okay.

[00:26:05] So we had several Academy Awards from Star Wars and stuff. Okay. Perfect. Well, you know, and the one thing about this movie is there's a lot of ad-libbing in it, like said earlier. Yes. But they had like four hours worth of material that people had to come in and had to try to cut that down to an hour and a half or whatever it was. Because there was just so much material. Well, that's the influence of Coke.

[00:26:37] The thing I love about that is, what was it? There's like a couple of scenes like, you know, like when he says, oh, my arm, I think it's broken. And somebody says, well, I guess Sonia Henney's out. And it's just like, you know. Well, no. Yeah. That was. Who else could come up with this? That was. Oh, shit. Man, I can't remember names very well right now. That guy. Chevy Chase.

[00:27:06] That was Chevy Chase saying that before he picked the caddy. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the other thing, too. Like, even though everybody's a moron, some of them are likable. Some of them are fun. It's just. I guess, for lack of a better word, it's the right kind of morbid curiosity.

[00:27:36] Like, you're just watching all this mayhem happen instead of getting bored or feeling like it's padded out too long. Like, for me, it was just always just like, man, how do you come up with this much original absurdity? You know? Yeah. Well, I originally, I don't think they were going to have the gopher have a be a through line through. And then they decided. That was kind of a Peter's note is like, we need some effects to draw people here. We need tits and we need effects.

[00:28:03] And Ramos was basically like, I'll insert it, but I'll do it my way. I'm not going to just have it be in every inch of the movie. You know? Well, it's great how it interweaves with a big golf match at the end. You know? Yes. You're actually, there is some stakes in the actual golf. Yes. And then really, I guess they didn't realize how much explosives they put. If you watch that movie, those explosions are huge at the end. Yes, they are. Those were the story that people called it. And apparently a plane, a pilot reported it. He thought a plane had crashed. Really?

[00:28:33] Yeah. And it flew over because there's an airplane. Oh, my word. Yeah. Can you imagine living near there and all of a sudden, what the heck? Was it filmed in Florida for real? Yeah. Yeah. There's a little bit of a personal note here. My senior year, you know, we were putting our quotes in. And so my friend Humphrey, my best friend Humphrey, there was a scene where he's like. Bogart? No, no. I don't know. So when he's there. I'll punch your face in.

[00:29:00] So there's a scene where he says, don't be so mindful of things, Danny. The Zen philosopher Bashos said one time that a flute without holes is not a flute. A donut without holes is a Danish. Oh, my gosh. And he put that as a senior saying. I was like, oh, dude, that is great. That's amazing. Yes. Oh, man. But again, who can cut? That's a diamond in the rough.

[00:29:30] Like, who can come up with that? Like, it's not something you can learn in a film school class. That's not. It's just something you accumulate over time. And, you know, just like all these great metaphors in poetry, it just comes out. Well, I you know, he's had some lines in this that I that I want to be able to remember to say to other people later on. Because, you know, when I was back in the days when I was going to bars and back in my day and trying to pick up women.

[00:29:58] One of the lines is like, you're rather attractive for a beautiful girl with a great body. That's a fantastic pickup line. Why didn't I have that 20 or 30 years ago? Well, you didn't have the shape. Well, that was because you were not a looper. You were not a looper for the Dalai Lama. Did you say you were born to look their face? You'd have to sing that. Oh, my God.

[00:30:28] You know, on my deathbed, I'll receive total consciousness. So I have that going for me. She's nice. She's nice. He twists his mouth. He twists his mouth, too. Wait, I'll give you a little reason. So, like, you know, I jump ship in Hong Kong and I make my way over Tibet and I get to be a looper. And of course, over in the Himalayas. A looper? A looper, you know, a caddy. A looper. Jack. So I tell him I'm a pro-jack.

[00:30:57] And, you know, who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama himself. The 12th son of the Lama. The flooring robes. The grace. Bald. Striking. So I'm on the first tee with him. And I give him the driver. And he hauls off and whacks one. Big hitter, the Lama. Long. 10,000 foot crevice. At the base of this glacier. And you know what the Lama says? Goonga. Goonga. Goonga. Goonga. Goonga. Goonga. So he finishes the 18th and he's going to stiff me. I'm like, hey, Lama, you know. How about a little money or something?

[00:31:27] You know, for the effort. There won't be any money. But when you die, on your deathbed, you will see total consciousness. So I got that from you, though. Which is nice. Which is nice. Oh, my God. See, there is no punchline. There is lamenting, lamenting. And then just a bigger lament. Like, wherever you leave it. Like, let's say they had cut away just a few seconds earlier while he's talking. It would still be funny.

[00:31:56] Just because these guys are playing all these crazy characters. And they're going loose. If someone was harmed back then, I'm sorry. But the laughter shows on screen. Like, it's just that kind of. It's like, they were into it. They were into creating this weird world. And they just kept going and going. You know, you didn't have. Well, I certainly. Besides sitcoms back then. Yeah, they certainly had a lot of fun. I hope. Well, I don't think. I think. I think we will gloss over one of the most important things about this move.

[00:32:25] That is the hybrid of Kentucky bluegrass with California sensima. You're like totally blasted. Oh, man. Well, you know, Chevy's talking to Bill Murray's character, Carl. And he says, people don't say that about you as far as you know. That was a big makeup scene for them.

[00:32:54] Because remember, they got into a fight. Yeah. They were not happy with each other. They were not happy with each other. This is before Groundhog's Day where they really did not get along. Murray was not. Well, that's Raymond. Oh, you're talking Chevy. Yeah. And Bill Murray was the new Chevy. And he got into it with him. And I remember watching that live. I could tell something was wrong. Right. This is not a skit. And then I learned later, it was within five minutes before that, they were in a huge fight.

[00:33:23] I forget what famous line he said to Chase. Like, I know John Lovitz always said, I will shit down his throat. But yeah, it was something like Bill had a certain one. You know, you said something. Belushi basically was like trying to break it up from what I understand. Well, they pull up. Yeah. Because he got along with everybody. I guess they were still mad at each other when they filmed that. But it doesn't show. It looks like. Okay. So Murray apparently said. This is a great insult.

[00:33:54] So kudos to him, especially saying it to another bully. He said, go fuck your wife. I hear she needs it. I'm sorry. That's great. Well, you know what? That reputation that Chevy has lately. I wonder if that carried all the way back then, too. Oh, I'm sure. Oh, yeah.

[00:34:22] I think they just knew how better to stand up with the egos. It was kind of like Shatner. Okay, we'll give you your moment. Then we're going to on days you're not coming in. We'll film all these other guys' close ups so you don't. You know, cut them out of the movie unintentionally. Yeah, I think that's just that they were better at separating people. You couldn't get past anyone who was saying, you know, anti-Semitic or sexist slurs, unfortunately. But, you know, you were always going to have an asshole.

[00:34:51] And they just knew how to kind of like how, you know, Larry Sanders, you know, parodies. They just knew when to cut the cameras off and say, okay, go home. You pissed everybody off. Go home. You're done. Did anybody else notice, like, the sign before the caddies went to the pool? Did you guys see the sign? Yeah. There are some crazy signs. It says, caddies, welcome 1 o'clock to 1.15. Oh, my God.

[00:35:22] Madonna with meatballs. Oh, man. So, the scene when she's going to show him, help her sort her holy cards, you know, he goes upstairs with her. Danny. Yeah. I love the, I pipe in this Hallmark style music. Like, you almost have harps and choirs coming out, you know, because they're kind of... Oh, I totally...

[00:35:45] Well, and then the underwear she was wearing was like granny, you know, granny underwear compared to what Lacey Underall was ending up with. Lacey Underall. Oh, man. What a great name. I also saw something odd about that. They show the kid jumping up and down outside. They cut to outside. He looks like he's tall enough to just look through the window. But he had the same red shirt on, so I don't know if it was... It was funnier that he was hopping. Yeah. That's true. That's true. He didn't know what to do, so they're just like, just jump.

[00:36:15] Apparently, Murray also yelled to Chevy Chase, medium talent, before he went on stage. Oh, yeah. I've read about that in that Tom Shields movie. Wouldn't that have been funny had he yelled it at someone in this movie? Medium talent. I'll show you. But I always loved when looking at the DVD growing up, how it looks like an action movie. The way Murray is trying to, you know, put explosives in the... He bites the head off. He bites the head off of the rabbit that's made of that explosive clay. Yeah.

[00:36:45] Like it's a grenade. Yeah. Well, the best part about that is the gopher watching him through the window. The gopher is like, what? It's like... That's the thing. You know it's a puppet, but it's a really good puppet. It's not the... It's not the... It's not half-assed where you're like they didn't even try. When he's going through and putting the explosives in the holes and stuff, he says, hi, just a harmless squirrel. Not a plastic explosive or anything. Nothing to be worried about.

[00:37:17] Going back to that. Going back to the gopher for a moment. He appears in a lot of scenes. And if you notice during the big dance they had, like in the middle, that gopher was dancing. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Outside. That's right. Good call. Good call. Yeah. And... But that was what was cool too. It was a good excuse for some cool puppetry. And then syncing up like he's doing it. He's dancing secretly while they're all dancing. Yeah.

[00:37:45] It was just something to sync it all together instead of only comes out when to provide another gag for Murray. It's a character in and of itself. Yep. The thing I was... They didn't use him properly. Or a gopher. Gopher? I feel like someone in Fargo definitely got inspired by Bill Murray's characters. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Will, what were you saying? I was just saying in Caddyshack 2 they didn't really use that gopher very well.

[00:38:15] No. No. Yeah. You know, and they opened the movie with the Jaws. Could have given us something. Something. They opened that movie with a Jaws theme. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like you guys are not, you know, doing it justice. And it is eight years after the first one. And that is a good transition. So during the amazing moment where the kid gets out the Snickers bar and Frank started wanting to think,

[00:38:45] and that he, you know, laid dormant. The stinkiest dump ever in the pool. Has anyone you known ever done a prank similar to that? To where they tried to... I did. You did. So did everyone vacate the pool as a result? No, because they saw me do it. And I was like... I was like... Prank fell. That's a good one. That's happened to me. And it was no... It happened to me. And it was no prank. Oh. Oh.

[00:39:15] Sorry, dude. Oh, wait. No. I do take it back. I did do that. Like, Will. Will. I'll take it back. I did do that when I was two years old in a kiddie pool in Florida. It had to be Florida. I was in a kiddie pool. And I said, mommy, mommy, mommy. My mom was at the edge of the pool. And then all of a sudden, surprise. And they... Surprise. So there's a picture of me and all these kids sitting outside the pool. Like, standing outside the pool. My mom's holding me. Like, I didn't know what I did wrong. She's like, come out of the pool. Come out of the pool.

[00:39:45] And, like, they had to drain the pool and everything. I was like, oh, Jesus. So then my mom's watching Caddyshack. Fast forward, like, 20 years later. My mom's watching Caddyshack. And she's like, oh, my God. You know that scene in the pool? Jay, you know the candy bar? That reminded me of you when you pooped in the pool by accident in Florida. I was like, yeah, mom. I remember that very well. Thanks for bringing that up. I'm going to reiterate that I saw it. I didn't do it. Oh, yeah. Right, right, right. And as long as it wasn't on you, that's also good.

[00:40:13] But I think that's the callback into part two is because they're playing the Jaws theme during this segment. Yeah, you know who did the voice of the Gopher in Caddyshack 2? Fred Newman. Fred Newman? Nope. Frank Welker. Frank Welker. Frank Welker. He did do more talking. Yeah. Kind of talking but not talking in that second one. In fact, it opens up with the Jaws theme and he pops up and he says, I'm back.

[00:40:43] So I realized, just realized, the Gopher's tormenting Bill Murray throughout the movie. Dane Rodney is tormenting Ted Knight throughout the movie. Oh, yeah. He's just constantly messing with you. There you go. It's a great parallel. There you go. Well, and Chevy Chase is the laid back guy throughout the entire thing. Yes, he is. Well, this is why this was a great chat.

[00:41:08] Because we're just like, let's not talk anything about the awful sequel and let's talk about the first movie. So don't you just love the tagline for the first one where it's like, some people just don't belong. Oh, yeah. That's amazing. I had my Bushwood. I just wore my Bushwood Country Club shirt like the day before 4th of July. And everybody's going, Bushwood? I've never heard of Bushwood. I've never heard of Bushwood Country Club? One of the greatest golf courses of all time.

[00:41:38] In fact, it would be taken care of by Mr. Carl Spacker. The Cinderella story. Came out of nowhere. Doing the Masters. He's about 465 yards from it. Everybody looks at me like, what the hell are you talking about? I said, you've never seen Caddyshack. And there are people in my office. Tell me you haven't seen it without telling me. Yeah. Tell me you haven't. I've said, have you ever seen Caddyshack? And there's maybe like 90% of the people I know have not seen Caddyshack. They've seen Who's Your Caddy?

[00:42:07] But they've never seen Caddyshack. I've seen Garbage, one of the worst rated movies of all time. They haven't seen Caddyshack. Okay. I'm done. Well, Jerry Lewis said... Stop the recording. Jerry Lewis had the Caddy. I'm walking out. Wasn't Martin Lewis the Caddy, too? You know? Oh, man. That's garbage. I hope you unfriended those guys. You just don't need that kind of negativity in your life. You just don't.

[00:42:34] Who has even heard of Who's Your Caddy? He looks up with Lacey. Lacey. With who does? Lacey House. And then he breaks in on him and there's a big... Yeah. The funniest thing about that scene is the final line when their old friends show up. Oh, and they're sitting there waiting for him to come back down. Yep. The woman says, that must be the tea. The woman crashes to the floor. Okay. And cut. We got it. You know. That's okay.

[00:43:04] Well, and then the wife wanted her stretch marks lufid. The lufid. Yeah. Oh, then that look she gives him, too. Yeah. Danny. There's a lot going on for a silly... Well, you know that... It's basically a silly movie, but there's so much going on. Well, if you talk to the... Go ahead, Will. If you talk to the actress... I mean, because she said it in this documentary. She's like... The scene where she's with Chevy Chase.

[00:43:34] And he's, you know, putting oil on her back. Yeah. And he just drops the whole bottle, basically. She didn't know that was coming. Right. And then he had... And he snores salt and she didn't know that. And you can watch her. In that scene, she's like, I want... You can... But then she starts laughing, so... But then this... You know, but yeah, he's got that oil all over her. And then the punchline to that is... When he gets down with her, he slips off her and falls on the floor. Yes.

[00:44:02] Yeah, that's a testament to just the various types of humor that is in this movie. We got... You got your deadpan. You've got your over-the-top. You've got... You've got sight gags. You've got... You've got just about everything you can think of. Even slapstick. Like, hey... This quite possibly might be the most comedic movie ever made.

[00:44:29] Because you have so many different types of humor being thrown in there. Yeah. Speaking of side gags, I noticed... We're showing her right now the caddy tournament. They show a shot of the trophies. Yeah. The prize with the trophy. Socks. Yeah. The first place, it looked like they got a gift card. Yeah. Second place was golf socks. And third place was a plastic bag of golf tees. Oh, my word. They could have spent a little bit more.

[00:44:59] I know the caddies, but, you know. That was a nice thing. I love... I love... I love when the old couple are, like, golfing. He's like, Mr. Haverkamp, your ball's right over there, sir. So he says, no, no, Mr. Haverkamp, the green's right over there, sir. It's like, whee! Oh, that's a peach, honey. By golly, I'm hot today. Yeah, because she knocked her right in the pond. Yeah. Oh, God.

[00:45:29] Then in the middle of the movie, you have this bishop with the holiest of all golf games. That ends with a... Oh, God. Yeah, he's like, there's no way he's going to interrupt my perfect game. And then he's... Yeah. And then he gets... Then he gets... He's an atheist. The next scene, he's a drunken and atheist. There is no God. There is no God. And I guess that actor had been in silent films. He'd been around forever. Oh. Yeah.

[00:45:56] Yeah, I'd heard he was in some, like, classic movies, but I couldn't... I can't remember what they were, though. Yeah. Oh, so many. I wonder where he hid that one thing that one time. Your brother's sister's... The guy that was in that thing. That guy who was in that thing. Did you get the thing that I sent you? Yeah. I'm trying to look for that line that... Um... Freaking...

[00:46:24] Brian Doyle Murray tells about the caddy scholarship. And he's like... He's like, as most of you know, you know, had a brain aneurysm while he was a brain... Oh, the kid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The caddy that died. Yeah. But you didn't like him. And then... Yeah. And somebody says that, and he goes, shut up. Shut up. Shut up. No. Yeah.

[00:46:51] Brian Doyle Murray's best line is when they were doing the... Who was going to shoot first in the... Who shoots first? Yeah. In the very end... In the competition at the very end. Because he says, you're on... Something like, your honor, your honor. It'd be your honor, your honor. It's an honor. Exactly. Your honor. Does he say... And Brian Doyle...

[00:47:20] And the thing about that... I thought I wanted to say that after he says it. I think so. The thing about that is that that's actually a golf term. That's at least a term in sports. Sometimes the person who goes first, they consider it called your honor. Okay. Was it used before this 1980? Yeah, it was. Well, that's wild. But it's like... I caught it. It was like, oh, my God.

[00:47:45] This is one of the jokes that you'd have to be in tune with golf to really get. But that's the other thing, too. Like, they're saying what they need to say, but they're not saying it the right way. Yeah. And then, you know, Brian Doyle Murray in each one of his scenes, he always ended with telling somebody to pick something up. Yeah. And then after the fight, he's like... In the fight, he's like, hey, Angie, pick up that blood. Yeah. I can think about it.

[00:48:14] He tells Danny to pick up the tissue, and then the judge calls him. Did he still have the tissue in his hand? You know, when he's talking to the judge. I love, too, he comes to the judge's office, he's got his back to him. He says, sit down. He's already sat down. Come on, Danny. Like, what do I have to do here? The lamp was in his way, too. Let me just say, I think Bill Murray's character is inspired by Crazy Harry from The Muppets. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. Somebody say bang.

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[00:49:41] Listen at Brent-fest.com, Apple Podcasts, or wherever fine podcasts are found. I think the thing that got me the most was like, when they did this movie, like nobody knew, like it was just a movie, I think the outline was just like this. Typical comedy, slow budget, let's make it. Yeah. You know, and I think, I think the main reason they want to do it is because of two things. Number one, Chevy Chase was in it, he was coming off of a lot of hits, like, you know. So, um. Foul Play. Foul Play. And, uh. Goldie Hawn.

[00:50:12] What was it? No, no. What was the one? Did he get the other one with Goldie Hawn? Foul Play. Foul Play. Oh, seems like old times? Seems like old times. Yeah. I think he was just about to do Oh Heavenly Dog. Or he just did Oh Heavenly Dog. And then like right after this, he makes Under the Rainbow and you're just like, oh shit. Well, and then Bill Murray had come off of like, uh, Meatballs or something. Meatballs. Yeah. Meatballs.

[00:50:40] And he was just about to, and he did like Stripes, I think, because Ramis, I think, directed Stripes. I think Ivan Reitman. He did. No, did Reitman direct Stripes or was it, was it Ramis? I think it was Ramis. No, it was Reitman. I think it was Ivan Reitman. So Reitman directed, but Reitman wrote it. Okay. Yeah. All right. So like, you gotta realize they're coming off. He's coming, he's coming off of Meatballs. He's just listening to it live. And, you know, now he's going to do this movie and that starts his career off.

[00:51:10] And that starts, this also starts, um, Dangerfield's career off because remember he does this, he does Easy Money. He does, uh, Back to School. 86. Yep. But then he did things like Ladybugs later. Oh God. It's too late. He's going to be Easy Money. There's a great line in Lost in America when he's trying to get a job in some small hick town and, and he's trying to say, we, you know, we're starting our lives over just like they did in Easy Rider.

[00:51:39] I didn't see that film. Money, though. It was a funny movie. Easy Money, I like. Oh man. Oh man. The bunny dropped his carrots. The bunny drops carrots. Do you think this is Ramis and Murray's best hour or is there a better, do you like them better in other stuff like Groundhog's Day and what have you? Man Who Knew Too Little. Groundhog Day is a, that's a great film. I haven't watched it. No, the post-classics, but it's just.

[00:52:09] Well, you know. Go ahead. Better actor than that. Bill Murray. Right. He's playing, he's playing a dude, you know. Don't ever watch it on regular TV. You'll lose your place. Yeah. Oh, with commercial. Yeah. You're like, wait, didn't we just see this part? I think somebody figured out it's actually 73 days or something like that. I think so. Someone finally did the math on it. It was just like in Back to the Future. It's just like a time travel.

[00:52:36] You know, when they were doing like Animal House and then, you know, this movie, it was more raw. It was the start of their careers and their humor was more raw. That's why they're fresh. They're really fresh here. They're, I don't mean to say they're high, although I'm sure they were. I just mean, they're just really ready to go to work and let it rip. And then by, yeah. And then by the time you get Groundhog's Day, it's a more refined, refined approach.

[00:53:05] And kudos to whoever, however they made the movie work, because like they were not getting along at that time, but you would never know watching that movie. Yeah, they, I, the Murray is so standoffish the whole movie. You would never know he was being an asshole behind the scenes. Well, they said in the documentary that, you know, the two got in the scene together and they acted like professionals, you know? That's so wild. It's just, some people can do that.

[00:53:33] They'll argue, they'll treat craft services and makeup like shit. And then, oh, I'm becoming a character as if I, that whole incident never happened. It's just like, wow. Wow. If anybody remembers in the, I think the 20, was it 2012 Oscars? They were mentioning best screenplay and he just said something about Harold Ramis and the crowd went nuts.

[00:53:57] Cause like, you know, that was just a little tribute to Harold, you know, but I think, I think. That was rough, man. Oh, that was rough. I mean, when he died, I was like, what the fuck? You know? It's just so sudden. Yeah. Ramis was like this guy you didn't realize was writing like all this shit and stuff that we grew up with, like National Lampoon's Vacation. He directed that. And you're starring in Ghostbusters. You're like, whoa.

[00:54:25] And again, kudos to Ivan Reitman too. He's like, Ramis is weird. Marie's even weirder. And you need a leash to rein him in. And I know when to shut up and just use the best moments of both. So it is just so funny hearing all these creatives create all this stuff together and just knowing not when to step on each other's toes. It's just so wild. Sorry.

[00:54:56] I would in the great debate of Harold Ramis and Bill Murray, I think Striped is an underrated classic. Oh, yeah. Oh, I can watch that over and over. Yeah. Especially the mud wrestling scene. Most comedies. Some mud wrestling. Good comedies. Well, sir, we were on our way for some bingo and we got some directions and we wound up in the wrong spot. John's a big fan of it. You've seen it on the podcast. Shut up.

[00:55:25] There's so much. I can't just go shut up. Shut up. I take it you guys have heard the community story. They were going to actually work it. That's why. That's where Joel McHellen's character got his last name from, Joel and Jeff Winger. Oh. And they were going to work in Bill Murray as his dad and they can never do it because Murray kept flaking out saying not now, not now. Like, shit, that would have been great. You could tell there were some chemicals on the set in this scene in the writing where

[00:55:53] she says she's into skinny skiing. I can kind of see it. Skinny skiing. Yes. And also going to bullfights on acid. It's like, who said? I watched it again. I was like, what the? What? What'd she just say? It's always funny when it's on TV and they're having to censor the, well, they're having to censor the skinny dipping segment in the pool. Yeah. Did they allow the skinny skiing line? I think the line still remains. Yeah. I'm sure.

[00:56:24] All they do really is just eliminate some of Murray's cursing, but there's plenty of other stuff still left in. That's fine. I kind of wonder how they changed. I smell varmint poontang. Varmint? Yeah. They probably just say, I smell varmint piss or something, I think. Yeah. Which is just as funny, but they probably say it in a crappy alternate voice. But I remember looking at the blooper reel on the DVD back in the day and man, it's

[00:56:51] just like, that was intriguing to me because it wasn't necessarily a funny blooper reel, but it was just like, see, this is how you get good stuff. You have them just keep going until done, you know, move on. We'll use the best take. It's like, that is the honestly the best way to do comedy. Just get them in a moment, get the camera frame. Don't take too long setting it up and just let the actor just naturally go in and just

[00:57:19] create this crazy contraption that you call a character. There's the oil scene in the background there. The oil scene. And he falls off. Yeah, she's breaking up right there because she didn't know this. Yeah. It's kind of like in Harry met Sally when he does the I decided today we are going to talk like this. And she starts and she looks you can see her look over at Rob Reiner directing like is keep rolling, you know. Right.

[00:57:48] She wasn't expecting it. But the audience thinks she's just looking around confused. But you look at it. She's looking. But it plays so well, you know, and knowing that it plays plays great. Yeah. Well, and again, you're not going to notice that until you've seen it 20 times. Kind of like when you see the mom and brother crack up while improvising the insults in E.T. OK, stop. Don't do that, Elliot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, the one thing.

[00:58:18] And it can kill younglings. And it's just so funny saying even McGregor trying to hold back his laughter. That's. Wait, he was trying hard not to laugh. Yes. Look it up. Look up the youngling scene. You'll see that a mild smile comes out underneath that beard. It's just unavoidable once you see it. And you're like, oh, man. I also like watching Jaws and Melinda. Who's Roy Scheider's wife in that? Oh, Linda Gray. Linda Gray.

[00:58:48] In the book, she has an affair with the. With the. With the mayor or something, right? With Hooper. Hooper. Yeah. There you go. So. And if you watch the movie, there's some flirtation going on when they're at dinner with. Yeah. That's as much as he hints at it. Well, no, no. My favorite part of that is when they're. When. When Michael gets attacked at the pond and she's running and she gets a side stitch. Ah. Watch that scene. OK. She gets a side stitch. I was like, what the.

[00:59:18] Wait, hold on. Your. Your kid's in trouble and you get a side stitch and you're like. Like. Oh, my God. That'd have to be like one of those things. Like, you know, keep that. Keep that in there. Keep that in. You know. What? What's the side stitch? I don't. A sharp. Running. In your abdomen. OK. Oh. And they kept it. Kept it. If you just don't warm up before you do a quick run. It's a cramp. OK. Got you. That made it. That made it more real. Right. Because that would happen. But like. It's like. It's like James is hitting at it. Is this like.

[00:59:48] It's just. It's just so in the moment. It's like, don't cut it. We need that. And. Yeah. Again, Spielberg is the ultimate eliminator. Keep it. Or kill it. Just bling it out. It doesn't fucking matter. And people are OK with it. Because he's just so gentle. And even if. Most of your scenes end up deleted. They're like, hey. It was a fun experience. And. I feel like Harold Ramis is bringing that same kind of attitude. With comedy. He's just like. Make it work. If it doesn't work. You'll never know. You know. You see this scene in Back to School.

[01:00:17] Where Kinison's going off on Dangerfield. Yeah. They had to film it from the back. Because Dangerfield was cracking up. He kept cracking up. He kept cracking up. So you see his head bobbing up and down. Like he's laughing. You know. Good answer. Good answer. He really cares about what. I have no idea. And I'm sure you guys have heard about Robin Williams. There's several times where the cameraman. And both Goodwill Hunting and the birdcage. Are being told. Keep it steady. And they're struggling. Because he doesn't keep making everyone laugh.

[01:00:47] Yeah. Oh yeah. The year of the shepherd line. The year of the shepherd. And then there's a few other ones. Where it's like. It probably did. It wasn't so much that. It was just. I'm sure the editor had a hectic day. Trying to stabilize the film. Right. Before digital. Everything was good. You ever see the original Ace Ventura. When he's doing the scene. When he's playing. Like you know. He's got the tutu on.

[01:01:17] He's in the mental hospital. Right. Yes. And then he does the whole thing backwards. You could tell. Courtney Cox and the other guy. They're just like. Like just holding their. Holding their mouths. Going like. You know. Like they're trying hard not to laugh on screen. I mean. That's the great thing about that. You know. No. That's true. Yeah. You know. It's always great. How many times do you see it on SNL. When it's actually live. You know. Like. Yes. You know. Well. It's great. Because if you. If you pay attention. Even in stuff that they keep in sitcoms. And stuff like that.

[01:01:46] If there's a funny moment going on. And you see somebody covering their mouth. Or something. Yeah. No problem. Yes. Before Bill Hader. Is. Everyone's trying to trip him up. Because they know he's going to laugh. And give out the craziest guffaw. Oh man. The one that cracked up the most. Is when he was doing stuff fun. It's like. You'll meet the Jewish Dracula. Jewish Dracula. Who is that? Sydney Applebaum. And he started cracking up. You know what else is fun in Caddyshack.

[01:02:16] The intertwined. The boat crash. Oh yeah. That's what you got on in the background now. That's great. Half the other. I wonder how they filmed that. Maybe they. Maybe they had some experience. With some people who did Jaws. Right. There you go. Stug in. Well this is the movie that turned Baby Ruth into Jaws. So yeah. Would you still eat that? If it was in chlorine. I wouldn't.

[01:02:46] But you see some of them going for it. They're like. Oh. Gross. Those are big moves. At the end of the movie. They cut between. Murray and the. And the gopher. And then the golf game. But they also. Almost the entire cast shows up. Cast shows up. Watching them. And taking side bets on other stuff. Like is he. Yeah. Oh. Like the picking the nose scene. Yes. Everybody in the movie winds up. Everybody in the movie winds up in the last 20 minutes. So it's really. That's what I love too. It gave them something to do. Instead of.

[01:03:15] We only filmed your scenes in one day. Right. How would you like to be the actor that's known for picking his nose on camera? Yeah. Bording. Bording. This calls for the Billy Balloon. Or barfing into a car. Yeah. Do the Billy, Billy, Billy. I can't. Oh yeah. Billy, Billy, Billy. $40,000.

[01:03:43] Did Ted Baxter have something like that too? He repeated a word or. I. Maybe it's just catty. Maybe. Maybe. You might be onto something. I always get the feeling Ted Baxter just smells or related to some strange way. They probably are. But. There's how we connect. Evil. He's the evil twin. Yeah. Twin cousins. But he lets out some other unusual bark when he's fighting on the field. Oh. Oh. I feel like. Brian did it. He stole that in.

[01:04:12] What's that stupid Chris Farley movie? Tommy Boy. Yeah. I was going to say. Which. Which one? Yeah. Which one? They're all dumb. Yeah. It would be Tommy Boy. There's a little bit of Flamingo Kid in this movie too. Flamingo Kid. Oh my God. So where Danny. Gary Marshall saw this instead. wants to get the scholarship and kiss his butt with the judge. Yes. But in the movie season for what he is. There you go. And that happens with Matt. Matt Dillon's character. The same kind of. Caddy Shack.

[01:04:42] He's a card cheat. You know. Caddy Shack created the trope. Yeah. And Flamingo. Gary Marshall ran with it. He's like sure. Yeah. Let's. Well. The guy. Danny actually helps the judge cheat at one point too. I'll move it again. Yeah. He is. Yeah. Where he's kicking it. He's kicking his ball across the green. Yeah. The judge is his mentor. You know. His mentor. Kind of guides him on the right path. After berating him. And everybody else. Yeah. These shenanigans man. These shenanigans. And. Now.

[01:05:12] I think if you do an ensemble like this. Everybody either wants to hog too much of the movie. Or they just. Don't know how to place the various things. It's like. Come on. Give everyone a moment. And use the best moments. Well. I mean. If you had a director. To these days. Who would try to do their version of Caddy Shack. I wouldn't mind seeing Seth MacFarlane's version. Oh no. That would be great. I think it'd be fine. I'm sure Will Ferrell would do something like it. But it would. He would really need to be reined in. You would want to really.

[01:05:41] Give everyone something funny to do. If you want to do a Tropic Thunder. Kind of equivalent. I'm cool with that too. But like. Don't. Don't just like. Be like. And then so and so. And then so and so. And they're not even playing a character. They're just playing. Well he's. He's going to be doing. I know he's going to be doing. The naked gun. Right. And he's going to be doing the naked gun. And with Liam Neeson in that. You're going to see Liam Neeson do it where. He's. You know. You've seen him in Taken. In all these other movies. I think he's going to just play. Liam Neeson in Taken.

[01:06:09] But completely clueless of what's going on. Oh I'm sure. I've heard about this for years. Kind of like the Sucker Brothers in general. Actually going to go through with doing this. Because I've been hearing about naked gun for years being remade. Hang on. Let me look it up. Hold on. I think you're right. I think it's still a thing. I just keep being surprised. Because. I don't. Has Liam Neeson ever done a comedy? Well he was in A Million Ways to Die in the West. Yeah. That one Steve Martin movie. He's a cowboy. But did he play it straight or. Yes.

[01:06:39] Or he parody his character a little bit. Yes. But he has a lot of other scenes. Like he's also in Ted too. Remember he's that customer who keeps coming back. And he's all bloodied and bruised up. Hey I'm here to get some groceries. Yeah. He's also in. He also played a role in. In the Orville. Yes. Founder of the world. Wasn't he in a movie with Justine Bateman when she was in a rock band? Oh. Yeah. That was called Satisfaction. Yeah. Was that Liam?

[01:07:08] That was him. That was. Was that kind of before you took. He wasn't playing it for laughs. I don't think. He just did that because Julia Roberts was his date at the time. So. Yeah. Okay. I don't know who you are. I don't know who you are. I like your music. I like your music. I thought you said Eric was on this movie. Damn it. Oh man. Oh here's the. The. The holy golf game.

[01:07:38] The holy golf game. I could see Mel Brooks doing something like this back in the day. But. He kind of lost his window on making fun of sports and other wacky characters. But same kind of modus operandi. Give everyone. A wacky character to play. So they're not feeling like they're. Pigeon holed. Or not get. Doing enough for one big movie. You know. Just. Yeah. It's a sharing ensemble. Instead of three people are holding it together. I'm kind of curious. Jonathan Silverman.

[01:08:07] When he's in Caddyshack 2. Did. Had he had. Had he done Weekend at Bernie's before. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Shoot. Well I mean. Because. Because I mean. That was a. That was a funny movie. And then he comes and does Caddyshack 2. And it's like. His character wasn't really. Explored too much in that. All we know. He's barely in it. He's barely in it. Yeah. Oh. Cigarette guy wound up in the Porky's movies too.

[01:08:37] Yeah. I can't. I can't think of his character's name. The guy with a cigarette dangle on. That guy. Yeah. Oh yeah. The. The. The bad. Or the. The. The nemesis. The nemesis. Yeah. The other caddy. But by the end. They're friends. And they make me really cry. He's rude for Noonan at the end. That was so touching. He's the one who didn't want to spend 50 cents for a Coke. Yeah. Oh my God. Are you diabetic or something? Wow. I guess. Yeah.

[01:09:07] I guess you could get a Coke for 25 cents in 1979. So yeah. In a bottle. Glass bottle. Yeah. Wow. So basically Ramis did the thing for Caddyshack too. He did. He did. He wrote it. He wrote it. But I think there was a lot of. Undisclosed writers on it besides him. Yeah. Yeah. Is it possible Riff Tracks took that on? They haven't yet. I don't know. Because they don't really do any comedies. But. Oh that's true.

[01:09:37] What's stopping them? What's stopping them? You know. Well they did the Three Stooges. Yeah. Right. That was why. The thing about Ramis and Caddyshack too is I think if I heard correctly he wanted his name off of it. Right. Right. Right. And I can understand why. It was a multitude of writers I think that took his script and wrote over it. Basically. Is it worth watching just to see how bad it is or just don't waste my time?

[01:10:08] Depends. I mean you can watch it as a comparison if you want to see Jack. Compare Jackie Mason to like Rodney Dangerfield. Okay. You know see where they went wrong and how they took Bill Murray or not Bill Murray. Dan Aykroyd and Randy Quaid and they were kind of like split versions of Bill Murray's Well look at it like Major League where Randy Quaid's Captain Jack. Did Chevy phone it in? Yeah. But like you remember me. Yeah. He pretty much phoned it in on that one. You remember.

[01:10:37] My father once said this about Major League. Those are on TV all the time on MLB. I remember how Randy Quaid was kept in check there. But then you get to part two of Major League and you're like shut up. Yeah. It's not funny. Your guy is booing everybody but it was well played in everything. Well Randy Quaid played basically a lawyer who wants to hit everybody over the head with a baseball bat. Right.

[01:11:05] I could just see that in the writer's room. Hey Randy's character is pretty funny in the first one. Let's let's build that character up more. No. Right. It was funny because he was you didn't overdo him. He sucked but he was it was well done enough. You were in on the joke. Clearly they weren't and the director and editor just did it very well. And then you had Dan. I know Cam loves Star Trek 6 but they tried Star Trek. Oh Star Trek 5. 5. I'm sorry. 4. I don't love it but I do like watching it.

[01:11:36] They overdid it in 5. I mean singing Ro Ro Ro. What does God want? What does God need a star ship? It's a good question. Too bad you got to go for a lot of confusion just to get there. I will say in the theater that God character was very effective. The sound was terrific. Oh yeah. Yeah. They did a really good job of that. All that lightning coming out and he's shocking everybody and you're like. Mike he was not God. I know yeah. He was an imposter yeah but it's just so funny.

[01:12:04] But they bookend it with Ro Ro Ro you both. That should have been on the. Yeah. That should have been on a Christmas special. Not in a. That's not those characters at all. It'd be funny if someone. You know how podcasts are always doing movie face-offs. They should do Star Trek 5 against the Star Wars holiday special. Yeah. Oh buddy. It's going to be a fill day. There's going to be so many trackies that are like I can't survive a minute of part 5. It's boring. And then there's going to be others like.

[01:12:34] Well at least the Jefferson Starship part is worth fast forwarding to in the holiday special. Fuck that movie. Fuck it. Fuck it. I will say you want it. You stay with Star Trek 5. You want to see what's going to happen. I will give it to you. Right. Yeah. It's not good but it's interesting. And the rip tracks for it is great. Like they are making fun of all the Mad Max looking extras. Yeah. I think I've watched it once. I should do that again. What's that? The Star Wars holiday special? Oh Star Trek 5. But you know.

[01:13:04] Oh Star Trek 5. If you do the holiday special. You're going to need a lot of beer. And a lot of people making jokes in addition to the rip tracks. You know. And I was just the right age for that. When it aired that one time on TV. That one time. Oh yeah. Can you think of any other special that's only been aired once? I'm not talking like Trilogy of Terror or something that got banned for a while because people had an imagination. I'm talking like. The Paul Lind Halloween special. Oh. Oh God. With Kiss. Kiss and the Phantom of the Park. And yeah.

[01:13:33] It's always Kiss. Kiss ruins everything. I love Kiss. No Starship's in the Star Wars special. Yeah. Oh you imagine if Kiss was in that too? Oh God. I was stopping them. Were they not affordable? Oh. Wow. Oh here's his. And Gene Simmons missed out on an opportunity to get a holiday special out there. Yeah. Oh man. I noticed too in this movie. There's a Warner Brothers cartoon.

[01:14:02] You pretty much. Bill Murray's the coyote to the Gophers Roadrunner. Yeah. I was going to say that's the Warner Brothers cartoon stuff in that movie. That's absolutely. Yeah. I mean it makes sense. All these inventions to try to get the Gopher and he always won ahead of him. Yeah. There you go. We just found out the origin of the Space Jam universe. I love it. But yeah. Caddyshack 2. Oh God.

[01:14:33] I wanted to like it. But I didn't. I want to just. I've seen. I've never seen just like five minutes of it on cable. I can't. I can't watch it. It was like the classic. You got a PG sequel to an R-raid movie and that. The content doesn't have anything to do with it. But you know. Not to mention it was far enough removed from. From the original time wise that. Yeah. You weren't going to get that much crossover. You would have been better off making a made for TV sitcom.

[01:15:03] Chubby Chase was the only one that carried over and he was barely in it. Right. Even Kenny Loggins. So. Kenny Loggins. Yeah. So is this like. K-Log. And again. K-Log. They're getting them putting the movie together. Hey Rodney was funny. He's a stand up comic. Let's use Jackie Mason. He's a stand up comic. I got to. Lightning doesn't strike twice. You know. That makes me think. How. I mean. Rodney Dangerfield. He'd been a comedian for quite a while. When did he get his start? 1960s. It was 1960s. And Jackie Mason.

[01:15:33] Does he go back to the. The Sullivan Show. Jackie Mason goes back to the Catskills. And then he was on the Sullivan Show. And there's the famous finger incident. Right. That got him banned off the Sullivan Show. And then he came back like I think two years. Like three years later. The night. One night. The Rolling Stones were on. But like. Oh man. What happened was like Mason went back to doing the Catskills. And he. He. He. He. He. He found this. He had this thing where he was just like. He went on Broadway.

[01:16:02] He said the world according to me. And. Yeah. Got to be a big hit. And what happened was. Was that. And I take it. Mike. You remember his Simpsons episode. Like fodder like clowns. He was good in that. The rabbi. The right vehicle is fine. But not. Don't try to do Rodney. You know. The thing was. He's basically trying to do Rodney's character again. The thing was. Was that he had no chemistry with Diane Cannon. He didn't know how to act on. He. He'd acted on film. But. You know.

[01:16:31] It was just short roles. Like I remember him being in The Jerk. With Steve Martin. A great movie. And History of the World. Part one. With Mel Brooks. And then he played one of the tailors. The robot tailors. In Woody Allen's Sleeper. That was it. I mean. He was doing. He was doing the. He was doing the cat skills. Like most of the time. Making good money doing that. But what happened. He wasn't being a main character. That was the problem. It was probably a lot to carry. But he just said yes. Instead of. Can I do the work. That they paid me to do. Yeah. It's like purple. In Love Happy. You can't carry the.

[01:17:01] Oh yeah. That was another thing. Diane. You see. It all comes back to the March voters. We love talking about them. And their skills. And then. Oh plus. This is the Marx Brothers movie. It's basically. It's totally Marx Brothers. They bring chaos. To the high society. So which one is Harpo. And which one is. Harpo would be Bill Murray probably. Well that's what it was supposed to be. He was supposed to be Harpo. So maybe Ted Knight. Is Groucho. I guess. Groucho would be Rodney. Groucho would be Rodney. Rodney. Okay. That makes better sense. More quips. Okay. Yeah.

[01:17:31] And Chevy's probably Chico. He's Chico. There you go. He's the ladies man. He was also close. I got you. There you go. Oh he has the scheme going. Well. Kind of. Kind of. For Plotkin. I want to see you. Well you want to. If you want to see something where they're. Really doing the Marx Brothers. Try Brain Donors. Oh yes. Yeah. Great movie to watch.

[01:18:01] I loved it. Because. All right. I love that movie. And I had. I told my friend. I told my friend Humphrey about it. He's like. Well I said yeah. They remade a night of the opera. He's like. No. I said yeah. They did. It's called Brain Donors. It's John Turturro. Yep. 1992. Bob Nelson. And. Who's the heavyset guy? Who directed it? Was it? It was. Zucker Brothers. Okay. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And. They. They. They did it as a loving tribute to the Marx Brothers.

[01:18:31] Because. If you watch it. You know. This is the weird thing. I'm watching it. And I'm like. This looks very familiar to me. And I'm like. Hang on. I'm like. Wait. I'm doing a Marx skit. And recreating it. Yeah. Turturro. Turturro. If they had done a Marx Brothers movie. If they had done a movie about Groucho Marx. Turturro would have been great as. As Groucho Marx. Because he had. He had the entire. Cadence. Of Groucho.

[01:19:01] He knows how to do so many styles. He can do. I know. He can do. Dorky. He can do. Yeah. He did. He did. He did that role. And I remember watching. I was thinking. Shit. He's doing. He's doing Groucho. Groucho would be impressed. I was impressed with John Turturro. When he did me right on his. Yeah. And I worked with Turturro. In 1952. When I was doing. A show in Las Vegas. But the thing is. What a brain donor. Then you go on.

[01:19:30] What a brain donor is. For 10 minutes. Yeah. There's a lot. There's a lot. Inside someone's head. There's. There's. There's. There's a line. There's a line. In that movie. That I love. When he says. He says. Two's company with three. Is an adult movie. It was called something else. I keep thinking. It was called something else. A blue movie. Yeah. No. It was called. The brain donors. Was. Was. Was. Was. The movie. It was a different title altogether. Brain.

[01:20:00] Yeah. Don't. I just. Let me just say. Caddyshack lives. Lives on. Like. If. For anyone who's seen trailer. Yeah. There is a. I've. Oh. Yeah. No. They didn't. Dennis Dugan directed it. Dennis Dugan. Okay. So close. Adam Sandler. And the Zucker brothers. Corotus. Corotus. Corotus. Corotus. Corotus. Corotus. And it was originally called. I kept thinking it was called something else. Like. It was based on the two.

[01:20:28] The two MGM movies that came out. Gotcha. The night. The opera. The day at the races. Yeah. It was a query watch. But it's on many streaming platforms now. Finally. Certainly. Oh it is. I think so. But. I gotta say. Anyone who hasn't seen trailer park boys. Check it out. You will definitely feel like you're. Watching a Harold Ramis or Ivan Reitman movie. And he actually produced their first movie. I just liken it to that. Because it's the same kind of deal. Like. All these characters go on. All this absurd. Just.

[01:20:58] Nothing journeys. And you're just. Gefying at it. The mockumentary style works for it. But same kind of deal. Like. These guys are living in a trailer park. Selling drugs. And. All these other guys are trying to. Instigate all these other conflicts. And. All these other bullies. Who think they're cool. But pretty inept at. You know. Trying to store the. Store trouble. Is just always such a hoot. And. I. I think.

[01:21:27] A lot of people are just afraid to do their own comedy. Thing. Nowadays. But like. When I saw Harold Ramis was helming some episodes of The Office. I think I had. Some hope for comedy. Because it's like. There's always going to be someone. Who just comes up with their own. Crazy premise. And finally are able. To use the right words. To convince. Someone to invest in their idea. You know. It's just. For the most part. You'll. You'll just see them. Just turn the camera on. And it's really stupid. You know. You know.

[01:21:58] I'm sorry. No. I was just going to say. JJ. You know. You're talking about. Your friend and stuff. I remember. I rented this movie. And watched it with my wife. And her family. And I'm watching it going. And I'm thinking to myself. Watching Brain Donors. And I'm sitting there going. This is the Marx Brothers. Yeah. Like. What are you talking about? I'm like. It's the Marx Brothers. And anyone who hasn't seen it. They're getting reintroduced. To all these things. That. Exist. I didn't say a movie specifically. But I said. This is the Marx Brothers. Their shtick.

[01:22:27] Rachel Harbour. That's how it was. When I introduced Jackie Chan. To some elders. They're like. This is Buster Keaton. This is Charlie Chaplin. Yeah. Oh yeah. I can see that. Sure. It was like. There's no doubt. It's just. Or. Sometimes you got to tell. Or Harold Lloyd. There you go. Harold Lloyd. And so then I'm having to tell people. You know. Oh. What's his name? Gene Kelly. Yeah. This is like. Yeah. You're having to tell them. Hey. You know. I'm not saying they're. Hackneyed. Or stealing. And that it's. It's a tribute.

[01:22:57] That. That thing. That is so inspiring. I think the one thing I love. About Caddyshack. Is like. The humor is not lost. Like. There's some movies you watch. You're like. You're like. I don't know. Why was this? You can do it without that one segment. Or watch it only if you're high. Yeah. Like if I watch. If I watch a movie like the Magic Christian. I get some of the jokes. But I don't get it. You know. When I watch. When I watch Caddyshack. I'm. Magic Christian. You went into the rabbit hole.

[01:23:27] That one. The Caddyshack jokes aren't necessarily topical. They're more. That's the thing. In general. Yeah. Yeah. They're not. They're not of the era. So they age better. And it only had one song. It's a set. You got this isolated golf course. The entire movie. And it had only one song. At the beginning. And the rest. You know. It wasn't. In lesser hands. They would have hired a music video guy. Who had no idea. And some other talent.

[01:23:57] Who just wanted to make it up. As they went along. And again. Besides. The insistence. From. John asshole Peters. That's it. Like. There wasn't any. No one was crossing each other. Or ending up on the wrong side. Of the golf course. So to speak. Like everybody knew. Where they needed to be. In the movie. They just. But yeah. I'm sorry. Will. Will you first. No it's alright. Go ahead. There's this one part. Of Brain Donors.

[01:24:27] I love. When he says. Dear Lillian. Soon I hope to take you. On a Caribbean cruise. Where you can hold hands. And watch. I watch. Some software eating. And watch. That old Jamaican moon. Why that old Jamaican moon. Will be mooning us. I have no idea. Yeah. But yeah. I was just going to say. Especially with. With. Chevy Chase's. You know. Lines in it. His were just like. Quick throwaway lines. It's like. Yeah.

[01:24:56] Like someone says. How do you measure yourself. With other girlfriends? By height. By height. Something quick. Something just got thrown away. I love how Chevy plays off. The European car here. With a steering wheel. On the other side. Hey. Where's the wheel? Where's the wheel? Doesn't he tell him. To quit joking around. Or I forget. That night. That's in Caddy Shack 2. I think. When he does that. Hey. Where's the wheel? Oh. There is something. Yeah. That's like the only thing. That covers. It's more subtle.

[01:25:26] On the first one. Well. He's in the hat. When Caddy Shack 2. He says. Oh. That's a picture of mom and dad. Oh. They're gone now. Yeah. They moved out of Florida. Last year. You know. Yeah. But then he goes. But. Oh. No. They're dead. No. No. They're dead. Yeah. It's kind of like. You kind of like. Oh. Yeah. Oh. Wow. You know. I like. I like in Caddy Shack. When he's like. You. You. You got. You got a pool in your house. So. She's. We got. We got a pond. I think we got a pond. We got a pond and a pool. Yeah.

[01:25:56] A pond and a pool. Yeah. A pond would suit you good though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like. Don't get in the pool. You get the pond. Then. He's the damn pond. Yeah. I love to swim in a pond. Yeah. He goes along. Yeah. Or when he says. When he says. He says. What are you doing this nape. Neck of the woods. I gotta say. The way Bill. Rodney. Golfs in the first part of this tournament. There's no way they would have won that. Remember he has. It's like. It's like totally blacked out.

[01:26:26] How many. Yeah. And their little. And his little. Well actually. His. His weren't as bad. That's just there too. Like the game is secondary to it. But like. Like you say. Like. Whatever happens. I think because you're leaning so heavily into all these crazy personas. You're. You don't care. Yeah. But. It doesn't feel like. Uh. Incompetent movie. If that makes sense. You know. Like any. A lesser filmmaker would have had too many things going on.

[01:26:57] And you would have been like. What is this signifying? Right. I guess because. It's just that rare movie. Because the gags are all working. You don't care. But it also serves it at the same time. Like. To connect it to the next skit. Instead of. Like. I'm just. And. You're not bored. So you're not waiting for the next amusing segment to happen either. Like. It's. It's just that weird. It's so hard to describe it. Is this. That kind of. Weird. That's rare. Crystal.

[01:27:26] They did have a lot of. Even with the explosions. The golf. It ends in a tie. Yeah. But. They. They. They worked that in. Because he says. He doubled the bet. If he gets that last shot. And at that point. It didn't matter if it was a tie. Just. He was going to get the last shot. There you go. It's making it even more complicated. Even. After the credits. So basically. The movie ends. Because. If we were to continue. It just would be. I don't think it'd be too much.

[01:27:55] But you'd be laughing less by then. You're like. Good grief. Well. In. In Caddyshack 2. There's an explosion at the end of that film. But instead of it. Subtly knocking in the golf ball. Into the hole. The family. That's in front of it. Blows up. Oh. It's just a cartoon explosion. They're all blackface. And their hair's all wild. Right. It was funny on paper. I'm sure. Yeah.

[01:28:25] There's a couple things in this one. You think the priest got killed by the lightning. And the next scene. He's. Like we said. He's. I'm fine. He's an atheist now. I feel like. The great outdoors. Eight years later. Definitely stole that scene. You know how there's the one guy. Who keeps getting shocked by lightning. Each time he goes outside. Oh. Yeah. John Hughes. Don't run. John Candy. John Candy and John Hughes. Both don't run. Candy. Shit. Crazy man. Great.

[01:28:56] The great outdoors. That's John. John Candy and Dan Aykroyd. Yep. Right. But. Written or. I don't think it's directed by Hughes. But it's definitely written. What did Neighbors with Volusia and Aykroyd? That was Adelson. John G. Adelson. Didn't they remake that? The director of Rocky. I don't think I would call that a remake. The one with Seth. Or Seth Rogen. Zach Efron. Seth Rogen. No. This was. This was something totally different.

[01:29:26] Based on a movie. Based on a book. And I remember that coming out. I remember because they were. They were hyping it. Because I remember. We were in the movie. Some. One time. And like. I wanted to go see Neighbors. And my mom was like. No. I don't think you want to see that Jay. Because it might. It might be a little too. Adult for you. I'm like six years old. I loved. I loved John Volusia and Dan Aykroyd. You know. But. You know. The movie itself was like. It's kind of like a. A depressing movie to watch. With this guy. But.

[01:29:56] You know. You find that later. You know. There's a lot of shit going on. We're still having to. Do that. Where. Unless. You're part of an ensemble. And you get the. You sneak the comedian in there. In a dramatic role. It's like. It's very hard to sell them up front. You could argue. Some people are more open-minded. And they just want to see their favorite performer. Do something different. Or. Be unrecognizable. But it's still a tough sell. I will still see people.

[01:30:25] Refuse to see a movie. Even if it's good. Because they're like. Well. I like that guy. But I don't want him to be serious. I want him to be funny. Sometimes they can be both. Like Robin Williams. And Whoopi Goldberg. Definitely played around with it a bunch. But like. Yeah. I mean. I really can't think of who can do that now. What was that movie Bill Murray did. That was like his first serious role. Something about Buffalo. The Razor's Edge. No, no. The Razor's Edge. Where the Buffalo Roam. The Razor's Edge. Where the Buffalo Roam. No, no, no. It's where the Buffalo Roam.

[01:30:56] And then it's. Where the Buffalo Roam. And then it's. Where the Buffalo Roam. And then. He's doing Andres Thompson. Okay. Well. And then. Then he does The Razor's Edge. Which wasn't that bad of a movie. When you're watching. Yeah. It was fine. It was just. But again. Same deal. Like no one knew how to market it. And so it caught on. Later on TV. When people were trying to see movies. About veterans. And. Coping with societal norms. It's. It's weird, man. I mean. Same thing with John Candy. I see him in JFK. I'm like.

[01:31:26] That's the. That's the comedian. What? He's playing some sort of. A Hepcat kind of character. I can't remember. Oh my God. I can't remember what. What was it? I mean. He's probably playing somebody from real life. But I don't know who he was playing. What in JFK? Yeah. Yeah. He's playing some guy. He was playing some. Like New Orleans. One of the other guys. Accused of the thing. That didn't have much to do with anything. No. He was one of the guys. Who knew something about Clay Shaw. Or Clay Birch. Right. But.

[01:31:54] For anyone who's read up on it. That whole case was a sham. But unfortunately. The movie acts like. It's so important. I'm like. Oh yeah. It didn't have anything to do with anything. JFK was based on historical fact. Right? No. It never happened. Is that what Alderman's known for? It completely never happened. When would that happen? No. It's about. It's an interesting watch. I will give it that. But it says. Have you guys watched Sherlock?

[01:32:25] Oh yeah. A while back. I've seen it. I've seen it. And I kind of like it. They're. Cumberbatch. They do the thing where he fakes his death. And there's all these theories about how they did it. That's definitely where the show becomes dark night. Like see what I did there. Well he explains to this detective how they actually did it. I just watched the episode. And then he goes. Wait a minute. And then. What they're doing is.

[01:32:53] It's not that he didn't tell them how they actually did it. They're playing on conspiracy theorists. And how they always. Rewrite history. No. This couldn't have happened. Well we actually saw the way it happened already. You know. And that's. I think that's what they were doing with that series. It definitely took apart the whole magician act. It's like what you think you saw. Did you actually see. Yeah. It's. Yeah. When the secrets reveal. It's always disappointing. Yeah. They even say that in the show. Oh. Well that's why. When we did.

[01:33:23] I loved doing the Penn and Teller skit with you. Because I was just like. Well episode with you. Because I. I admire that. That they are willing to let everyone in on their thing. Instead of be hush hush. And at the same time. That they're people. Persons. So. They're clearly good at vetting everybody. Saying this guy's serious. Versus this person. Just. Wants in. But doesn't actually want to learn the craft. You know. Yep. And. I'm sure.

[01:33:52] I wish more actor studios were like that. Because you see so many guys. Where it's like they're teaching. But are they really teaching the best skills. Or. They're accomplished. But would their skills that they're teaching. Be relevant in today's world. You know. Where everyone has different amounts of patience. Yeah. Is that the scene where. He gets that. That. Club. Back there. In the background. Yeah. He's doing them right now. He's doing the building. It's going to happen now.

[01:34:26] Someone should. A damn. The building. Robbie's kind of an eye looker. He's kind of lost his. Someone should have done. He gets the big scene at the end though. Someone should have spoofed it on Saturday Night Live years ago. Just had a digital short. Where. Someone redoes the scene or something. They just did Good Will Hunting on SNL. A couple weeks ago. Oh. Did they? Oh. They did. Yeah. Wow. And Robin shows up in a closet and says it's not your fault. It's not your fault. Oh. Shit. Man. I'm going to watch this.

[01:34:55] You might be able to get it on demand. I don't know. It was. It was. If it's a digital short. They probably got it on YouTube. No. It wasn't actually. It was somebody playing Robin Williams. It wasn't Robin himself. Oh. Okay. Well. Kudos to anyone being willing to do an impression of that. But like. It's a shame. Oh wait. Because Matt Damon was on the show. Right? I think Matt Damon. No. It wasn't. Somebody portraying Matt Damon too. Wow. Was it Matt Damon or was it? Matt Damon. It's a shame. No one wants to.

[01:35:24] To work with Bill Murray anymore. And I can't blame him. But. Man. Who do you think. What's going on with Bill Murray? He's. He's actually harassing and being a dick to everybody. Oh. Okay. Hadn't heard about that. Like he was working on a movie and they shut it down. Just because he refused to acknowledge anybody on set. I'm like. Good grief dude. Yeah. He was. Yeah. That's why he got picked off the second Charlie's Angels movie. That reminds me. Yeah. That reminds me. Caddyshack. When he's talking. He's.

[01:35:54] He's talking to that kid about the Dalai Lama stuff. And he's got this pitchfork. He's poking the kid with it. And then the doc. Yeah. In the documentary. The guy's saying. And he was hurting me with it. That thing was real. Yeah. Somebody actually saw blood out of his throat or something. Yeah. Which happens to cut. Oh man. They said Bill Murray was. No pun intended. We're waiting. We're waiting. They were saying Bill Murray. Well. Kind of off the wall. We're waiting. We're waiting.

[01:36:23] I take it. We all rank. Caddyshack. Cigarettes in your mouth aren't cool. The extras are really a hoot. I take it. We're going to rate the original movie a five out of five. Oh yeah. Yeah. I seriously have never encountered anyone who hated it. And if I have. I'm like. Okay. Then they're wrong. I'm like. Did you ever encounter anyone who liked Caddyshack 2? Unfortunately. Yes. And of course.

[01:36:53] They were wrong too. They're wrong too. But. It's in the shelf at the library. I might go check it out. We'll see. Oh dear. Well. I think the thing is. I think they just had nostalgia. Just. Because. They were the crowd who. Kind of like with every other slasher. Or monster movie. Because they kept renting it from the store. They just were like. Oh. It must be fun. I'm like. Just because you saw it a bunch. Before you were. A mature enough individual. Doesn't mean it's good.

[01:37:22] I remember being in Los Angeles. And they were like. Hyping it up. They were like. Hey. This summer. Caddyshack 2. And I'm like. Looking at it. I'm like. You weren't sold on it at all. You're like. What? Nah. You're not. Nah. You're not expecting. Weren't the gopher effects way weaker? Like. Yeah. They were. Doesn't look like a puppet. It just looks bad. But I think the thing that got me. Was like. If you want. If you read about the back end of that story. Like. Ramos was writing it.

[01:37:52] And then the guy who was the producer of that movie. Was like. Let's go see Jackie Mason. He's like. He's like. Uh-uh. No. No. No. No. No. You're not doing this. You're not doing this. And. He's just. You know. He's. He's. It's hard to film someone. He's not a great golfer. You make it theatrical. And his. His. His golf clubs were.

[01:38:21] More gimmicky than. Dangerfield's. Clubs were. Yeah. In the big huge bag. That the little kid tries to carry. For about. Oh. What kind of. What. What is that? He says. It's 12 gauge. 12 gauge. Oh my God. It's hard to. I'm expecting. Apocalypse now. Beginning to end. Caddyshack. Napalm. All those explosions. I love the smell of golf balls. In the morning. Yeah. You know. And here's a fun fact. You know. If you.

[01:38:51] Clay. Pink Floyd's. Dark side of the moon. And you stick it up just right. To Caddyshack. It makes no sense. What's a web. I did do the Wizard of Oz thing. It does. It's. It's eerie. It does work. Have you. The fact that the songs. Fade out. Just as the scene ends out. Consistently. See. I wonder who started that thing. Was it someone who was. Who did somebody. Yeah. How did somebody figure that out? Was it one of the technicians. Who. Tried it out.

[01:39:21] While scoring it. And stitching it together. It was. It was stoner. I guarantee you. It was stoner. Well. It kills me. If you start the record over again. It keeps going. That's. There you go. I wonder who. A single. You can. I wonder who assembled the watch party though. Who said. Hey. Let's try it. The dealer. Of course. The dealer. Infiltrate the dealer. Find the supplier. Oh. Oh.

[01:39:51] Oh. I think we've killed James. James. James. I'm still here. I'm just trying. You gotta get up at four. Yeah. I gotta get up at four guys. I think. I'm gonna cut out here. I think. The movie's over. So. All right. We're pulling on. What's coming up. It's over. Guess what's playing next here. Amazon. Are you a caddy shack too? No. You'll know. What's the movie playing on Mike's computer? Oh my God.

[01:40:20] What's on my TV even? TV. You'll know what five seconds of the movie it is. Five. All right. Let's see. Wait for it. Jaws. No. Not. Oh no. Airplane. Yep. Airplane. Yeah. It's the. Oh my God. It's the wing of the. It's the. It's the fin on the airplane. Yeah. The fin on the. Oh my word. The white zone. They're doing the Star Wars. You're getting through there a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man.

[01:40:50] I love. I love. I love the. The white. Look Helen. Don't give me. Any of your white. Your red zone shit. And the thing was the two people that. And the two people. Actually did the announcements. At. Yeah. They did the announcements. They were like. Yup. And they were married. I found that out later. They were married. Wow. Now that's a movie where they put Robert Stack. To good use. Yeah. They did. Oh yeah. It doesn't take a long time to remember. Punchlines in there. Rapunzel. To the tower.

[01:41:21] Oh. He can stop to just. Pull that movie out from everybody. I love that. Oh man. Rapunzel. You know. Okay. Well. What can you make out of this? Well I can make a hat. A bro. A pterodactyl. A pterodactyl. There's got to be a Wizard of Oz joke in there too. Somewhere. There always is. Well. That's the other thing. It's a twister. It's a twister. Well to your Sherlock point. I feel like. The Wizard is the inspiration for every villain. Super villain nowadays. Like. It's like.

[01:41:49] He's got to be the guy who projected an image so to speak. Yeah. Oh like. The. The. In Star Trek 5. There you go. Oh. It all comes back to Star Trek 5. Wizard of Oz. Yeah. If it doesn't come back to Emmanuel or real sex. It comes back to Star Trek 5. I don't know how this pop culture show works man. If it doesn't go back to the March Butters. Then it comes back to the Stooges. If it doesn't go back to Checking Shack. And eventually it goes to Kevin Bacon. Oh. Yep. He's in everything. I'm surprised he wasn't in Caddyshack. They didn't bring him along.

[01:42:20] Or was he? Or was he? Can we. Yeah. How far back does humorous fiction go? As far as books? What's like the first funny book? Oh. That's a mind. That's a brain buster. Insert satire book by. Not Orwell. But that other guy. They adapt. My cousin had small parts in three movies. And so every time I watch those movies. And she's been in them. I'll be like.

[01:42:48] Oh that puts us this many degrees away from Kevin Bacon. There you go. It's not uncommon for extras to do that. But that's awesome. Kurt Vonnegut. Ring a bell for you Mike. Vonnegut. You're in lips. Fuck you. Did he disappoint us? Well. His work is notoriously hard to adapt. Okay. For example. See slapstick of another kind. Okay.

[01:43:18] And by see. You got Mark Twain. Mark Twain is a big satirist. Yeah. That's why the Mark Twain awards. Right. For comedy achievement. Yeah. There's got to be something funny in the Bible. I think somewhere. The fact that people believe. There's a verse. He that sitteth in the heavens will laugh. Talking about God. There. I finally got God in here. There you go. God. Not the Star Trek. Damn it.

[01:43:50] South Park. Oh. Oh. Damn it. Damn it. Damn it. Damn it. Damn it. Damn it. Sorry Billy. Sorry Billy. I remember years ago. I was at Calvin College. Which is. Watching a movie. And then I started talking to this girl next to me. And she said something about. Nice sitting with you or whatever. And I looked her up in their yearbook. And I called her up. You know. And then. And she didn't want to go out at first. I came back to work. Pull a Joey.

[01:44:20] Hey. I came. I came back to work and talked about it. We should. We. We wound up going out. But. And talked about it. And the guy. Lay her mic. And the guy. What do you mean she wouldn't go out here? You met her. You met her in a church. For Christ's sake. You know. A little pun there. You know. Da da da. Oh. So. Before you go James. I must ask you. Who's worse. Randy Marsh on South Park. Or Randy Quaid.

[01:44:49] He might be gone. I don't know. I'm killed. Randy. Randy Marsh is just a. Randy Marsh is just a dick. I'm sorry. He's every father I know. He's every father I knew growing up. Who basically didn't care about his kids. Right. Like he was just more into himself. Yeah. You know. And he jumps on every bandwagon. And everyone drives him crazy. And when you tell him he fucked up. He won't admit it. Until finally he comes crying.

[01:45:19] Will you accept me? But you have to admit. He does have integrity. Yes. Oh. Well. The. The. The Kedishek kid was in the great Santini. That wasn't the. That was kind of the father from hell too. God. Right. I remember. I remember. I remember. There's your apocalypse now connection. Robert Duvall. Dennis Miller. Came out from Big Domen. Dennis Miller did this joke during golf. The golf war races. Here we see.

[01:45:48] A picture of. You know. Uday. And Saddam Hussein. Who is. Uday's reportedly. You know. Hussein's favorite son. God. Look at a picture like this. It makes the great Santini. Look like the courtship of Eddie's father. Oh. Wow. Wow. Let me tell you about my best friend. My best friend. I love Nelson. Wow. Wow. Anyway. That was actually. That was actually.

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