Battlestar Galactica (SyFy Channel Era) Review with Travis Bow (Reel Comic Heroes, Minute of Thieves), Robert Bernard & Gio (SciFi Remnant) and William Bregnard (Future War Stories Blog)

[00:00:02] We decided to play God, create life.

[00:00:07] And when that life turned against us,

[00:00:11] we comforted ourselves in the knowledge

[00:00:14] that it was the silence that we're flawed.

[00:00:18] But the truth is,

[00:00:21] we are the flawed creation.

[00:00:24] We jumped into uncharted space.

[00:00:27] We're a long way from home.

[00:00:30] Limited supplies, limited fuel,

[00:00:33] no allies, and now no hope.

[00:00:37] As of this moment, we are at war.

[00:00:46] Sooner or later the day comes when you cannot do things you've done.

[00:00:51] Moments ago, this ship received word

[00:00:53] of a Cylon attack against our homeworlds is underway.

[00:00:58] You're the new breed of Cylon.

[00:01:00] The last time anybody saw the Cylon

[00:01:02] it felt more like walking toasters.

[00:01:04] I have feelings, hopes, wants.

[00:01:07] And what I want most of all is for you to love me.

[00:01:10] The Cylons look like us.

[00:01:12] That any one of us can be a Cylon.

[00:01:14] You're gonna die in this body.

[00:01:16] My consciousness will just be transferred to another one.

[00:01:19] Another Cylon!

[00:01:21] Humanities children are returning home today.

[00:01:27] Let's get this ship into the fight.

[00:01:30] Get down!

[00:01:32] Zack failed basic flight.

[00:01:34] He should not have been there!

[00:01:36] He was only doing it for you!

[00:01:38] I thought I should confess my sins.

[00:01:40] How's the wife?

[00:01:43] I promise you one thing.

[00:01:47] We will make it.

[00:01:51] We have 50,000 people left.

[00:01:53] The war is over.

[00:01:54] It hasn't begun yet.

[00:02:05] It's a chapter review show.

[00:02:13] It's a chapter review show.

[00:02:16] Oh, chapter review show.

[00:02:19] It's a chapter review show.

[00:02:28] It's a chapter review show.

[00:02:31] It's always a party here.

[00:02:51] So say we all.

[00:02:52] We got Travis Bow of the real comic heroes

[00:02:55] and the recent Minutes podcast.

[00:02:58] That is Minutah Thieves.

[00:03:00] We're going to be talking about the

[00:03:02] most famous discussion of the 1991

[00:03:04] Robin Hood film Prince of Thieves.

[00:03:06] Welcome.

[00:03:08] Hello!

[00:03:10] Always back on the show we got

[00:03:12] blogger William Bregnard,

[00:03:14] also known as the Number One

[00:03:16] Stank Plisken Corporal Hicks fan.

[00:03:18] Welcome.

[00:03:20] Always great.

[00:03:22] He's big in the space above and beyond

[00:03:24] community.

[00:03:26] Check him out.

[00:03:28] We got Geo and Robert from the

[00:03:30] sci-fi remnant.

[00:03:32] Hello.

[00:03:34] Glad to be back.

[00:03:36] You guys are doing some killer ones.

[00:03:38] Again, they have done everything

[00:03:40] from children men to cipher to

[00:03:42] ghosts in the shell to even

[00:03:44] pilots of your favorite sci-fi shows.

[00:03:46] They will try and make sense of it

[00:03:48] and see why it gels.

[00:03:50] I'm your host, Sully.

[00:03:52] This is my long time coming.

[00:03:54] I think we discussed it like

[00:03:56] the first month and then I realized

[00:03:58] I better get my shit together to

[00:04:00] rewatch this from the start.

[00:04:02] That turned into four years.

[00:04:04] But no, it was fun because

[00:04:06] I figured this is kind of one of

[00:04:08] those that was part of the binging

[00:04:10] craze. If you didn't catch it

[00:04:12] when it was airing on the TV,

[00:04:14] then you collected all the DVDs at

[00:04:16] Blockbuster around the same period as

[00:04:18] Lost, Jericho, 24

[00:04:20] and Sopranos.

[00:04:22] What's funny is

[00:04:24] my folks would watch this.

[00:04:26] It wasn't one of their favorites

[00:04:28] but they could not take their eyes off it.

[00:04:30] That blew my mind. It's like, hey,

[00:04:32] they're not necessarily hardcore fans

[00:04:34] but they find this interesting.

[00:04:36] My uncle was living with us at the time.

[00:04:38] He was a huge sci-fi guy.

[00:04:40] It was often hours of this,

[00:04:42] X-Files, Next Gen, Stargate

[00:04:44] and then this.

[00:04:46] It is so funny how universal

[00:04:48] is kind of...

[00:04:50] We've talked about people who

[00:04:52] are not necessarily fond of it.

[00:04:54] We talked about that with some of the HBO shows

[00:04:56] and we talked about that with even Howard Stern

[00:04:58] where the ratings are coming in

[00:05:00] but the programmers couldn't care less

[00:05:02] about the actual content.

[00:05:04] It kind of happened with this,

[00:05:06] where they wanted to make it cheap in Canada

[00:05:08] and then it was better than they even expected

[00:05:10] to where it made all their other material

[00:05:12] inferior so they were trying to secretly kill it

[00:05:14] if they could.

[00:05:16] It's like, why would you do that?

[00:05:18] Why not embrace the success?

[00:05:20] How did you get into it Travis?

[00:05:22] I was familiar with the 70's show

[00:05:24] but I had... It was years before I actually saw it.

[00:05:26] How about yourself?

[00:05:28] Yeah, I had a friend who was obsessed with this

[00:05:30] this show and lost and he got me

[00:05:32] into both of them. I hadn't been watching

[00:05:34] either of them.

[00:05:36] My wife and I started

[00:05:38] running the

[00:05:40] DVDs probably through Blockbuster.

[00:05:42] I don't remember if Netflix

[00:05:44] was doing DVDs.

[00:05:46] Either way, we were running the DVDs.

[00:05:48] Yeah, around 7, 2012.

[00:05:50] Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:05:52] So yeah, we watched it.

[00:05:54] We binged it then

[00:05:56] and

[00:05:58] Battlestar Galactica is actually how I got into

[00:06:00] podcasting. I mean, I was already listening

[00:06:02] to podcasting

[00:06:04] but I was

[00:06:06] listening to a podcast called Resurrection

[00:06:08] Cast. It was a

[00:06:10] long since

[00:06:12] defunct.

[00:06:14] I think I did see that in the early days

[00:06:16] when it was only websites.

[00:06:18] Yeah.

[00:06:20] So they were going through the show.

[00:06:22] The host had seen this show

[00:06:24] multiple times and her two

[00:06:26] co-hosts

[00:06:28] were newbies, nuggets

[00:06:30] and

[00:06:32] so they would go through the show every episode

[00:06:34] and so the two co-hosts

[00:06:36] didn't have a clue what was

[00:06:38] gonna happen.

[00:06:40] They had a big Facebook

[00:06:42] following and I was on their Facebook group

[00:06:44] and they would listen to the show

[00:06:46] and then they would eventually start

[00:06:48] opening up guest

[00:06:50] spots

[00:06:52] to the Facebook community

[00:06:54] and that was the first show I ever

[00:06:56] guested on a podcast

[00:06:58] and I did

[00:07:00] three or four episodes with them

[00:07:02] throughout their run

[00:07:04] and then, you know,

[00:07:06] I knew already knew I wanted to do a podcast

[00:07:08] but that's actually the very first

[00:07:10] podcast I was ever on was

[00:07:12] about

[00:07:14] I think Maelstrom was one episode we talked

[00:07:16] about and I was on for their finale

[00:07:18] like three part kind of thing.

[00:07:20] But yeah, I think that was back in

[00:07:22] 2017 but that's awesome.

[00:07:24] Yeah, I know the host

[00:07:26] got back into Catholicism

[00:07:28] and then renounced the show.

[00:07:30] She said that she

[00:07:32] didn't

[00:07:34] back anything she had said

[00:07:36] on the show because

[00:07:38] she found religion again or something

[00:07:40] so I don't know if the show is still available.

[00:07:42] She became her own Baltar.

[00:07:44] Yeah.

[00:07:46] There's some good ones out there.

[00:07:48] There's Galactica actually

[00:07:50] there's Spacing Out

[00:07:52] with Battlestar which just finished

[00:07:54] and is going to go into its own TV recap session

[00:07:56] but yeah, that's very true.

[00:07:58] This is kind of one of the many. Trisha Helfer

[00:08:00] who plays number six used to do one

[00:08:02] and that actually I went into that

[00:08:04] back when it was like first the thing like

[00:08:06] 2018 and I never

[00:08:08] saw every single episode back in the day

[00:08:10] but I saw the miniseries. I got the general gist of it.

[00:08:12] It was very easy to follow even when it wasn't

[00:08:14] if that makes sense and

[00:08:16] having those guests on including her Lucifer

[00:08:18] co-stars was an even bigger hoot

[00:08:20] because she was also kind of playing pranks

[00:08:22] on them like oh

[00:08:24] you knew this episode was going to be too much

[00:08:26] right? You know like

[00:08:28] little edgy, little gritty. That should be

[00:08:30] very clear in the first episode. This is not an easy

[00:08:32] show. William, when did you make time

[00:08:34] for this complex show?

[00:08:36] You know we're not talking about space above me.

[00:08:38] We're not talking about battle on butt. We're talking about

[00:08:40] new battles.

[00:08:42] So yeah, the original

[00:08:44] series actually aired when I was two

[00:08:46] and I did watch it

[00:08:48] and so we're talking about the 78 series

[00:08:50] and I became my first

[00:08:52] crush was of course

[00:08:54] Sheba who I've never met

[00:08:56] who actually lives around here somewhere in north Texas.

[00:08:58] Oh man.

[00:09:00] Oh yeah, so you know

[00:09:02] and there have been talks

[00:09:04] about it coming back. Of course Richard Hatch had done

[00:09:06] it, had tried

[00:09:08] Mortgage's house to try to do it and was promoting

[00:09:10] he came to a couple conventions around here

[00:09:12] promoting the second coming

[00:09:14] I think whatever it's called. We had some of the filmmakers

[00:09:16] and actors on of that and

[00:09:18] really I'll link some of them

[00:09:20] to you and

[00:09:22] nicest people in the world just

[00:09:24] done everything, worn every kind of hat

[00:09:26] done documentary reenactments, done B movies

[00:09:28] done classier stuff

[00:09:30] and that was a total labor

[00:09:32] love. That was like one of the legit first

[00:09:34] fan films and then

[00:09:36] if you read Hard Men in Hard Times

[00:09:38] which is a breakdown

[00:09:40] of all the edgy gripping and

[00:09:42] addicting TV shows of

[00:09:44] the 80s to today

[00:09:46] they talked about how they wisely

[00:09:48] when pitching this

[00:09:50] like Edward James almost pretty much

[00:09:52] was game and he opened up the door and he

[00:09:54] just flat out told everyone

[00:09:56] this is not your uncle's battle star

[00:09:58] we can't be that we're being our own

[00:10:00] thing and so that kind of

[00:10:02] it was almost like a rap star sports star

[00:10:04] kind of being outspoken at a press meeting

[00:10:06] and kind of opened it up and is like okay well

[00:10:08] so don't expect expect

[00:10:10] something completely just don't expect

[00:10:12] anything it was kind of a precursor to

[00:10:14] how people promote a Christopher Nolan

[00:10:16] or Jordan Peele movie

[00:10:18] will show like literally nothing but make

[00:10:20] people kind of want to predict

[00:10:22] the unpredictable

[00:10:24] and

[00:10:26] seeing how I mean I was already familiar with

[00:10:28] because stand and deliver was a favorite movie of every

[00:10:30] single high school I went to

[00:10:32] so I saw that

[00:10:34] I saw how he and the writers worked

[00:10:36] in every Blade Runner

[00:10:38] and Alien reference as they

[00:10:40] could you're like hey it's replicant

[00:10:42] hey send out the Colonial Marines

[00:10:44] is like okay so I can see where this

[00:10:46] started up the hole this is in the same universe

[00:10:48] argument yeah no did

[00:10:50] you DVR this

[00:10:52] in the early days or

[00:10:54] okay so funny story about

[00:10:56] that I was broke my wife

[00:10:58] and I were my wife just about to graduate

[00:11:00] from TCU go frogs

[00:11:02] and I was about to go in

[00:11:04] go frogs so we were broke

[00:11:06] and I had heard

[00:11:08] I knew who Ronald D. Moore was because

[00:11:10] of DS9 and next generation I knew

[00:11:12] he was and so

[00:11:14] oh yeah and so when this show

[00:11:16] NBC actually aired a cut

[00:11:18] down I think aired over two nights and of course

[00:11:20] it premiered in December 8th

[00:11:22] you know 2003 which is one of the first

[00:11:24] where I would see them air the same thing

[00:11:26] they would come down

[00:11:28] they still do it now I'll see

[00:11:30] like Lifetime in History Channel will share

[00:11:32] the same range with something and they

[00:11:34] still do it is like if it's on

[00:11:36] sci-fi that it's on USA

[00:11:38] and E and NBC the same night

[00:11:40] and like you say they would modify it

[00:11:42] they would edit out any uses of the word

[00:11:44] shit if they could

[00:11:46] yeah thank god for the word frack right

[00:11:48] thank the lord

[00:11:50] what could they have done without that

[00:11:52] and that just kind of made it more

[00:11:54] you can take it serious but it kind

[00:11:56] of just made me just like see

[00:11:58] I'm open to seeing craters

[00:12:00] come up with their own language it doesn't have to be just

[00:12:02] cling on or robot

[00:12:04] speak or elvish yeah

[00:12:06] here's the new insult here's a new

[00:12:08] phrase at least they left

[00:12:10] out felper carb or whatever the other word

[00:12:12] was they sustain the original series

[00:12:14] but December 8th of course is the day

[00:12:16] we declared war against Japan in

[00:12:18] 1941 so I think it was

[00:12:20] aired I think there might be some cultural

[00:12:22] significance when it was aired I'm not 100%

[00:12:24] sure the show kind of grabbed me by the

[00:12:26] balls because I'm like this is very different

[00:12:28] and then when the scene where they're at

[00:12:30] Ragnar and you know the Galactica

[00:12:32] is out providing the screen

[00:12:34] and they're jumping behind I was

[00:12:36] like oh well how

[00:12:38] you doing yeah

[00:12:40] I totally got the

[00:12:42] post 9-11 syndrome oh yeah

[00:12:44] a lot of other people didn't really but

[00:12:46] for me I totally echoed it

[00:12:48] it was that same it wasn't like a fear monger

[00:12:50] show but it was the whole

[00:12:52] this terrorism is eating us up all alive

[00:12:54] we suspect each other we don't

[00:12:56] trust each other when we should

[00:12:58] and oh yeah

[00:13:00] yeah we're eating each other

[00:13:02] when he wraps the thing

[00:13:04] and he says we're at war

[00:13:06] and it was ever J.N. Almas curse is just

[00:13:08] a brilliant actor and I was unsure

[00:13:10] about him at the time half the cast

[00:13:12] I didn't even know who they were

[00:13:14] who was those guys yeah who was

[00:13:16] you know the picture made the rounds

[00:13:18] of starbucks at starbucks

[00:13:20] halloween 10

[00:13:22] and a few other B movies

[00:13:24] and everything and this yeah this is

[00:13:26] her make it or break it role

[00:13:28] and so I watched that I was like okay

[00:13:30] and then it goes on side-fetch channel

[00:13:32] I don't have cable there's no way I can afford cable

[00:13:34] and this is before you could like

[00:13:36] get on to daily motion or anything

[00:13:38] right so it's you can't

[00:13:40] you know I love internet guys

[00:13:42] you're like

[00:13:44] okay I can see six it's like

[00:13:46] you know coming through but what

[00:13:48] hit me was she went ahead

[00:13:50] and got that out of the way she's like sure

[00:13:52] I'll post for playboy sure let's just

[00:13:54] let's just do this you know and this is one of the first

[00:13:56] when it came to DVD it had extended scenes

[00:13:58] that weren't necessarily edgier but it was still

[00:14:00] it blew that line between right

[00:14:02] PG-13 and R where you're just like

[00:14:04] okay well this just wait till you're 15-16

[00:14:06] to watch this exactly

[00:14:08] and then you know blockbuster had

[00:14:10] razor and I watched razor because I heard

[00:14:12] about the Pegasus which

[00:14:14] you know I'm like okay Pegasus have okay

[00:14:16] I gotta check this shit out

[00:14:18] and I was like oh this is different of course I knew who she was

[00:14:20] from a little low rare and

[00:14:22] the first real butchering

[00:14:24] Michelle Forbes yeah Michelle Forbes thank

[00:14:26] you and of course she's just rocking

[00:14:28] and same thing like almost where you don't

[00:14:30] really necessarily yes Hispanic

[00:14:32] look from her right away but

[00:14:34] she can play all different types of

[00:14:36] ethnicities and

[00:14:38] predicaments she's

[00:14:40] played plenty of heroes on stuff like homicide and then

[00:14:43] you know yeah

[00:14:45] she got away from that and did more

[00:14:47] kind of yeah like I say villains

[00:14:49] and a villain I mean this is a great area

[00:14:51] where she's technically

[00:14:53] a good guy but

[00:14:55] she doesn't have anyone interest that hard

[00:14:57] and if you fret in her she wants you dead

[00:14:59] I don't know

[00:15:01] yeah it's like so it does

[00:15:03] instantly you're like who is a hero

[00:15:05] in this whole thing because like

[00:15:07] I should like them but they're also being

[00:15:09] full hearty I mean Travis has a top gun

[00:15:11] shirt it's the same kind of deal where we are

[00:15:13] we are seeing the

[00:15:15] immaturity kind of flesh out

[00:15:17] in these young

[00:15:19] adults and

[00:15:21] the callousness of them and

[00:15:23] I've already lost track of on this

[00:15:25] rewatch of how many war crimes were committed

[00:15:27] oh god

[00:15:29] and it was and I'm not talking

[00:15:31] even necessarily in torture even I'm

[00:15:33] talking like just flat out like they

[00:15:35] are looking at each other dead-eyed and

[00:15:37] they're like don't come in this room

[00:15:39] yes like exactly

[00:15:41] humanity's children are returning home

[00:15:43] pleats series on DVD

[00:15:45] the Emmy award winning critically acclaimed

[00:15:53] show that Time magazine calls

[00:15:55] one of the best dramas on TV

[00:15:57] we live the intensity

[00:15:59] you gotta have them kill me

[00:16:01] the drama of

[00:16:03] humanity's fight for survival

[00:16:07] we are at war

[00:16:09] be revealed

[00:16:13] you are the harbinger of death carat 3

[00:16:15] the epic franchise comes to an end

[00:16:17] go find a way to her

[00:16:19] the complete series includes every episode

[00:16:21] of every season with hours

[00:16:23] of explosive DVD extras

[00:16:25] they're getting too long

[00:16:27] just let me go

[00:16:31] and I could people are gonna die

[00:16:33] Battlestar Galactica is the must-own

[00:16:35] DVD of the year

[00:16:37] in the end we're all just human

[00:16:39] Battlestar Galactica

[00:16:41] the complete series now on DVD

[00:16:43] and Blu-ray high death

[00:16:45] so here's the funny thing I couldn't get my hands on it

[00:16:47] so the borders goes out of business

[00:16:49] and I had like this

[00:16:51] coupon off I did the one on Hewlin street

[00:16:53] if you're in from the Dallas area

[00:16:55] 4th era I was at the location

[00:16:57] Hewlin right near Rice to work at MHMR

[00:16:59] so down the street and

[00:17:01] I had this coupon and a friend of mine

[00:17:03] did some work and they paid me an $100 bill

[00:17:05] so this $100 bill that was just mine

[00:17:07] I run down there they had the box that

[00:17:09] DVD not Blu-ray and I said I want that

[00:17:11] we can't you know and they had this coupon

[00:17:13] and I had to get it for like $100

[00:17:15] and I don't remember what it used to sell for

[00:17:17] so my pride and joy I'd never seen the series

[00:17:19] complete so I sat down

[00:17:21] like you know

[00:17:23] just whenever I could do it and I was working

[00:17:25] at the I was working at my hospital job so I worked

[00:17:27] three days a week and the rest of time I could

[00:17:29] be at home doing chores

[00:17:31] hanging out with my kids or whatever so my lunch

[00:17:33] my lunch hour at home I would crank on

[00:17:35] an episode and that's how I watched it

[00:17:37] from beginning to end and then rewatch

[00:17:39] I would you know cherry pick it

[00:17:41] and I was at home

[00:17:43] and it was on the clock

[00:17:45] I'm just I was at home

[00:17:47] and it was like a long time

[00:17:49] guess such an awakening for me and it was right

[00:17:51] around the time teacher war stories was starting

[00:17:53] are about to start

[00:17:55] and I just I couldn't get over and I didn't

[00:17:57] spoil anything I didn't know

[00:17:59] please tell me now you'll you'll find

[00:18:01] something very that buddy it's something

[00:18:03] for everybody and I was just like

[00:18:05] and it grabbed me still show I went back

[00:18:07] and watched pieces before we did this

[00:18:09] We're going to see the original Silent War.

[00:18:11] We're going to do this.

[00:18:12] And then it's a web show.

[00:18:13] It's like four episodes.

[00:18:14] I don't even know what it looks like now because I haven't checked it out in a while.

[00:18:18] And I was so horribly disappointed in Caprica's.

[00:18:20] I think the unrated version is slightly better.

[00:18:22] There's really most people were making a deal because they're like, oh, extended,

[00:18:26] you know, violence and nudity.

[00:18:27] And he actually calls someone a cocksucker in one scene or no, my bad.

[00:18:31] It's razor.

[00:18:32] And I was like, whoa, hey, you know, like you barely catch it.

[00:18:36] Like he says it so fast.

[00:18:37] But you're like, but we won't end out the gang rape of the of the pleasure

[00:18:41] model in the brain.

[00:18:43] Right. We won't get it out.

[00:18:44] We won't get it out anything else that and that's ethically, you know, just on sound.

[00:18:51] Yeah, practice.

[00:18:52] But yeah, no, it was just so weird how there's like some extra dialogue every week.

[00:18:59] An all new two minute battle start.

[00:19:00] The life to gain experience that tells the story of young Adama in the first

[00:19:04] Cylon war.

[00:19:05] Something down here.

[00:19:09] The best two minutes on television.

[00:19:11] Razor flashbacks every Friday during Flash, Gordon at nine.

[00:19:15] It's all leading up to Battlestar Galactica.

[00:19:17] Razor premiering Saturday, November 24th at nine on Cypher and some William

[00:19:23] Adama reporting for flight duty, sir.

[00:19:26] They're taking down our planes right and left.

[00:19:28] I can't get a lock.

[00:19:30] Brace for content.

[00:19:34] I thought you wanted to end this war.

[00:19:43] That news is making screaming.

[00:19:48] I got to say for all these Canadian actors, this is probably some of their best

[00:19:51] roles like every one of them.

[00:19:53] Like I know people like to make fun of them because they're plentiful.

[00:19:58] They're in almost every production that's there.

[00:20:00] But like so many of them, you know, are from the Stargate franchise,

[00:20:05] Highlander X-Men, Smallville, Smallville, Supernatural and Arrow

[00:20:11] and all of them are really challenging each other.

[00:20:14] Even some of them have gone on to do plenty of other horror

[00:20:17] anthologies, procedurals there that are coming to here now on like USA or the CW

[00:20:24] or TNT. But like on this rewatch, like some of them end up being like

[00:20:30] one to three episodes each and like get some reasonable screen time.

[00:20:34] And like that.

[00:20:36] Like some of them are throwaway roles where they're just the, you know,

[00:20:39] guard who gets knocked out by whatever style on the guarding.

[00:20:43] But they each of them, like you know instantly where they stand,

[00:20:45] they'll either say a slur or prejudice kind of thing.

[00:20:48] And it's just kind of their way of just saying, hey,

[00:20:51] they're not comfortable in their own skin, no pun intended.

[00:20:55] But then like they will pretty much plant a mutiny if they feel like it.

[00:20:59] And it's like, how do you even address that in outer space?

[00:21:04] This is before we got more politicized.

[00:21:06] Like this is even. Oh yeah.

[00:21:07] You watching it now?

[00:21:09] Oh yeah.

[00:21:09] So walk in the flag, but you can interlock people out, right?

[00:21:12] Oh yeah.

[00:21:13] It's like if that's how every argument ends.

[00:21:16] Oh, who wants to live that way?

[00:21:19] So this is the thing that I showed on screen, if you could see it.

[00:21:22] That's my one of my pride and joy.

[00:21:23] That's when before you go mosque without a business, I bought the Galactica

[00:21:27] and if you have an opportunity to buy any of those,

[00:21:31] I don't buy too many of those kind of things.

[00:21:34] And my little girl who's a goes, Daddy, you already have a bunch of space

[00:21:36] ships. I'm like, I know, but I'm going to have another one.

[00:21:38] And it really is fracking awesome.

[00:21:40] The glass going to get the I want to get the Pegasus and put them together

[00:21:44] on my new bookshelf. But I wanted to show that.

[00:21:46] So if you're in the if you ever thought about buying an Eagle Moss,

[00:21:49] I'm not paid by them, but in their business anyway.

[00:21:52] If you ever want to buy one of the Eagle Moss

[00:21:55] Galactica, that thing is awesome.

[00:21:57] And it's actually fairly good size.

[00:21:58] So I really endorse it.

[00:22:00] But I really love it.

[00:22:00] I don't know if it could handle the Rosinante on the expense.

[00:22:04] I got that. Oh, that thing is cool.

[00:22:06] Well, some of those hell yeah, hell yeah.

[00:22:09] All right, I'll shut up now. But anyway, it's.

[00:22:13] That's awesome. You're still you got the better space model.

[00:22:17] Those ships did take a lot of damage to where I'm like,

[00:22:19] so what is the capacity?

[00:22:20] There's like maybe three episodes where they describe their armor

[00:22:23] and weapons and everything.

[00:22:24] And I'm like, so how much can they take before they get decimated?

[00:22:29] And the thing seems to change

[00:22:32] like every Cylon, like some of them.

[00:22:34] Oh, yeah.

[00:22:35] It's not it's not as deliberately vague as say

[00:22:38] like a predator or a terminator where you're like, right?

[00:22:41] Yeah, this one you can, you know, just punch a few times

[00:22:44] and it's deactivated. Well, this one, yeah, no,

[00:22:46] you're going to have to waste five machine guns on it

[00:22:50] just to take one down.

[00:22:52] I mean, we could get into the the Galactica weaponry

[00:22:55] and actually the colonial military.

[00:22:56] I'm actually working on that.

[00:22:57] That is a true point from a cinematography standpoint.

[00:23:00] Like they you can tell they did not want to date themselves

[00:23:03] in any way.

[00:23:04] They know, but like they don't even show you what kind of camera

[00:23:07] they're using.

[00:23:08] I'm sure there's going to be a nitpicker who's like, oh, it's a desert eagle.

[00:23:11] You know, oh, it's a, you know, DSLR is like they are deliberately hiding it

[00:23:15] is like it does not matter that they're kind of doing exactly

[00:23:17] what they did on Babylon 5 or like whatever moves the story forward.

[00:23:22] Your guess is as good as mine as to whether there's a million

[00:23:24] on that ship versus this. I mean, hell, yeah, many series.

[00:23:28] Oh, Adam a junior in Starbucks blew up 10,000 people.

[00:23:33] How? Yeah, what other show does that?

[00:23:36] And he's got the little girl.

[00:23:38] No, yeah, the little girl they can't jump out and they're like

[00:23:41] and you hear the radio traffic.

[00:23:43] They're like, for God's sake, you know, for the Lord's sake, don't leave us.

[00:23:45] And the little girl is telling me about how she's going.

[00:23:47] I watched that scene live on, you know, I was like, oh my god, I'm not OK.

[00:23:51] And Chris is not too many years after September 11th.

[00:23:53] And then the missiles come in and wipe them out and they'll jump away.

[00:23:56] And I was like, and I thought, wow, schools and session boys and girls.

[00:23:59] This is going to be gory.

[00:24:02] And before that, that's when number six like kills the one.

[00:24:06] Yes, baby.

[00:24:08] Like just as a mercy killing.

[00:24:10] And she said in that podcast, she used to host like her.

[00:24:14] She had a sister-in-law who was big fan of her.

[00:24:16] She's like, you're going to be a great star and everything.

[00:24:18] She's like, but I can't watch your show because of that scene.

[00:24:21] Like, I'm sure it's great, but like I'm just now become a mother myself.

[00:24:25] So I can't know.

[00:24:26] It's it is amazing how I mean, even that plot to us when we think

[00:24:32] Adama has drowned boomers, baby.

[00:24:35] And then that's a big fake out.

[00:24:36] It's like, we told you that so you would not rebel against us.

[00:24:41] But we gained the power with that psychological damage.

[00:24:44] So I might as well have, you know, done the unimaginable.

[00:24:48] All these free counts, all these nightmare fuel,

[00:24:51] where they're having like a daydream, I think really gets us

[00:24:55] in the mode when you let your mind run wild.

[00:24:57] I'm sure it would totally run wild if you're in outer space.

[00:25:02] And this show had that, OK, for someone who was saying lost a minute ago.

[00:25:06] Tress, I think you said lost lost in this show shared something where you were

[00:25:09] like, oh, what's the opera house?

[00:25:11] So, you know, what are these things are seeing?

[00:25:13] And it was fuel were like lost.

[00:25:15] Like, what are the numbers mean?

[00:25:16] My wife and I actually watched it together.

[00:25:18] She didn't watch Galactica, but she watched Lost with me.

[00:25:20] And you would have that conversation about the mystery.

[00:25:24] And we'll get into it later.

[00:25:25] But Galactica, to me, the ending satisfied me in a way that I couldn't

[00:25:29] fully realize for years, especially when Adama and the music plays

[00:25:32] and the ships go off in the sun.

[00:25:34] I cried actually watched that scene today at work and I cried.

[00:25:37] Isn't it wild how.

[00:25:40] George R.R.

[00:25:40] Martin dressed that finale.

[00:25:42] Think of it for a minute.

[00:25:43] Oh, whatever.

[00:25:44] Think about that for a minute.

[00:25:45] I mean, you can't even finish his own book

[00:25:47] and has the most infamous TV ending years later.

[00:25:50] I mean, Wil Wheaton is also a big sci-fi viewer outside of his acting duties

[00:25:54] and says he has not ever seen the finale

[00:25:56] because he wants to preserve what he had originally.

[00:25:58] I'm like, why not make up your own mind, dude?

[00:26:01] It used to be you watch something and you make up your mind.

[00:26:05] I don't know why that culture has kind of come back

[00:26:08] where people feel pressured, like, oh, it's not as good as the last one.

[00:26:11] Or I feel like I can actually admit that I like this or hate this.

[00:26:17] We're not a fascist government.

[00:26:19] I think we can make up our minds.

[00:26:21] So Robert and Jill, how did you come upon this?

[00:26:24] Were you watching this on the Boo Tube back in the day

[00:26:27] or did you see this beyonds later?

[00:26:30] Well, I want to say only that I didn't know

[00:26:34] Galactica until a friend of mine got me into it.

[00:26:38] Robert.

[00:26:39] And I love how he's pointing at you.

[00:26:41] And the funny hilarious thing is that the way that I did get to Galactica

[00:26:45] and I asked him and then he actually streamed it down on me

[00:26:49] was that I came across Caprica from CBS

[00:26:54] and I discovered after it was canceled.

[00:26:57] And I fell in love with it.

[00:26:59] And then I just, I binge watched the whole thing

[00:27:02] and then I discovered that is incomplete.

[00:27:05] And then I asked Robert and I know what Galactica was

[00:27:08] but I never watched it before.

[00:27:09] So I didn't make the connection.

[00:27:11] And then he told me actually you watch like the first part

[00:27:14] of what happens before all the Galacticas.

[00:27:17] And I'm like, what are you talking about?

[00:27:19] And that's how my adventure with Barstack Galactica started

[00:27:25] thanks to Robert.

[00:27:27] Nice.

[00:27:28] You were just holding the medis and you're like, trust me.

[00:27:32] Oh yes.

[00:27:33] No, I'm not as cool as him and Travis that used to listen

[00:27:36] to podcasts when our SSVs was nothing.

[00:27:40] And you actually store your files and then link it to the RSS code.

[00:27:47] Yeah.

[00:27:48] All righty.

[00:27:49] Tell us how you really feel.

[00:27:51] The good old times of podcasting.

[00:27:54] How I was eight years old when I started the original.

[00:28:00] Nice.

[00:28:01] Okay.

[00:28:02] And we've done a chat on that before and it is interesting how

[00:28:05] it has taken years for people to just acknowledge it as its own

[00:28:08] thing.

[00:28:09] You're like, yes, everything was trying to be like stars.

[00:28:11] That doesn't mean you can't, you know, apples and oranges.

[00:28:13] You can enjoy both.

[00:28:14] That's what that's what you call Robert a cold follower.

[00:28:17] Right?

[00:28:18] Well, the reason why I'm mentioning this is the fact that

[00:28:23] the region knows this and everybody that listened to it

[00:28:26] shows knows me.

[00:28:28] And I'm not sure if you've heard of it or not.

[00:28:30] But the fact that the region knows this and everybody that

[00:28:33] listened to it shows knows me.

[00:28:35] And the fact that this is a show that I should have that light.

[00:28:39] Oh, really?

[00:28:40] What have been there?

[00:28:42] It doesn't make any sense to formula.

[00:28:45] They, they, they, it's just gritty is dark.

[00:28:49] It's just hard.

[00:28:51] It's everything that geo likes in a show is here.

[00:28:56] And everything that I don't like is here.

[00:28:59] So I remember I used to work for a call center at the time when

[00:29:02] this was released for the first time.

[00:29:04] You're kind of like my folks where you weren't necessarily like,

[00:29:07] I'm addicted, but you're still like watching this because there's

[00:29:10] just something that draws you into it.

[00:29:12] Here's the thing.

[00:29:13] I was excited because I saw the commercials, right?

[00:29:17] And I was like, okay, I'm expecting, you know, my sci-fi to be

[00:29:23] your, you know, expecting this, let's say this.

[00:29:26] So I watched the first episode and I'm like, I don't know about

[00:29:31] this.

[00:29:32] I know.

[00:29:34] I don't like this.

[00:29:37] I mean, look at Starbucks.

[00:29:39] I'm the best shot in or out of the cockpit.

[00:29:42] I've made mistakes in the past.

[00:29:44] My personal feelings cloud my judgment.

[00:29:46] But now I've got to get it together.

[00:29:49] Do the thing I do best.

[00:29:51] Shoot the enemy out of the sky.

[00:29:53] The world is over.

[00:29:55] The fight has just begun.

[00:29:57] And I keep on putting all these typical things that you hear

[00:30:04] online, people say, yet I continue watching.

[00:30:09] Mm.

[00:30:10] Gatekeeping.

[00:30:12] Well, it's not necessarily that.

[00:30:17] It's the fact that, you know, I grew up with nostalgia for this

[00:30:22] story that is kind of like Star Wars.

[00:30:25] And now I see something that is not that.

[00:30:29] And it's different styles.

[00:30:31] So it's a lot to process.

[00:30:33] Exactly.

[00:30:34] So, and then the style that I don't like.

[00:30:36] That's the kind of stuff that I don't like watching the

[00:30:38] documentary kind of.

[00:30:39] Well, just the greedy, bloody, you know, dark.

[00:30:43] And you know, stuff like that.

[00:30:45] I don't typically like that.

[00:30:46] Now here's the thing.

[00:30:48] We actually talked about this, me and Gio and my other co-hosts

[00:30:52] for the show.

[00:30:53] This show is its own thing.

[00:30:55] Yeah.

[00:30:56] I fell in love with the show.

[00:30:58] I watched the entire thing and I couldn't tell you how many times

[00:31:00] I rewatched it.

[00:31:02] Oh, damn.

[00:31:03] And it's like I told Gio, it doesn't make sense for me to

[00:31:06] like it because it's not the type of thing I like.

[00:31:09] And I love the show.

[00:31:11] And most of the times that I hear people say, oh no, I refuse

[00:31:14] to watch it because, you know, they depart it so far away from

[00:31:18] the original and the original is so bright and so hopeful,

[00:31:22] which by the way, we all know is still.

[00:31:24] I feel like this was the precursor, like before the Batman

[00:31:26] begins and for the Abrams Star Trek, I feel like this was

[00:31:29] kind of the one where it's like you can do your own thing

[00:31:32] without being derivative, without needing a comparison.

[00:31:35] I mean, the fact that they have another silent qualities

[00:31:38] which are totally the same design the same way as the

[00:31:41] original in that first season, I thought was kind of a fun

[00:31:45] acknowledgement.

[00:31:46] I mean, the fact that Zara is played by Richard Hatch.

[00:31:49] Yeah, it was very clever the way they did that and I had

[00:31:53] he's a bad guy.

[00:31:54] So it was like, yep, he's really likable on the original show.

[00:31:58] Exactly.

[00:31:59] He's a mutiny guy here.

[00:32:00] Shoot.

[00:32:01] If you think about it, if you think about it, it's a made up

[00:32:04] version to really play some kind of tribute to what there

[00:32:06] was.

[00:32:07] Yeah.

[00:32:08] The way that I look at it, and this is what I try to

[00:32:10] tell people to say, no, I won't watch this because it departs

[00:32:13] really far away from the original is that to me,

[00:32:17] even give it free episodes up and turn.

[00:32:19] Watch the first episode.

[00:32:21] Do what I did.

[00:32:22] Right?

[00:32:23] They're two separate things.

[00:32:25] They're they're both equally great.

[00:32:29] But I in retrospect, I can't really compare one to the

[00:32:33] other.

[00:32:34] Yeah.

[00:32:35] Like comparing apples to oranges.

[00:32:36] You can't assist its own thing.

[00:32:38] And they're both amazing.

[00:32:40] So that's my my introduction to to Galactica in my resilience

[00:32:44] and my not wanting to like this as much as I ended up liking it.

[00:32:51] It's fun to be surprised once while we're just like, okay,

[00:32:55] this is happening.

[00:32:56] So I'm slowly bringing the chaos into Galactica.

[00:33:00] I know this is.

[00:33:02] Yeah.

[00:33:03] He has to change me.

[00:33:04] He has to change me because before what we started the

[00:33:07] podcast, I was kind of like a bird if to like a campiness and

[00:33:11] 80s because of the campaign is like, I like more like sarcasm,

[00:33:15] like deep.

[00:33:16] You want something very intense that I'll give you some.

[00:33:19] Yes.

[00:33:20] Yes.

[00:33:21] And Robert has like,

[00:33:22] Robo for me because right now I don't really care for

[00:33:25] campiness.

[00:33:26] I used to be picking with CGI's and like cool special effects

[00:33:29] and I've learned to appreciate things while they are actually

[00:33:32] now.

[00:33:33] What does it mean?

[00:33:34] Maybe you, I made you watch like, you know,

[00:33:37] Clockwork Orange style.

[00:33:38] I mean Travis,

[00:33:39] you've talked to various things about cold films.

[00:33:42] Like big trouble with China.

[00:33:45] It's hard to believe that just some stuff like was absolutely

[00:33:48] low.

[00:33:49] Like I still, yeah, we talked,

[00:33:50] I talked about Blade Runner earlier that it blows my mind.

[00:33:53] I can understand not liking stuff like bike club or the matrix

[00:33:57] because it's just intense.

[00:33:58] You just mentioned Clockwork.

[00:33:59] There's another device of film and his Playrunner just kind

[00:34:02] of, like, he just, like,

[00:34:04] because that just got me into detective stuff and it's in a

[00:34:07] sci-fi setting.

[00:34:08] Yes.

[00:34:10] So there's a lot to go through on this.

[00:34:14] I'll try to condense it as best I can.

[00:34:17] So this, this covers again.

[00:34:21] William Adama.

[00:34:23] He is the new commander later, the admiral falls in love with

[00:34:29] the colony president, Janet Roslin.

[00:34:32] And Starbucks in this is a woman, Kara.

[00:34:36] Apollo is the captain and son of Adama.

[00:34:41] And the religious zealot is Dr.

[00:34:45] Baltar who has a connection.

[00:34:47] Mentally to the Cylons because, you know,

[00:34:50] spoiler, he happened to be one of the brains behind the whole

[00:34:55] experiment gone wrong.

[00:34:56] So this is just wow, because like the 12 colonies is kind of a

[00:35:01] little complex in the original.

[00:35:03] And this one, they're kind of just like straight up,

[00:35:05] like this colony doesn't exist.

[00:35:07] You got to go and find this new version of Earth here.

[00:35:11] And oh, we can inhabit that version of Earth.

[00:35:13] We got to go to this one now.

[00:35:15] And spoiler, we can actually go back to the Earth we

[00:35:19] have been in.

[00:35:20] And spoiler, we can actually go back to the Earth we abandon.

[00:35:24] Now that the silent fret is over.

[00:35:27] There is this is pretty much a A to Z kind of thing,

[00:35:36] but then like the barriers themselves are almost as big as

[00:35:40] the many asteroid fills they go through.

[00:35:42] Like it's like, yeah, you're, we can go here,

[00:35:45] but we're outnumbered or we're going to have to leave a bunch of

[00:35:49] people behind and it will be, you know, X amount of,

[00:35:52] you know, months before we can come back.

[00:35:54] There's a do or die kind of mentality,

[00:35:56] but there's also a damned if you do.

[00:35:59] Or don't kind of thing that like there is.

[00:36:04] This is so vibrant on this rewatch like,

[00:36:07] and I think it's actually kind of more fun if you know ahead

[00:36:10] of time who later is revealed to be a Cylon.

[00:36:13] Like I knew about that with kind of like Starbucks and that was

[00:36:16] one thing that divided fans, but I think it's actually a little

[00:36:19] more fun if you go back then because then kind of like Boomer,

[00:36:22] you're trying to see.

[00:36:23] Okay, so when does the real one switch out?

[00:36:26] Yeah.

[00:36:28] They say the silence look like us now.

[00:36:31] They say we need to be strong.

[00:36:33] We need to stay focused, but I'm struggling to do either.

[00:36:36] I have to get in control.

[00:36:38] The enemy cannot win.

[00:36:42] The world is over.

[00:36:43] The fight is just beginning.

[00:36:48] And I still can't believe that this aired, you know,

[00:36:51] there was the mini series in 03 and you know that I was seen

[00:36:56] part of that when I was in junior high and I couldn't believe,

[00:36:59] oh wow, you know, you're having epics, but on the small screen

[00:37:03] that TV is landscape is changing.

[00:37:05] It's becoming edgy again.

[00:37:08] You actually want to binge it.

[00:37:09] And the fact that the first season of this,

[00:37:12] this is a four season run with, you know, two TV movies.

[00:37:16] And they aired it in the UK first and then aired it in the US here

[00:37:20] the following year.

[00:37:21] I have never seen that done since like it seems to be the other

[00:37:24] way around.

[00:37:25] Like whatever country it originates in it airs there first.

[00:37:31] I'm your BBC.

[00:37:33] Oh, and this case of a sky one, which is like the British

[00:37:36] box equivalent.

[00:37:37] So I wonder why they decided, Hey, we want to experiment a bit,

[00:37:41] but they kind of have a habit of not airing shows in complete.

[00:37:47] So we already blame the US, but apparently they do it too.

[00:37:51] I think we've kind of covered a lot of the basis on how to watch

[00:37:54] this and everything.

[00:37:55] If anyone sees the blue rays, they're not required,

[00:37:58] but you will like some of the extra scenes that they add

[00:38:02] to specific episodes.

[00:38:04] There's only, I think about 10 each season.

[00:38:08] Well, no, maybe total.

[00:38:09] And if it's too pricey for you, I understand.

[00:38:11] You know, you can this is not streaming anywhere currently,

[00:38:15] but you can buy it on voodoo and Amazon.

[00:38:19] And that's probably the best way to do it.

[00:38:21] Plans me out that it's not streaming anywhere.

[00:38:23] It used to be a Netflix.

[00:38:25] Yeah.

[00:38:26] It just, it sucks that it's not anywhere right now.

[00:38:29] Hulu back in 2018.

[00:38:31] And then they kept taking it down.

[00:38:33] And then it was on peacock for a while maybe.

[00:38:37] Yeah.

[00:38:38] Which makes sense being a, you know,

[00:38:40] universal and all that, but same deal.

[00:38:42] They literally took it down like a year when that thing came out.

[00:38:46] And like, that's one of your biggest properties.

[00:38:48] It might come to to be because I saw that show in the catalog,

[00:38:52] but the original is definitely on to be.

[00:38:55] Razor you can buy on voodoo.

[00:38:59] It's not on Prime anymore.

[00:39:01] But the plan is still only a DVD Blu-ray only thing.

[00:39:04] So it's not required,

[00:39:06] but for those who want to just kind of pick apart and know how

[00:39:10] the cookie crumbled a little more,

[00:39:12] it's still worth at least one watch.

[00:39:14] Blood and Chrome, same deal.

[00:39:16] Caprica, same deal.

[00:39:18] I guess we could talk a little bit about those when we get near

[00:39:21] the end, but yeah, it's.

[00:39:24] Ah, it is a pickle.

[00:39:26] It is a wonder why you wouldn't want to have it on at

[00:39:30] least a few streaming platforms.

[00:39:32] I've seen it occasionally they'll be re airing it even on

[00:39:35] telemundo, which is a universal channel, but yeah,

[00:39:39] I don't I am with you guys.

[00:39:41] I do not understand why you wouldn't want to milk something

[00:39:45] instead of let it just keep losing value over time and

[00:39:48] just bury it.

[00:39:51] And I think sci-fi needs this.

[00:39:53] Yeah, sci-fi as a community needs to see this again.

[00:39:56] Yeah, we're on some occasional marathons with new interviews

[00:40:00] with everybody.

[00:40:01] But yeah, I.

[00:40:03] It's.

[00:40:06] Why let something just kind of exhaust itself out and act like

[00:40:10] it doesn't exist.

[00:40:11] Then most of one of the first shows where it's like they would

[00:40:14] split up the seasons because they were trying to get over a

[00:40:16] writer strike and then before that they were also trying

[00:40:19] to.

[00:40:20] Have enough like here's season one part one.

[00:40:24] Get at the video store before season two or season one part

[00:40:28] two comes out and it's like so that was definitely a bit of a

[00:40:32] scuffle at first.

[00:40:33] I can only imagine the headaches.

[00:40:35] Yeah, so.

[00:40:38] I'm looking at this overall.

[00:40:41] I do feel like they're it's just so much fun.

[00:40:44] I keep going back to the mini characters.

[00:40:46] There are so many of them who you know they're not the

[00:40:50] first like six people.

[00:40:53] But they kind of have minor key roles in various things like,

[00:40:59] you know, I mentioned Zerick earlier.

[00:41:02] He is always when first introduced, you know that he wants to

[00:41:06] basically as the VP take over the presidency, but.

[00:41:11] You never really are prepared for it even no matter how many

[00:41:14] times you've seen it.

[00:41:15] It's like, yeah, he just seems like a nice guy who.

[00:41:18] Wants an opportunity, but he's not going to go to the point where

[00:41:21] he's going to friend to kill people.

[00:41:22] But oh, I'm completely mistaken.

[00:41:24] He will totally try and kill a bunch of people because that's

[00:41:27] how ruthless he is.

[00:41:28] I had fun looking at just some of the other guys here who

[00:41:31] completely refuse orders and it makes you wonder why they're

[00:41:34] not in a prison cell.

[00:41:35] Skulls was one.

[00:41:36] He's a big tall handsome black guy who's starbuck at one

[00:41:41] point has to wound during the first insurrection, but it's

[00:41:45] so wild how they don't even bring that up again.

[00:41:47] They're just like, yeah, we don't trust you, but you're here

[00:41:51] until, you know, we get rid of you.

[00:41:54] I'll tell you what watching through one of my favorite

[00:41:57] characters to rewatch is the doctor.

[00:41:59] Yeah, my God.

[00:42:01] Oh yeah.

[00:42:03] He is.

[00:42:04] He's smoking, but he's having kind of he's like one of the

[00:42:07] few optimistic people on the show is.

[00:42:09] Yeah.

[00:42:10] I mean, you have to kind of be if you're a doctor, but I

[00:42:12] mean, like.

[00:42:13] Man.

[00:42:14] And he works on both silent and human, especially during

[00:42:17] the occupation and as someone who works with doctors and

[00:42:20] his job.

[00:42:22] You know, the real thing I have to do, but it's funny how

[00:42:26] I don't know how who he is.

[00:42:28] I looked him up one, but he reminds me of someone they

[00:42:30] like pulled out of mash and they stuck him in a

[00:42:33] ballpark.

[00:42:34] Yeah, he does.

[00:42:35] Kind of doctor.

[00:42:36] Yeah, I had seen his resume a bunch.

[00:42:39] He's on the Vinci's inquest a bunch, but yeah, he's

[00:42:42] been on a few other things and it just seemed like.

[00:42:45] Yeah, he is just kind of like the legit guy.

[00:42:48] Like he is the.

[00:42:49] He's always neutral too when they're.

[00:42:51] When he's saying is like I will not harm a child.

[00:42:55] I will not do this.

[00:42:57] I don't care about your military privilege.

[00:42:59] You know, someone's got to survive here.

[00:43:01] Yeah.

[00:43:02] And.

[00:43:03] They do kind of.

[00:43:05] Almost go in the formula territory by saying he's

[00:43:08] like literally one of the few doctors left, but they

[00:43:10] kind of back it up by also saying, Hey, you know, just.

[00:43:14] Let's take some shortcuts.

[00:43:16] You don't need a medicine.

[00:43:18] You just need, you know, some physical therapy or just

[00:43:20] need to just not be in combat the next.

[00:43:23] By months.

[00:43:24] Here's a character all link here in the group chat.

[00:43:27] So here's this one character here.

[00:43:29] Noah Allison played by Sebastian Spence who you

[00:43:31] might recognize from a few different shows like.

[00:43:33] First wave.

[00:43:35] He's one of the blonde kind of clean shaving guys.

[00:43:39] And it's so wild too.

[00:43:41] How when they first do their various mutinies, he refuses

[00:43:45] like every order of a diamonds.

[00:43:48] And yet at the same time, he's like, I respect you, sir, but

[00:43:51] I'm not going to follow it.

[00:43:52] Like, damn.

[00:43:54] Like that is like.

[00:43:56] I would like to know a little more about that character.

[00:43:58] I get that he's just one of the many voices in the room,

[00:44:00] but like.

[00:44:01] That this, this brings up a good.

[00:44:04] Like you say, just every character is in the gray area for

[00:44:07] the most part.

[00:44:08] And then when they try to redeem half the bad guys in those last

[00:44:12] two seasons, it's even more interesting is like, yeah, are

[00:44:15] they beyond redemption?

[00:44:18] You could probably argue yes for the most part, but that at

[00:44:21] least they're trying as opposed to just, you know,

[00:44:24] I want to be powerful and worthy, you know.

[00:44:28] Yeah, it's interesting how again, the chain of command is

[00:44:32] like a constant thing.

[00:44:33] Like who do you respect?

[00:44:35] Because we kind of encounter this at our day jumps, you know,

[00:44:38] or at least at some point we have is like, I respect the

[00:44:41] title, but I don't respect the person.

[00:44:43] And there is always this dilemma.

[00:44:45] I like how not all of them are just hiding behind illegal

[00:44:49] drugs and just going to the bar constantly or just, I mean,

[00:44:53] earlier on, you know,

[00:44:55] Starbucks is totally into mindless sex and.

[00:44:58] A dollar junior is kind of just ego driven.

[00:45:02] He's like, yeah.

[00:45:04] He's like, and they kind of, they thankfully just kind of

[00:45:08] break out of that after a while.

[00:45:10] You're like, yeah, I can't keep doing this, whatever I'm

[00:45:12] doing, but I don't know how to change, which is also kind

[00:45:15] of heartbreaking is like when you have no one really to

[00:45:18] kind of look to or you broken severed that friendship,

[00:45:22] how do you kind of raise yourself back up mentally

[00:45:25] and physically?

[00:45:27] I think one of my favorite things about the show was

[00:45:29] was how they showed, you know, society, you know,

[00:45:33] it was basically like however many ships were left in the

[00:45:36] call in the fleet.

[00:45:38] It was so hard to keep track of.

[00:45:40] Yeah, like 50,000 people left or whatever it is.

[00:45:43] And society doesn't just collapse.

[00:45:47] And the fact that they still have government, you know,

[00:45:52] Roslyn becomes president because she's the head of

[00:45:57] Secretary of Education, Secretary.

[00:45:59] Yeah, thank you.

[00:46:02] You know, and then they still have they still have like all

[00:46:05] their, you know, elections and meetings and but then one of

[00:46:09] my favorite episodes or concepts was the when they were dealing

[00:46:14] with the one of the ships that was in charge of processing

[00:46:20] wasn't the water.

[00:46:22] It was.

[00:46:24] That's right.

[00:46:26] Yeah, it's like near the main main base camp where

[00:46:30] you're supposed to be.

[00:46:31] Yeah.

[00:46:33] And, you know, someone says like we're, we're forced to be grunts

[00:46:38] because, you know,

[00:46:40] like we don't.

[00:46:42] Choice to anything else because we just have to do this job and

[00:46:45] we don't get a choice anymore. And that's one of my,

[00:46:48] I always love that.

[00:46:50] Because we get that in our various cities where we see just

[00:46:54] run down areas, but the city is not, you know,

[00:46:57] the city is not like, well, instead of just saying avoid that

[00:47:01] place, why not, you know, have a in this day and age, you know,

[00:47:05] why not form a go fund me?

[00:47:07] Yeah.

[00:47:09] It's it's very eye opening how everybody's trying to kind of

[00:47:13] prosper, but they're also trying to.

[00:47:16] You know, you can only ignore the elephant in the room so long

[00:47:19] is like, yeah, let's just wind down. Let's let's get together.

[00:47:23] We don't have to like each other, but we got to work

[00:47:25] together.

[00:47:27] Otherwise we're no better than these, you know, various killer

[00:47:29] bots.

[00:47:31] Well, then you still have some people in society that get to live

[00:47:33] on the, the, the cruise ship.

[00:47:35] Yeah.

[00:47:37] I mean, yeah, it's like they see them in the mines for six

[00:47:39] months and rotate them out or something, you know, if

[00:47:41] everyone has to do their part.

[00:47:43] Totally.

[00:47:45] You know, the special president man is just when you

[00:47:47] first introduce her, you're like, okay.

[00:47:49] And it's not a plot hole, but I like when she first turns

[00:47:53] out to be a boss, when we're like they fixed the vote

[00:47:57] trying to elect Baltar the Zillet and the president.

[00:47:59] I'm like, why was she given a second chance?

[00:48:01] And I think it's just because she on closer inspection,

[00:48:05] she downplays her nature.

[00:48:07] She's just like the less likely person you would expect to

[00:48:10] be kind of a cutthroat.

[00:48:12] She plays it cool.

[00:48:14] And I mean, when you see how she finds out, she's

[00:48:17] a silent along with the callous Colonel T.

[00:48:20] Sander.

[00:48:22] Yes.

[00:48:24] And Tally.

[00:48:26] Yeah, how he has killed his wife Tally to cover that up because

[00:48:29] she knows about it is like, I like how she's still kind of,

[00:48:34] she has really no one to answer to like she is so about the

[00:48:38] deception and she doesn't even believe it anymore.

[00:48:43] She doesn't really believe in herself.

[00:48:45] It's interesting how some of these people, this is the

[00:48:47] very realistic show in terms of just kind of describing all the

[00:48:51] different bullies, all the different cutthroats, but it

[00:48:54] really does show how they get no reward after all this

[00:48:57] deception.

[00:48:58] And I'm like, see, that was kind of cool instead of just,

[00:49:01] oh, you make up your own ending.

[00:49:03] Like, no, they all got an ending.

[00:49:05] They all got to come up and some way.

[00:49:08] Some of them got out there locked to the wrong way.

[00:49:11] Yeah.

[00:49:13] And I think for me, one of the things that really hit me

[00:49:15] in parts of this for this, for this interview, I felt like,

[00:49:19] okay, for instance, let's compare it to another show that

[00:49:22] Ronald DeMore kind of wrote this as an anti is Voyager.

[00:49:26] Starts with Voyager.

[00:49:27] Now I'm a huge, huge Trekkie.

[00:49:28] Robert, I respect all your technical manuals right next

[00:49:31] to you.

[00:49:32] I have the same edition so very nice sir.

[00:49:35] But every, you know, Voyager, they tried a little bit

[00:49:39] of this and then you look at Balserk Black, which had

[00:49:41] some concepts about putting people together.

[00:49:43] The fact that when someone dies, you lose all that skill,

[00:49:46] all that intelligence, all that knowledge.

[00:49:48] A ship blows up and what do they have on it?

[00:49:50] They just replace it and it was really good how they did it

[00:49:53] on the space opera shows.

[00:49:54] It wasn't just like the different doctor or cop shows

[00:49:57] where they're like, hey, new maintenance is like, yeah,

[00:50:00] yeah, no, they're, they're into a finite.

[00:50:02] They were never here.

[00:50:03] They were not resources.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:05] They got killed in the line of duty and it was awesome.

[00:50:08] Is this my way to socially create with the audience

[00:50:11] some kind of emphasis?

[00:50:12] Absolutely.

[00:50:13] Individual importance of every character, you know,

[00:50:18] don't go further.

[00:50:19] What can I mention earlier how one voice in the room creates

[00:50:23] such deep impact on him.

[00:50:25] So you don't even need much or a lobbyous amount of words

[00:50:29] to really convey a good message and create a connection

[00:50:32] with a background character.

[00:50:34] Definitely a good connection.

[00:50:35] I'm still actually a little more startled by Duala's

[00:50:39] suicide.

[00:50:40] Adam's wife, Adam's junior's wife, because it does come out

[00:50:44] of nowhere, but I don't feel like it's just random or anything.

[00:50:48] I do feel like they kind of hint at how she is completely unhappy.

[00:50:52] Yeah.

[00:50:53] And then Adam goes to the cabin and he goes, you know,

[00:50:57] he puts the gun in his head and he, come on, let's do it.

[00:51:00] Let's do it.

[00:51:01] And he goes and he starts, you know,

[00:51:03] he starts teasing him and goes, oh, your wife came up to me too.

[00:51:06] You know, and I watched that scene just actually like two days ago.

[00:51:10] And I remember he goes, give me your fracking sidearm.

[00:51:13] And he goes, and he rags to, and it's stuff like that.

[00:51:16] And of course, our editor in almost who I've never won a face

[00:51:18] of boxing ring beat the crap out of me.

[00:51:20] He's so visceral.

[00:51:22] And that scene and the other actor,

[00:51:24] the Canadian actor that played the second command.

[00:51:28] I don't know why his name is escaping in both Cyclops.

[00:51:30] Michael Hogan.

[00:51:32] Thank you.

[00:51:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:51:34] Where the hell has he been?

[00:51:35] You're fracking with me, Bill.

[00:51:37] And I love him.

[00:51:38] And then the fact that that glass almost winds up in his lap.

[00:51:41] If you watch the scene really carefully, like almost goes in there.

[00:51:45] You've got to, they, where you can see all the items that are in the room

[00:51:48] before they walk in.

[00:51:49] So good on them.

[00:51:50] I mean, cause like all these guys, Michael,

[00:51:52] knocking everybody, they have done it virtually every genre.

[00:51:55] They've done, I saw him in the behind the scenes for Darkwinds

[00:51:59] recently, this new Navajo mystery show.

[00:52:01] But yeah, he's done sci-fi horror action.

[00:52:04] And everyone, it was just to see the, the, the blu-ray behind the scenes.

[00:52:07] Cause during the season free legal showdown where they're in court

[00:52:12] challenging Baltar, they had to keep that completely silent.

[00:52:16] Like only the eighties are whispering directions to the cinematographer.

[00:52:20] And it's so funny that the cinematographers are like, let's shoot already.

[00:52:24] You know, he's waiting for instructions and the directors are like, I have,

[00:52:27] we're shooting five different versions of the scene.

[00:52:30] I don't know what will be in the can until I go to the editing room tomorrow.

[00:52:33] You know, like that, this was seven in the early days of the internet where it

[00:52:37] is like, we don't want any extra, any AD, any makeup person, link in the

[00:52:42] script.

[00:52:43] It surprised a lot of people that you're like, so,

[00:52:48] and I think this is interesting how it has much like all these space

[00:52:53] shows, it has kind of comparisons to all these other westerns and

[00:52:57] everything.

[00:52:58] And the fact that they had a courtroom scene is like, how do you defend

[00:53:01] someone who you can't really mentally defend as reprehensible?

[00:53:06] And it makes me wonder is like, there's sisters not really much law

[00:53:13] abiding here.

[00:53:15] Yeah.

[00:53:16] It's like, how do you even maintain order after a while?

[00:53:19] And it brings up all of these cool concepts.

[00:53:22] I loved how during the stage, how they have Kelly.

[00:53:25] And if you look up, this guy's played by Ty Olson who you'll

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[00:55:14] You think he's going to just side with all the

[00:55:17] guys who've taken over the ship and he's just

[00:55:19] like, yeah, no, I can't do it.

[00:55:22] I'm going to just fire at you and let you get

[00:55:24] away.

[00:55:25] So all these minor characters, they all have

[00:55:30] something to do.

[00:55:31] A hot dog was an interesting one because he's

[00:55:33] played by a drama portrayer, Edward, almost his

[00:55:36] real-life son, Bodie.

[00:55:38] But I like how on closer inspection, he's kind of

[00:55:41] the go-to guy for helping start up some of

[00:55:44] the ships and everything.

[00:55:46] He's a gearhead but he also has a reasonable

[00:55:49] amount of action and it's just interesting

[00:55:51] because I just like how there's a lot of

[00:55:53] stuff too, the pilot stuff.

[00:55:54] It's not just like the original Galactica where

[00:55:57] we're out of view screen and we're shouting

[00:56:00] orders starware style.

[00:56:02] You get a sense that, I mean, I see some people

[00:56:07] trash some of the CGI on this.

[00:56:09] I think it still serves the show well because

[00:56:12] it's done in a documentary kind of way and it's

[00:56:14] a lot of over saturated light.

[00:56:15] I think that's why I go with it versus

[00:56:17] other shows where you're like, that doesn't

[00:56:19] look finished.

[00:56:20] I think one of the things about the show

[00:56:23] that we watch too is Star Trek especially.

[00:56:26] They go very, very, very fast.

[00:56:28] So fast.

[00:56:29] Right, the FTL thing in Bowling Galactica is

[00:56:33] so different because they have these telescopes.

[00:56:35] We're going to jump here.

[00:56:36] There can't be any crap in the way because

[00:56:38] they jumped in.

[00:56:39] They actually talk about during the first

[00:56:42] major episode is 33 and they talk a lot

[00:56:45] about how to make those jumps and they're

[00:56:47] going to calculate and they're having to

[00:56:49] get the astronomers out in the telescopes.

[00:56:51] I was looking all over for local track

[00:56:55] rider Nair and Shankar who later was the

[00:56:57] head writer on CSI and the expanse because

[00:56:59] he's a big science major.

[00:57:01] So he was always called on by all these

[00:57:03] shows and like, no, they didn't call him

[00:57:05] in but you know, can you blame me?

[00:57:07] Because like they it is the same deal.

[00:57:09] It is embracing that world and

[00:57:11] acknowledging how the stuff works

[00:57:14] instead of just well we won't talk

[00:57:18] about it.

[00:57:19] You know, I can't wait to get an

[00:57:21] air wave.

[00:57:22] Right.

[00:57:23] Yeah.

[00:57:24] Yeah.

[00:57:25] It doesn't work.

[00:57:26] But yeah.

[00:57:28] Can you imagine having to make a jump?

[00:57:30] I mean, when they lose a few shifts

[00:57:32] because of a bad jump as like see,

[00:57:34] I think this is why people came back

[00:57:36] to it that it wasn't too depressing

[00:57:39] to where you're like, I feel like

[00:57:42] I've just seen a dozen different fictional

[00:57:45] holocausts but at the same time,

[00:57:47] you could literally perish.

[00:57:49] And there's still be an allegory.

[00:57:51] That's how they have very original

[00:57:53] one stars.

[00:57:54] Absolutely.

[00:57:55] The planet being obliterated

[00:57:58] and then be dissimated to just space

[00:58:00] colonies.

[00:58:01] There's an allegory to the story as

[00:58:03] opposed to, you know, yeah,

[00:58:05] who's going to be a Death Star victim?

[00:58:07] Like there is, I feel like

[00:58:09] they raise the stakes enough for a

[00:58:11] screenwriting perspective.

[00:58:12] You're not just waiting around until

[00:58:14] you lose interest.

[00:58:15] So the final tally,

[00:58:17] apparently like according to

[00:58:19] Wikipedia and it's cited from the episode.

[00:58:21] The final amount of survivors

[00:58:23] is 39,406.

[00:58:25] Yep.

[00:58:26] But that was cool how they would

[00:58:28] change that even in the just

[00:58:30] once a season.

[00:58:31] Literally I would see them change it

[00:58:33] in the theme.

[00:58:34] So I was like, okay, they do

[00:58:36] legit respect their audience.

[00:58:38] It isn't like all these space

[00:58:40] opera shows we've mentioned where it's

[00:58:42] like, okay, last season it was 15.

[00:58:44] Now we're up to 800.

[00:58:45] Okay, got it.

[00:58:46] Got it.

[00:58:47] Yeah.

[00:58:48] But there's a real pain in the ass

[00:58:49] to keep up with.

[00:58:50] It really is keeping up with it.

[00:58:52] I got a spreadsheet on Excel this

[00:58:54] big just called the colonial, you know,

[00:58:56] but I read somewhere and one of the

[00:58:58] one of the things that they did this

[00:59:00] and they like really regretted

[00:59:01] Roger Moore and Robert

[00:59:02] Echo Rivers, his name was,

[00:59:04] they regretted doing it because

[00:59:05] they're like, oh my god, we have

[00:59:06] to keep up with this.

[00:59:07] Yeah.

[00:59:08] Yeah.

[00:59:09] David Ike that's it.

[00:59:10] And he were like, oh my god,

[00:59:11] we have to keep up with this now.

[00:59:12] They're really hysterical in the

[00:59:13] way that they're doing it.

[00:59:14] Oh yeah.

[00:59:15] They created a monster.

[00:59:16] You'll love this, Joe and Robert.

[00:59:18] I mean, Travis you were mentioning,

[00:59:20] you know, free internet where it was

[00:59:22] today.

[00:59:23] It's so crazy how the commentary

[00:59:27] tracks produced for the home media

[00:59:29] sets were produced back in 06

[00:59:32] and you could listen to it on the

[00:59:33] official site by Channel site.

[00:59:35] Yeah.

[00:59:36] And they repackaged that for all

[00:59:37] the DVDs and Blu-ray but I'm like,

[00:59:39] man when in the early days of

[00:59:41] video, wow.

[00:59:42] That had to be crazy because

[00:59:45] unless you had recorded the episode,

[00:59:47] how did you sync that up back days?

[00:59:49] It kind of was back when people were

[00:59:51] figuring out all these commentaries.

[00:59:53] Universal should just release

[00:59:55] those as podcasts, you know,

[00:59:57] just put them all out there so

[00:59:59] that people can listen to them

[01:00:01] while they watch the shows.

[01:00:03] You don't necessarily need a visual

[01:00:04] but yeah.

[01:00:05] Yeah.

[01:00:06] Yeah.

[01:00:07] And I give you a quick picture of

[01:00:08] how late I arrived to this,

[01:00:10] to the picture of Syphus.

[01:00:12] So you understand, I got into

[01:00:13] United States in 2009

[01:00:15] but I didn't grew up with internet.

[01:00:16] Internet was a luxury so like

[01:00:18] in ten more countries like the

[01:00:20] Dominican Republic.

[01:00:21] We are spoiled now.

[01:00:22] You have a clone computer,

[01:00:24] they can only roll game way of dance

[01:00:25] games.

[01:00:26] Like crap.

[01:00:27] I still know people who can only,

[01:00:29] their only internet is when they go

[01:00:31] to the library.

[01:00:32] No exactly.

[01:00:33] I used to go to cyber cafes.

[01:00:35] We're out of seven days.

[01:00:36] Cyber cafe and basically pay for

[01:00:38] 30 minutes of internet so I can

[01:00:39] download things on

[01:00:40] line wire and Kassar.

[01:00:41] Wow.

[01:00:42] CDs so I can watch my movies.

[01:00:44] There's no printer in the future.

[01:00:45] So I want to get all the diagrams

[01:00:47] and paper but.

[01:00:48] And then you got rubbed in.

[01:00:50] I'm sorry.

[01:00:51] Sorry.

[01:00:52] I think I started really hard

[01:00:54] for sci-fi.

[01:00:55] What do you think Robert like

[01:00:57] 2005?

[01:00:58] No, no.

[01:00:59] I got here 2009,

[01:01:00] maybe 2015.

[01:01:01] Yeah.

[01:01:02] As soon as it was ended now

[01:01:04] you have all the time in the

[01:01:06] world to binge it.

[01:01:07] So William did the math here.

[01:01:09] So the population of the 12

[01:01:11] colonies is about 12 billion

[01:01:13] prior to being demolished.

[01:01:15] So man.

[01:01:16] Kind of 17th century

[01:01:18] earth population.

[01:01:19] The contrast.

[01:01:20] People are on this

[01:01:22] earth now estimate.

[01:01:24] I think I see my 20 billion.

[01:01:26] 8.1 billion is the current

[01:01:28] according to World War

[01:01:29] Day.

[01:01:30] So I'm going to go back to

[01:01:32] the world and I'm going to

[01:01:34] go back to the world.

[01:01:35] I'm going to go back to the

[01:01:37] world.

[01:01:38] So 1 billion is the current

[01:01:40] according to world

[01:01:42] DOMITORs.

[01:01:43] I remember when that came up.

[01:01:45] So sorry.

[01:01:46] We're four billion less.

[01:01:48] Man, does that mean we're in

[01:01:50] the past?

[01:01:51] A galactica.

[01:01:52] Yeah.

[01:01:53] Oh yeah.

[01:01:54] That's a good question.

[01:01:55] So.

[01:01:56] Hey NASA.

[01:01:57] Write it down.

[01:01:58] I want to be on the list.

[01:02:00] To Mars baby.

[01:02:01] We got super duper.

[01:02:02] We got to Mars.

[01:02:03] We got to Mars.

[01:02:04] We got to Mars.

[01:02:05] We got to Mars.

[01:02:06] We got to Mars.

[01:02:07] We got to Mars.

[01:02:08] We got to Mars.

[01:02:09] We got to Mars.

[01:02:10] We got to Mars.

[01:02:11] You know, because you know.

[01:02:12] Over the.

[01:02:13] On the nature of the cyborgs and

[01:02:15] everything.

[01:02:16] So if this is in the Valverde

[01:02:18] aliens, Blade Runner Universe.

[01:02:20] And those did crossovers with

[01:02:22] Robocop and Terminator.

[01:02:23] Do you think that these

[01:02:25] Cylons are actually from

[01:02:27] Skynet?

[01:02:28] Or is that just bullshit?

[01:02:30] Bander's.

[01:02:31] Well, you know,

[01:02:32] they are like they far future

[01:02:34] for definitely inspired, but

[01:02:36] they're not necessarily part of

[01:02:37] the Cylons are the Tesla robots.

[01:02:39] Oh, there you go.

[01:02:43] No, no, no, no, I think that

[01:02:45] the Cylons are too stoic.

[01:02:47] They probably got to be the Robots

[01:02:48] from Boston Dynamics.

[01:02:49] They're a little slower.

[01:02:50] Yeah.

[01:02:51] Yeah.

[01:02:52] I take us by surprise.

[01:02:54] I bet you everybody became

[01:02:56] a great scientist on this show

[01:02:58] just by reading popular mechanics

[01:03:00] growing up in the future.

[01:03:02] Okay, so William, man,

[01:03:04] you were going to town, my dude.

[01:03:06] So population

[01:03:08] of 150,000 years ago

[01:03:10] in today's world was estimated to be

[01:03:12] 300,000 when the fleet arrived in

[01:03:14] the S.O.L. Wow.

[01:03:15] Whoa. Okay.

[01:03:16] The solar system. Yeah.

[01:03:17] Our star system.

[01:03:18] Sorry I'm getting and then

[01:03:20] here's a crazy.

[01:03:22] We're here to geek out for

[01:03:24] an hour and a half.

[01:03:25] So 150,000 years ago,

[01:03:27] paleoanthropology is actually a passion

[01:03:29] of mine, oddly enough.

[01:03:31] And so

[01:03:33] prehistory, 150,000 years

[01:03:35] ago, and I'd like to get in this later

[01:03:37] is a weird time here for them

[01:03:39] to set this when they arrived.

[01:03:41] Yet remember that there are still some other

[01:03:43] hominid species alive at this point.

[01:03:45] Neanderthals are still

[01:03:47] a successful

[01:03:49] species in Europe.

[01:03:51] You know, modern man had not yet

[01:03:53] conquered that part of Europe

[01:03:55] and going in through the Middle East.

[01:03:57] And so, you know,

[01:03:59] I think they came and they were still

[01:04:01] Neanderthals and others other

[01:04:03] hominid lines are running around this

[01:04:05] planet. Devonians,

[01:04:06] dysonians, how do you pronounce that?

[01:04:08] And even the hobbit species and even

[01:04:10] maybe others in Australia.

[01:04:12] So that's the 150,000 year mark

[01:04:15] is really interesting.

[01:04:16] I don't know why they ever settled on that.

[01:04:18] I don't have an interview with Ronald D.

[01:04:20] Moore to be like, you should have said it 12,000 years

[01:04:22] ago.

[01:04:23] The only thing I know is that

[01:04:24] but in the season two,

[01:04:26] people go, oh, he made it up on the spot.

[01:04:28] Like, no, he reworded that.

[01:04:30] He originally had a very grim ending.

[01:04:32] But yeah, I know that.

[01:04:34] Yeah, he didn't say specifically what it was.

[01:04:36] But during the Rider strike,

[01:04:38] he took one more look at it and he was like,

[01:04:40] I hate everything I've written.

[01:04:42] I'm going to redo this.

[01:04:44] So I think that's pretty mature

[01:04:46] compared to other people who are like,

[01:04:48] let's wing it.

[01:04:50] Let's go.

[01:04:52] So, yeah, no,

[01:04:54] I think that's pretty cool.

[01:04:56] But I think that's pretty cool.

[01:04:58] And I think that's pretty cool.

[01:05:00] So, yeah,

[01:05:02] much like how they showed the different silence,

[01:05:04] it does make you wonder how some of them did not

[01:05:06] come across some of the caveman

[01:05:08] era of mankind in some capacity

[01:05:10] that, you know what,

[01:05:12] I would actually like to see that's actually a good segue

[01:05:14] to Caprica.

[01:05:16] So my sister was into this.

[01:05:18] Me and my uncle weren't really into this.

[01:05:20] What is your guys's overall take on this

[01:05:22] earlier Adama family, as well as

[01:05:24] the creators behind it?

[01:05:26] What it was like to live on that version of Earth.

[01:05:28] I honestly think

[01:05:30] it's gone too soon.

[01:05:32] Okay, yeah, no, that's

[01:05:34] possible. I think every show deserves at least

[01:05:36] free years instead

[01:05:38] of just one and done because

[01:05:40] sometimes you need a lesser season to get

[01:05:42] better or maybe

[01:05:44] it was a good season

[01:05:46] and we're just, you know, subjective.

[01:05:48] I don't know, William, you saw that one

[01:05:50] or? Yeah, I saw pieces of it.

[01:05:52] I did when I did

[01:05:54] a thing on it.

[01:05:56] Because I was digging it at one point

[01:05:58] about

[01:06:00] I was doing a thing on a robotic soldier so I did about

[01:06:02] how the Cylons evolved and I had to

[01:06:04] kind of get dig into that and of course it's got a lot

[01:06:06] of Terminator into it. They injected

[01:06:08] a lot of Blade Runner of course, but Caprica

[01:06:10] could have set us up

[01:06:12] and we could have seen because there was

[01:06:14] a lot this is before the 12th Call of Duty.

[01:06:16] Did you see any of this Travis or did you not make time for this?

[01:06:18] I didn't see Caprica.

[01:06:20] No, it's fine.

[01:06:22] I'd love to get your opinion. You guys' opinion because

[01:06:24] I really haven't seen it and I don't have

[01:06:26] I could never get into it but I

[01:06:28] really I think them and

[01:06:30] it was interesting how the pilot

[01:06:32] was kind of the precursor to that so I will

[01:06:34] say that that was smart marketing. I like

[01:06:36] to give a positive review to something

[01:06:38] regardless of my take on it.

[01:06:40] It was the on-rated

[01:06:42] they had all these other famous

[01:06:44] voice actors lined up to it but they had to cut

[01:06:46] their parts from it but

[01:06:48] it was kind of creepy.

[01:06:50] Without even being horrific or anything

[01:06:52] it was just kind of like here's

[01:06:54] what's inside their minds, here's how they think

[01:06:56] you know so like you say

[01:06:58] it was a Skynet kind of look at it

[01:07:00] and then they went into here's these

[01:07:02] deceiving families and

[01:07:04] to your earlier point Geo yeah here's how

[01:07:06] these elites live

[01:07:08] Travis was mentioning it earlier how

[01:07:10] like they

[01:07:12] they just kind of have these prejudices

[01:07:14] they look at each other like yeah

[01:07:16] I'm you know

[01:07:18] I'm this way and you can't change

[01:07:20] me so they did kind of

[01:07:22] show some of the cards and everything it would

[01:07:24] have been okay to have it on it around the same time

[01:07:26] before the prequel shows

[01:07:28] I do I would have loved

[01:07:30] to see more of Blood and Chrome but

[01:07:32] the movie is itself it was at least a decent

[01:07:34] wrap-up it's not like

[01:07:36] some of those other pilots you watch where

[01:07:38] you're like yeah but this is an incomplete

[01:07:40] story so it just leaves me wanting more that I'll

[01:07:42] never get yeah no I

[01:07:44] for years have said let's reboot it and I think

[01:07:46] that's what always confused me about it

[01:07:48] like it's already ended there's no need to

[01:07:50] reboot it yeah

[01:07:52] you know it makes a lot more sense if they

[01:07:54] create they do the same thing the same

[01:07:56] formula they use to create

[01:07:58] and they do because

[01:08:00] their the story so freaking

[01:08:02] rich right there really is

[01:08:04] you just throw up a coin

[01:08:06] and wherever it lands it's going to be a hit

[01:08:08] I am and you're never looking

[01:08:10] it's kind of like I think the closest

[01:08:12] comparison to this

[01:08:14] this is a totally different show

[01:08:16] I do this now with Ted Lassa

[01:08:18] where I am watching a scene

[01:08:20] but I'm my eyes are

[01:08:22] darting in a different direction

[01:08:24] here's what this guy is doing in the background that's hysterical

[01:08:26] and that's why

[01:08:28] that has to do with that gag that's two episodes

[01:08:30] down the road same kind of deal here like

[01:08:32] this is kind of one of those first shows where he's like

[01:08:34] I

[01:08:36] depending on where you are looking

[01:08:38] you're finding all these other it is literally

[01:08:40] looking at a

[01:08:42] manipulative painting in a way where you are

[01:08:44] it means so

[01:08:46] many different things

[01:08:48] the more you look at it and then

[01:08:50] the more you're observing the more you're finding all these

[01:08:52] extra details and it is

[01:08:54] I think that is why like you say people

[01:08:56] come back to it they really

[01:08:58] it really is a labor of love

[01:09:00] and again who would have guessed you know because for a

[01:09:02] while you know sci-fi was kind of the

[01:09:04] trashy station and

[01:09:06] and you know they're like let's shoot in Canada

[01:09:08] tax cuts no one's expecting this to be good

[01:09:10] being kicky wasn't cool then

[01:09:12] yeah

[01:09:14] now it is

[01:09:18] now we're here

[01:09:20] now we're here

[01:09:22] one of the things that I was thinking earlier

[01:09:24] is like for example

[01:09:26] Star Trek is doing it's kind of doing this right

[01:09:28] there you go

[01:09:30] they've even took some of their cast

[01:09:32] if you follow Star Trek

[01:09:34] from the very beginning you know my

[01:09:36] the first my first experience with Star Trek

[01:09:38] was Captain Kirk back in the original series

[01:09:40] and

[01:09:42] I was one of these

[01:09:44] so you notice

[01:09:46] started on the different captains like apples and oranges

[01:09:48] and they were the same person

[01:09:50] you don't want

[01:09:52] six copies of the same wind-up toy

[01:09:54] you want them

[01:09:56] so here's the thing for a while

[01:09:58] Star Trek was Enterprise

[01:10:00] and Enterprise was Star Trek

[01:10:02] and then all of a sudden you have like this

[01:10:04] Space Nine and now you have Voyager

[01:10:06] so what the reason

[01:10:08] why I'm bringing these up is the fact that Galactica

[01:10:10] could have shows

[01:10:12] that you know okay let's have this show

[01:10:14] based on this ownership

[01:10:16] before the Arrowverse before the Marvel

[01:10:18] Netflix shows before all this stuff

[01:10:20] that's all together

[01:10:22] exactly so

[01:10:24] yeah I don't know

[01:10:26] I just and then we took over every

[01:10:28] network

[01:10:30] and with Caprica

[01:10:32] I am a fan

[01:10:34] of getting to know

[01:10:36] or getting more information

[01:10:38] or background information on an IP that I like

[01:10:40] and Caprica had the potential

[01:10:42] to providing that for fans

[01:10:44] and that's the reason why I said it's gone too soon

[01:10:46] because

[01:10:48] it has the potential to be so much more than

[01:10:50] I love how you had a tech

[01:10:52] reference in their IP

[01:10:54] yeah but I know what you mean

[01:10:56] yeah

[01:10:58] I don't know what they could have done with the fifth season

[01:11:00] but I wouldn't have been against it

[01:11:02] it's just but I think that's

[01:11:04] what I applaud about it is just

[01:11:06] knowing when to settle down I guess

[01:11:08] because you see so many other shows where like

[01:11:10] yeah that season was just filler

[01:11:12] we didn't know when we were ending

[01:11:14] and Williams having a Captain Archer in the corner

[01:11:16] yeah that

[01:11:18] that show definitely took from this one

[01:11:20] where they were like let's

[01:11:22] have our angry reaction to 9-11

[01:11:24] um

[01:11:26] oh

[01:11:28] hey

[01:11:30] that's the Johnny lighting version

[01:11:32] not the Ego Moss I bought that

[01:11:34] anyway

[01:11:36] but yeah sorry I gotta give a shout out to Enterprise

[01:11:38] Enterprise is my favorite live action Star Trek show

[01:11:40] and you all can stab me later

[01:11:42] over that and no I don't like to think

[01:11:44] Star Trek is here to make peace

[01:11:46] that's what I don't get to

[01:11:48] I will see so many people rile up and I'm like

[01:11:50] are you that is my wife's favorite

[01:11:52] Star Wars guys smart woman

[01:11:54] that is my wife

[01:11:56] don't play around with Captain Archer

[01:11:58] that's all I can tell

[01:12:00] hey my wife like Tripp Tucker but I'm not really sure why

[01:12:02] hmm

[01:12:04] well

[01:12:06] he was a 504

[01:12:08] the actual cartoon Archer

[01:12:10] yeah that's true so

[01:12:12] help me understand something with

[01:12:14] how many episodes

[01:12:16] how many episodes do we get

[01:12:18] around 13

[01:12:20] okay

[01:12:22] I think Gio is still mad

[01:12:24] that it ended definitely

[01:12:26] I mean the

[01:12:28] it's the one season and it's made on a way

[01:12:30] that the ending of the season

[01:12:32] is when things get started

[01:12:34] hmm

[01:12:36] that is true there is a lot of

[01:12:38] the very very first cyborg ever

[01:12:40] into a which is a consciousness

[01:12:42] escape a lab

[01:12:44] and that's when he ends

[01:12:46] yeah

[01:12:48] I think it did a good thing of just saying

[01:12:50] we're gonna be different instead of

[01:12:52] we're you know like you don't

[01:12:54] have to know anything about the other show

[01:12:56] to exist and I do wish

[01:12:58] spin-offs would take a note from that because I see

[01:13:00] so many of them doing it and like I don't

[01:13:02] know what's happening I haven't seen the other show

[01:13:04] yep

[01:13:06] I didn't know until Robert mentioned that this

[01:13:08] paprika was part of Galactica I would have never

[01:13:10] guessed it absolutely and

[01:13:12] to make any of this depressing

[01:13:14] stuff entertaining is still an accomplishment

[01:13:16] you know I think Rome is another one

[01:13:18] you know that's another show that HBO

[01:13:20] kind of just

[01:13:22] had but didn't know what to do with and I'm like

[01:13:24] you're talking about everything slavery

[01:13:26] you know marriage

[01:13:28] adultery

[01:13:30] conquest

[01:13:32] Vikings TV show I think

[01:13:34] some similar stuff

[01:13:36] just again

[01:13:38] talking about the elites and the less fortunate

[01:13:40] and how

[01:13:42] when one intercedes with the other there's no mercy

[01:13:44] for one another

[01:13:46] it's interesting how

[01:13:48] I don't know what it is

[01:13:50] I think a lot of people are just

[01:13:52] I think many of us know how to

[01:13:54] make a philosophical

[01:13:56] kind of storytelling it's just very hard to

[01:13:58] lay out

[01:14:00] and make compelling little

[01:14:02] interesting

[01:14:04] and again I think

[01:14:06] so many shows they just cast too many people

[01:14:08] and then

[01:14:10] next thing you know after one season they're like

[01:14:12] what do you do with your character so you're not coming back

[01:14:14] or we're killing you off

[01:14:16] as a random surprise

[01:14:18] that is a perfect

[01:14:20] contrast yeah just people

[01:14:22] who are cool and they redeem

[01:14:24] later I mean that is one thing I do like about

[01:14:26] Star Trek how it is

[01:14:28] instead of just acting like this installment doesn't

[01:14:30] exist let's fix that problem here's

[01:14:32] the real issue with

[01:14:34] Spock's half brother and all the other versions

[01:14:36] of data and

[01:14:38] you know what's show for example those like

[01:14:40] having a very large cast and being able to

[01:14:42] outplay them throughout the whole

[01:14:44] set of seasons Westworld

[01:14:46] Westworld has such a big

[01:14:48] amount of characters

[01:14:50] I'm talking about more than a dozen people

[01:14:52] that are like very imperative to the main story

[01:14:54] and the fact is that

[01:14:56] after all the seasons they just come out

[01:14:58] in season six and they have their big

[01:15:00] moment and they're like he was in the background

[01:15:02] all the time yeah how did

[01:15:04] I not see it

[01:15:06] the janitor was behind

[01:15:08] it all but even having to

[01:15:10] realistically play a robot

[01:15:12] that is not easy for any actor how

[01:15:14] do you relate to that one that doesn't

[01:15:16] exist in real life I get that yes actor

[01:15:18] you're supposed to act but where do you find the inspiration

[01:15:20] instead of just imitating

[01:15:22] you know earlier

[01:15:24] cyborg stuff everybody draw

[01:15:26] everybody draws inspiration from

[01:15:28] data I guess there is

[01:15:30] that there's the term

[01:15:32] I do like how they also

[01:15:34] they clarify it's like hey these

[01:15:36] silons some of them want to be human

[01:15:38] some of them can have

[01:15:40] kids we don't know how or why I think

[01:15:42] that was interesting to me on this

[01:15:44] rewatch because it's like hey

[01:15:46] again much like some of these guys are trying

[01:15:48] to redeem themselves

[01:15:50] not everyone has all the answers in the room

[01:15:52] they're trying to figure out

[01:15:54] how this shit works all the science

[01:15:56] I think any other show would have probably

[01:15:58] just put it in just for a

[01:16:00] cheap shock and they were like

[01:16:02] this is happening and they're showing

[01:16:04] them all these characters just these cold

[01:16:06] opens where they're processing all this

[01:16:08] you know findings are like

[01:16:10] I don't know what to do with this

[01:16:12] I've told Robert many times

[01:16:14] too in regards to like

[01:16:16] Capric example when it's

[01:16:18] very different to the main canon of

[01:16:20] a story when a director tries

[01:16:22] to do that it's a very bold move

[01:16:24] and I think it's a 5050 chance

[01:16:26] we're gonna hate it

[01:16:28] people are gonna love it it has happened

[01:16:30] all across the filmmaking since the

[01:16:32] beginning of time when they grab a

[01:16:34] classic IP and they give it a spin off

[01:16:36] and change a lot of things in the looks

[01:16:38] how about that

[01:16:40] that's a good contrast

[01:16:42] technically in the same universe

[01:16:44] the way Lynn you tend to connection

[01:16:46] so

[01:16:48] yeah but that was true too like

[01:16:50] some of the lot I haven't heard

[01:16:52] all these guys actually got along on set

[01:16:54] like I know Katie

[01:16:56] Sackoff

[01:16:58] and company have said that they refer to

[01:17:00] Edward James almost as Uncle Eddie

[01:17:02] because he babysits all their kids

[01:17:04] but

[01:17:06] when you see him even directing like those

[01:17:08] five plus episodes he

[01:17:10] kind of like on stand and deliver it like

[01:17:12] half the time the directors would say hey

[01:17:14] you've done both you've been in both chairs

[01:17:16] how about

[01:17:18] they follow your lead and so half the time

[01:17:20] like when they were filming it they were

[01:17:22] the crew was actually emotionally getting

[01:17:24] over 9-11 and so the

[01:17:26] so say we all was actually an ad 11 ads

[01:17:28] and it just blows my mind it's just like all these other successful

[01:17:30] shows you're like I thought that was in the script

[01:17:32] that is the pain

[01:17:34] pain

[01:17:36] that set life but I think

[01:17:38] that's that's what's cool too

[01:17:40] there was a chill

[01:17:42] set

[01:17:44] so they did their better even better

[01:17:46] as opposed to

[01:17:48] on the

[01:17:50] no one was

[01:17:52] breaking stuff coming to set late

[01:17:54] see that's that's cool

[01:17:56] the fact that some of these guys like you say they were

[01:17:58] unknowns they got to mature

[01:18:00] all then and there Katie Sackoff

[01:18:02] was told by your agent you know just

[01:18:04] if you got an issue probably don't say anything

[01:18:06] this is a cut-frope town

[01:18:08] you know you don't want to be called a diva

[01:18:10] but she had her own reasons for how she

[01:18:12] went about things and I think that is cool

[01:18:14] the

[01:18:16] young Adama guy you know I've seen him in other

[01:18:18] British stuff and

[01:18:20] I think all these guys are also

[01:18:22] the reason they are so cool is they are cool

[01:18:24] with being part of an ensemble

[01:18:26] isn't like

[01:18:28] I think that is the best mentality

[01:18:30] instead of I will do this but only

[01:18:32] if I'm the lead or you know the villain

[01:18:34] you know

[01:18:54] I'm sure you guys all probably

[01:18:56] all have your favorite

[01:18:58] holy shit moments that the show gave us

[01:19:00] yeah we're going to leave again

[01:19:02] mine is

[01:19:04] the

[01:19:06] notes of all across

[01:19:08] all along the watch tower start to play

[01:19:10] through the piano like that whole theme

[01:19:12] starts to change from

[01:19:14] Starbucks thing into that

[01:19:16] and then that leads

[01:19:18] the final

[01:19:20] Cylons to reveal themselves

[01:19:22] and then we go to each other like I think that might be one of my favorite

[01:19:24] holy shit moments

[01:19:26] so true man

[01:19:28] this introduced me to bear Mcquarrie

[01:19:30] he later again

[01:19:32] you know scored walk and dead, the Terminator TV

[01:19:34] show and

[01:19:36] the God of War video games

[01:19:38] Agents of Shield but

[01:19:40] currently doing the Lord of the Rings TV show

[01:19:42] which even if you don't like it I recommend everyone

[01:19:44] just listen to that soundtrack like

[01:19:46] he does a perfect tribute to Howard shore

[01:19:48] while doing his own thing but like

[01:19:50] the fact that he did all

[01:19:52] that piano when she's finding out

[01:19:54] that guy at the bar actually is her dad

[01:19:56] oh god

[01:19:58] that's I'm going to cheat that's my holy shit moment

[01:20:00] but yeah no but

[01:20:02] I still remember once a while I think

[01:20:04] I have heard that cover that he has

[01:20:06] done of

[01:20:08] Hendrix Watchtower in certain car commercials

[01:20:10] or someone's done

[01:20:12] just as good a job but yeah

[01:20:14] it that is just

[01:20:16] a beautiful like if I had to just pick

[01:20:18] a scene and just show it in a film study

[01:20:20] class

[01:20:22] I would take that scene and say guys

[01:20:24] I want you to make something like that

[01:20:26] because I was at a terrible college

[01:20:28] much more short like

[01:20:30] here's the funny thing that these professors

[01:20:32] said to me don't make movies with

[01:20:34] spaceships zombies or hitmen because

[01:20:36] you can't relate to it in real life

[01:20:38] I thought that's the whole point

[01:20:40] of filmmaking

[01:20:42] take stuff you can't relate and make it

[01:20:44] real make it stick

[01:20:46] like I remember that's the call

[01:20:48] it's a good thought experiment

[01:20:50] well and

[01:20:52] yeah no good call on the music man

[01:20:54] I can't

[01:20:56] because it is the right amount of just kind of

[01:20:58] I think

[01:21:00] it in Lord of the Rings kind of got me into

[01:21:02] kind of that oh you know just

[01:21:04] Christian almost esch melodies mixed

[01:21:06] in with the epic

[01:21:08] mix of a piece 6

[01:21:10] for me was Excalibur when they did it in

[01:21:12] 1981 Excalibur where they had the final

[01:21:14] battle

[01:21:16] with all the different

[01:21:18] sound effects we're like whoa

[01:21:22] I can't tell if that's

[01:21:24] and you're right he did do outlander which

[01:21:26] Ronald yeah I'll enter

[01:21:28] my wife read all the books if you're not

[01:21:30] watching outlander and of course that's Ronald

[01:21:32] more who's doing it and I'll enter

[01:21:34] one of the best shows on TV

[01:21:36] everyone will dig that one it's

[01:21:38] love it it's very epic but

[01:21:40] I have anything I still

[01:21:42] need to get caught up on for all mankind

[01:21:44] I know

[01:21:46] Gio and Robert you guys have done

[01:21:48] the pilot no not yet

[01:21:50] not yet I'm

[01:21:52] I am saving it

[01:21:54] all right perfect save it

[01:21:56] so the long story short good dessert after dinner

[01:22:00] the long story short it's

[01:22:02] a space force that assembles

[01:22:04] if Russia had landed on the moon first

[01:22:06] it's all I'm gonna say I'm 16

[01:22:08] on the moon baby with spaces right

[01:22:10] and they have guns and their astronauts

[01:22:12] so that and man in the high castle

[01:22:14] I think if anything battle star is

[01:22:16] underrated you guys have already

[01:22:18] hinted at how it made addicting

[01:22:20] TV very intriguing

[01:22:22] but and how

[01:22:24] it was just an unlikely addiction no one

[01:22:26] knew what to expect and it was a pleasant surprise

[01:22:28] but yeah I do feel like

[01:22:30] when people go to a pitch meeting they definitely

[01:22:32] take notes from this you're like

[01:22:34] oh it's gonna blow your mind it's gonna

[01:22:36] it's just as good as a movie

[01:22:38] can we

[01:22:40] can we talk about the visuals

[01:22:42] I don't think you know the visuals

[01:22:44] on this show

[01:22:46] to me are unique

[01:22:48] yeah if they

[01:22:50] have ever been done

[01:22:52] they're probably being done minimal

[01:22:54] after the fact

[01:22:56] and it's just I just want to get

[01:22:58] your thoughts everybody's here thoughts

[01:23:00] on the fact that they filmed on film

[01:23:02] for the miniseries and then went straight to digital

[01:23:04] I think this was the first thing I saw on digital

[01:23:06] on small screen

[01:23:08] in the camera work and how the angles

[01:23:10] work and how the lighting

[01:23:12] it is just it actually

[01:23:14] adds up to the grittiness

[01:23:16] of it but I feel

[01:23:18] yeah all the claustrophobia where you're like

[01:23:20] what are they doing in that locker room some of the

[01:23:22] bad's about to happen

[01:23:24] not only that but I wanted to mention earlier

[01:23:26] just the

[01:23:28] sonography and the sets

[01:23:30] are so complete that you don't need to

[01:23:32] kill yourself doing

[01:23:34] special effects for open

[01:23:36] setups half the time they're

[01:23:38] looking at actual reflections of themselves

[01:23:40] which works so well for the actual drama

[01:23:42] we're like oh that guy he's just

[01:23:44] been revealed to be an undercover you know bad guy

[01:23:46] and

[01:23:48] by mainstream media

[01:23:50] critic criticizing

[01:23:52] it's actually wildly know

[01:23:54] that galactica in all this space

[01:23:56] I find yeah the most cynical people

[01:23:58] gave us a pass that sets so that says

[01:24:00] something I like they tell

[01:24:02] they tell somewhere doesn't stand next to it

[01:24:04] Star Trek doesn't stand next to it galactica

[01:24:06] is an animal of its own and it's actually

[01:24:08] the best when it comes to best

[01:24:10] sets for filming

[01:24:12] and how did that come out of

[01:24:14] 1978 series

[01:24:16] right no disrespect but Jesus

[01:24:18] I mean I've watched that show

[01:24:20] recently and especially in high death you start

[01:24:22] to see the wires open and done it

[01:24:24] but like and of course the Viper design

[01:24:26] is outstanding

[01:24:28] I fell over and show me Star Trek

[01:24:30] 1954 rubber

[01:24:32] yeah

[01:24:34] Star Trek 1954

[01:24:36] to be fair

[01:24:38] there's one where

[01:24:40] they were so unimpressed with their second season

[01:24:42] that they redid it in the comics and I've told

[01:24:44] Travis about this before and you guys might have heard

[01:24:46] this apparently dynamite comics has done some

[01:24:48] cool comics I'm holding here

[01:24:50] what's funny is they did

[01:24:52] a crossover where they had

[01:24:54] both universes collide and Peter David

[01:24:56] wrote it he's done a lot of these sci-fi

[01:24:58] high-ends as well as original content so it was like

[01:25:00] interesting it was like

[01:25:02] if anything I think communities have gone over it

[01:25:04] I've seen the funny photo that's a meme

[01:25:06] where the original Starbuck

[01:25:08] what's his name

[01:25:10] Hatch no no no Hatch

[01:25:12] not Hatch the other guy

[01:25:14] Dirk Dirk Dirk from 18

[01:25:16] yeah Dirk Benedict

[01:25:18] has had a cigarette with Katie Sack

[01:25:20] out and was like see

[01:25:22] Hatch Starbuck

[01:25:24] yeah yeah it's so funny

[01:25:26] it's the characters and I was like

[01:25:28] Starbuck and Starbuck at Starbuck's it's like a bad joke

[01:25:30] set up. Triple meaning yeah

[01:25:32] it's really bad but it's really awesome

[01:25:34] Starbuck's Inception right there

[01:25:36] Starbuck's At Starbuck's At Starbuck's

[01:25:38] yeah there you go Inception does not exist

[01:25:40] yeah

[01:25:42] oh man

[01:25:44] it

[01:25:46] there's so many things to think from this

[01:25:48] and don't get me wrong I still see

[01:25:50] some people

[01:25:52] hate on the ending I think they just want

[01:25:54] the grimness so well they wanted

[01:25:56] a harsher ending and I'm like

[01:25:58] I didn't

[01:26:00] feel that way I didn't feel

[01:26:02] like I did with Sopranos where

[01:26:04] Tony's gotta go take someone out you know

[01:26:06] I think the only

[01:26:08] misstep with the ending

[01:26:10] is that

[01:26:12] Adama

[01:26:14] and Ty don't have

[01:26:16] a goodbye to each other

[01:26:18] they don't talk to each other at the ending

[01:26:20] that is true

[01:26:22] that's a beautiful point

[01:26:24] and see this is why I like doing these

[01:26:26] I like saying what we would do

[01:26:28] different instead of just nah it sucked

[01:26:30] you know it was like so yeah yeah

[01:26:32] Ty after

[01:26:34] sharing a few more yeah

[01:26:36] rounds of liquor with them yeah

[01:26:38] he kinda doesn't want anything

[01:26:40] to do with them I don't know if it's just because

[01:26:42] they did the flashback showing where he

[01:26:44] first met his

[01:26:46] Cylon wife Ellen I don't know if

[01:26:48] they just

[01:26:50] exhausted it yeah that is

[01:26:52] a good point I don't know why they just said

[01:26:54] let's just stop having scenes with them

[01:26:56] one of the things

[01:26:58] that I really that I kinda liked about

[01:27:00] the show that not many shows do

[01:27:02] and

[01:27:04] I will you know it's kinda like a

[01:27:06] shame because I really enjoy

[01:27:08] it's the little nuggets

[01:27:10] that they give you from other

[01:27:12] sides I do love your nuggets but

[01:27:14] these are the dark chocolate almond kind

[01:27:16] these are

[01:27:18] like for example there's a weapons locker

[01:27:20] 1701

[01:27:22] D

[01:27:24] that's the enterprise

[01:27:26] there is the fire and you can even see it

[01:27:28] you see it in a few shots believe it or

[01:27:30] not along with the falcon

[01:27:32] enterprise itself

[01:27:34] is shown as one of the ships yeah

[01:27:36] so

[01:27:38] they got pretty cute and you can

[01:27:40] also see the firefly

[01:27:42] the firefly because it was the same visual

[01:27:44] effects company

[01:27:46] she goes back when she gets her cancer

[01:27:48] diagnosis she's in the doctor's office

[01:27:50] and you see it go by and the window I was

[01:27:52] like oh I know what that is

[01:27:54] you even see it in the mini series opening

[01:27:56] when the whole planet is getting

[01:27:58] decimated like it's one of the

[01:28:00] you see a few of those ships getting away

[01:28:02] so it's the same thing

[01:28:04] I watched it I was like hold on a second

[01:28:06] is that what I think it is

[01:28:08] yeah what the hell

[01:28:10] when you watch that you can almost hear the country

[01:28:12] oh my god

[01:28:16] but yeah I

[01:28:18] wish many shows and you know

[01:28:20] if you listen to our show you know that

[01:28:22] that's why I like this so much

[01:28:24] all these are requirements for Robert

[01:28:26] the whole idea

[01:28:28] is to bring all sci-fi together

[01:28:30] like every IP

[01:28:32] coming in and that's

[01:28:34] why I love when shows do this

[01:28:36] you know it doesn't have to be a long thing

[01:28:38] it could be something like here where it's like

[01:28:40] tiny or maybe when we're too fast

[01:28:42] but they pay homage to other sci-fi's

[01:28:44] to kind of like unite

[01:28:46] the sci-fi community together

[01:28:48] and I really think it did

[01:28:50] I think it made a lot of people take it more serious

[01:28:52] as opposed to pew pew

[01:28:54] mm-hmm

[01:28:56] I mean kind of you can argue this with other genres

[01:28:58] like I have to remind people hey

[01:29:00] you know there was other stuff for action before

[01:29:02] we got car chases there's

[01:29:04] other stuff for horror where it was just

[01:29:06] kind of more psychological or just

[01:29:08] a giant monster before you know it became

[01:29:10] hey let's have serial killers you know

[01:29:12] chopping people up you know it's

[01:29:14] it's hard to kind of explain to people

[01:29:16] the different subgenres in a way

[01:29:18] and this is kind of like you say like

[01:29:20] this is

[01:29:22] going beyond just the military

[01:29:24] and space and

[01:29:26] cyborg stuff like it's also

[01:29:28] talking about future

[01:29:30] societies and

[01:29:32] I love how they don't even have

[01:29:34] many they don't have escape pods in this

[01:29:36] universe either like they

[01:29:38] they are pretty much we stand

[01:29:40] our ground or we run

[01:29:42] it's like and I think

[01:29:44] yeah I definitely think one of the things

[01:29:46] that you like you're saying all these different things made

[01:29:48] to show unique they talked about religion

[01:29:50] and I was compelled like right

[01:29:52] well you know what about the scrolls of

[01:29:54] this time and yeah right

[01:29:56] it was a thing or real because she jumped

[01:29:58] off and then they go to cobalt

[01:30:00] and they get the direction and I was like

[01:30:02] so what's on cobalt what is

[01:30:04] the story there cobalt like fascinates

[01:30:06] the shit out of me because what is going

[01:30:08] on there and I bet you're supposed to watch

[01:30:10] this just for the action wanted

[01:30:12] to know more it what every character

[01:30:14] exactly even the character who was annoying

[01:30:16] you wanted to know more about it like

[01:30:18] I want to know how Ellen and

[01:30:20] T got together and why the hell they put

[01:30:22] up with each other shit instead

[01:30:24] of Harold's wife's name the

[01:30:26] the Cali

[01:30:28] yeah are so

[01:30:30] so so tragic

[01:30:32] and so

[01:30:34] I was going to care for that kid

[01:30:36] yeah

[01:30:38] I felt bad for her even though she

[01:30:40] she's weird in real life if you haven't read

[01:30:42] that please do that that is a good point

[01:30:44] that's like the only blemish

[01:30:46] personally it's like she had a friend

[01:30:48] who was like a businessman

[01:30:50] being accused of trafficking but

[01:30:52] we actually self hasn't done anything

[01:30:54] bad but it is one of those where it's

[01:30:56] like that that's the only

[01:30:58] scandal we're even going to remotely connect

[01:31:00] to the whole thing everyone else pretty much has a pretty cool

[01:31:02] clean record

[01:31:04] I was I never really thought about what you guys

[01:31:06] were saying like they send these background characters

[01:31:08] that would have been nothing on Star Trek right there

[01:31:10] now the bridge there's some people in the show

[01:31:12] that are just yeah three episodes

[01:31:14] or recurring stuntman

[01:31:16] or person you know but

[01:31:18] only three seasons later they gave them a name

[01:31:20] because they were recurring extra

[01:31:22] yeah I didn't think about that before

[01:31:24] we start talking I thought well that's that is really cool

[01:31:26] but

[01:31:28] I mean just looking at some of these other shows

[01:31:30] that were on for years

[01:31:32] like again Sunderland

[01:31:34] or Oz and everything I think this

[01:31:36] show is as much a crime show in a way

[01:31:38] even though it's in space and everything

[01:31:40] because you were having to

[01:31:42] again everyone is kind of putting each

[01:31:44] other on trial on the spot

[01:31:46] was like what do I believe why do I

[01:31:48] do what I do I mean

[01:31:50] Adama gives so many people get out of gel free cards

[01:31:52] he's kind of a progressive guy

[01:31:54] especially if you know the man himself Eddie

[01:31:56] and he's just so as interesting how

[01:31:58] he kind of had

[01:32:00] he didn't have a tough love approach

[01:32:02] but he definitely had a

[01:32:04] you know one more you know

[01:32:06] remark from you and you're going to be

[01:32:08] sharing that so with that thing

[01:32:10] I don't respect and

[01:32:12] he pretty much

[01:32:14] he's not a nuke

[01:32:16] at all on everything he is a very careful guy

[01:32:18] and to the earlier point

[01:32:20] that you guys made on

[01:32:22] showing how the science works

[01:32:24] and you got to navigate the charts I like how he was

[01:32:26] about that as well

[01:32:28] I mean the fact that

[01:32:30] he's got a message in a bottle that is a

[01:32:32] rollback to Lewis and Clark

[01:32:34] every time he's having his breakdowns

[01:32:36] for the many tragedies he suffered I thought

[01:32:38] that was again that's not only

[01:32:40] Ronald D. Moore and David Ike signature

[01:32:42] but it was also cool he's like

[01:32:44] yeah he's an old school guy get your hands dirty

[01:32:46] figure he's a gear head

[01:32:48] figure out how it works

[01:32:50] instead of just what do you got for me

[01:32:52] well make it so you know yeah he's not

[01:32:54] yeah he's not the

[01:32:56] ungrateful captain

[01:32:58] who orders the doctor or scientist

[01:33:00] around like he legit

[01:33:02] wants to know how it works like

[01:33:04] many times he talks to

[01:33:06] Boomer

[01:33:08] who we later find out is Athena

[01:33:10] you know he's like

[01:33:12] I trust you I don't respect you because

[01:33:14] your machine it's nothing personal

[01:33:16] since you're still wearing

[01:33:18] that armor I'm going to give you a chance

[01:33:20] you're part of the fleet as far as I'm concerned

[01:33:22] it it has

[01:33:24] so many illusions it's like when you see

[01:33:26] a kind of like a conservative pastor

[01:33:28] who says to his son hey I don't

[01:33:30] agree with your sexuality preference

[01:33:32] but you're still my son you know it was a weird

[01:33:34] kind of acknowledgement

[01:33:36] I am prejudice but I

[01:33:38] will tolerate you you know

[01:33:40] it's weird seeing that

[01:33:42] dilemma and it's like I see but

[01:33:44] I think again like you guys have already hit the nail on the head

[01:33:46] is like this is not

[01:33:48] your uncle's

[01:33:50] killer robot show it is not

[01:33:52] and

[01:33:54] deeper than space above and beyond

[01:33:56] and even captain power at showing

[01:33:58] a future space force it's not just

[01:34:00] we got a cool cosplay

[01:34:02] I mean captain

[01:34:04] McCart never told Ryker that if you don't leave the room

[01:34:06] you'll be dead I mean after what happened

[01:34:08] starbucks said I didn't

[01:34:10] zackton pass basic

[01:34:12] flight and I passed him anyway

[01:34:14] order is like by the way

[01:34:16] you know this is off the record

[01:34:18] you're gonna be my spy and you're gonna kill admiral

[01:34:20] kane if she does oh god yes

[01:34:22] I forgot about that how do you that's the beginning

[01:34:24] of season two how do you begin a season that way

[01:34:26] and how and

[01:34:28] I think this was the start this was when we were getting

[01:34:30] more people we get addicted to a show

[01:34:32] while at the same time we're breaking a sweat

[01:34:34] and like I feel very

[01:34:36] uneasy

[01:34:38] I don't know

[01:34:40] who's side I'm on

[01:34:42] this

[01:34:44] came really that bad oh

[01:34:46] she's pretty bad yeah

[01:34:48] and when I find out more about her

[01:34:50] I think yeah everyone should watch that razor thing

[01:34:52] and you know kudos because Michelle

[01:34:54] for again someone who has

[01:34:56] worn so many hats

[01:34:58] been everything escape from LA new Amsterdam

[01:35:00] is like true blood

[01:35:02] true blood there you go yeah one of the gypsies

[01:35:04] right now she's like the

[01:35:06] not

[01:35:08] yeah it's one of the

[01:35:10] not gatekeepers just one of the overseers yeah

[01:35:14] and yeah it is like

[01:35:16] for someone who has been so many personas

[01:35:18] then somebody gets by they're like yeah

[01:35:20] that that could not have been an easy role to do

[01:35:22] because when you're

[01:35:24] and I think much like tea you know

[01:35:26] we shouldn't like her but we have to understand

[01:35:30] why they are such fearmongers why they

[01:35:32] are such

[01:35:34] all about their power and they'll abuse it if

[01:35:36] they that keeps them in power it's

[01:35:38] and I think that was a good

[01:35:40] segue before we got to

[01:35:42] Zarek being a

[01:35:44] tyrant and saying you know

[01:35:46] guess what

[01:35:48] this what remains of our

[01:35:50] constitution applies but not to me

[01:35:52] I'm going to kill

[01:35:54] entire staff if they disagree with me because

[01:35:56] I'm just

[01:35:58] I'm just this impatient now I will do anything

[01:36:00] yeah the show

[01:36:02] it did it show and we'll do more is

[01:36:04] you know

[01:36:06] kind of an interesting character and who we brought out and it's like a guy

[01:36:08] restored for Star Trek

[01:36:10] right I've never seen an interview with him

[01:36:12] he was like oh yeah

[01:36:14] this dude

[01:36:16] he's just so down to earth he's not like one of those writers where

[01:36:18] he talks real fast or anything he's like

[01:36:20] yeah no I

[01:36:22] I get you dude

[01:36:24] and yet

[01:36:26] he wrote this coming off of Star Trek

[01:36:28] and that's what's shocking about it because like the characters are so

[01:36:30] different and flushed out

[01:36:32] and they change

[01:36:34] and that's not just

[01:36:36] both they evolve I mean Rosalind

[01:36:38] is a really interesting character and the actress

[01:36:40] or playdor I'd only seen her in dances with wolves

[01:36:42] I'm from Oklahoma originally that's

[01:36:44] required watching

[01:36:46] but it's a

[01:36:48] her name was like walks with a fist

[01:36:50] stands for the fist

[01:36:52] dance with a fist

[01:36:54] you'll really like her on that continuation of the closer

[01:36:56] major crimes

[01:36:58] it's oh yeah I heard she was

[01:37:00] good mixture of action mystery and crime

[01:37:02] it was one of those it was good at keeping you in suspense

[01:37:04] even though you already know who the killer

[01:37:06] or bad guy is

[01:37:08] you now have those last 20 minutes

[01:37:10] why did they do it they did

[01:37:12] and she was interesting because he's like

[01:37:14] on that role

[01:37:16] which she totally got because of Battlestar

[01:37:18] he's like hey you can carry a cable show

[01:37:20] she's the bureaucrat

[01:37:22] she talks her softly but the minute you stop

[01:37:24] listening she starts raising

[01:37:26] her voice

[01:37:28] you will listen

[01:37:30] you hear yeah same kind of deal here she is

[01:37:32] very

[01:37:34] reserved

[01:37:36] but the minute you are not

[01:37:38] back and forth arguing

[01:37:40] she's going to put her foot down and say

[01:37:42] listen up

[01:37:44] yeah and she's a woman that

[01:37:46] an actress that pulled off

[01:37:48] a lot of roles and even suffering

[01:37:50] with cancer and I don't know what her personal

[01:37:52] experience was where she dove

[01:37:54] from that

[01:37:56] it would be so hard to do

[01:37:58] yeah and the guy plays

[01:38:00] Baltar is probably my favorite to watch

[01:38:02] oh yeah lose your hair

[01:38:04] I mean

[01:38:06] she was wearing a wig toward the end at the one

[01:38:08] point and then the scene where she dies

[01:38:10] on earth spoiler with

[01:38:12] Adama there in Africa was

[01:38:14] I don't know

[01:38:16] we're kind of talking about moments that really made us

[01:38:18] you know I have to say

[01:38:20] oh yeah the cabanee builder

[01:38:22] I still think the rescue

[01:38:24] of the Galactica when I thought the Galactica was over

[01:38:26] I thought it's going to be a battle star

[01:38:28] Pegasus and the Pegasus comes in

[01:38:30] and it just wrecks everything I was like

[01:38:32] oh slow down make it

[01:38:34] slower you know when you're just sitting there

[01:38:36] watching what the colonial feet

[01:38:38] built and this battle star comes in

[01:38:40] and destroys it and rescues

[01:38:42] this and you know the Galactica is falling

[01:38:44] apart he goes and Adama looks

[01:38:46] everything goes it's been an honor and I was

[01:38:48] like uh oh

[01:38:50] uh oh we're about to lose everyone

[01:38:52] and the show is about to get real the blood is everywhere

[01:38:54] and then the Pegasus comes in

[01:38:56] and it's still one of the greatest moments

[01:38:58] and I know it's cheesy sick because it's the moment

[01:39:00] every if you watch the youtube comments on the video

[01:39:02] it's they're hilarious

[01:39:04] but to me

[01:39:06] oh yeah and I always thought

[01:39:08] the Pegasus itself from a technical span point is

[01:39:10] really interesting versus the Galactica when they're built

[01:39:12] how they're built that's geeking out

[01:39:14] that was a good point they made

[01:39:16] them stand out so it wasn't very much

[01:39:18] which one's getting demolished

[01:39:20] I mean

[01:39:22] it made sense make it be the biggest one

[01:39:24] in the fleet and

[01:39:26] I think that's what I dug about the main

[01:39:28] leader you know and then you cast

[01:39:30] Dean Stockwell a man who's you know

[01:39:32] fondly bare force one and

[01:39:34] so creepy

[01:39:36] but yeah he

[01:39:38] he's a mixture of a mad scientist mixed

[01:39:40] in with

[01:39:42] like I loved how they just kind of showed

[01:39:44] how insecure he was he's like I don't

[01:39:46] know what to do once I've killed everybody

[01:39:48] and then the fact that

[01:39:50] he realizes I can't have it all and I see

[01:39:52] a lot of people who have a dispute with that

[01:39:54] they thought it was lame that he committed suicide

[01:39:56] that made sense to me

[01:39:58] I think you watched the plan beforehand because he's like

[01:40:00] hey he

[01:40:02] again he has no game plan

[01:40:04] he

[01:40:06] for lack of better words he is a Leroy Jenkins when how

[01:40:08] he has approached this

[01:40:10] and edifice rex let's not forget that part

[01:40:12] edifice rex that is a good

[01:40:14] I don't want to go any more than that I'm still

[01:40:16] that made sense too

[01:40:18] one way kind of guy

[01:40:20] he knows

[01:40:22] how to get a goal

[01:40:24] or no he doesn't know how to get a goal

[01:40:26] but that's all he wants he wants the goal

[01:40:28] he wants

[01:40:30] he wants to use call it a Gingis

[01:40:32] like a Mongol king

[01:40:34] well you can make a Gingis

[01:40:36] person if you want

[01:40:38] yeah he's a tyrant

[01:40:40] but

[01:40:42] it's like

[01:40:44] he's also

[01:40:46] slowly coming off at the seams

[01:40:48] he's no different than the various spaceships

[01:40:50] he's on

[01:40:52] the minute it stops working

[01:40:54] he just freezes his emotion and is like

[01:40:56] I don't know what to do I need a game plan

[01:40:58] I need an exit strategy

[01:41:00] I think that's really interesting

[01:41:02] you bring up the bow star development

[01:41:04] as coming from someone who studies a lot

[01:41:06] about stars

[01:41:08] you have done a great job

[01:41:10] looking at the trading cards

[01:41:12] various reps and I've been the same thing

[01:41:14] I always want to know about the armor and compliments

[01:41:16] yeah

[01:41:18] I love versus stuff

[01:41:20] but it's such

[01:41:22] a weird take on a ship

[01:41:24] and then the humanoid

[01:41:26] shipship and her talks

[01:41:28] it's really incredible

[01:41:30] some of the stuff in that

[01:41:32] I want so much

[01:41:34] to interview some of the people that worked on the production design

[01:41:36] I think you can get a bunch of them

[01:41:38] I would love to do

[01:41:40] probably the unsung guy

[01:41:42] I was able to interview Hilo

[01:41:44] oh he was so good

[01:41:46] Athena and he is

[01:41:48] out of all those unnamed Canadian guys

[01:41:50] like anytime I would see him in a movie

[01:41:52] or show I'm like

[01:41:54] I know that guy he's on Battlestar

[01:41:56] yeah his chin and jaw should have been its own

[01:41:58] there you go

[01:42:00] Bruce Campbell there you go

[01:42:02] but him and the Lieutenant Gada

[01:42:04] they both show up

[01:42:06] in Man of Steel

[01:42:08] it's like a weird moment

[01:42:10] when we were playing scene together

[01:42:12] I thought the same thing

[01:42:14] when I saw it I was like

[01:42:16] in the Battlestar verse

[01:42:18] and I've seen him play so many

[01:42:20] relentless bad guys

[01:42:22] everything the continuum

[01:42:24] show taking show

[01:42:26] anytime he shows up

[01:42:28] I think you can actually do

[01:42:30] I'll never forget he pulled that scene off

[01:42:32] we had to shoot his own wife to get her to go back

[01:42:34] and rescue their daughter

[01:42:36] God that was wrenching I watched that scene

[01:42:38] I was like

[01:42:40] and he did that I was like oh my God

[01:42:42] and then she doesn't want to talk to him

[01:42:44] for good reason she's like you thought that was me

[01:42:46] when do I ever act like that

[01:42:48] and

[01:42:50] I love how it kind of just

[01:42:52] again this feels like an espionage

[01:42:54] show half the time just showing people who

[01:42:56] I mean homeland

[01:42:58] I think does a similar good take on this

[01:43:00] is like just showing the toll

[01:43:02] on an operative

[01:43:04] and

[01:43:06] I think that's why it

[01:43:08] rings so true to so many people like

[01:43:10] you're not worried about the various plot

[01:43:12] to as people want to talk about the different

[01:43:14] how it shows the quarters and like you said

[01:43:16] Gio was talking

[01:43:18] about the art direction like it does

[01:43:20] so good at just making you

[01:43:22] feel like you're in this scene with the character

[01:43:24] instead of just oh that was a cool

[01:43:26] camera shot you know

[01:43:28] well they wanted to bring up that you mentioned

[01:43:30] and I it's something about Blade Runner that I don't

[01:43:32] think the Blade Runner itself maybe

[01:43:34] 2049 did but

[01:43:36] Bouser borrowed it and did so good

[01:43:38] was the paranoia

[01:43:40] of Replicant

[01:43:42] who's not in this

[01:43:44] exactly not an option

[01:43:46] and I know it returns almost as like okay

[01:43:48] you know

[01:43:50] many Easter eggs in the can we're going to use the same gun

[01:43:52] even the blaster the original

[01:43:54] it's a skin job

[01:43:56] the skin job I was like oh my god

[01:43:58] and I saw

[01:44:00] the blue right like in old letters

[01:44:02] it says colonial Marines dispatch

[01:44:04] like so they

[01:44:06] they embrace the way when you turned to

[01:44:08] a Valverde

[01:44:09] Chris they borrowed the same tactical vest

[01:44:11] from

[01:44:13] SG-1 in Atlantis because I was like oh I know where you got that from

[01:44:16] you know

[01:44:18] yeah the good old Canadian they got the 5.7's and they had to get rid of

[01:44:20] the P90s

[01:44:22] because Stargate

[01:44:24] Atlantis was using them and I was like okay we need

[01:44:26] that's why they had to get the Beretta CX-4 9mm

[01:44:28] they stole Mike the pod instead

[01:44:30] yeah then they got the

[01:44:32] one of the other actors

[01:44:34] but same deal here

[01:44:36] anytime you see a crossover with some of these actors

[01:44:38] I do like how they're not playing the exact same kind of heavy

[01:44:40] like

[01:44:42] some of them are playing Grun some of them are also just playing

[01:44:44] you know

[01:44:46] Hardy Har Har guys

[01:44:48] but man if there's anything they mastered was the

[01:44:50] holy shit look I mean Travis was talking about

[01:44:52] earlier what's the best holy shit moment but like

[01:44:54] everybody's so good at this that

[01:44:56] instead of just looking intense

[01:44:58] the whole

[01:45:00] I am so fearful of what's about to

[01:45:02] happen and I got a hold it together just

[01:45:04] so no one else you know tries to discharge

[01:45:06] me

[01:45:08] and take over command

[01:45:10] yeah I was just

[01:45:12] I was surprised the first time I watched it

[01:45:14] I was like oh this is what if replicants

[01:45:16] and all this

[01:45:18] kind of happened there's no void contest

[01:45:20] and you know Boltz or Dr. Heisman

[01:45:22] because he's a silent detector

[01:45:24] that was a very interesting supply

[01:45:26] oh yes and then he's nukes and there goes

[01:45:28] and he's so paranoid and then he realizes

[01:45:30] oh but this incriminates me too

[01:45:32] now I gotta dispatch this is like

[01:45:34] well yeah

[01:45:36] I love them

[01:45:38] you can have both yeah Baltar is great

[01:45:40] he's always is and I see so many people

[01:45:42] doing the whole I love them I hate them it's like

[01:45:44] here's the thing he

[01:45:46] he starts off as a lost cause

[01:45:48] and then he

[01:45:50] it's so funny how he finds all these other

[01:45:52] followers he never expected to follow them

[01:45:54] they are the only ones keeping him up

[01:45:56] so yeah he is an interesting tragedy

[01:45:58] I would give the Oatipus Rex award to him

[01:46:00] like he is

[01:46:02] yeah he you have to

[01:46:04] it kind of makes you think of all the infamous

[01:46:06] billionaires and sports stars who get

[01:46:08] kicked off a Twitter and everything get canceled

[01:46:10] and everything same kind of deal like

[01:46:12] when I see a D-list movie actor who says

[01:46:14] a comment that's clearly out of jealousy

[01:46:16] is like yeah it's the same deal like

[01:46:18] I can't admit that I suck

[01:46:20] but I gotta

[01:46:22] I gotta embrace it too

[01:46:24] at the same time and

[01:46:26] then when he's actually trying to do good

[01:46:28] it's even funnier how people are like nah man

[01:46:30] so because he has been so

[01:46:32] deceptive this whole time when he is actually

[01:46:34] sincere he's not embraced

[01:46:36] and so then he has to find someone who he

[01:46:38] can take advantage of and actually do something good with it

[01:46:40] Jack Sparrow effect

[01:46:42] oh

[01:46:44] exactly

[01:46:46] oh man

[01:46:48] yeah he could be a

[01:46:50] dictator on his own planet at this point

[01:46:52] I think and

[01:46:54] what's funny is

[01:46:56] when he was on New Caprica and they pulled back

[01:46:58] and he's on colonial one he's got like a harem

[01:47:00] I was like oh okay this is what season

[01:47:02] it's gonna be okay we're here

[01:47:04] it's even funnier when he

[01:47:06] number six actually legit gets

[01:47:08] captured

[01:47:10] and he's having to actually embrace her

[01:47:12] and he's like okay you're not in my mind

[01:47:14] you're real

[01:47:16] talk about twins when they show

[01:47:18] him from number six

[01:47:20] yeah that was a cool thing

[01:47:22] what

[01:47:24] and the fact that he's

[01:47:26] in so much doubt you know

[01:47:28] it's a good allegory for brainwashing

[01:47:30] you forget who you are when you've been

[01:47:32] taking advantage of for so long I love how

[01:47:34] when he's being interrogated

[01:47:36] by those silence at first he's like

[01:47:38] you're not a sylon here let's show you

[01:47:40] like water board

[01:47:42] see if you were a sylon

[01:47:44] you wouldn't be reacting to that you'd be able to endure

[01:47:46] you know

[01:47:48] you'd be faking it

[01:47:50] yeah I think that

[01:47:52] I think that his character is one of the

[01:47:54] the most

[01:47:56] flashy

[01:47:58] additions to the whole set

[01:48:00] how do you go from Bridget Jones diary to

[01:48:02] no

[01:48:04] the scenes where he's like

[01:48:06] in this plane of reality and then

[01:48:08] poof he just jumps into another plane of

[01:48:10] reality

[01:48:12] and they do that with

[01:48:14] Adama Junior

[01:48:16] it's beautifully done

[01:48:18] and I wanted to see some of those

[01:48:20] Canadian regions

[01:48:22] where they're sunbathing

[01:48:24] they looked amazing

[01:48:26] there he came back probably

[01:48:28] the funny thing about it too

[01:48:30] is it's a beautiful way

[01:48:32] and very sophisticated

[01:48:34] for them to bring the interlogos of him

[01:48:36] right

[01:48:38] his real motives you know without having to talk

[01:48:40] totally

[01:48:42] he in his mind he is Julius Caesar

[01:48:44] kind of by the end

[01:48:46] then when they finally

[01:48:48] on earth yeah it's so funny

[01:48:50] I didn't expect to be back on here

[01:48:52] and I thought this place was gone for good

[01:48:54] again he's just like Jack Sparrow

[01:48:56] I have a jar

[01:48:58] when the sylons are using him to take over

[01:49:00] the earth

[01:49:02] in season 3

[01:49:04] I thought that was cool

[01:49:06] yeah he's a great conundrum

[01:49:08] and

[01:49:10] he wants it all

[01:49:12] he doesn't want any bloodshed

[01:49:14] but he wants to yield the results

[01:49:16] and keep taking advantage of people

[01:49:18] the story mentality tells you

[01:49:20] that a friend to all is a friend to none

[01:49:22] oh that's true

[01:49:24] his constant neutralism

[01:49:26] is like

[01:49:28] you find it to save your own ass

[01:49:30] your own species

[01:49:32] you turn your back on

[01:49:34] when you lie he buys his own BS

[01:49:36] after a while

[01:49:38] and then he shoots his

[01:49:40] AID at one point

[01:49:42] stop talking

[01:49:44] oh no

[01:49:46] I didn't expect to have actual repercussions

[01:49:48] I could use your advice

[01:49:50] don't die don't die

[01:49:52] it's not darkly comedic

[01:49:54] but it is almost the whole

[01:49:56] oh shit

[01:49:58] but then at the end he decides to become a farmer

[01:50:00] like his dad because he's from the farming calls

[01:50:02] and he starts crying

[01:50:04] and he goes I'm going to be a farmer

[01:50:06] and I had to say I cried a lot during the last episode

[01:50:08] I won't lie to y'all

[01:50:10] and I was like wow what a beautiful

[01:50:12] callback to all that

[01:50:14] and then of course the very very

[01:50:16] when they kind of occupy

[01:50:18] since I'm into embrace your humanity

[01:50:20] and like you say Teg is

[01:50:22] coming to terms with everything

[01:50:24] he's just pretty much like

[01:50:26] I'm going to just get drunk because

[01:50:28] no one wants to be around me

[01:50:30] if anything

[01:50:32] some people felt like Starbucks

[01:50:34] conclusion wasn't enough

[01:50:36] I felt like I got everything I needed

[01:50:38] she's part of the final time

[01:50:40] and somehow she got separated

[01:50:42] from the whole thing during the switcheroo

[01:50:44] but that's what happens when you're a saboteur

[01:50:46] you stumble along the way

[01:50:48] when you're coming back

[01:50:50] and if anything they did a good job

[01:50:52] with just all of them

[01:50:54] the whole Athena boomer thing

[01:50:56] this was like her first

[01:50:58] big role and she was so good

[01:51:00] at just kind of emoting

[01:51:02] is like hey you know whatever I was here for

[01:51:04] I don't want to do it anymore

[01:51:06] I'm here to kill people

[01:51:08] I don't want to do that

[01:51:10] again it is a spy show

[01:51:12] at heart it's like

[01:51:14] what I'm here to do

[01:51:16] I'm too attached to everybody

[01:51:18] it's not going to pan out

[01:51:20] I can't betray them all now

[01:51:22] I think the end of the show is really stuck with me

[01:51:24] especially currently and I've been thinking a lot about

[01:51:26] you know all this has happened again

[01:51:28] everyone else would have had a new alien race takeover

[01:51:30] or something and it wouldn't have been like

[01:51:32] what

[01:51:34] no it's a bold choice

[01:51:36] and I thought

[01:51:38] and especially when Caprica

[01:51:40] and Balthar or their

[01:51:42] angels he doesn't like when you call him that

[01:51:44] yeah

[01:51:46] fantastic

[01:51:48] nicknames and it's like when

[01:51:50] God's plan

[01:51:52] but they're walking down the street

[01:51:54] and she goes but does this happen

[01:51:56] again the law of averages

[01:51:58] and she's like

[01:52:00] I'm going to give you a little bit of discussion

[01:52:02] it's kind of giving me some hope because I've carried that

[01:52:04] phrase along with me a lot

[01:52:06] this has happened before and this happened again

[01:52:08] which phrase

[01:52:10] so when they're walking down the street in New York

[01:52:12] and they're talking about mitochondrial Eve

[01:52:14] they've got the

[01:52:16] yeah they've got the

[01:52:18] they're all gone

[01:52:20] they pull back to New York

[01:52:22] and flashback

[01:52:24] and you know Ronald D. Moore is reading

[01:52:26] do not watch this with your phone

[01:52:28] what

[01:52:30] you will be able to tell when there's a flashback

[01:52:32] but if you're not paying attention

[01:52:34] you're going to be very confused

[01:52:36] you're going to be like wait I thought they're already gone

[01:52:38] it's a flashback

[01:52:40] notice the color tense it's a little different

[01:52:42] that's your give or take

[01:52:44] yeah it's just

[01:52:46] it's something that stuck with me there are some endings

[01:52:48] some shows you don't think about

[01:52:50] but you know who shot J.R

[01:52:52] you know them

[01:52:54] and abandoning everything

[01:52:56] and then becoming our ancestors

[01:52:58] and some of their

[01:53:00] phrasyologies their concepts built the mythology

[01:53:02] that we built our entire civilization

[01:53:04] in the classical sense

[01:53:06] and I was left haunted

[01:53:08] and I don't want any more answers

[01:53:10] like I don't want to know who Starbucks is

[01:53:12] I just want it to be the way it is

[01:53:14] don't ruin it don't say anything else

[01:53:16] that's so true I just want it to be the way it is

[01:53:18] let's make it work

[01:53:20] what if that's a cool allegory to

[01:53:22] what we know as the

[01:53:24] everything this is the red scare in some ways

[01:53:26] yeah

[01:53:28] it's a great connection actually

[01:53:30] very subtly done

[01:53:32] the Americans totally tackled similar stuff like this

[01:53:34] okay we start off as Russian sleeper agents

[01:53:36] we don't want to do this shit anymore

[01:53:38] we want to be Americans

[01:53:40] and I think one of my favorite

[01:53:42] character evolutions

[01:53:44] throughout the series was

[01:53:46] Sam, Sam Anders because he goes from

[01:53:48] yes oh my god

[01:53:50] he goes sports star soldier

[01:53:52] starts off as a badass

[01:53:54] then he's just kind of

[01:53:56] Starbucks

[01:53:58] they kind of give him the mission

[01:54:00] trophy husband and then he's become a pilot for a little

[01:54:02] while I think

[01:54:04] they kind of have him be the guy who gets beat up every

[01:54:06] other episode after a while but not in a formative way

[01:54:08] once he becomes a

[01:54:10] Psylon and then

[01:54:12] his ending

[01:54:14] is my I think

[01:54:16] favorite thing about the show

[01:54:18] my favorite heroic moments

[01:54:20] jumping on the

[01:54:22] the remember when how

[01:54:24] we remember when star fuckers giving him

[01:54:26] that pep talk she's like if I find out you're one

[01:54:28] of them you're dead to me

[01:54:30] and then what a big twist

[01:54:32] she finds out oh I'm one of them too

[01:54:34] he's like I'm still here

[01:54:36] I'm still here I never left

[01:54:38] you left me but I'm here

[01:54:40] and but yeah no

[01:54:42] but he gets such a heroic ending

[01:54:44] yeah it's so great

[01:54:46] and that

[01:54:48] actor is another one much like he I

[01:54:50] see him I'm like I can true go

[01:54:52] but

[01:54:54] it is interesting you see him

[01:54:56] at first and you don't expect this

[01:54:58] intellect of war you think like you say you think

[01:55:00] oh he's the guy next door

[01:55:02] he's the football

[01:55:04] jock and then yeah

[01:55:06] it's so funny how

[01:55:08] he also plays into the hole I don't expect to be

[01:55:10] this big a badass I'm just good at using

[01:55:12] grenades and

[01:55:14] but when he in

[01:55:16] okay

[01:55:18] moment number two when he in a drama junior

[01:55:20] are having to

[01:55:22] rescue people and get off that planet before

[01:55:24] that air strike man

[01:55:26] the algae planet the algae planet

[01:55:28] no matter how many times you watch it

[01:55:30] you're expecting it to be a different

[01:55:32] outcome each time like he's going to knock

[01:55:34] it junior out and

[01:55:36] do it his way like but he respects

[01:55:38] the chain of command but at the same

[01:55:40] time he's going to tell you you're wrong

[01:55:42] and it's not to be

[01:55:44] you know it's not to win the argument is

[01:55:46] like I

[01:55:47] I politically disagree with you

[01:55:49] I

[01:55:51] I can rescue all these guys in five

[01:55:53] minutes if you let me

[01:55:55] 20 at the most

[01:55:59] but yeah no he

[01:56:01] that is true he does have a good

[01:56:03] just send off

[01:56:05] which is so wild because when he's first introduced

[01:56:07] you're almost expecting him to just again

[01:56:10] disappear into the background because there's too many characters

[01:56:13] yeah

[01:56:15] yeah no

[01:56:17] that would have actually been criminal had we gone a whole

[01:56:19] episode and not talked about him

[01:56:21] we almost did

[01:56:23] almost dead I can't believe it

[01:56:25] we haven't talked about Lucy Lawless's character but

[01:56:28] this was a good comeback for her

[01:56:30] yeah you go from Zena

[01:56:32] then you do others she's done

[01:56:34] sitcoms and everything like

[01:56:36] you know after that but I think this role made

[01:56:38] everyone take her a little more serious is like see

[01:56:40] I can do drama

[01:56:42] you know I'm on she in number six

[01:56:44] we're both on burn notice

[01:56:46] recurring villains yeah it's like yeah

[01:56:49] that this was her kind of way of just saying

[01:56:52] hey you think Baltar's in charge oh

[01:56:55] you ain't see nothing yet I'm

[01:56:57] I'm pulling as many strings too

[01:56:59] for the main silent guys and I like how she is able to turn on the main

[01:57:03] silas as well like she's the only one who can get the final word because

[01:57:07] she's just better at

[01:57:10] weighing the odds and saying no we'll be eliminated

[01:57:13] so again

[01:57:15] I mentioned first wave that was a similar show with an alien invasion and this show

[01:57:19] does just

[01:57:20] I don't know what it is about Canadian sci-fi they're able to make you take

[01:57:25] the sci-fi race just as serious as the humans

[01:57:29] and I don't think it's just the human actors doing a good job I do think

[01:57:32] they stage it so well you take it just as serious as even the computers in

[01:57:36] the background that are beeping and scanning everyone

[01:57:39] yeah

[01:57:40] and this

[01:57:41] and kudos to them choosing the documentary style I know that was the only note

[01:57:46] Ronald D. Moore gave his filmmakers like make it look like something

[01:57:49] actually happening in real time

[01:57:51] and they're like okay we're going to do a documentary style and just zoom in

[01:57:55] like a camcorder is like

[01:57:57] we're looking at something voyeuristically like we shouldn't even be seeing

[01:58:01] this but

[01:58:02] here we are

[01:58:04] it's like I can't one of them had a good

[01:58:06] line is like we were the cameraman in outer space

[01:58:09] yeah

[01:58:10] here's what it looks like if I'm on the whole of the ship and I'm seeing it

[01:58:14] get torn apart by a giant

[01:58:16] and I think that's what's even scarier in a way

[01:58:19] these silent ships aren't controlled by an actual robot

[01:58:22] it's all like one giant robot

[01:58:25] it's an or it's a living ship it's not a organism

[01:58:28] yeah

[01:58:29] and so you can't even count it

[01:58:32] I mean if you were to do a kill count for some of these guys like I

[01:58:36] yeah Sam and Starbucks rack up a good dozen kill kills and

[01:58:41] but yeah

[01:58:42] there's no point in counting any of the fighters they blow up because those are not

[01:58:46] you know like actual

[01:58:48] well think about scar and talking about fighters like when they when

[01:58:52] Starbucks recovers that one and pulls out all the guts I was like well that's different

[01:58:55] you know I was

[01:58:56] that was surprise

[01:58:57] and then there was scar that kept getting reborn and it was after them and that

[01:59:01] really fantastic episode with cat and the top gun

[01:59:05] that was they're going after the beer sign or had a good evolution to

[01:59:09] I liked how one minute she's jumping on

[01:59:13] much like Gallin and pig with you know let's

[01:59:17] let's space out silence in the next minute she's more reserved getting injured

[01:59:21] and blaming Starbucks for everything

[01:59:23] but I liked how she was just kind of

[01:59:26] if Starbucks doesn't do it she's going to do her own masculine kind of tomboy

[01:59:30] taste like oh no we're going to kick their ass

[01:59:34] and then her descent yeah

[01:59:38] her descent and then you know the sacrifices she makes I was shocked at

[01:59:43] yeah she in schools Harrison the final episode and the way

[01:59:47] that happens it totally cuts you off guard like whoa whoa whoa no

[01:59:51] that they had a game plan they said how they were going to you know enter the main

[01:59:54] salad ship and take it down it's like oh but plan B is not working either

[01:59:59] I just want someone to say ramming speed so bad when they were crashing in the

[02:00:03] colony I was like ramming speed to do your good to die I was like come on it was right there

[02:00:09] yeah they like slam into us I love Galactica so much because it was just

[02:00:14] so like it's somehow this role you know how any other movie or show you can

[02:00:18] kind of parody anything it's very hard to do any riffing during something

[02:00:23] like this is just because you take it serious

[02:00:27] you really do I am any other movie or show you can kind of joke about a line that

[02:00:33] you predicted you know five minutes earlier like I can't do it with this one

[02:00:37] I can't make fun of even a graphic shot that I might not agree with I can't

[02:00:43] I can't it's so mature so well handled

[02:00:47] you can do anything else where they weren't at their best hour or

[02:00:52] it was 5050 like this one it's given a thousand percent every outing

[02:00:57] it's really good I'll be honest there are a few times when I watch the show

[02:01:01] when they were on Capricorn they were stuck I was like this show is going to

[02:01:04] just go into a morass and that's going to be over

[02:01:08] but then it's like you're like keep waiting to go and keep waiting to go

[02:01:11] and then of course the Adama maneuver the freedom of playing

[02:01:15] not the Kobe Ashimuru the Adama

[02:01:18] the thing falling I'm like well you wouldn't see this on Star Trek would you

[02:01:23] and then all of a sudden it works out uses Athena like is like we're going to

[02:01:27] have you hack into this show and if you don't do it about that I'm going to

[02:01:31] shoot you on this deck and I love how everybody's in there they're like

[02:01:34] they're already insecure about having a Cylon on the same deck as where

[02:01:38] they're operating everything and never forget when she shot him on the

[02:01:42] on the right and so this is kind of his payback is like

[02:01:46] okay nothing personal but I am going to kill you

[02:01:50] because you try to kill me and I need I'm making a simple

[02:01:54] request hack into their infrastructure demolish them

[02:01:58] so we can get out of here I remember

[02:02:02] it's just balls it is like oh yeah I you know

[02:02:06] I thought he's not the kind of guy he doesn't want you even just in a jail

[02:02:10] cell and when he's in a jail cell and unlike

[02:02:14] anyone else where they're just you know playing dead or waiting for a guard to

[02:02:18] get too close so we can knock you out like I love how

[02:02:22] during the game he goes for the first week our

[02:02:26] caps him takes his machine gun and then says here's what we're going to do

[02:02:30] gents is like it's a cool again maneuver as

[02:02:34] opposed to all these other guys who just get lucky because they're the hero

[02:02:38] he's he is instantly like where's the nearest

[02:02:42] weapon or who's the you know not the

[02:02:46] sharpest tool in the shed I know you because I trained you myself you're not that great

[02:02:50] at thinking and and I need to get my future wife the president

[02:02:54] out of here you know I love it he is all

[02:02:58] he is just as good as the sirens at surveying everything

[02:03:02] in there yeah he is and

[02:03:06] instead of just I you know I've got bigger stones than you and yeah no it's not

[02:03:10] it's not about might it's a it's a mind game to him just as much

[02:03:14] as all the killer bots on this show

[02:03:18] yeah it's uh this has been such a delight

[02:03:22] all because I think I just I saw the light bulbs

[02:03:26] just kind of coming on oh yeah remember that

[02:03:30] um when anyone care to promote what they got coming up

[02:03:34] uh Travis you know you got no shortage man and I have learned

[02:03:38] so much from galgolf 13 and some of the other anime

[02:03:42] adaptations that I forgot were anime adaptations it was like

[02:03:46] yeah that was a man go wasn't it you know

[02:03:50] again anyone who doesn't check it out real comic heroes he's got the epic

[02:03:54] voiceover and awesome Kevin the cloud music every time but he really does

[02:03:58] if you want a cool breakdown of all your favorite comic

[02:04:02] adaptations and why they still resonate and with he's got the perfect

[02:04:06] amount of wit and humor mixed in with

[02:04:10] the psychology of these badasses I'll let you say more

[02:04:14] well thank you for that build up uh now

[02:04:18] yeah I do real comic heroes we review comic book movies

[02:04:22] and then I'm also doing a movies by minutes podcast

[02:04:26] which we such a good collective still a thing guys still a thing

[02:04:30] yeah I'm going through every minute of Robin Hood Prince of Thieves

[02:04:34] over a minute of feet

[02:04:38] he's like hello tell me more and once upon a time I did

[02:04:42] uh Watchmen minute and reviewed all 186 minutes of

[02:04:48] Zack Snyder's Watchmen nice so

[02:04:52] so you had you had experience prior to it and yeah

[02:04:56] I love nice oh jeal's geeking out he's got the

[02:05:00] best trade paperbacks on there down the logo

[02:05:04] yeah no and it's not easy you know I have

[02:05:08] guest start on minute podcast it's the same kind of thing where yeah you gotta be able

[02:05:12] to watch the scene multiple times like what did I learn from this

[02:05:16] what is the foreshadow of stuff contained within a single minute of

[02:05:20] stuff that doesn't mean anything on the first and watches that actually

[02:05:24] something now no it's gonna be a lot of fun

[02:05:28] I can't wait for the outcome

[02:05:32] as an disclaimer guys it is the theatrical cut not the director's cut

[02:05:36] so yeah if you want to watch along with the extra scenes of Christian Slater being a

[02:05:40] jock you can do that but this is not we're going into the raw

[02:05:44] nitty and gritty with Alan Rickman fun fact Alan

[02:05:48] Morgan Freeman got appreciated by the Republic of Islam

[02:05:52] for his portrayal

[02:05:56] as that warrior that's interesting even made an action figure

[02:06:00] of him in the cast so pretty intense for a one shot

[02:06:04] movie you don't really see that with as many blockbusters like

[02:06:08] unless it's like a giant franchise where they make toys of every character

[02:06:12] well you know they repurposed the Ewok village right yeah for that thing

[02:06:16] isn't it really? yeah it's the England sets on Pinewood

[02:06:20] no the toys the toy

[02:06:24] oh the toys oh the Kennery the Endor village became the

[02:06:28] the Sherwood forest play set

[02:06:32] and Friar Tuck was a Gamori in guard

[02:06:36] oh sweet oh my god I know that Retro Blasting did

[02:06:40] that they did a comparison between the two and Retro Blasting did that

[02:06:44] fun fact the Friars you remember the actor who plays them

[02:06:48] yeah Michael McShane from the British who's line

[02:06:52] I remember when I first saw that I'm like I know that guy

[02:06:56] well that's why he was on the show because or on the movie because

[02:07:00] he was in England doing who's line and he was just looking for

[02:07:04] extra work something and they were casting in England

[02:07:08] pivotal moment he was already over there so

[02:07:12] makes sense man all right Robert

[02:07:16] what epic stuff do you got? well we

[02:07:20] for all of you other who have actually always busy

[02:07:24] always got something big we have taken a break

[02:07:28] a little bit briefly we are coming back on

[02:07:32] March 2nd so we have great things coming up

[02:07:36] in the pipes sweet sweet

[02:07:40] and any hint at what kind of sci-fi will be explored or

[02:07:44] well you know only for this show and this is something that we

[02:07:48] don't do I never tell what is

[02:07:52] coming up next that's like a big secret

[02:07:56] but we give hints we give hints we give him but for this

[02:08:00] involve a ring

[02:08:04] I'm going to tell you that we are reviewing the

[02:08:08] foreign movie called Cyber Shee that was the very first

[02:08:12] movie that would be released on March 2nd

[02:08:16] Cyber Shee and it is a Japanese film

[02:08:20] when you watch it it feels like you're watching anime

[02:08:24] what's it called? Cyber Shee?

[02:08:28] Cyber Shee

[02:08:32] like sheet as in sheet of paper

[02:08:36] like she is you know she's hot

[02:08:40] she okay got it

[02:08:44] great film

[02:08:48] I didn't know Geo I honestly went in there

[02:08:52] thinking that Geo was going to bash it

[02:08:56] it's good

[02:09:00] 2008, wow okay

[02:09:05] a lowland university student develops a romance with an interesting woman who turns out to be a cyborg from the

[02:09:09] future

[02:09:13] come with me if you want to live

[02:09:17] no one has been here since this whole time

[02:09:21] I couldn't believe it

[02:09:25] there you go that's right

[02:09:29] there's a Terminator

[02:09:33] I'm going to go back on that film too

[02:09:37] really? time travel

[02:09:41] they went hard on landing with one fist

[02:09:45] you know how the Terminator comes back from the future

[02:09:49] it's like crouch, the one fist, the floor

[02:09:53] the lightning ball and all that stuff

[02:09:57] exactly how she comes back from the future

[02:10:01] I'm scared of movies

[02:10:05] really good film I recommend it

[02:10:09] okay cool

[02:10:13] okay Billy what have we got for future war stories blog

[02:10:17] so I'm still working on my first podcast

[02:10:21] I have five in the pipe I'm still editing

[02:10:25] they're basically yeah they're going to be I need a better voice

[02:10:29] so I've been telling you guys you're going to read for me because I can't read your script it's got too many typos

[02:10:33] and I'm like okay

[02:10:37] at least you're critical you know what you want

[02:10:41] you just gotta figure out how you want to say it

[02:10:45] still doing our, I recently deleted all the social media

[02:10:49] but I'm you know future war stories is still around

[02:10:53] I recently did a broken promises series on Star Trek Enterprise

[02:10:57] what would have been season 5, 6 and 7

[02:11:01] predictions of a future show nice

[02:11:05] it's always fun to do that with any show

[02:11:09] exactly and Connor Trenier and Dominic Keating had a podcast called the

[02:11:13] Shuttlepaw Show which is really good and I've been listening to that and I got enough

[02:11:17] information I'm also doing one on the mark 23

[02:11:21] I have my schedule right up here

[02:11:25] I have to research I've got piles of books over here

[02:11:29] I'm also doing the mark 23

[02:11:33] H&K 45 handgun that was developed I'm doing a guns for the future

[02:11:37] diving into the weapons program that actually developed it

[02:11:41] doing military drugs too

[02:11:45] part of the article where Q plays the future soldier from the post atomic

[02:11:49] core I dove into that example but the article is huge

[02:11:53] about military drugs it's fascinating especially war 2 everyone was high

[02:11:57] you were always really good at taking screen shots

[02:12:01] and to have it illustrate your points

[02:12:05] I love that and Trek core is so phenomenal for getting even

[02:12:09] little moments I have screensavers built from them oh man all those

[02:12:13] Blu-ray websites I'm like man how much RAM and

[02:12:17] terabytes that they need to get such great resolution

[02:12:21] it's nothing to us it's like 20 megabytes on our machine but we're like

[02:12:25] man how'd they do that

[02:12:29] and what's funny the last one I'm going to be doing that I'm working on is a throwback to

[02:12:33] an 80s I also do toys but not

[02:12:37] military science fiction toys I did I'm doing one right now on

[02:12:41] researching star com the US space force that came out in 87 went through

[02:12:45] mine and then I'm going to talk about general the

[02:12:49] wolf brigade anime

[02:12:53] I wanna do that for years

[02:13:01] don't do like a few followers and that's like

[02:13:05] They're all dressed up like samurai with Nazi.

[02:13:09] Oh, yeah. And the movie is really different.

[02:13:13] Yeah, really weird.

[02:13:14] And I and I it like kind of like it was in my brain, like, especially

[02:13:20] when it was on stars a lot.

[02:13:21] It was like perfect nightmare.

[02:13:23] Oh, yeah. You're like this is a shooting, you know, but it's a different kind of thing.

[02:13:26] And like, yeah, at least no one's going, oh, you know,

[02:13:30] canada over and over again.

[02:13:32] So that's a drinking game, Wayne happened.

[02:13:35] But the Giron is interesting and I've been wanting to talk about it for years

[02:13:39] and then been at the stage and a couple of other people have kind of hit a park

[02:13:42] with anime abandoned.

[02:13:43] And I was like, I need to do something kind of different with that.

[02:13:46] But anyway, that's why I got coming up.

[02:13:48] It's all these articles and just doing research and trying to get y'all.

[02:13:51] You guys are always busy.

[02:13:53] Yes. Thank you forever.

[02:13:55] Put that in the comment.

[02:13:55] Yeah. Future war stories.

[02:13:57] Yes.

[02:13:57] Thanks to my wife for actually picking that one out of the dozen examples.

[02:14:01] I was like, I got this much because that one sounds good.

[02:14:03] So since 2010 we've been doing that eventually if I was prettier,

[02:14:07] I would do a video cast, but I'm not pretty so I can't do that anyway.

[02:14:12] And I and I eventually am going to do a colonial military of the Balsar

[02:14:16] Galactica, the new one in the old one.

[02:14:17] I eventually going to do a military profile and compare and contrast

[02:14:20] between the two if I can ever.

[02:14:22] My travel is so good at the inner thoughts, you know, you are good at

[02:14:27] and much like remnants here are good at the sci-fi.

[02:14:30] You know, you are good at just kind of the the essence and is like,

[02:14:33] what? What does it mean?

[02:14:35] Scotty fans.

[02:14:36] Yeah, you are.

[02:14:37] You I love a good technical man.

[02:14:39] All the particles of the being together is like, oh, let's break this down

[02:14:43] for a minute. Here's what's on the record by the crater.

[02:14:45] Here's what you know.

[02:14:46] There we go.

[02:14:47] We're going to get by the way that technical manual I got for Christmas.

[02:14:51] And I spent my my grandkids.

[02:14:54] Oh, that one is so divine.

[02:14:55] Who that is where I'm not a nerd.

[02:14:57] Oh, I'm not a nerd.

[02:14:58] I'm a nerd.

[02:14:59] Hey, my favorite technical manual is the Colonial Marines

[02:15:01] technical manual that was came out of that.

[02:15:04] It is.

[02:15:06] Oh, my God.

[02:15:07] Let me find it.

[02:15:07] Let me find it.

[02:15:10] Oh, here it is.

[02:15:11] See what I just opened up.

[02:15:14] It's easy if the camera will pick it up.

[02:15:17] I'm going to turn off my background.

[02:15:18] Hang on a second.

[02:15:18] You get somebody else.

[02:15:19] I'll turn off my background.

[02:15:20] You can you like that one?

[02:15:23] Oh, I do.

[02:15:23] I have.

[02:15:24] Oh, that's so beautiful.

[02:15:27] Was there ever one of Battlestar?

[02:15:29] Yes, there's an unofficial one.

[02:15:31] Okay, so aliens, Chloe technical.

[02:15:34] Oh, there's the author and everything the miniguns.

[02:15:39] The this is the astonishing piece like everything in here.

[02:15:44] This is a Bible and I bought this in 96 and it is my prize

[02:15:48] position.

[02:15:48] Oh, look at that.

[02:15:49] Which that one I didn't see it.

[02:15:52] That is actually D&D for Star Trek.

[02:15:55] Oh, look at that.

[02:15:57] Yeah, real plane.

[02:16:00] I still have my copy of my Faja or have you pronounce them

[02:16:03] the Chicago company that made all the early ones.

[02:16:06] I still have my game modules and all that stuff over there

[02:16:10] for when we used to play tactical, you know, the tactical

[02:16:12] stuff that came around Star Trek 2 and 3.

[02:16:14] But yeah, Star Trek technical manuals, especially when you

[02:16:17] held up is astonishing in the little things on the bottom

[02:16:19] they talk about.

[02:16:20] And I got the word chunky salsa from that.

[02:16:22] Something that not even a comic could sum up, but it is always

[02:16:26] fun to every once in a while read a comic and they'll

[02:16:28] sometimes answer pivotal moments.

[02:16:30] You're like, perfect.

[02:16:32] That's how many you know, that's what happened that one

[02:16:34] tragic night and that character's right or if I would

[02:16:37] need to find the bathroom on the bridge of the Enterprise

[02:16:39] D. I know where to go.

[02:16:40] There you go.

[02:16:41] Right where being a fan theory now they've worked in

[02:16:44] right there in the blue prints.

[02:16:46] Anyway, that was awesome.

[02:16:48] Absolutely.

[02:16:49] You never read daily.

[02:16:51] Yes.

[02:16:51] Thank you so much for having me on.

[02:16:52] Sorry.

[02:16:53] No, no, it's fine.

[02:16:54] And it is fun seeing some crossover in this.

[02:16:57] You know, we all want to do something just fun and

[02:16:59] positive instead of just see dumb click bait.

[02:17:03] You know, I've lost track of how many times screen rent

[02:17:05] does a whole roof.

[02:17:06] This might be in the same universe as this.

[02:17:08] I'm like, guys, you are citing a parody.

[02:17:11] Come on.

[02:17:13] How how how much attention do you really need?

[02:17:16] You know, I'm still tired of these sites is like, hey,

[02:17:19] click on me.

[02:17:19] Click on me.

[02:17:20] I know you're going to click on me.

[02:17:22] Even if I'm 41 right, the M 41 pulse rifle is in

[02:17:26] bubblegum crisis.

[02:17:27] Okay.

[02:17:27] So are the bubblegum crisis and alien and aliens

[02:17:30] connected?

[02:17:31] Sorry.

[02:17:32] You're right.

[02:17:32] Something like that.

[02:17:33] There was one I think is like the proof that these

[02:17:36] characters are now part of the Marvel Universe.

[02:17:37] I'm like God is like someone's dressed up as a

[02:17:41] Transformers for like that Guardians Holiday special

[02:17:43] like seriously.

[02:17:45] Everyone's Kevin Bacon people.

[02:17:47] Yeah.

[02:17:48] There's three shells in Galactica.

[02:17:51] There you go.

[02:17:52] Free seashells.

[02:17:53] Oh my God.

[02:17:54] Yeah, we got a tie in demolition.

[02:17:56] Yeah.

[02:17:57] And isn't it funny when Stallone explained what they

[02:18:00] would have done and is like, yeah, now you just

[02:18:03] created holes in that joke.

[02:18:04] Just no, leave it to the imagination.

[02:18:06] You know, it's just so funny how somebody just

[02:18:09] like we're having actors who are too close to their

[02:18:11] roles and people are overreacting is like, well,

[02:18:14] they didn't say you couldn't enjoy it.

[02:18:15] They just said they don't get anything out of it

[02:18:16] because they did the work.

[02:18:18] Like, so I'm going to deal here is like, it's like,

[02:18:21] it's just let's take a step back.

[02:18:23] Let's keep that a little more less in your face.

[02:18:26] So it lands.

[02:18:29] Sometimes there still needs to be mystery behind

[02:18:31] Mona Lisa smiles, right?

[02:18:32] Oh, I want to know my word.

[02:18:34] I don't need to know what she's smiling about.

[02:18:36] She is smiling.

[02:18:37] What is that Van Gogh painting really screaming about?

[02:18:39] Yeah.

[02:18:40] My, uh, oh no, that's I know what that is.

[02:18:43] That's my college tuition bill.

[02:18:44] You know, that's my student debt.

[02:18:47] That's what it's screaming about the price of how much

[02:18:49] it costs to have a pool.

[02:18:50] By the way, no one ever get a pool.

[02:18:51] I have one.

[02:18:51] Don't ever get one.

[02:18:52] They suck.

[02:18:56] Seconded just use the fitness.

[02:19:01] They compare they compare pools to like having a boat.

[02:19:04] You know, was there only two happy days?

[02:19:05] A person has a boat when they buy it and when they sell it.

[02:19:10] Oh,

[02:19:12] the man brother.

[02:19:14] The way that sounded like a Charlie Sheen ism.

[02:19:17] Yeah, I mean, I tell you to go away.

[02:19:20] This just happened.

[02:19:21] I was I was in the middle of the move house hunting

[02:19:23] and my roommate was like pool and I was like, no.

[02:19:26] And then basically when you don't have a pool, you want

[02:19:28] to use it, but when you have any back, the one we have

[02:19:30] ever, ever use it, we have expense and maintenance.

[02:19:34] It is expensive.

[02:19:35] It is.

[02:19:36] And it is funny.

[02:19:37] You can hire.

[02:19:38] We've hired about six different people to look.

[02:19:40] Why are there cracks and dents on the bottom of the pool?

[02:19:43] There is no answer other than your house is very old.

[02:19:47] And I think we I loved how we gave the doctor on this

[02:19:51] show a spotlight, but I think that is just it.

[02:19:54] We we somehow expect superhumans half the time.

[02:19:58] We expect people to just give us my goods and it's like,

[02:20:02] well, your guess is as good as theirs.

[02:20:05] You know, it's just just value input, but be prepared

[02:20:09] for like five other takes on something, you know, before

[02:20:12] you have a breakdown on it, you know, and just sum it up.

[02:20:15] And I love doing these different chats with you guys

[02:20:18] because I feel like we get to the end of the maze.

[02:20:20] We we get rid of all this ambiguity that people like

[02:20:25] to pile up.

[02:20:26] We'd like to like to make sense of it all.

[02:20:30] I just speaking that I want to share this last thing.

[02:20:34] I don't want them to redo.

[02:20:35] I kind of like bow star in some ways not to be

[02:20:38] redone or do anything with it.

[02:20:39] I kind of like it just the way it is.

[02:20:41] I think good because I think because Brian singers company

[02:20:46] was producing it and he got, you know, removed from Hollywood.

[02:20:50] I don't think kind of like how so many projects we're

[02:20:54] seeing a trend now where if some new VP comes in, they

[02:20:59] don't want anything to do with the last establishment.

[02:21:01] They want to leave their own print on it.

[02:21:02] And I think generally stuff that's on shelves for a while.

[02:21:06] They kind of just let it go unless it's something like

[02:21:08] Masters of the Universe where someone always wants to do

[02:21:10] their own take.

[02:21:11] So I you know, I don't know who would even have the guts

[02:21:15] in this day and age.

[02:21:16] It just seems like everyone's more keen on we want you

[02:21:19] to do a monster movie.

[02:21:20] We want you to do a freaky film for like five million

[02:21:25] or we want you to jump on the pre-established space opera.

[02:21:28] You know, praise.

[02:21:29] I think if they ever did a remake of any kind, I think

[02:21:32] it should be something totally different like a yes.

[02:21:35] And an animated series, you know, comic book series,

[02:21:40] something that's not a television series.

[02:21:45] Bingo like maybe not even any robots.

[02:21:47] Like maybe just they're stranded in space.

[02:21:51] Maybe have it be a totally different race, but yeah,

[02:21:53] totally different style.

[02:21:53] I mean, say what you want about any version of Judge

[02:21:55] Dredd or RoboCup.

[02:21:57] At least they did something different each time.

[02:21:59] Lost in Space wasn't always a great version of

[02:22:02] what they did each time.

[02:22:03] But hey, you know, like yeah, it's Twilight Zone.

[02:22:07] I can give them each version at least some credit for

[02:22:09] they had their own identity on how they were going to tell

[02:22:12] the mystery stories.

[02:22:14] Yeah, that totally if they do got every done Dune for God's

[02:22:18] say, there you go.

[02:22:19] Dune is a perfect.

[02:22:20] I mean, but I've been watching a lot of Godzilla the

[02:22:24] last few months like I've literally I've watched everything

[02:22:27] Godzilla basically isn't it wild how they pick a different

[02:22:30] style each time some are not only like once I got done

[02:22:33] with the movies that I find like there's three anime movies

[02:22:37] on Netflix.

[02:22:38] Yeah, and an anime short anime series on and also on

[02:22:44] yeah.

[02:22:44] Yeah, yeah, the Godzilla vs. Bambi.

[02:22:48] Well, there you go.

[02:22:49] There's but I mean, yeah, that's that all things that

[02:22:51] they've done, you know, different ways, you know,

[02:22:55] several times.

[02:22:56] So right?

[02:22:57] So true.

[02:22:58] Yeah, it seems like everyone is always torn.

[02:23:01] They don't ever know if they want to imitate everything

[02:23:04] and it's just I'll just say this I blame marketing each

[02:23:07] and every time because it seems like they always get people

[02:23:10] who are just not speaking the same language.

[02:23:12] They're just fast forwarding for the movie and saying here's

[02:23:15] the shot that caught my attention.

[02:23:16] Let's market it this way.

[02:23:17] Like well, that seems not the movie though.

[02:23:21] What if it gets cut?

[02:23:22] I wish marketing was in studio like it used to be kind of

[02:23:25] you know, because then I think there'd be less miscommunication.

[02:23:30] Yeah, better yet if they did it in studio, they'd probably

[02:23:33] save money because then they wouldn't have to have all

[02:23:35] these other you know off the grid extra millions spent

[02:23:39] on something that just again didn't land.

[02:23:41] It didn't make people light up when it played out of Superbowl.

[02:23:44] You know, Godzilla was an interesting one.

[02:23:46] I will see people who won't give it the time of day

[02:23:48] and it's like it's not a dumb monster movie guys.

[02:23:51] It's even if you don't get the nuclear war illusions.

[02:23:53] It's very much like Planet of the Apes where you got to settle

[02:23:56] into the grim atmosphere and then once you're there, you are

[02:24:00] there legit like you're you're getting what's going on all

[02:24:03] of the mines and some of the when they actually write the

[02:24:07] humans well on some of those is like, yeah, I want to see

[02:24:10] more of that human actually.

[02:24:13] I do want to see with the gunzill they made with

[02:24:16] matter with a fierce beeler.

[02:24:20] No, that's your broader.

[02:24:21] I wanted to see him get squished like that was then

[02:24:24] see what just comes down and kills him.

[02:24:26] I'd be like, hey, I would have paid for that, you know, because

[02:24:29] I'm I wanted to see, you know, Godzilla for me is the Japanese

[02:24:33] imports of my brother and I watched on the local, you know,

[02:24:36] channel and was almost like, you know, that it really was

[02:24:38] early 1980s. Universal Monsters.

[02:24:40] It was. Oh, it's fine.

[02:24:42] Yeah.

[02:24:42] Oh, that was good times.

[02:24:44] Totally.

[02:24:45] I recommend 85.

[02:24:46] I think that's a good one to introduce people.

[02:24:48] Oh, it's a good one.

[02:24:49] That's a good one.

[02:24:49] And just because you were it's just so creepy how they're

[02:24:52] crawling.

[02:24:54] I mean, this is before die hard and after all the other

[02:24:57] earthquake type disaster movies like they are having to be

[02:25:00] dead silent while they're crawling to the top trying to

[02:25:02] get help.

[02:25:03] It's like, oh man.

[02:25:05] Hey, Godzilla versus Mothra just saying.

[02:25:08] Oh yeah, true.

[02:25:09] I still need to see minus zero.

[02:25:11] It's amazing.

[02:25:12] Oh, yeah.

[02:25:14] So they so do I have this right?

[02:25:16] They have a black and white version of it playing now.

[02:25:19] Yeah, that's the version I saw.

[02:25:20] Oh, sweet.

[02:25:21] Man.

[02:25:23] That has to be creepy or in a way.

[02:25:25] It's it was an incredible movie.

[02:25:27] It's all about loss and shame.

[02:25:31] It's speaking of the human characters.

[02:25:34] I think that has the best human story of any Godzilla movie.

[02:25:38] That's what we love, dude.

[02:25:40] And it seems like they always struggled to get it right.

[02:25:43] Yeah.

[02:25:44] What is worth?

[02:25:45] I used to watch Godzilla the animated series.

[02:25:47] It's a good network.

[02:25:48] Nice 90s.

[02:25:51] Oh, the yeah, it was inspired by Zilla.

[02:25:54] But yeah, it's funny.

[02:25:55] Like for a movie that's not well received that one that show

[02:25:58] was very popular.

[02:25:59] Just they even it just shows you kind of.

[02:26:03] Some stuff can be improved upon in a different format.

[02:26:06] It's just so weird.

[02:26:07] Isn't it?

[02:26:08] How is like some stuff?

[02:26:09] I mean, right now we're now figuring out how to make

[02:26:12] video game adaptations.

[02:26:13] I'm like, why did it take three decades?

[02:26:16] Just don't touch the 1981 Flash Gordon movie with a movie

[02:26:20] with a soundtrack by Queen.

[02:26:21] That's perfect.

[02:26:22] Don't touch it.

[02:26:23] Don't.

[02:26:25] I saw you enjoy.

[02:26:26] Cory love that movie.

[02:26:28] Don't touch it.

[02:26:28] Isn't it?

[02:26:29] Well, though, how don't touch it camp didn't land at the time.

[02:26:33] I would have thought that would have been the most

[02:26:35] apparent in a post-barbarella.

[02:26:38] But I would have thought that would have made the most

[02:26:42] sense and without Phil.

[02:26:44] I read nothing but film history books growing up and it was

[02:26:46] almost always in one of those.

[02:26:48] I'm like, really?

[02:26:49] This is the worst movie of all time.

[02:26:52] I was six and that movie came out and I watched a repeat on

[02:26:54] HBO that Rathakon and something else and oh,

[02:26:58] chariots of fire and what's the other one?

[02:27:00] It's everyone back now.

[02:27:02] I'm like, it's just clash of the Titans to I watched

[02:27:05] there you go.

[02:27:06] Repeat.

[02:27:06] That's what's wrong with me.

[02:27:07] Vangelis was doing the soundtracks for everything,

[02:27:09] man.

[02:27:10] Oh dude.

[02:27:11] His bladder soundtrack is divine.

[02:27:13] Like, but yeah, like.

[02:27:15] Oh, you'll love this.

[02:27:16] I know people who walked out of the new Blade Runner,

[02:27:18] but hadn't even seen the original.

[02:27:20] I'm like, well, why do you think people like to go to

[02:27:24] movies and not make time for the last one?

[02:27:26] Unless it's again, Star Wars or Marvel?

[02:27:29] And like, oh.

[02:27:31] Blade Runner 2049 was perfect.

[02:27:32] I cried during that movie.

[02:27:33] I cried and my wife said, she told me she goes,

[02:27:36] you're seeing that movie long because her sister was

[02:27:38] demolished at the end of it.

[02:27:39] She's like, I get to pick the next movie.

[02:27:41] I was crud.

[02:27:42] Hurdup.

[02:27:43] Hurdup.

[02:27:43] Well, I said, well, I was like, you're seeing that movie

[02:27:45] long because she didn't see that at me when we found

[02:27:49] out that was Anna Doma.

[02:27:50] She's like, how did you not tell me that was her?

[02:27:53] I'm like, I didn't realize it was her.

[02:27:56] That's how I knew who she was.

[02:27:57] That movie.

[02:27:58] I still can't when I saw her bottom like, hey,

[02:27:59] it's it's it's joy.

[02:28:01] Yeah.

[02:28:01] Before knives out and it is so much fun how we.

[02:28:05] I mean, I do this with even other actors when

[02:28:08] Pacific Rim came out, I was having to tell everyone

[02:28:10] was like, yeah, this gal was in that one depressing

[02:28:12] Oscar bait movie or this person was on Doctor Who and

[02:28:16] I still my co-host has never seen Always Sunny,

[02:28:18] but he can't stand Charlie Day.

[02:28:20] I'm like, well, try taking that out with the

[02:28:22] Always Sunny fans.

[02:28:23] And I just it is interesting when you are a fan of

[02:28:27] an actor, but not necessarily what they're famous

[02:28:29] for and vice versa.

[02:28:30] Like, hey, I I like this guy, but I haven't seen

[02:28:32] what got them on the map.

[02:28:34] You know, this one movie or this these two sick

[02:28:37] comms or like Ron Perlman.

[02:28:40] I mean, I remember him as the start with him.

[02:28:43] Yeah, I really don't think we could have done a better job

[02:28:45] like we I think just about every subplot and compiled

[02:28:50] moment got got summed up and I didn't know where to approach

[02:28:54] this.

[02:28:54] I'll be honest because even though this show is pretty

[02:28:56] straightforward, it really isn't.

[02:28:58] You know, it's just like, okay, we can go here and

[02:29:00] go there, but just haven't done enough of these

[02:29:02] breakdowns and movie and TV franchises like,

[02:29:05] okay, let's just let's just go with the flow and then

[02:29:08] once we talk about one to show how so many levels of

[02:29:11] death.

[02:29:12] Right.

[02:29:13] And but you know, it's good if you want to talk about for

[02:29:16] hours so that hell yeah.

[02:29:18] Yeah.

[02:29:19] All right.

[02:29:20] Safe flying.

[02:29:21] Mr. Top Gun.

[02:29:24] Everyone else putting on always a delight.

[02:29:27] Thank you.

[02:29:27] Thank you for the next thank you space shuttle takeoff.

[02:29:31] Nice meeting you all.