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[00:01:08] I found it appropriate to talk about all these creatures, all these unusual supernatural sci-fi blockbusters and what other than talking about the movie that made Spilberg box office draw.

[00:01:22] I mean, we can talk about other elements of the sequels if you want, but I think we're going to mainly keep them the main avenue.

[00:01:29] So why do you find it interesting how this kind of made this part of a schtick, whether it was producing other blockbusters like Grimlins or doing similar movies years later, like Jurassic Park?

[00:01:42] Why did Spilberg kind of become unanimous with the creature feature?

[00:01:47] That's a great way to put it, create your feature.

[00:01:50] But we found wrong rover, what do you think?

[00:01:54] I do, but I think that back then film making entertainment was a lot simpler than today.

[00:02:02] And when you look at this, this is shark and people running for their lives, you know, it's simpler.

[00:02:11] It's like an emphasis and a group of people working together to arise.

[00:02:16] And that sometimes people want to go and burn their brain to get a deep plot for something like that, they just want to go and get it to the thing.

[00:02:24] You just sort of find you know, it's a chanero.

[00:02:28] Yeah, chanero.

[00:02:31] There's so many of those and it's also kind of funny how they'll vary by removed versus what they want to see, but my my schtick is we'll see some of these other blockbuster movies and you'll see them kind of getting mad at this and that.

[00:02:46] But then they're giving similar movies a pass and like well, hold on a sec.

[00:02:50] We made the stand out more.

[00:02:52] It was more awesome.

[00:02:54] Okay, well I thought this one was also awesome.

[00:02:57] I'm going to deeper from.

[00:03:00] No, it's fine.

[00:03:03] I love a river and I'll say the show because they're very culturally.

[00:03:08] It's fine.

[00:03:10] We wanted to talk about what they love.

[00:03:13] Yeah, just a little bit.

[00:03:15] And if you have follow us, you know that, you know, we did for any is okay.

[00:03:21] I think the times where.

[00:03:25] Easy and hard at the same time.

[00:03:29] For filmmaking.

[00:03:33] Hard because some of the technologies it might make some of this shoots easier to do, we're not invented yet.

[00:03:42] Easier.

[00:03:43] Because there was no.

[00:03:47] And it was.

[00:03:50] It didn't have a lot of process, you know, and I think the reason one saying this.

[00:03:55] And going back to Steven Spielberg.

[00:03:58] This is what I think made him.

[00:04:01] The how you called it, Cam, the feature feature.

[00:04:07] And I think it's a good idea to have that.

[00:04:10] And I think that's what I think is the most natural sci fi guy.

[00:04:13] Exactly because when, when he went to do this film.

[00:04:18] He didn't have any idea so he went up the cuff.

[00:04:24] He tried to be inventive.

[00:04:26] Which in that case since we didn't have that many of the procedures for film.

[00:04:31] And I think that's why he was trying to write the book.

[00:04:34] And I almost feel in a sense that maybe he got lucky because he was a pioneer.

[00:04:45] However, I don't think luck has anything to do with it because if you put someone else in the same position that didn't have the inventive chops.

[00:04:54] And I think that's why he was trying to make the amazing job that he did on Joss.

[00:05:00] So it was a reason I said, yes and no to Captain chaos.

[00:05:05] Makes sense because of those things.

[00:05:07] I mean, absolutely.

[00:05:08] Somebody else.

[00:05:09] Somebody else and just done a good movie that started a movement.

[00:05:12] So like that, you know, totally.

[00:05:13] It was a crab shoot.

[00:05:14] He was.

[00:05:15] I mean, kind of like Tim Boa, when he's going for a divorce and he was bitter.

[00:05:19] And he was like, I don't know if he's going to be in a movie and just stay calm.

[00:05:22] And I think so many other filmmakers they just lose it or they get blacklisted because they're just being.

[00:05:29] You're having too many arguments behind the scenes with producers and instead of just, you know.

[00:05:34] Getting angry.

[00:05:35] He's just trying to do his best.

[00:05:37] And so I think this is a learning process because.

[00:05:41] You know, different genres and movie mashups.

[00:05:44] It's kind of an adventure movie.

[00:05:46] It's horror but not in just the way that it's trying to be nasty like a slasher or.

[00:05:52] That there's torture just that there's a creature effects and there's occasional gore.

[00:05:57] You know,

[00:05:58] It's like there's a Joss.

[00:05:59] There's not even a bad guy.

[00:06:00] You know,

[00:06:01] Yeah, okay.

[00:06:02] He's a shark.

[00:06:03] Right.

[00:06:04] It's not like the alien where it's bad, but it's hunting people.

[00:06:08] You know, it's not like the predator. But it's similar.

[00:06:11] I don't think you would even have the original alien.

[00:06:14] If you didn't have Jaws because this kind of did ignite all the, you know.

[00:06:20] You know, alien is more like the creature of a black lagoon. This is kind of more just like a typical just.

[00:06:26] Nature versus mankind and.

[00:06:29] Yes.

[00:06:30] I see people trying to smack talk.

[00:06:33] Like how you could or couldn't do this disposing of it, but just again the music each time it hits, especially in that opening like I know.

[00:06:42] I know what is actually what to expect.

[00:06:44] I think the speech.

[00:06:47] The Robert Shaw rewrote.

[00:06:49] I think it's just compelling a.

[00:06:51] It's just so rare now because like you'll see so many other experiment gone wrong movies or.

[00:06:57] Creatures versus mankind and you just kind of.

[00:07:01] I mean, we were talking off air about.

[00:07:03] Game of Thrones, but I feel like walking dead also does this too where there's just too many.

[00:07:07] Too many characters feel like plot devices like there to be the jerk or the asshole gets defeated that season and.

[00:07:16] Uh, in the book apparently the mayor is more crooked and refusing to close it down something that's hit upon in the knockoff film piranha, which.

[00:07:25] I got Joe Dante the gig with Spielberg by you know and allowed him to work on Grimmlands with them so I think that's funny because.

[00:07:35] He when he was looking at the book he's like yeah we've got to rewrite these characters because they're not very likable.

[00:07:42] For a movie and.

[00:07:44] And then the politicians they're just going to bore and.

[00:07:48] Make the audience on engage so they, they're not done they can put it together that this town is not competently run and it takes a share of.

[00:07:58] And the sciences and a hunter.

[00:08:05] It's an RPG before that was the thing you know he used to have a wizard and a dwarf you know it's like now.

[00:08:13] There this isn't real life so you know.

[00:08:19] And it's true and and until you're something like I usually see that the IPs are most successful is when even when they're old enough to make another patient to the change of medium they stick to their main structure of story.

[00:08:33] As long as he doesn't detour to watch it usually doesn't lose a following or liking from the from the viewer.

[00:08:40] And once man.

[00:08:43] Like for example you mentioned as a good example you mentioned walking dead I started watching the walking the show and I started reading the comic and I couldn't stand watching the show like I had to stop.

[00:08:53] That's fine.

[00:08:55] And I've never seen a lot of different ways you know and I have to end that's the only one example of many others that role even got test that there are several mediums and their books, there's a movie, there's a comic.

[00:09:10] And as long as they stick together to the kind of like the main story they're all very successful.

[00:09:15] Yeah, like you know they have a dark movie.

[00:09:18] And I've been on this recently and I feel like there's so many movies and shows that don't have a cool idea but they don't know when to stop.

[00:09:29] And so it's what I call great idea terrible execution is that way is like and I get it I get that pitching it is hard I get that sometimes some of these guys who are running the show aren't doing their jobs.

[00:09:44] And they kind of process.

[00:09:47] Sometimes also people get desperate like like people don't know to wait for the right moment too.

[00:09:53] I've seen these I had great potential and then they flop when they come out because they didn't really get it better so you're something it has happened many times.

[00:10:04] Too many times.

[00:10:06] I've been on this slide anytime someone has a backup plan like Jamie Michael Schrodinger see head with that one five where he was just like we're not going to do this we're not going to do that okay.

[00:10:17] The studio wants this all do half of what they want to deal without disrupting my story.

[00:10:24] And so it's like they want this actor who happens to be believe or not on professional.

[00:10:32] But at the same time this guy is angering everyone on the cast so we're going to kill him off like halfway through the season or film and.

[00:10:41] That actually happened there was like this one actor he was he thought he was hot stuff and they were like okay so we're going to film in him and as little scenes with anyone else as possible.

[00:10:51] We're not going to tell him the plot twist until the day I think it'll get the message.

[00:10:56] That's a funny way to see it actually.

[00:11:03] But he's trying to one of the things that that amazes me about this film is that this film almost didn't didn't get me.

[00:11:15] You can even make it now like I think everyone would just want to focus too much on how the sharks look and there just wouldn't be enough.

[00:11:25] To character development and suspense.

[00:11:29] Yeah, but yeah getting there yeah the book was kind of it was pot it was a best seller but it was kind of mocked by critics who looked at it subjectively so.

[00:11:39] interventionally I'm sorry even before that I was just going to say the I think it was Peter eventually.

[00:11:49] He got in a advance for the book yes he did and.

[00:11:56] And he he didn't write anything and then the I think the his.

[00:12:04] And then the name of the people who gave them the advance they said you don't have anything if you don't provide but this date you're going to give us you know that the advance back which he didn't have.

[00:12:19] Yeah so it's kind of funny because we're kind of did that with Criden where he bought the book rides before James Cameron and these other blog vester people could respond to it and then he pretty much just told Criden up front by the way.

[00:12:33] You get to write the screenplay and launch your movie career.

[00:12:37] You got an idea for a TV show how about I help you create this little known idea you got cold ER.

[00:12:45] And I find it funny how he kind of gave everybody these notes but I think he learned it from the hardship on this movie like he told Joe Dante on Grimlins to hey you got a great idea but have spiked the evil Grimlin die instead of gizmo turned into a creature and.

[00:13:01] Have to be killed and keep the mom alive too much for the audience and then we'll let you do what you want your next movies same deal with.

[00:13:09] ER he's like okay love how you shot the pilot acting and character developments great styles great keep Julianna Mark at least a live boom.

[00:13:20] He always have like one little note and it's always kind of a don't kill this person don't kill that and.

[00:13:26] I like how anyone else would kind of get on their high horse or get too self indulgent I think and he doesn't make the wife whiny and he knew the creature didn't look 100% so he's like okay you know fortunately it was not working so he did not use it until he absolutely had to get some b roll of the creature in motion.

[00:13:45] The other difference too like you guys didn't mention or maybe blind that you cannot make the movie like they was made by them to is now everything is provided to you yeah you see yeah back day yeah this robots with water that looks like shines right.

[00:14:01] Well you know the movie was the movie was a product of the hardships that they crew had when they built.

[00:14:13] Yeah so like they the shark didn't work like yeah 80% of the time not all my wife said all yeah is this it they crew had to work was at 12 hours a day yeah so they're all like you know any bad mood.

[00:14:37] Yeah they were filming in the ocean.

[00:14:40] Real terror in the studio real water real terror in the studio that is really sting the don't work their name is this thing.

[00:14:49] He's saying this movie actually finished and what we get we could we could not have gotten if it wasn't under those conditions absolutely.

[00:15:02] I did another fact man.

[00:15:05] Oh yeah it was insane is just like cameras will fall in the water and yeah oh boats will go in front of the frame we got to reshoot again and you imagine be a crew you know you get ready for the shot you take the shot and then they tell you got to reshoot again.

[00:15:22] Because he didn't lose his coal he didn't lose the money.

[00:15:26] That's true because these were not the times for cell phones water proof cameras not all these things that yeah we didn't have GoPro or anything or.

[00:15:35] Oh Lord man.

[00:15:38] We have a discovery channel crew who could shoot on video versus.

[00:15:43] Oh yeah.

[00:15:46] Different times.

[00:15:48] I just get goosebumps just realizing that fact you know that it would be very easy for them to you know for anyone on.

[00:15:58] To lose their cool and then forget it you know we're not making this let's move on to something else this is impossible.

[00:16:07] And this is a reason why we get the shots that we got in the film you know because either thing wasn't working or.

[00:16:15] But they were not in the mood the actors themselves I'm imagine there were in a bad mood to because they're reshooting and reshooting and it was a long day and.

[00:16:26] It's just I don't know if you knew this you but every time I remember this it's just i'm like wow is this incredible.

[00:16:35] Yeah I mean it didn't it didn't down on me until now you guys mentioned it that there were no by then the comforts.

[00:16:43] Port of the portability that we have to date and like so you could be comfortable in a yeah it's on a boat filming you know.

[00:16:52] Cell phones are like did you run away somebody got up in the rain you know it was more primitive it never done on me.

[00:17:01] I don't know if it's because when I watch this movie than we already was long time ago filmed I watch an 88.

[00:17:07] This movie came with 75 and it makes it more interesting and helps you appreciate us to do more.

[00:17:13] I promise you we will definitely do more spover revisitations like we'll do kind of his steam trilogies that would definitely be part of his coming of age.

[00:17:23] Trilogy all the other movies he's done are often kind of historical epics or.

[00:17:29] Adventure trilogies he has so many movies that you could probably say are kind of loose sequels to one another that aren't Indiana Jones but.

[00:17:38] In many ways that all these characters I feel are could exist in the Indiana Jones family and some capacity because they.

[00:17:49] Like even Dr Alan Grenin Jurassic Park like he.

[00:17:54] Is very much about.

[00:17:59] Looking at the science facts and not trying to overthink this or argue with the people who don't believe him and I feel like you get a bit of that from Richard Drifus where he's like you're going to.

[00:18:09] He inserts the right amount of dry humor with I don't know what we're doing here i've never seen anything like this and so.

[00:18:16] This this crosses off the number one rule of screenwriting for me where the.

[00:18:25] I mean that they always say if you want to just cover up some of the plot holes in your movie always have a scientist explaining your premise so that way you can handle the plausibility easier.

[00:18:36] Instead of well I just saw something randomly on the discovery channel and I don't know what I can put here.

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[00:20:25] First favorite five from fans host Jamie Root how would you handle a shark if it intruded upon your town and it was a supernatural creature like the jaws shark me.

[00:20:43] Oh well shit I would wait are we we do curse on here don't we stick I down but yeah all right let's see.

[00:20:53] I'm going to go.

[00:20:56] There I am.

[00:20:58] You guys you guys you can see you can say Dingo very you can say bugger okay there was a great scene and documentary talking about the comedy and they talked about the five words you can't say and two of them you were still able to hear now on bleep like shit.

[00:21:15] I was based off of George Carlin's yeah they were they were routine but I thought it was funny how is like yeah two of those words are now safety are on cable now.

[00:21:25] Exactly you know just the way to get it.

[00:21:28] 13.

[00:21:30] So I would probably handle it the way that the mayor did at the end of the movie doesn't exist no no even later than that just like pay him.

[00:21:42] And let's get back to business.

[00:21:45] Pay all the.

[00:21:47] Pay quiet on official.

[00:21:49] Have the have him hire a group of shark hunters in fact yeah right if you wanted to do us a sequel that was less divisive like part two is kind of a easy rehash you know Rochiders back.

[00:22:06] Yeah season freeze kind of excuse for 3D effects and season four kind of has the wife under terror with Michael Caine to Mario van Peoples and there be listeners.

[00:22:14] If you right if you if you guys had done a sequel back in the day what what where would you have taken the story do you think.

[00:22:25] I think that lasers and the freaking shark freaking laser things I say an awesome power.

[00:22:31] I would have made it into a shark NATO.

[00:22:33] I mean that's just brilliant.

[00:22:35] There you go right there.

[00:22:36] I'm a little bit of jazz and isn't it funny how they called the shark prop Bruce.

[00:22:41] Yes.

[00:22:42] Some publicity listings Bruce the shark I'm like what are you talking about it's not named.

[00:22:46] Yeah talking about the prop okay Bruce.

[00:22:49] I'm pulling a star wars on us where you got to go to this database it's not.

[00:22:52] Show non screen.

[00:22:55] It has a name.

[00:22:58] It was on screen in the background for 5 seconds.

[00:23:02] What do you think this stands out of you know compared to some of the other creature features of the 70s and 80s.

[00:23:08] You know I think it was just I mean it's it is jaws for a reason it's a cinematic masterpiece as far as myself goes.

[00:23:17] I really wanted to have my friend Jennifer join me tonight.

[00:23:20] She and I did an episode very early episode episode 7 of faith five where we talked about shark movies.

[00:23:28] Yeah speaking of the devil.

[00:23:30] Jennifer is always on the sharks team.

[00:23:35] Does it matter what you know we talked about what movies so we did kind of did a rewatch last night and a text that her and she said so this is what she wanted to say this was the.

[00:23:45] The perfect moment in the jaws film is the moment when the three bobbers come up.

[00:23:53] Off the bow and the guys basically have you know they're just stunned on their faces and they can't understand how that shark is still doing what he does and which he said was the moment the three bobbers come up off the boat.

[00:24:09] And the guys have no idea that jaws is right there watching them the suspense and foreboding in that one scene is cinematic genius at its best.

[00:24:20] And I couldn't disagree with her but I have several parts that I love and if it's okay I'd like to share those.

[00:24:27] And they're chronological order one of my first favorites is seeing the welcome to amity sign before the graffiti and later on.

[00:24:39] Yeah exactly.

[00:24:42] The amity islands are just the fact that use that as a gauge of where everyone is as far as is mentally on that island I love that.

[00:24:57] And then the hicks when he finds Chrissy's body of course everybody talks about you know what car getting the nibbles in the beginning but just the object look of horror on his face and he has that whistle in his mouth and he's just blowing and blowing and.

[00:25:13] And then it's down there's that one list little.

[00:25:17] And then as soon as they figure out that it's the body it jumps right to his office and the deputy sitting there along with Cassidy the kid who was drunk the night before running after her and they both have the same dead pan look on their eyes and they're both drinking what I guess is like Alka Selzer when Polly walks in and she's just like.

[00:25:37] And they're going.

[00:25:40] Yeah it's just that movie is peppered with those things all throughout you have time to kind of soak in the details no pun right and I mean you have the author making a cameo as the reporter and yes Chrissy to have her be played by an actual stunt woman and then even spoof that in spover is 1941 I mean.

[00:26:01] She still does cons a buddy of mine yeah a Patrick just a couple of weeks ago met her at a retro con in like North Carolina she's one of the dancers and the great love of capers she's done all kinds of things yeah.

[00:26:14] Of course one of my favorite lines is when chief Brody is watching the swimmers the scene is great because every time someone breaks the camera it switches between the distance between him and the camera sometimes it switches the angle a little bit it's just.

[00:26:29] Little things like that that you see but then the the A whole swimmer comes in sits in front of him and we know about you you like the water.

[00:26:38] That's some bad hat Harry holy which I mean such a good line it totally prompted its own you know studio we don't make the X-Men movie too much on what we already know you know the asshole who wants to get laid with Chrissy you know right he already.

[00:26:56] He already said fault for because had he not gone out there with her she would never would have been killed by the shark but we don't need to focus on it we don't need to hit that home we already know he's an asshole and he's got a live with that killed the rest of his life you know any other movie would have made him be just a plot device or just another asshole who's just going to die and it's like yeah but let's move this along instead of just root for.

[00:27:20] I mean yes it's great to root for someone's downfall but then there's times where they drag it out and it's like there's just no no fun yeah.

[00:27:29] Yeah absolutely Alex getting his death I mean I hate this much as you say that but in all the swimmers how they respond when they just see that chum just rolling up and everybody's freaking out.

[00:27:44] Another great scene is when Ellen Brody is you know Shesha in the chief because he's like kids out of the boat you know I don't want the kids playing and oh don't be like that she sees the picture in the book.

[00:27:57] Michael the year your father on the water out now.

[00:28:01] Which is such a mother thing to do you know.

[00:28:06] This is so funny hey.

[00:28:08] Geo and Robert you love this and welcome Ray by the way I should introduce you right how you do it you'll find this.

[00:28:17] So you'll find this funny Susan back in Lini who plays Chrissy.

[00:28:24] The swimmer slash stunt woman slash actress believe her not she trained a bearer whose growls were actually later used for the voice of Chubaka really.

[00:28:35] After you all back again.

[00:28:41] You have some extra site by connection and so we were joking, everything we do kind of connect this to the rest of spoons career but you could also connect those to every other blockbuster movie if you really try really well there's

[00:28:51] a huge connection to the double O seven Friedensize.

[00:28:57] Yeah we don't know that.

[00:29:01] stuntman no.

[00:29:03] They make sure it's on screen.

[00:29:04] because there's a character named Jaws.

[00:29:07] Nope, the tiger shark autopsy scene.

[00:29:11] When he cuts him open

[00:29:14] and Hooper starts pulling stuff out,

[00:29:16] and he says, yeah, I knew he swam up from the Gulf Stream.

[00:29:19] He pulls out Louisiana license plate

[00:29:21] and throws it out.

[00:29:22] The license plate is 007.

[00:29:26] Oh, that is awesome.

[00:29:29] Spielberg went not once but just like

[00:29:33] he did Raiders.

[00:29:35] Yeah, he went not once but twice to try to get

[00:29:38] to direct a 007 movie and it's pretty nice.

[00:29:42] I think was the one, it was the 81 movie

[00:29:45] and that was the same year Raiders came out

[00:29:47] and yeah, he was kind of wild.

[00:29:49] How when we look at this and you know,

[00:29:51] we think Lucas, who's doing the second unit directing

[00:29:54] and assistant camera setups

[00:29:56] and spovers the Helmsman and casten

[00:29:59] is doing some of the dialogue.

[00:30:00] But we also kind of forget about Bill Kaufman

[00:30:04] who's done so many new wars and other character studies.

[00:30:07] So it's just kind of interesting how

[00:30:11] if we can't connect anything to Indy Jones or Bond,

[00:30:15] we can always just think of still

[00:30:17] think of Jaws with creating the what you expect every summer.

[00:30:21] Yeah, exactly.

[00:30:24] Like not even just creature picture

[00:30:25] just like a larger than life movie

[00:30:27] that's going to have all kinds of just,

[00:30:31] I mean, divisive or not.

[00:30:33] I feel is kind of how some of those movies are now

[00:30:35] but it's like you're gonna see something

[00:30:37] that you normally wouldn't even want to see

[00:30:39] but here you are now.

[00:30:41] Yeah.

[00:30:41] Oh yeah, the obvious connection on this film

[00:30:44] is John Williams and how this film

[00:30:49] would not be the film that it is without him.

[00:30:51] Yeah.

[00:30:53] And not just him making the music

[00:30:55] but him basically fighting and having to prove to Spielberg

[00:31:00] that he needed the music there

[00:31:01] because he played it for him the first time

[00:31:04] and Spielberg basically turned to him

[00:31:06] and said, yeah, that's great.

[00:31:07] But what's the real music you want to use?

[00:31:10] And he's like, no, that is what we need in here.

[00:31:13] That's the thing.

[00:31:14] Yeah.

[00:31:15] No, no, no.

[00:31:15] So they had to, Robert, if you know the story,

[00:31:17] please step in.

[00:31:18] But I think they pretty much brought in an audience

[00:31:21] and showed up to them both ways

[00:31:22] and 99% of the people said, oh no, you gotta have that music.

[00:31:26] And I just applaud him for just letting him,

[00:31:30] using him pretty much all of his career.

[00:31:32] Right.

[00:31:33] You know, well, in shoot you get somebody like that

[00:31:36] who's just a genius.

[00:31:39] Who else?

[00:31:40] Not only that but think about it.

[00:31:42] If you think about it,

[00:31:43] backing those times,

[00:31:45] the importance of soundtrack or you know soundtrack

[00:31:48] for storytelling on the movie

[00:31:51] was not that imperative.

[00:31:53] Because I mean,

[00:31:54] go go 30 years back,

[00:31:56] we just started with most of the pictures we images

[00:31:59] like and why you know, not even till I go.

[00:32:02] So by now, by that time it's 75,

[00:32:04] it's just starting to be introduced

[00:32:06] the importance of what music or you know soundtrack

[00:32:10] can help in revolutionize.

[00:32:13] Movie completely do a different thing.

[00:32:16] I can't imagine.

[00:32:17] You're so right.

[00:32:18] Not being a thing.

[00:32:19] Usually they say that a soundtrack is successful

[00:32:22] if you don't notice it,

[00:32:23] but for yours,

[00:32:25] it's more a case of you do notice it.

[00:32:27] And every time you hear it,

[00:32:29] you're looking for that shark.

[00:32:30] Yeah.

[00:32:31] You're walking through a shopping center

[00:32:34] and you hear that music playing,

[00:32:36] you're just like,

[00:32:37] Where's the shark?

[00:32:38] Fuck.

[00:32:39] Yeah.

[00:32:40] Oh, there's a shark.

[00:32:42] The music is just so much of a character

[00:32:44] as the rest of the characters in the movie.

[00:32:45] They are.

[00:32:46] It is.

[00:32:47] Without this movie,

[00:32:49] the music, there's really not even a movie.

[00:32:51] Yeah.

[00:32:52] And it makes me wonder if this is something

[00:32:54] that John Williams came up with

[00:32:55] when he was filming this film

[00:32:57] because this is something that he uses in every film.

[00:33:01] And just to give you a random example there

[00:33:04] in Star Wars saga,

[00:33:06] every character has their score.

[00:33:08] They have their own theme.

[00:33:09] Yeah.

[00:33:10] Or you know that person.

[00:33:12] You know that where it belongs to.

[00:33:14] That's why I like playing those Star Wars games

[00:33:16] because you wouldn't even hear more of the on-cut score

[00:33:18] that usually you'd have dialogue talking over

[00:33:20] or you hear quarter of it,

[00:33:23] but you don't hear the full thing

[00:33:24] until like sequel number one or five.

[00:33:27] So I always wonder if this is something that, you know,

[00:33:30] everybody was new when this film came out,

[00:33:32] this is like a pioneer film.

[00:33:36] And I always wondered about that

[00:33:38] if John Williams figured that out during this filming

[00:33:42] and move it over to the Star Wars franchise.

[00:33:45] And Mexican everything else he's done after.

[00:33:48] Yeah, Superman, Oliver Stone, stuff like JFK

[00:33:53] and born on the Fourth of July, I can't imagine.

[00:33:57] I mean, I used to have a collection

[00:33:59] of Williams best things from all his stuff

[00:34:02] which includes, it was a more recent CD set

[00:34:05] and it also included his Olympics

[00:34:06] and Academy Awards scores also.

[00:34:08] And I think you just wouldn't have gotten

[00:34:11] that darker low-loan intense vibe

[00:34:16] that he's so vibrant with.

[00:34:19] Yeah.

[00:34:21] Very true.

[00:34:22] You know,

[00:34:23] would you show, would you show jaws at a theme park?

[00:34:28] Yeah.

[00:34:29] Okay, now I'm just wondering if something

[00:34:31] might be like too much.

[00:34:33] It wasn't, it was a Disney's point.

[00:34:37] Yes, there is.

[00:34:37] Yeah, I did not go on that ride.

[00:34:39] I was like, that thing is going to kill me.

[00:34:42] Do you guys remember the scene in Bex of the Future Part 2

[00:34:47] where he's gone to the future?

[00:34:49] Yeah, the whole world.

[00:34:49] Like, seven playing and the holographic shark.

[00:34:52] I think that was the only note Steven game

[00:34:56] was like, you got to reference me.

[00:34:57] Yeah, anything else you want.

[00:34:59] You got to reference me.

[00:35:01] I got to go on the ride at Universal back in the day.

[00:35:05] And that was a lot of fun.

[00:35:07] It was a lot of fun.

[00:35:09] I missed it.

[00:35:10] I actually went first time I went to Universal,

[00:35:13] they didn't have that ride anymore.

[00:35:14] Yeah, I think they have it there still.

[00:35:17] I know I heard from friends and family

[00:35:19] that they recently brought back the water world rides.

[00:35:21] So I wouldn't be surprised if they

[00:35:23] had any all other kinds of fun epic flashbacks

[00:35:28] instead of just do the Shrek one with a question.

[00:35:32] Yeah.

[00:35:33] Did anybody see the Matt Hooper's appearance

[00:35:38] in piranha 3D?

[00:35:41] Richard Dreyfus.

[00:35:42] No, I mean Matt Hooper.

[00:35:44] Matt Hooper.

[00:35:45] OK, wow.

[00:35:46] I forgot he was in that.

[00:35:47] If you ever see piranha 3D at the beginning,

[00:35:50] you see Richard Dreyfus, a watch had

[00:35:55] and a blue gene shirt and stuff just fish it.

[00:35:58] And he's singing show me the way to go home.

[00:36:01] OK, Drake could be here.

[00:36:02] And basically an underwater seismic event happens

[00:36:07] and cracks open a dome.

[00:36:09] And all of the water swirls around

[00:36:11] and falls into this dome.

[00:36:12] And of course, there's like prehistoric piranha in there.

[00:36:16] And so he looks like Matt Hooper.

[00:36:19] The glass is in everything.

[00:36:20] But there's no it's just him.

[00:36:22] So later on, the police are looking for him.

[00:36:25] And they said, yeah, Miss Hooper called last night.

[00:36:28] Matt never came home.

[00:36:30] And so it's in there that it's Matt Hooper.

[00:36:33] I love that.

[00:36:36] I'm not that type of person that likes those kind of films.

[00:36:39] I can't remember exactly why I watched it

[00:36:43] or I know it was with a group of friends.

[00:36:46] And I remember the experience that I took from that

[00:36:50] was questioning myself.

[00:36:55] Why was it that it was so every, if that might not

[00:37:00] write word when I didn't see anything?

[00:37:03] I had an impact because...

[00:37:05] The mind has no limit to its imagination

[00:37:08] unless you set the line.

[00:37:10] Exactly.

[00:37:11] I mean, my heart was going...

[00:37:14] I'm sure it's over 120 bits per second.

[00:37:18] But I mean, per minute.

[00:37:19] But this is incredible.

[00:37:23] This is how impactful this film is

[00:37:26] that with storytelling and with visuals,

[00:37:31] they can get you to see in your mind

[00:37:36] things that are not there and make you believe it.

[00:37:39] Yep.

[00:37:41] They're doing something right.

[00:37:42] That's right.

[00:37:44] So the Jot talk about the lady of the dunes?

[00:37:48] Oh, no, we didn't.

[00:37:49] We should.

[00:37:50] Now, this...

[00:37:51] Are you guys from Cam?

[00:37:53] You piped up.

[00:37:53] I mean, you piped up there.

[00:37:55] But do you have a guy who's heard the rest of this story?

[00:37:57] Let's talk more about him.

[00:37:59] He has a good grade segment.

[00:38:01] Yeah.

[00:38:02] Do you want to leave us off?

[00:38:04] No, no.

[00:38:05] You know more about this.

[00:38:07] I got another story, but it's a little more obscure.

[00:38:10] So basically the ladies of the dunes murder victim

[00:38:17] has been 48 years back in 1974 and this would have been...

[00:38:21] Yeah, in 1974 in July of 26th.

[00:38:23] They found a dismembered body in a Providence town,

[00:38:28] Massachusetts.

[00:38:29] And basically it went unsolved for years and years and years.

[00:38:34] I won't go into all the gory details,

[00:38:36] but basically they found a blue bandana

[00:38:39] and a pair of blue jeans folded up

[00:38:42] on where her head was

[00:38:46] and they started thinking, okay, well maybe this was...

[00:38:51] You know, a transient or somebody moving on

[00:38:53] but somehow Joe Hill, son of Stephen King

[00:38:58] got into part of the story.

[00:39:00] No, that...

[00:39:01] I can't even know that part.

[00:39:02] Yes, yeah, this is the big thing a few years ago.

[00:39:04] I believe he was on a podcast or something

[00:39:07] and they were talking about it

[00:39:08] and he started digging into it

[00:39:11] and the woman who did all of the extras

[00:39:14] and the casting had passed away

[00:39:17] and the records weren't really that great

[00:39:19] and they couldn't find them.

[00:39:21] So they were pretty sure

[00:39:24] they found a woman named Ruth Marie

[00:39:29] who looked a lot like the...

[00:39:31] As an extra and she was wearing a blue bandana

[00:39:34] and blue jeans

[00:39:35] and so they kind of started to piece together.

[00:39:38] They thought but...

[00:39:42] According to last year,

[00:39:44] they have now discovered who she is

[00:39:49] and they don't know for sure

[00:39:54] that this is the same girl.

[00:39:57] But the FBI put out that, as they say...

[00:40:05] Carl Gottlieb, the screenwriter,

[00:40:07] talked about the fact that this was a scene

[00:40:10] where this girl Ruth would have been in was in May.

[00:40:13] So just like a few months after what they found the body

[00:40:17] with the decomposition, they thought, man,

[00:40:18] this is God to be her.

[00:40:23] But yeah, they like said,

[00:40:26] they came out and tried to identify her

[00:40:28] with some remains and some DNA

[00:40:31] and they think now that her name is Chrissy Watkins

[00:40:36] but they can't tell for sure somehow

[00:40:40] and so the story is still up and out there

[00:40:43] but yeah, Stephen King's son came across the story

[00:40:46] and started doing some digging and...

[00:40:49] Anyway, it's a story weird.

[00:40:51] Did you know that the two pranksters kids,

[00:40:54] they're basically like future extras,

[00:40:56] one of them actually became a deputy?

[00:41:00] No, really.

[00:41:01] And he served...

[00:41:02] That's the one who was breaking the fences?

[00:41:04] I think so.

[00:41:06] Are the ones with the shark fin swimming?

[00:41:09] Yeah, and he became basically a deputy

[00:41:13] at the same town where they filmed it

[00:41:16] and they actually did call them in

[00:41:20] for an actual shark sighting.

[00:41:23] Mystery imitates...

[00:41:24] All right, I was hearing it on some other podcast

[00:41:26] where they're talking trivia.

[00:41:27] I'm like, that's amazing.

[00:41:29] Well, I mean, so many of those people were from Martha's Vineyard

[00:41:34] that doesn't surprise me.

[00:41:37] Do you remember that scene

[00:41:38] where all the fishermen are taking all their boats

[00:41:42] and they're starting to go to get together

[00:41:44] to cast off to go after the shark?

[00:41:46] And the farmer master walks out

[00:41:49] and he's got like, I don't know, like milk and eggs

[00:41:52] and sugar and he just kind of looks around.

[00:41:56] That guy, his real name was Donald Poo.

[00:42:00] He lived to be 94 years old

[00:42:03] and served on the council there for like 45 years.

[00:42:08] No speaking, no role, I mean, no lines.

[00:42:11] He just walks out and just has this long pipe

[00:42:14] in the skipper hat, you know.

[00:42:17] Man.

[00:42:18] He's still there.

[00:42:19] And did we talk, did you all talk about

[00:42:21] the Indianapolis story?

[00:42:22] So that's the story that Quint Robert Shaw

[00:42:25] is when they're trading a scars

[00:42:29] and he has the scar that's been removed

[00:42:32] and he talks about the USS Indianapolis

[00:42:35] that delivered the bombs for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[00:42:39] Remember that scene?

[00:42:41] Yes.

[00:42:42] Yes.

[00:42:43] That was amazing, but you know, Shaw had a big drinking problem

[00:42:48] and they tried to film that scene a couple of times

[00:42:51] and he was just tearing it up.

[00:42:55] So the next day he came in, cold sober, sorry, cold sober

[00:43:01] and did it one take

[00:43:04] and then went back to drinking

[00:43:06] but that is a gruesome story in itself.

[00:43:09] But I think the fact that so many people just

[00:43:15] like the actors were dedicated,

[00:43:17] a method almost is kind of living it as they were doing it.

[00:43:21] I think that is, that says a lot about keeping the focus.

[00:43:25] I think the pacing was amazing too.

[00:43:27] Like this whole, you know, calm,

[00:43:29] that calm scene is before the shark attacks the next time.

[00:43:34] And so it's all fresh in our mind

[00:43:36] what could happen when people go into the water

[00:43:38] and their sharks in the water or a big shark.

[00:43:41] So it's kind of like putting it,

[00:43:42] I thought putting it in your head.

[00:43:44] Oh man, what are these guys going to go through

[00:43:47] if they ever get in then boom, they're in the water with them?

[00:43:50] And think of any other movie that,

[00:43:52] I mean, they'll film something on location

[00:43:54] but there's still gonna be some issues

[00:43:56] that are closed off studio for one shot or what have you.

[00:44:00] Yeah.

[00:44:01] Yeah.

[00:44:02] Can you imagine filming something on an actual water now?

[00:44:06] No.

[00:44:08] I don't think anyone's gonna make time for it.

[00:44:09] It's like, you can just do it on a grid screen

[00:44:11] or they can do Mandalorian,

[00:44:13] which, you know, don't give me wrong, that works well.

[00:44:15] But we're kind of going into more video game

[00:44:17] kind of filmmaking.

[00:44:19] Yeah.

[00:44:20] And what I mean is,

[00:44:21] I don't mean that it's based on a game.

[00:44:23] I just mean it's creating a virtual world

[00:44:26] and really all you got to focus on now

[00:44:28] is the makeup set,

[00:44:30] other parts of the set design and props.

[00:44:34] Yeah, you don't even have to shave a mustache off.

[00:44:37] Take it out and post production.

[00:44:38] There you go, pull a Superman.

[00:44:40] Yeah, you know?

[00:44:42] No, I agree with you.

[00:44:42] I do think there are still a lot of good filmmakers

[00:44:46] who are doing stuff in real life.

[00:44:49] You just gotta find the right one.

[00:44:51] Yeah.

[00:44:52] And finally, some YouTubers

[00:44:53] and TV commercial guys are actually getting creative

[00:44:56] instead of being too robotic.

[00:45:00] Cause like look at for instance, like mystery men.

[00:45:02] You know, like that was a failure of the box office

[00:45:05] mixed bag, but it was a cult hit for the rest of us.

[00:45:08] But yes, it's amazing that it even went anywhere

[00:45:11] because the director never worked again.

[00:45:13] He was known for the Taco Bell ads

[00:45:15] and the cast hated working with each other

[00:45:17] but acknowledged it now

[00:45:19] because it's taken on a life of its own.

[00:45:21] I had no idea cause it was on TV all the time.

[00:45:23] I figured yeah, everyone kind of knows that one is.

[00:45:26] Wasn't it a hit?

[00:45:27] It was like no, it wasn't a hit at all actually.

[00:45:28] But yeah,

[00:45:30] I feel like

[00:45:32] because the landscape has changed so much

[00:45:34] and I think less people are trying to,

[00:45:37] producers are now trying to look for someone

[00:45:38] who still has a vision even though they can work cheaper.

[00:45:42] I hope we're getting to that point

[00:45:44] where we can still look for new blood

[00:45:47] instead of just well, they can do it

[00:45:50] but not necessarily better.

[00:45:52] You know, it seems we're doing that

[00:45:53] with directors and screenwriters

[00:45:55] but we're really not doing it that much with...

[00:45:57] They did it with a guy who did Kong's Skull Island.

[00:46:00] He had done like a bunch of Microsoft ads

[00:46:03] and Super Bowl promos so I'm hoping he can skyrocket his career.

[00:46:08] Yeah, I just see the same faces in all of the movies.

[00:46:13] And I mean, the guy who directed part two,

[00:46:15] he had done a bunch of stuff for like Universal TV.

[00:46:18] I liked it.

[00:46:19] It's pretty sound.

[00:46:21] I was rewatching I think a few years ago

[00:46:23] and I was like, I'm not sure if this'll work

[00:46:25] and like no, this actually gets the job done.

[00:46:27] It's not that unbelievable to think

[00:46:30] that a mother would show up for her kid

[00:46:32] in the first.

[00:46:33] But yeah, once it follows and down to Jamaica,

[00:46:37] he was...

[00:46:39] I just found a calculator.

[00:46:41] It's not, I'm sure it's not that exact

[00:46:44] but it gives us an idea.

[00:46:47] 9 million 75th money would adjust

[00:46:51] to around 50 million in today's money

[00:46:54] which is still, it's still just change.

[00:46:58] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[00:47:01] Wow.

[00:47:02] Yeah, they got their money back from that movie for sure.

[00:47:04] You got that change?

[00:47:05] If you got that changed laying around somewhere over in the middle.

[00:47:10] You're gonna have to go up into his place

[00:47:12] and look at between the catch cushions.

[00:47:14] That's what I'm telling you.

[00:47:15] That's what I'm telling you.

[00:47:16] Let me rock still, man.

[00:47:17] That's what I'm telling you.

[00:47:18] Let me know.

[00:47:19] I know where he leaves.

[00:47:22] I know where you leave.

[00:47:23] You just gotta let me know if you have it.

[00:47:24] You don't have to move around.

[00:47:25] Do you think Spover Grogred's not getting extra money

[00:47:28] from the awful sequels?

[00:47:32] You know what they say?

[00:47:33] I don't know.

[00:47:33] Michael Caine, because you can always take,

[00:47:38] you can always cash out or sell out

[00:47:41] and then make something you actually want to do.

[00:47:43] I mean, you hear John Cusag and Ethan Hawke

[00:47:45] talk about that once in a while

[00:47:46] they'll suck up and do a movie they don't want to do.

[00:47:48] They do two movies, they don't want to do

[00:47:49] two movies they do want to do.

[00:47:51] A rear-viewed.

[00:47:54] Yeah.

[00:47:54] I heard Michael Caine never watched.

[00:47:57] Jaws.

[00:47:58] Yeah, he's a four.

[00:48:00] Four and he just did the famous

[00:48:02] and brought a great mansion.

[00:48:04] Yeah, exactly.

[00:48:08] Same thing with Pam little fouries

[00:48:11] for the first Friday, 13th.

[00:48:12] He needed a car.

[00:48:14] Yeah.

[00:48:15] Well, what's her name?

[00:48:16] Yeah, who played Debbie?

[00:48:17] Yeah, he was like,

[00:48:18] yeah, I had to do what I had to do.

[00:48:21] That's it.

[00:48:22] That's it.

[00:48:23] It's a good franchise.

[00:48:24] I'm ready for number five.

[00:48:26] I wonder would it be not a reboot?

[00:48:28] But you know, we had cruel jaws

[00:48:30] the amusing Italian guy.

[00:48:32] Oh, so bad.

[00:48:34] Yeah.

[00:48:36] No, I will watch anything.

[00:48:38] Is it Tisa Farrow who's in it?

[00:48:41] Or is it the guy from all of the full-cheat movies?

[00:48:45] It's like, there's only five actors in the movie.

[00:48:47] I think it was, it was the one guy who's done all Bruno Matai

[00:48:52] is that all of the characters,

[00:48:54] Kookie.

[00:48:55] I mean, he's much like full-cheat.

[00:48:57] It's like pretty much when you look at a tie-in filmmakers

[00:48:59] who are not a regular gentle,

[00:49:01] they all have the same thing,

[00:49:02] which is doing Indiana Jones knockoff,

[00:49:04] doing escape from New York knockoff,

[00:49:06] do a cone in the barbarian cash

[00:49:07] and do some soft-car hard-go-born

[00:49:11] and then do some G allo mystery

[00:49:14] or supernatural terror movie.

[00:49:16] It's like a bingo card.

[00:49:18] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:49:19] It's a total bingo past the, you know,

[00:49:21] spin the bottles, look the flashcard around.

[00:49:24] Yeah.

[00:49:26] How about this?

[00:49:28] Would anybody here be interested in a jaws?

[00:49:33] Kind of like a...

[00:49:35] Not TV show, but let's say...

[00:49:36] Scully and molder.

[00:49:37] It comes with us to gauge shark crimes every day.

[00:49:40] Yeah.

[00:49:41] In any made format?

[00:49:44] The sharks are out there.

[00:49:46] Sorry.

[00:49:46] In anime.

[00:49:47] In anime?

[00:49:48] Mm-hmm.

[00:49:50] Just a movie, not a show.

[00:49:52] It's going to be like the Halo or Animatrix

[00:49:54] where you do like an anthology of people

[00:49:56] connected to the shark crimes.

[00:49:59] No, like a true anime,

[00:50:01] like hiring Japanese...

[00:50:04] Well, that's what I mean,

[00:50:05] but making it an anime anthology

[00:50:07] or just this full story,

[00:50:10] an hour movie, just the movie.

[00:50:14] Like a film, like a film.

[00:50:15] So the same script?

[00:50:17] Maybe.

[00:50:18] That could...

[00:50:19] Yeah.

[00:50:20] You know what?

[00:50:21] It's a good idea.

[00:50:22] The same script.

[00:50:23] I was thinking about maybe...

[00:50:24] I'd like a little expansion at least.

[00:50:26] So what are you suggesting

[00:50:28] more like an adaptation to anime?

[00:50:30] If they can make it

[00:50:32] like the Godzilla Netflix anime

[00:50:35] but a little more juicy,

[00:50:37] I might be open to this

[00:50:39] but like make it be like a 10-parter.

[00:50:41] Or...

[00:50:42] It's in black and white,

[00:50:44] except for the blood.

[00:50:45] Ooh!

[00:50:46] Is it?

[00:50:47] Is it?

[00:50:48] I might be up to this.

[00:50:49] Like me to go.

[00:50:50] There you go.

[00:50:51] So we pull a...

[00:50:52] We pull a Shimmer's list

[00:50:53] where it's all in black and white

[00:50:54] but only the blood

[00:50:55] and the...

[00:50:56] I'm gonna leave the blood.

[00:50:57] And the GZD.

[00:50:58] CZD.

[00:50:59] You can make juicy anime.

[00:51:00] There's one earring

[00:51:02] in the season right now called Goblin Slayer

[00:51:06] and if they're like two co-hosts of cinema,

[00:51:09] I'd expect Robert hasn't seen it.

[00:51:11] I mean, it's not just the Goblins that get killed.

[00:51:13] The people get hacked up

[00:51:14] and eaten by the Goblins and the staff as well.

[00:51:16] So...

[00:51:17] I think you can make pretty bloody

[00:51:20] uh...

[00:51:21] uh...

[00:51:22] uh...

[00:51:23] anime if you really want.

[00:51:24] Kind of where I want it to be.

[00:51:26] Kind of almost an anthology.

[00:51:27] Like have a series of sharks

[00:51:29] that breed from like this place.

[00:51:31] It doesn't have to be mutated or anything

[00:51:33] but just...

[00:51:34] I don't know if they're going to be able

[00:51:36] to see the blood.

[00:51:37] They're going to be like,

[00:51:38] they don't have to be mutated or anything

[00:51:40] but just...

[00:51:41] I don't know.

[00:51:42] Like they show up a montage

[00:51:44] where they're praying on people,

[00:51:45] they're getting bigger, stronger than...

[00:51:47] even praying on other sharks.

[00:51:48] And then like...

[00:51:49] You could have almost like what the idea is

[00:51:53] kind of where with people who see or jaws free

[00:51:55] but like one of them attacks Japan,

[00:51:57] one of them attacks Brazil,

[00:51:59] one of them attacks Sweden

[00:52:00] and another attacks

[00:52:01] in various American cities.

[00:52:03] That sounds like a...

[00:52:04] that sounds like a certain government

[00:52:06] praying like...

[00:52:07] taking over the world one bite of the time.

[00:52:09] Exactly.

[00:52:11] Bite of the...

[00:52:12] He's the talk of the town.

[00:52:15] I think my sharks would have difficulty in Sweden

[00:52:18] and not because of the fields

[00:52:20] because of how cold it is.

[00:52:22] Nice.

[00:52:24] I would...

[00:52:25] I guess I can answer first.

[00:52:27] I think this style for me...

[00:52:29] What is that?

[00:52:32] And I completely forgot the name now.

[00:52:34] Gio, what is that anime that you have me watch

[00:52:37] and I refuse after...

[00:52:39] The most layer?

[00:52:40] Yeah.

[00:52:41] That style.

[00:52:42] The most layer?

[00:52:43] The most layer is nice because it's colorful

[00:52:45] and it's plattery.

[00:52:47] That's not about choice.

[00:52:48] Plattery.

[00:52:49] I like that word.

[00:52:50] Nice.

[00:52:53] So that would be my answer for that question.

[00:52:55] I think...

[00:52:56] Just about any anime with the words

[00:52:58] slayer in the title of the...

[00:53:00] Oh wait, it's still pretty loud.

[00:53:02] I mean, I mean, I mean...

[00:53:04] Slayer music plays over the soundtrack.

[00:53:06] I mentioned Berzerker and I think that

[00:53:08] that would be a great animation style too

[00:53:10] because Berzerker...

[00:53:12] There's something primitive about sharks you know?

[00:53:15] There's no technology or anything.

[00:53:17] It's just men as fishermen against nature.

[00:53:20] And I will pick that too

[00:53:23] because I mean one bite of a shark or something

[00:53:25] just a freaking splatter of blood

[00:53:27] got splining around.

[00:53:29] And yes, anime can be a very good medium

[00:53:33] for you actually go realistic

[00:53:35] or even go further down the road

[00:53:37] to your idea when it comes to these things.

[00:53:40] Okay.

[00:53:41] I got a question.

[00:53:42] This is a question my daughter always poses.

[00:53:45] Okay, so you take jaw.

[00:53:47] Ice cream?

[00:53:48] Huh?

[00:53:49] And everybody in the movie

[00:53:53] becomes a muppet.

[00:53:55] Except for one person.

[00:53:57] Oh my god.

[00:53:58] And we're going to have to have...

[00:54:00] Okay, so Gonzo is going to be a scientist

[00:54:03] Drifus plays.

[00:54:05] Kermit I feel should be the stupid mayor.

[00:54:08] I'm not sure on who should be Sheriff Brodie

[00:54:11] but Fawzi bear by far.

[00:54:13] It's going to give the speech as Robert Suskerker.

[00:54:16] See, I was thinking Sam the eagle.

[00:54:18] That's Captain Quent.

[00:54:20] Oh, there you go.

[00:54:21] Yeah.

[00:54:22] I think he should be the sheriff.

[00:54:23] He's like, you all are morons.

[00:54:25] Yeah.

[00:54:26] Yeah, I think it's usual line.

[00:54:28] Of course Piggy is Ellen.

[00:54:30] Ready.

[00:54:31] Ready.

[00:54:32] I'm going to be the first victim.

[00:54:33] Cause get at also there you go.

[00:54:34] I heard her.

[00:54:35] It can be the.

[00:54:36] I missed out on some serious bacon.

[00:54:38] And I had someone I wanted to pork.

[00:54:41] And we could have the critics.

[00:54:43] Walter and what's his face?

[00:54:44] They could be talking shit while people are getting slaughtered.

[00:54:47] Oh, we told you not to go in the water.

[00:54:50] Oh, sorry.

[00:54:51] See, I was thinking that they would they would both be Harry's.

[00:54:54] Oh, you know, I was thinking, you know,

[00:54:57] it's not a bad thing.

[00:54:59] It's not a bad thing.

[00:55:00] I'm just saying that they should be the hunter who gets the shark.

[00:55:03] That's not the right one.

[00:55:05] Oh,

[00:55:06] what was who's the guy that was exploding fish?

[00:55:11] Oh,

[00:55:12] oh,

[00:55:13] oh,

[00:55:14] oh,

[00:55:15] oh,

[00:55:16] oh,

[00:55:17] oh,

[00:55:18] oh,

[00:55:19] oh,

[00:55:20] oh,

[00:55:21] oh,

[00:55:22] oh,

[00:55:23] oh,

[00:55:27] youinch.

[00:55:29] So who would stay human?

[00:55:32] One person has to stay human in the for quite a while.

[00:55:36] So Richard Rayfish Hotel,

[00:55:37] so Richard Rayf will stay human,

[00:55:39] uh

[00:55:40] OK.

[00:55:41] illing.

[00:55:42] It's a sheriff roadie.

[00:55:43] I like to see him do some comedy or he looks like a muppet in this movie

[00:55:45] so

[00:55:47] it's

[00:55:51] for the right. There would be some great scenes if Quent was the human and everybody else around

[00:55:58] it was Muppets. Yeah I love it. I don't know why you can't lose with this because

[00:56:06] you're gonna just go from on to what hurts like my sides would probably be killing me like

[00:56:10] 30 times I grew up watching Treasure Island. I mean they've done Treasure Island, they've done

[00:56:16] Muppet carols, they've done I think George is next. I mean we really should fight for that you know?

[00:56:22] Yeah I love the decision. I will fund I do you guys say yeah I'm a totally starter anime. I will

[00:56:32] This is amazing but but you can you can have a Muppet play this shark as well. You know that

[00:56:36] really really big Muppet the massive one that's like like not the sweet stuff and stuff.

[00:56:44] Nine foot tall with messy paid. Oh no no no that's not big but that's so yeah you're talking about the

[00:56:53] one with the giant S-libs he looks like animal but giant. Yeah pretty huge. Yeah yeah yeah

[00:57:00] character he could be the shark. I love how this took a twist. It's not tele that's so sweet

[00:57:08] okay it's sweet-dums. Yeah sweet-dums okay like it's you thank you Google

[00:57:14] you know you look a lot smarter if we couldn't see the reflection and you just say yeah

[00:57:19] Sweet-dums is the game character I write in every movie or the prostitute you write in a vigilante

[00:57:26] thriller for Roger Corbin. I don't know. We totally I love how we just add into the fun B-movie

[00:57:33] mythology because like John's like a total like B-movie love letter and like the most mainstream

[00:57:37] B-pitcher just showing because like you look at all the jobs knockoffs and some of them are fun

[00:57:42] and some of them are bad but they're kind of the same time. You're just reminding you how

[00:57:46] John's had more time money effort style uh yeah my Corbin didn't need any of that right and

[00:57:57] so Corbin is his own special thing but then you see the other knockoffs and how the Italian ones

[00:58:03] vary and you're like well I think overall I mean I don't I think if you just like we were saying

[00:58:09] before if you touch any part of this for the most part it's probably gonna become Garbanzo means.

[00:58:15] So you're telling me that there are Italian knockoffs of jewels yes does that make it seafood kebranara?

[00:58:26] Well I mean it makes it very fishy that is for sure but um that was deep

[00:58:31] that was so deep we got another visitor they won the only rising filmmaker Rick ives

[00:58:40] oh here on the show thank you man what an intro thanks one and only yeah I guess technically

[00:58:46] that's true you done it all you've been at work in the visual effects of rendering and editing department

[00:58:53] and again solid rock trust has been trending on streaming so that's been cool uh but altogether

[00:59:03] what makes you click what makes you get up first thing in the morning ready to kick ass.

[00:59:08] Oh dude good question uh I just love movies ever since I was a kid love movies and uh when

[00:59:14] my parents I wanted to go to college to get an art degree and do that kind of thing uh they weren't

[00:59:19] really sure that was a track that could even be a you know career but turns out it is so thankfully um

[00:59:26] and uh let's see I've worked on a ton of Marvel stuff in the last few years so like all Disney

[00:59:31] Plus shows um I've worked on a Star Wars project I've worked on Academy Award-winning stuff

[00:59:38] uh one of James Cameron's underwater documentaries yeah that's right a lot of 3rd-year-old

[00:59:43] stuff and it's just so exciting to be able to work on big things that even my parents watch the

[00:59:49] theaters you know friends from high school still watch and if the question is what gets you out of

[00:59:55] bed at a day that's it like just being excited to work on big things and so proud of they come out

[01:00:01] and meant just pitch myself all the time. Nice very nice very nice so uh for this segment uh

[01:00:09] you know so many people want to talk about Shaz because how can you not? Shaz rules but um

[01:00:15] and I'm the one that got two suckers so listen up

[01:00:21] it's so much fun just doing these multiple segments and stitching them together

[01:00:25] when jaz gets brought up in conversation or just an a random movie group chat

[01:00:30] what jumps into your mind first thing um yeah the question dude jaz is such a strange franchise

[01:00:38] it's not like especially for the time right because you have a lot of franchises that are horror

[01:00:42] franchise that have super fans that eat it all up and they know every little bit about it right but

[01:00:48] jaz is different because it's like real mainstream franchise that I have to assume

[01:00:56] people weren't watching over and over and over again on on tape yet right because of the time it came out

[01:01:01] yeah yeah that's a good question I would like to even just ask people out of the blue because

[01:01:07] I'm sure many of them yeah and maybe not from five more years but here's my theory why is because

[01:01:15] all these movies like retread themselves over and over right and the timeline between the ball

[01:01:21] makes no sense the continuity between any of them makes no sense and yet they're they're also

[01:01:26] supposed to fit together because they keep wanting to remind you of the first one because the first

[01:01:31] one is so good and the second one is not quite there the third one is really bad the fourth one

[01:01:38] is on abomination but so fun to watch anyways and they just keep trying to cash in on but remember the

[01:01:46] first jaz how great it was in fact even in the fourth one they're like flashing back to the first one

[01:01:52] to events that none of these characters were at they have memories of but they know you were there

[01:01:58] and I have to imagine it's because I was there when the towers fell yeah I have to imagine it's because

[01:02:04] people go to the theater and they don't really remember it that well interesting just just enough

[01:02:09] that they want to go see another shark movie you know I would hope back in the day before waiting for

[01:02:17] a Sunday night CBS TV movie was the thing that back in the day they would have wanted to

[01:02:23] go see it multiple times in theaters yeah but I wasn't alive so I don't know maybe it like came

[01:02:30] back to theaters once in a while yeah jerry rayon and he said he saw it in the driving with his parents but

[01:02:37] I don't think multiple times but yeah I mean I'm sure it was a big thing if once it hit the movie

[01:02:42] channels back in the day yeah maybe I don't know it's just a weird weird time love that I got

[01:02:49] made fun of it back to the future and then when I do like do the exact thing you know like jump

[01:02:56] the shark yeah literally jump to the shark before we were nukin the fridges we jump the shark

[01:03:05] how what do we get into our favorite our favorite scenes now okay because one of my favorite

[01:03:10] scenes is when Mandy Moore is trapped in the cage at the bottom of the ocean that's 40

[01:03:15] seven years down oh sorry oh so sorry okay next favorite next favorite scene Sam Jackson gives us

[01:03:24] incredible speech and shark jumps out of the water it eats his head off we're talking about

[01:03:30] John's free surely oh no we're talking about the movie that reference to just Josh's free and people

[01:03:34] see let's see you probably talk about all the all the ones in jaws won already right no

[01:03:45] okay opening st classic right oh let's see this now you see this you see this as a kid and you're like oh

[01:03:55] oh she naked she naked but you can't because it's really shadowy this red pg's real safe but man that's

[01:04:05] scary so see her like it show something all right oh really I haven't checked that but it's

[01:04:13] still super scary don't see her get thrown around like that I don't know if we've seen that in a

[01:04:18] movie before that time right good question I'm sure there's a video nasty or slosh your

[01:04:25] other somewhere that's more graphic but I know I'm sure Jerry on gentle is done way more colorful

[01:04:32] yeah yeah you might be right just the you know the thing that jaws is really good at those come

[01:04:37] out with the imagery that you don't really see the violence a lot of times we didn't know that it's

[01:04:43] but it's awesome too yeah just how your mind works places you don't want it to go I mean I'll

[01:04:50] I have to be careful with what I watch with family they you know whenever we watch any of these

[01:04:54] gangster or cops and rovers shows there'll be moments where they're like aha he just got stabbed

[01:05:00] in the neck I'm like no come on that's your mind it's clearly holding a knife up to his or her neck

[01:05:05] right right some people get more sensitive and just impose a lot of it is the sound or the music

[01:05:13] I think a lot and have the time it seems to even be an edit like it's the foley I think really

[01:05:20] unnerved people right I have a I accuse one of my family members is always emotionally losing it

[01:05:27] anytime there's piano they don't believe me but without fail snap your fingers if there's piano

[01:05:33] they start tearing up I'm like hey okay they've been trained that's funny

[01:05:42] just guys talk about the the kid copying Brody scene classic and not as much as we would like to

[01:05:51] I'm down here you're take on that it's uh I don't know here's the here's the deal I don't know

[01:05:56] what that scene is doing in this movie because it's too good for a shark movie you know what I mean

[01:06:02] like this is what makes just but this is what makes jaz special because any a lack of lesser director would

[01:06:09] just cut that but we leave it in it's so great yeah I think he just wanted to give life to the town

[01:06:16] but much like I noted how the stupid boyfriend who's trying to get laid with the first victim

[01:06:23] isn't a longer focused on because it's not his story right any other filmmaker would have

[01:06:28] be elongated him made it be a whiny soapy plot device yeah good and like I don't want to follow

[01:06:34] this asshole I know he's a shitbag I want to follow them hunting the shark

[01:06:39] all right good plan yeah no I think that in a lesser filmmaker they would have had it go on and

[01:06:47] felt like an extended college humor skit back in the day I think he just wanted to show hey there's

[01:06:53] some pranksters and other people's but in basically you can put it in front without feeling like

[01:07:01] it's a hack job or a pointless scene is like yeah no they're they're just pretty much shit talking

[01:07:09] going bananas in the town and kids you know kids will be kids just like they got squirt guns and

[01:07:16] everything out and this thing they got toy sharks and yeah yeah yeah bring some people causing

[01:07:22] okay that brings me to my next favorite one uh is that scene but when you see the shark like

[01:07:27] underneath the guy kind of sideways you know what you know the part I'm talking about oh it's so

[01:07:33] creepy okay so this is this I think the scariest scene in all of the jaws franchise just that shot

[01:07:39] right there terrified me as a kid it's definitely creepy you just see the outline and then he gets

[01:07:45] tugged under and oh man it's so big and they're so close to the kids yeah that doesn't for me

[01:07:52] do you have a favorite scary scene in all these uh it's it's definitely when the head floats to

[01:07:58] the surface oh yeah okay doing the underwater dive you think the whole time one of them is going

[01:08:03] to get picked off by the shark is like nope the shark's waiting for the met see

[01:08:09] got it yeah no one at that moment I'm not sure who's shot screaming more Richard

[01:08:13] dry fists than that scene or us the eyes right right right we talked about the hunters we talked

[01:08:20] about the music I just love how again Lauren Gray is so wonderful as Mrs. Brody because

[01:08:28] anyone out like and just she pretty much gives him a stern you get back here as opposed to a

[01:08:35] please don't go no dance or talk no yeah yeah any other filmmaker would have just hired their

[01:08:41] girlfriend or boy yeah girlfriend to play the female lead or just make sure they look she looked

[01:08:48] busty as opposed to much of an actress but yeah this was not a this wasn't like how you see with

[01:08:54] some filmmakers like yeah Clint Eastwood does with his girlfriend at the time saw her look where it's

[01:08:59] like okay I know you're Michael Bay oh geez yeah Michael Bay or total objectification right every

[01:09:06] other filmmaker who wants to unintentionally exploit there yeah that's a good point she definitely

[01:09:13] looks like a bomb and she's not a pushover she's like serious series business okay so what's your

[01:09:18] thoughts on her character then for the whole series you know I can glad you brought that up I would

[01:09:26] argue she's like the only thing the sequels got right like I get her hated you know follow up part

[01:09:32] freeze kind of a trashy amusing movie in part four is often you know considered unwatchable but

[01:09:39] it seems like they understood her character and where her journey would go and she was still

[01:09:44] dedicated to doing a good job it just was one of those it's just the material was just beneath

[01:09:49] everybody yeah okay all right fair that's a fair point I didn't have any notes from her on all the

[01:09:54] steps because it's not like with Deshwiss where you're seeing Charles Brown some getting even more

[01:09:58] and more tired and to sin arrested yeah yeah it's not like 30 Harry where they're coming up with

[01:10:06] even the lamar serial killers and mad bombers and gunmen for him to off it's not even like James

[01:10:14] Bond where the actor just wants to hang it up but right is being out acted by a very hammy

[01:10:20] Shakespearean actor who doesn't take the material as serious as hell yeah yeah good boy just

[01:10:25] he was the one that's just over into like cartoon territory for me like just a little bit

[01:10:33] not believable but still still fun enough that I'd like have a good time like when a shark eats

[01:10:40] a helicopter like okay come on but I kind of like it people down that whole helicopter

[01:10:49] that's great um what's the woman who dumps gas on herself by accident she's trying to dump gas

[01:10:57] a shark that lights the flare and then lights herself fire about cheese

[01:11:03] we got about that so goofy music to play during that one because that's out of control um okay what do

[01:11:09] you think is this a different shark you have an opinion on this oh they totally are different shark

[01:11:15] or same shark they got to be because it wouldn't make sense for them to come back to life but they're

[01:11:19] definitely from the same hive yeah okay I got you but I was a kid I always thought it was the same

[01:11:25] the same shark it regenerated like Jason well I thought maybe the explosion wasn't that bad

[01:11:32] and like he's lifted through somehow or I don't mean so one should chunky pieces what at the camera

[01:11:37] yeah me too jose 3 is a fun watch but it is bananas right yeah tell me about it okay real quick let me

[01:11:48] go over the timeline for you 1975 the oldest brother is Michael Brody he's 13 years old

[01:11:54] Shauna six years old and jose number one got it I know so yeah jose part two 1978 takes place three

[01:12:02] years later Michael Brody 17 he's in the movie as a teenager right got a new actor playing him not

[01:12:08] that anyone would notice Matt has caught watch this oh yeah okay 19 a very very confused when I

[01:12:16] re-solve a few years back I was like wait oh yeah he's related wait that's oh oh what oh okay

[01:12:22] I guess so all right part three 1983 takes place uh five years after part two Michael Brody is now

[01:12:30] 22 he's being played by Dennis Quaid yes yeah he's the Cite one Megan he's the freaking lead

[01:12:38] engineer at sea world at age 22 how does that happen did he go get a master's degree in college

[01:12:45] and the last two years and now he's in charge of this whole park come on the 22-year-olds are the

[01:12:52] ones water skiing out there standing on each other's shoulders not in charge of the park I can't

[01:12:57] believe it yeah okay and Shauna the little brother should be 14 years old at this time

[01:13:04] and he's like skinny dipping with Lea Thompson now way it doesn't make any sense how did they even

[01:13:11] fit this into the cannon of jose the jose cannon 19 okay part four I'm gonna skip ahead 1987

[01:13:19] takes place four years later Michael Brody's now 26 years old he's married he has a five-year-old

[01:13:27] child who must have been alive in part three because that was only four years ago he had a girlfriend

[01:13:33] of part three different than his wife it's almost like they they wanted to pretend part three never

[01:13:40] existed like it didn't happen which I guess I could buy that but then why am I watching

[01:13:45] just three okay anyways yeah it just says how much the writers cared uh I it's because I think

[01:13:53] that there were no fans who were sitting around like trying to figure out you know the continuity of

[01:13:57] high-pitched workers people with money saying we need to make another job movie okay jostry

[01:14:03] famously is a 3d movie I don't know if you notice that can't did you know that this was 3d

[01:14:10] yeah yes I did I remember that could you tell because of all the arms slowly floating into

[01:14:16] the screen or I mean much like many of these effects oh anytime they throw it at you towards

[01:14:24] the screen that's like the oldest trick in the book for free so so slowly too it's like hey look at this

[01:14:29] there's not and I think the biggest problem is it doesn't move the story along you just stop it all

[01:14:35] that it all uh part of me is sad that I'm never gonna watch this 3d because I wonder what it's like

[01:14:40] yeah it's more trouble than it's worth you know it's kind of one of those where

[01:14:44] it's like you want to get high but the drugs are too expensive and they don't they don't

[01:14:51] set in fast enough so it's like it's not all you time suck it's not all you imagine it would be

[01:14:58] it's like going through I don't know a 20 season show but it doesn't take off until three seasons

[01:15:05] in you're like yeah no too much trouble yeah right after really like these characters or

[01:15:10] I've seen clubs a bit before to really um this uh uh sea world place okay I know there's

[01:15:16] clearly no actual care for marine life at the sea world it's like way way over oceans

[01:15:22] yeah the safety standards are out the watching on this that being said I really really want to

[01:15:28] visit this place it seems so crazy right like water skiing like we don't have anymore

[01:15:35] underwater tunnels underwater dinner man it's just crazy it's like we got an access

[01:15:42] it's just the best and I wish I could go there to just visit it for us I want to know how much

[01:15:46] this place costs there pink so many people man okay Leah Thompson great in this movie right

[01:15:56] cute I'm totally in love with her uh love that I've ever seen on the beach where they like

[01:16:01] steal away and go swimming together and love it maybe this connects the back to the future verse

[01:16:06] yeah that's right I mean that movie too uh she gets she gets bit in the leg right

[01:16:13] believe so yeah I recall and disappears from this movie she lives but she disappears and it makes me

[01:16:18] so sad like man you gotta keep her in the movie one of the best parts yeah and Lewis Gosta Jr is

[01:16:24] kind of trying to really add some emphasis on his administrative character but you just he's not really

[01:16:31] well utilized like he and Quaid are in enemy mind the following year yeah yeah good point uh okay for some

[01:16:39] reason I have this memory of the baby shark always like really scared me I know it's a puppet but

[01:16:44] it was so like disturbing to me really you have the same experience I remember the eyes being so like

[01:16:53] I don't know dead I mean it can vary there are some practical effects that aren't very creepy

[01:17:01] I found uh you know the original alien and charmer in real creepy grown up that still

[01:17:07] you get to affect him you know it's just yeah it's not about it not being alive it was just weird

[01:17:15] the big finish to this uh movie is the shark swimming super slow towards the screen

[01:17:23] right a glass glass window just guys talking about that uh we we did not so I feel I feel like

[01:17:29] Jim Wynorski and some of these other schlock filmmakers working for Roger Corbyn get some

[01:17:34] inspiration watching this one it's like the scene of Austin Powers what he's like screaming out of

[01:17:39] the stop but he's coming so slow yeah the cement trunk yeah everyone's just everyone's just

[01:17:43] watching it come but they're all like no what are you doing get out why don't you do it get out of there

[01:17:50] big sense sense what's sense favorite favorite ending to all the jaws movies is when uh

[01:18:01] Dennis Quayton and his girl are swimming and the dolphins jump up midair freeze frame

[01:18:07] classic 80s finish freeze frame of the air except this is dolphins and then some weird 80s theme

[01:18:12] starts playing it's exactly what happens fade off at the sunset okay you got a favorite you got a

[01:18:17] favorite just three moment i i i i love how the Wisconsin juniors trying to call everyone down at a

[01:18:25] meeting and failing to do so properly like call me over call down or we're going to go down we got

[01:18:31] this under control it's not under control okay no you're not buying what I'm selling out like I better go

[01:18:37] and start swimming in there with Dennis something i don't think anyone would have in their contract

[01:18:43] I think no in real life they would be like i'm out i'm stepping down you can handle my mess

[01:18:49] yeah exactly

[01:18:54] all right i went on to jaws 4 real quick

[01:18:58] i'd be a fast one can you blow so many flashbacks at this just feel desperate because they just

[01:19:03] our desperate are mind you of the first movie how great it was always blew my mind that people

[01:19:09] having memories of events they were there for they even do like the little kid copying scene over again

[01:19:16] right is better the first time guys yeah let's see uh the shark follows them to the Bahamas

[01:19:29] I could never get over that how about the time work for you yeah i'm sure no one knows how to

[01:19:36] do math another offender it kind of reminds me of oh what's the one uh that one

[01:19:45] TV show Ray Donovan where everyone's going back and forth between LA and New York like it's

[01:19:50] nothing and you're like yeah yeah it takes way way longer to get there but imagine an animal

[01:19:56] edible swimming all the way down the coast it's still fighting you at the Bahamas

[01:20:01] because it spells their blood or something my favorite may be seen of this whole movie is the banana boat

[01:20:12] i'm totally forgot about that i even forgot that Karen Young from a young young Karen Young from

[01:20:18] the sopranos the blonde FBI gal is also in here is one of the kids oh i was one of the kids i didn't

[01:20:23] realize that um i feel like these banana boat things aren't really around anymore and i have to

[01:20:30] believe it's because of this movie it's so weird though that they mentioned that Brody has died

[01:20:35] of a heart attack it's like well because they couldn't get him back no way i know but what a random

[01:20:42] cop out i'll excuse alien free but when you just have our beloved hero is like why you've

[01:20:47] been mentioning them at all i would assume i would have read her just as soon he had moved away retired

[01:20:53] and they divorced so much he well she she needed a reason to move on because she's fallen in love with

[01:20:59] somebody else so yeah i guess they go down to divorce but then it ruins you know what a lot of this

[01:21:04] movie ruins the first movie he really does such a shame um he i guarantee you he got paid for this

[01:21:12] though because he's in it so much he's almost a side character right i can't show it his face

[01:21:19] uh yeah okay let's see banana boats don't exist anymore because this movie i'm sure of it uh oh

[01:21:25] i love one microk you think he dies the first time he's like standing on the wing with the plane

[01:21:31] at the water he's shattering at something and then the shark pops up he's like oh shit

[01:21:37] he just disappears i'm like oh there he goes he's gone no he's not he's okay actually everyone makes

[01:21:43] it out of this movie except for uh little shun he's dead early uh does the shark roar in the

[01:21:52] up yeah absolutely roars okay man i couldn't remember that i noticed it on this one and i thought

[01:21:57] is that shark roaring do sharks do that i don't think they do um but i will say

[01:22:05] the wide shots of the shark like pop it okay he has this thing where he's like

[01:22:09] flashing e-m-p's at it or something right to the stupid and every time he does that the shark is like

[01:22:16] swimming closer to them but it's a really really wide shot and the shark is kind of tiny out in the water

[01:22:22] and every time he pops up it is kind of scary that image to me like it's getting closer and closer and closer

[01:22:28] this size of that I mean i maybe just get a good sense of how big it is

[01:22:32] but that image is kind of like memorable for me

[01:22:39] yeah and then i put Jake i can't believe he lives he's alive to this even when they're saving him after

[01:22:45] the sharks did i love how so much blood around him like dude you're can't be awake right now

[01:22:51] yeah and the independent apparently noted Michael small the composer and he said he produced a fine

[01:22:57] score in the circumstances as if anyone noticed nice good line okay you got a joss for him how about

[01:23:06] what are we done i think you have we have jumped the shark i think you have so fun oh my last

[01:23:13] my last pair oh shoot i forgot the favorite my favorite other scene was uh when there's a tornado

[01:23:19] and the sharks all get picked up and dropped on Los Angeles which which one was that

[01:23:27] that shark nato come on shark nato sorry yeah you'll find this interesting the joss foreign

[01:23:33] halalization implies that there's a lot of voodoo directing this shark to do all this revenge oh jeez

[01:23:40] can you imagine had they actually hit the home on that more that would that's like chucky level

[01:23:45] yeah yeah i guess that's the route you go yeah do you make this shark like almost magical or do you make it

[01:23:53] sci-fi it's up to 19 however a journalist reviewing it called it a fast moving and vivid read

[01:24:00] reading it higher than the ash will movie while another critic was not so pleased by it the Miami

[01:24:09] Harrow called it the literary equivalent of a sausage ouch how many joss books were there do we know that

[01:24:16] uh i think just those four the first move was based on the book of the same name and then they

[01:24:22] adapt to nullizations of the sequels oh i see i see okay so the original or spover connection and

[01:24:27] i'm Jackson numerous times i'm like surely spover went to set a few times to offer suggestions like nope

[01:24:32] it just uh like probably the only franchise he wanted nothing to do with he was helping out

[01:24:40] transposers catch and check as an exec producer yeah yeah probably going to the media except but not

[01:24:47] one anything to do with that utter universal venture yeah good point you can really turn his back on

[01:24:53] anything else quite so bad didn't you can't think of anything else yeah i well and i think because

[01:24:58] the experience hearted him so much white wood you want to revisit that now yeah yeah yeah yeah

[01:25:03] days of trotting and rinsar from the class quarter yes intersigory segment talking nothing but

[01:25:14] Bruce the shark thank you very much for having me once again on your show i love this show because you

[01:25:21] talk about so many interesting topics i love all the movies that you've got so glad you picked

[01:25:25] me for jaws because i don't know if you know my history of watching this movie when it came out in

[01:25:31] June of 1975 it made you oh yeah i was seven years old when it came out and my father i used to

[01:25:40] keep track all the movies i've ever seen when i was little and i remember we saw jaws my family and

[01:25:45] 17 times in the theater that year i remember going to drive it was all a bunch i didn't know was that many

[01:25:52] i so i have a i have a document and it's funny because i actually found it the the books are

[01:25:57] a little binder when i'm when i was moving i was like oh my god i still have this and it says like

[01:26:02] June 30 June 30th 1975 rich saw jaws with mommy daddy it's hilarious and so but it's funny because

[01:26:12] i saw the movie and then year overdeers i met the cast had one of them on my show all very nice people

[01:26:20] let's have some other ones on the show so it's great actually meeting the people that you know i grew up

[01:26:25] watching but that movie had a profound impact not only on me but in so many people it's really

[01:26:30] the first major blockbuster ever made first movie to make over a hundred million dollars until

[01:26:34] Star Wars came along two years later right so on her to them yeah so well all right let me ask you

[01:26:41] then when since i saw it when it first came out i was old enough for that when did you first see it

[01:26:46] how old were you i definitely was in my teens i had seen part of part two on tnt and i i went on to

[01:26:54] you know it was on a mc tv all the time and i thought it was very well earned you know i never

[01:27:01] when watching older movies i never had any reservations about their place in cinema history

[01:27:10] like i was pretty much very easily entertained by it it was just as advertised yeah

[01:27:16] yeah well thing that i love about the movie is that i just saw it again at the drive-in they

[01:27:22] pledge show it once a year at the drive-in where i live really really make it yeah and the movie is

[01:27:27] funny i was now rated up what was that yeah when you rereleased it often has it

[01:27:32] our rating oh really well it was funny the the motion the mpa was a lot less strict back then or

[01:27:39] it definitely would have been our back that was only pg when it first came out in 1975

[01:27:44] but it's funny because i i mean the if you read the book did you ever have chance to read the book

[01:27:51] i didn't read the book i we were talking about some of the novelizations and how some of them

[01:27:56] actually make the lackluster sequels make better since yeah well no the book i knew the book was

[01:28:03] mixed but it was still it was a big bestseller and yeah yeah it was all went deeper on what's in the

[01:28:11] book kind of ironically the knockoff well yeah go i i love piranha right now everybody does i mean

[01:28:18] that's what for the jodante spielberg family but it's just funny how it took that to kind of get

[01:28:23] people out of the their shells and realize oh you can be woody yeah well the book to me just

[01:28:30] i really don't even think peter benchley is that good of a writer i by remembering the book

[01:28:34] yeah it was kind of like half a steven king's adaptations where he's got a good idea but it's not

[01:28:39] always well executed yep well i can tell you because i know the book so well we're

[01:28:45] hoopers having an affair with brodie's wife uh the mayor vwon is involved with the mafia

[01:28:52] grade start yeah it's just there's so much more drum and swedish spielberg did still bird carol got

[01:28:58] leave it all out they yeah they were writing they didn't even have a script they didn't even have

[01:29:03] actors they were writing the movie every night somebody would say well where do we get my lines

[01:29:07] like well we're writing them tonight we'll give them to you tomorrow they were just writing as

[01:29:11] they were filming they were so over budget the shark i mean there's a whole documentary called

[01:29:17] the shark is not working then because that's all you used to hear yeah i'm the beach like the

[01:29:21] walkie talkie if you ever to dress the shark it's still not working but that actually worked in

[01:29:27] their favor because they had to film around that and steven's spielberg is a huge hitchcock fan so

[01:29:34] hitchcock is more anyone else would have just shipped themselves to be like what what yeah well that's

[01:29:39] why i like this spielberg was only 27 years old when he was making this movie and he even he said he

[01:29:43] goes i don't think i would ever make this movie i used there was two things that helped me

[01:29:48] make this movie being naive and being stupid and being young being stupid naive and young those

[01:29:54] three things it's i wouldn't think i'd ever because like he date i can't imagine the world without him

[01:30:00] what was that i can't imagine the world without him oh i know but you imagine like just steven

[01:30:05] just saying you know what i'm done i just got one movie in me right now well you first

[01:30:11] the reason he got this one was because he came out with a tv movie called duo which i love that

[01:30:16] right by Richard Matheson who's one of my favorite writers all these universal tv movies of the

[01:30:21] week and he i mean that that's kind of the other interesting thing is all the directors picked for

[01:30:26] the sequels have all done competent work like uh the guy for part two had done stuff like

[01:30:33] cojags same thing with the guys who did part three and four they just pretty much were doing all

[01:30:37] this syndicated universal tv shows and this was their chance to make it big well you know it's funny

[01:30:44] speaking of that spielberg got to start directing tv shows like night gallery he also did a columbo

[01:30:51] episode the night gallery episode is funny because he was doing a show called eyes and it was

[01:30:57] originally supposed to start betty davis and betty davis said there's no way i'm working with a boy

[01:31:02] that is this young so if you know the history of jone croffa and betty davis jone croffa

[01:31:10] said probably do it because she hated betty davis i mean the whole whatever happened to baby jane

[01:31:16] is very much for those two hate each other and two very meta yeah and you get so happy was but she did

[01:31:21] the episode that episode one uh what's an Emmy for best whatever it was at the time onward of today

[01:31:30] yeah so she won so i loved the fact that bett davis refused to work with spielberg because he was

[01:31:35] only 21 years old at time so he did he did stuff like that and then that's when he saw the script

[01:31:40] on universal lot and they knew something big was coming out because Peter benched he just released

[01:31:44] that novel in 74 and they said all right we gotta we gotta do something with this and he'll

[01:31:49] let me do it and they really didn't know why him at all and i don't know how many times he was

[01:31:54] threatened to be fired he was so over budget he couldn't get anything done but i love the fact that he

[01:31:59] is like you said he stuck with it they kept on going at it he said i didn't have didn't have a

[01:32:04] chance to have fun he owes there's Richard Dreffers who's my age 27 years old he's out there partying

[01:32:09] getting bringing him back a new woman every night there i am writing a script daily with Carl

[01:32:14] Gowling did so he did the juror he did odd couple so many different things he also played meadows in

[01:32:20] the movie uh unsright yeah there was a sick um start yep so he he played meadows in the movie but then

[01:32:28] in the book meadows was i had a much bigger part and he said the worst part of writing that screenplay

[01:32:35] was cutting my character out of that but it they went with less is more there was so much less you

[01:32:40] have to have that point just to get it done man yeah i see so many other people who just want to talk

[01:32:47] shit about the shark and it's like well see internet memes are not criticism but you see so many

[01:32:54] this like that's the final word i'm like oh no we're just gonna start it here i can tell you

[01:32:59] i saw the movie when it first came out in the theaters and including my mother when the shark jumps

[01:33:05] on the boat and grabs Quinn and mother jumped out of her seat and screamed not she wasn't the only

[01:33:12] one people were screaming people are a little covering their eyes so that i don't care i mean

[01:33:18] maybe people that are young and see like oh it looks so fake or this and that i really don't think

[01:33:23] so and that will be a touch and impact for people who are afraid to go into the ocean not me i was just

[01:33:28] a supernatural shark it's not a real real shark like a shark you and i see today and every day and

[01:33:34] it's just like what do you guys want like why are you bashing this why i i think it's way better

[01:33:42] and more realistic than meg i did not like meg it all i thought that was just stupid i know that

[01:33:47] makes sense because that movie is i don't get it oh it's one the it's to me like one of the best

[01:33:53] movies made of all time it's such a great character study you mean you have quint you have hoopry

[01:33:59] of brody of mayor vah and just so many great characters and i just and it was very very well

[01:34:06] acted and when he watched a movie it's just i said i've seen a movie at least a hundred times

[01:34:12] probably more and every time i watch i'm still not bored by it i still you know love the you know

[01:34:19] another thing that makes the movie is the music john Williams to me is my all time favorite

[01:34:24] proposal we pretty much summed it up like it's just you can't have not have that music in there

[01:34:29] like what would you have in there piano or elevator music no no no no well you know it's funny uh

[01:34:38] was watching a documentary in john Williams and he said the first time um he showed spielberg

[01:34:44] the theme for jaws spielberg thought he was kidding he was right no we're still going

[01:34:48] he didn't dig at first but then then then you know then he said i thought he was gonna break

[01:34:54] in like exactly he said spielberg so i thought he was gonna break into some bait hove and some

[01:34:58] Mozart some classical music but that's his but that is those two notes are so effective and scared

[01:35:06] yeah so many people and if you watch the movie the music is great like especially when they're on

[01:35:11] the ocean and they're chasing the shark and it's just just the music and they're chasing the barrels

[01:35:17] i love that sound i when i was at that of like seven my brothers were a little bit younger so we'd

[01:35:22] all buy a soundtrack one brother had star wars i had jaws the other one had close encounters

[01:35:27] how sweet yeah i just the music i mean whenever somebody says oh classical music is boring yeah watch

[01:35:34] a movie without music and tell me how boring it is and john lambs is the master of that i mean

[01:35:39] there's so many great composers out there but without even spielberg said he goes i wouldn't be

[01:35:45] anybody without john lambs john lambs is done i think all mostly all this music yeah i think

[01:35:51] you're just one or two but people are saying those sometimes it's like i see you you cannot take today's

[01:35:59] reality in compared to to to what we have now or with the 70s it's a whole different

[01:36:07] fall apart yeah well you know and i i prefer and i don't think i'm being nostalgic when i say it

[01:36:14] i like i mentioned mega so i would see jaws anytime over mega i thought mega the special effects

[01:36:20] were great but the story was just stupid the acting really wasn't that good this is just my opinion

[01:36:25] other people made me disagreed with me but i yeah no if it goes into deep hurting territory then it's

[01:36:31] not yeah it's not fun like i i met jo hill several times who was steven king sun and he said we were

[01:36:38] talking about that he says jaws is my all-time favorite movie and i just met i just interviewed Paul

[01:36:42] Tremblay who i mentioned off the air i said he and my shaman did his book cabin at the end of the

[01:36:47] world was called knock at the cabin in theaters but he goes yeah he goes jaws still scares the shit out

[01:36:54] of me so people that i mean these people that are now in the industry writing stuff and making

[01:37:01] their own things you are worried heavily influenced by that movie and what it became yeah but i see

[01:37:08] other guys you're just snobby like yeah older movies don't mean shit to them unless it's brought up

[01:37:14] in a torrentino interview and it's like a mile word come on i know yeah i can't think of that to

[01:37:21] make it matter to you see i i go by i never ever go by if it's popular now actually if i like it

[01:37:30] could be the worst people would say it's the worst movie in the world of my you know what i love

[01:37:33] it i don't care what are you gonna do yeah we're when we were off the air there was so many movies

[01:37:37] that you and i talked about that most people would say this is shit why would you even want to watch

[01:37:42] that and we love it i love the jowls i love the Italian gore a lot of people i talked to

[01:37:48] oh my god that's stupid but i don't care and i mean i had somebody watch phantasm recently

[01:37:54] and they were doing some people at some of these conventions we've been to we've been fortunate

[01:37:57] for the most part but everyone's while we encounter some real snobbs and like why are you here if

[01:38:02] you don't want to be here no one's forcing you to come here i hate that yeah i talk shit to a celebrity

[01:38:07] i mean oh i know why would you pay fifty bucks just to bully them i know i don't understand that

[01:38:16] either and just go away we'll get to be mad towards some i we talked about this too and i think

[01:38:21] i might show where some celebrities don't want to talk about what they're most known for and the one

[01:38:27] i'm gonna tell you about yeah is linda blare she i don't want to talk about the actress this then

[01:38:33] what are you here for i don't really care about your uh she does she does great work for uh

[01:38:38] saving dogs i'm happy she does that but we're not here to talk about that i'm here because you play

[01:38:43] your head spun around and you uh shoved the cruiser fix up he was gonna never talk about the first

[01:38:49] twenty times what changed yeah she it's funny because i met her years ago and i used to be in radio

[01:38:56] and she did a bumper from his like oh you're listening to rich seared he really makes my headspin

[01:38:59] she was laughing about it she did some great bumpers but then late the last couple years she's

[01:39:06] been really snobbish is it really i was just surprised and i wasn't the only one i did a couple

[01:39:11] interviews with people and people without even knowing the story they're like you know

[01:39:15] when one celebrity i can't stand and everybody brought up linda blare i said so it wasn't just me

[01:39:20] that had that same experience i did i have to say i did meet Richard dryfist i interviewed

[01:39:27] Jeffrey kramer i met Susan backlinny i met um which was one of the greatest i think production

[01:39:35] designers ever is joe alves that guy did so much for the movie he helped design a shark

[01:39:40] he um directed we directed my mind to hear more about yeah yeah no joe alves got to check it out he

[01:39:46] he he did it product i mean two of you like i think i've wrapped the back because we're in the 70s

[01:39:51] where jaws and closing counters but he's done so many he directed one of the jaws is i can't

[01:39:55] remember which one i think i might have been jaws three but that sounds right because the other ones

[01:40:02] had like reparts their name parts of everything yeah well the funniest out of the whole

[01:40:09] jaws franchise is jaws or events where the shark the shark fouls them from the from

[01:40:16] Cape Cod to the Bahamas then Helen Brodie's having memories of her husband killing a shark

[01:40:23] oh yeah she's got memories of where she wasn't even there how do you have memories of your husband

[01:40:27] killing the shark you weren't even there you were at home while he was on on the orca

[01:40:32] there was just a horrible horrible movie oh yeah how no what studio executives looked at that said

[01:40:39] oh yeah we got ourselves to hate here but you know what it's even worse now Kevin Smith talks about

[01:40:43] this all the time he says they could care less about the content of the movie all he wants name

[01:40:49] recognition gets asses in the seats they make their money and then by the time that people realize

[01:40:54] it sucks they already have a new movie in there uh two thousand dock DVD special features just

[01:41:00] don't hold up for me because half the time like the producers are giving very predictable answers

[01:41:04] and the actors are in promotion modes so it's hard to even tell if they even have any commitment to

[01:41:09] it or if they're just you know in brand ambassador mode and like come on guys I can see through this

[01:41:16] yeah that's just unfortunately that's why i love watching more of the low budget independent

[01:41:24] movies like a 24 is a great studio I think they're making so many great movies and I was listening

[01:41:28] to it can be there's been some does from them that I can't stand but there are some good ones like

[01:41:34] Florida project and some other tricky horror movies well then like everything everywhere all

[01:41:39] once I love that movie and i'm so excited stuff uh then you would love the farewell

[01:41:44] I gotta check that out I never saw that up with the one uh so a chinese family goes back to their

[01:41:49] homeland country to deal with the death of a relative and it kind of it pulls them out of their

[01:41:56] shell like they all start opening up to each other oh i got you what's called the farewell

[01:42:02] yeah the the farewell it's kind of like the joyluck club minus growing up and

[01:42:08] segregated parts of america but it's similar in that they're they're embracing their cultural

[01:42:15] aspect of their heritage and their way of life and just seeing all these utter comedic and dramatic

[01:42:21] people just giving very unrecognizable performances all right well for checked out the reason I

[01:42:26] brought them up was because uh as I was telling you off to your I listened to an interview with the

[01:42:31] two guys two brothers a directed wrote and produced uh talk to me it's an Australian horror movie that

[01:42:38] I loved but they said that a 24 picked it up and they loved a 24 because it's one of the few studios

[01:42:44] that let's let's do a chance they carplunch they could do whatever they want they're like you know

[01:42:49] what it's your movie you make the movie you want and he said every other studio they talk to

[01:42:54] turn them down because they didn't want what they want yeah that's why I brought a 24 up so

[01:43:00] I mean of course every studio is going to make notes but I love the fact that they're giving people

[01:43:03] chances and they're letting them do what they want instead of just a surprise prize and line

[01:43:10] yeah well I mean everything is so generic now you get the same types of characters same plot

[01:43:17] the same it's just nothing's really surprising or different maybe that's why this movie threw me

[01:43:21] because it for a genre that's so hard to be original I thought it was original but hey back to

[01:43:28] jaws so uh originally um and I'm sure you know I mean I've read the jaws log on I mean

[01:43:34] sometimes I have a whole table I gotta find this one I'm so mad I lost it when I went to a

[01:43:39] jaws convention couple years ago they have like a tabletop book and has so many great pictures

[01:43:45] and stories near that uh but I gotta tell you let me let's talk about the who they want

[01:43:51] at first and then I'm on getting to like like originally Charlton Heston was supposed to play Brody

[01:43:58] yeah I can't see that I get it he was the go-to at the time and he had his I mean

[01:44:04] plenty of the Aves there's no shortage of creature features in his well so yeah well what he

[01:44:08] does feel or make great point goes I don't want an after who's bigger than a shark because I want

[01:44:13] that yeah I want more unknown to him right cider was known he was known more with uh for next

[01:44:18] year and he was also in uh what's the other he was in another uh freaking oh the sorcerer

[01:44:26] yeah you know it's funny doing my research because you and I are gonna be doing killer Joe which

[01:44:31] was another freaking movie and right cider played nap but he was right cider wanted the the role of

[01:44:38] father carous and the exorcist and he was going for it but then he saw this other guy

[01:44:43] um in a play they had uh Stacy Keach already signed he was ready to go and they would have been

[01:44:49] cool yeah but they he saw that he goes I don't care and the producers were like no you can't do that

[01:44:55] so they he goes I don't give a shit hey Stacy Keach what he needs you buy him out of his contract

[01:45:00] I want this guy and worked out well because the guy that played father carous really wasn't an

[01:45:04] actor and he's I really want more of an unknown they didn't want an unknown they want somebody with

[01:45:08] a name and but Roy Shider wanted that role so that's why he almost didn't want to do sorcerer because

[01:45:13] he was so pissed off at freaking yeah but he ended up doing it and he puts the uh

[01:45:18] and then it's just ironic he doesn't want to do the sequel but he comes back for part two and does

[01:45:22] a real good job but you would never know that uh for which one the uh for jobs too but it's so

[01:45:28] funny you would never know because he just is really giving on screen but you're like really he hated

[01:45:33] working on this wow I know he didn't know he he did either he liked working on jazza wasn't the one

[01:45:37] that really thought he hated that he couldn't get out of his contract for that I know no no no

[01:45:42] I'm talking about William Freakon um he okay so what he wanted to know I thought there was another movie

[01:45:49] he did maybe I'm thinking a sequest he hated the contract for that and he wanted to get out of it

[01:45:54] oh me yeah that might be that jazza I know he really didn't hate the one that thought it was going to

[01:45:57] be a turkey and he and he he wasn't blaming spielberg who was blaming universal because they were

[01:46:03] yeah I was ready to fight was Richard dryfish Richard dryfish captain it's good to win turkey the

[01:46:07] year award but you have to look at it this way it's like I mean without the all you're hearing

[01:46:12] the loud high drugs in a shark the shark's taken to the bottom of the ocean as soon as you put it

[01:46:17] in there there's no music there's no editing so you're seeing all this like this is kind of suck

[01:46:22] and back then they had CGI so they said they would try to set this shot but the water was so you

[01:46:28] know the waves were moving everything so they finally get set and soon as they'd start filming

[01:46:33] you'd see a sailboat go by so they have to stop filming they'd wait and wait wait you finally

[01:46:39] see the sailboat out of the picture and guess what they start filming you see the sailboat coming back

[01:46:44] and they said they went through so much that even spielberg said I would never ever do a movie like

[01:46:50] that ever again he was I was just young and stupid as I mentioned earlier yeah well so glad because

[01:46:55] the movie looks it's so much more genuine so much more realistic when it's on the ocean instead of

[01:47:02] in a tank I can't imagine anything being made like that today because now it's just so it's

[01:47:07] hard to get it to even you know work to begin with oh I know and back then Bob Maddie who did

[01:47:14] 20,000 leagues under to see they got him he did the uh not was a deat was in 20,000 leagues was

[01:47:20] deactyposed the serpent the whatever it was he made the Serenette movie yeah he made that monster

[01:47:26] in that movie so that's why they said let's get this guy he was he knows what he's doing and he

[01:47:31] he said but the problem was they never tested it in saltwater so as soon as they put it in the ocean

[01:47:37] boom sunk like a rock and they had so many other issues they had an orca that was supposed to sink

[01:47:43] in orca that was supposed to stay afloat the one that was supposed to stay afloat sunk where a couple

[01:47:48] of the actors almost drowned and there's this part in the book I was reading where they're trying

[01:47:52] to save the actors and one of the guys goes fuck the actor save the film because they had so

[01:47:59] no there was going to be loss oh man that movie was I mean people talk about curses on movies that

[01:48:06] movie went through so much so much shit and but as I I don't know if I if I mentioned it off

[01:48:13] to you everybody might have been on here where I said that because the shark didn't work I think it

[01:48:18] made a much better movie because unless you see less is less is more the less you see the shark built

[01:48:25] the suspense and you have combined with John William score it was just a great character study

[01:48:31] of three guys search for a monster not something you're gonna get nowadays now everyone's gonna be

[01:48:36] even ooh I saw that super bull at it broke the internet and followed by clickbait oh what does

[01:48:42] this Easter egg in this trailer mean and it's like and they're already outdated themselves before

[01:48:48] a movie even comes out and you know I don't know if you've heard this you want to talk universal

[01:48:53] I'm sure you've heard the story about the damn water world how it the set didn't actually sink

[01:49:00] according to a new UK documentary on the arrow rey but again the damage was done people were

[01:49:05] talking about it and wanted to shit on Kevin Costner who was full of himself back then and so

[01:49:12] it was dead on arrival before it even came out they were just like there's no way it's gonna be good

[01:49:17] and so it then when people talk enough shit it's almost as bad as info wars or AI you know

[01:49:24] even if it's not true they're gonna keep misconstruing it until the end of time

[01:49:30] no yeah nope I agree then and actually it's funny so I wonder what I enjoyed

[01:49:35] at the there wasn't the best movie in the world at the time was the most expensive movie ever made

[01:49:39] yeah it was fun but it was just it was just annoying to have to just kind of explain to people

[01:49:44] is like if you think that is bad no honey you have not seen too many things but

[01:49:50] uh but yeah yeah but like now if people hear about Annie disputes on a movie set like people are

[01:49:56] instantly like fired and utter shit and you're like really seriously well yeah look what happened

[01:50:01] in James gun a uh an email from 15 years prior yeah get some fired and I would love about that

[01:50:08] story is his cast said if he's gone we're gone and I loved the fact they stood behind him

[01:50:14] and they said all right we got to bring him back the only good thing that came out of that was

[01:50:17] while he was on hiatus after being fired he did uh blackburn which was a great movie they did

[01:50:24] with brother about an evil superman he's on the movie yeah yeah but unfortunately you have to

[01:50:32] I mean there's so much political correctness and you can't make anything that might offend one person

[01:50:38] it's just the movies I mean not everything there's some good stuff out there but there's

[01:50:41] so it has to like you say it has to have a name but like it's got an even worse to where it's like

[01:50:46] and they gotta be on camera frames or the Mandalorian like they have to be one of the top rated shows

[01:50:51] that broke the internet it can't just be someone who did an awesome show back in the 80s and is

[01:50:57] overdue for a comeback they they want in Charlton Heston they want sterling hate instead of

[01:51:03] Robert Shaw uh I'm not sure if you know who he is he was a big star in the 70s wasn't he

[01:51:11] was he on the streets of San Francisco or my think it's now you're thinking Mike

[01:51:15] Mike Franciscus or James Franciscus James Francis who played Charlton Heston's replacement

[01:51:21] oh this fucker this guy from asphalt jungle okay yes I have seen him more than I realized oh my god

[01:51:28] yes he's the police he's the crooked cop in the god oh wow yeah so they won him and I forgot what

[01:51:36] happened with him but they got Robert Shaw which was he was a huge actor time he did force 10th

[01:51:41] never-own he did black Sunday which was a great movie written by Tom Harris who did

[01:51:45] cannonball lector yeah he was he was a big actor but the funny thing is is he did not like Richard

[01:51:53] Driveus Valley thought Richard Driveus was a pompous kid who didn't know how to act all the

[01:51:58] cares I was partying so he said Richard Driveus said it was so unnerving because right before

[01:52:03] he was doing a scene he was like whisper make sure you don't fuck up your lines and that would just

[01:52:08] under he would do things that they said like a lot of the best guys in the world can't stop shit

[01:52:15] like that from going down you know yeah well the funny thing was is that that actually made the two

[01:52:21] roles better because if you notice all the animosity between Hooper and Quint a lot that was not fake

[01:52:26] that was a lot that was real because they did not get they didn't really get along but it worked

[01:52:31] out well for the movie and I guess like a lot of times they would be filming for 15-60 hours

[01:52:36] a day and they said the one sure way to get off the set early was to give Robert Shaw something

[01:52:43] to drink because Robert Shaw loved to get drunk on the set and he would be so much be slurred his

[01:52:48] words and you have to stop filming him wait till he sobered up and the one scene that can you imagine

[01:52:55] that now no I know I heard people who had worked on everything from like like they were like an

[01:53:04] assistant on like a Russell Crowe movie and he was too drunk to remember any quarent lines

[01:53:10] what you know who I'm sure you know who'd line change juniors he played the werewolf oh yeah

[01:53:15] love that dude they used to always he used to always say you don't film anything after three o'clock

[01:53:20] because that's when he started drinking like he was just I didn't hear about that I think you

[01:53:24] actually told me that yes yes there's a here are the other guys in the geracy the movie oh my god

[01:53:31] starts caring blood oh I'll have a read he's another one but when I talk to the guy I talked to

[01:53:38] the kid that was in that movie he said you know so you go drink everything on life but he come

[01:53:42] on the set bright and early and know all his lines he was great so some people could handle that

[01:53:46] I personally wouldn't be able to I'd be all too hungover I would be lying fucking concentrate

[01:53:51] but Robert Shaw definitely wasn't one of them and they said like during the the USS Indianapolis

[01:53:58] scene which the scene where he talks about which is a real life story the sharks attacked the

[01:54:03] great spade she rewrote can you imagine anyone doing that today now no they said Robert Shaw

[01:54:07] was a great writer that was another thing that he used but he originally he says in the scene

[01:54:12] quince supposed to be drunk I want to try and do it drunk and they say it was he was such a sloppy

[01:54:17] mess you're like we can't do and then Robert Shaw actually did apologize this bill because you know

[01:54:21] I'm sorry it didn't work so they did it again obviously when he was sober

[01:54:30] uh just the nerve man yeah yeah but it's like it's funny because like sometimes things like that

[01:54:38] make the movie better it's it's horrible to go through when you're trying to make it but when

[01:54:42] you see it finished proudly the whole animosity between Robert Shaw and Richard Dreyfiz worth it

[01:54:46] being angry for that 48 hours yeah and then the shark not working that made the movie better

[01:54:53] there's a I mean all these different things that happened and the one thing I think is

[01:54:58] is great like in the book we probably talked about this and hopefully it's not

[01:55:02] uh a spoiler alert the movie's been out for about 50 years seven years and the book

[01:55:10] the shark um just dies from pure tiredness where he and Brody is has his eyes open with that

[01:55:17] and his eyes are burning from the saltwater he's watching the shark sing because he can take it

[01:55:22] more and so Spielberg said nah we gotta do something so they in the movie obviously he takes the

[01:55:28] oxygen tank and blows it up so Peter eventually said there's no way anybody's gonna this is bullshit

[01:55:36] this Spielberg said I have him for an hour and 55 minutes trust me gonna use them they'll be there

[01:55:41] so at the one of the premieres that they had he said after the shark blew up everybody stood up

[01:55:47] standing ovation they sat down again the credits came up they stood up standing ovation for 10

[01:55:51] minutes again sat down again the credits ended another standing ovation and eventually went to

[01:55:56] Spielberg said you know what i'll never doubt you again i apologize but yeah like i said

[01:56:02] Peter benched me like my favorite book of his i didn't read a lot of his books but my favorite

[01:56:06] book of his was the deep and even then that wasn't really that good but he almost got to do

[01:56:11] it was a better movie than a movie yeah the movie was definitely way better but there's

[01:56:15] even in the book roamer tree which was another rubber shot character he dies he never find the evidence

[01:56:21] and i it's funny because a lot of times i do like movies would realistic endings but with movies

[01:56:26] like jaws and the deep i love closure yeah i just loved those you know the big explosion

[01:56:33] and you know it's funny with that we talked about duels the explosion of the shark all the same

[01:56:38] sounds are the same sounds of the of the car being uh the truck going off the cliff at the end of

[01:56:44] the duel sounds from that movie and pushed pushed over to jaws reversed it yep yep oh man

[01:56:54] so well before again i do have some stories about me and the cast but what's your favorite

[01:57:00] jaw story like what kind of impact it have on you as a teenager i'm heavily inspired by it because

[01:57:07] i just on how each time it's brought up like just how steven just learned how to mature on that day

[01:57:17] just not show that he was losing it anyone else would have probably like all these other people who

[01:57:24] have you know lost control their movie probably done a similar thing where they would have just

[01:57:28] given too many nodes back to the studio's act and that was their grounds for dismissal yeah

[01:57:34] yeah well you know it's like the two producers on this set were Richard Brown and David

[01:57:39] David no David Brown and Richard Zonin and yes one time Spielberg said i can't take any more of them

[01:57:45] sick of this i'm quitting and he said um David Brown and Richard Zonin had jaw shirts on they walked

[01:57:52] in there he knows that sort of like gave him hope he had it's all right he goes we're behind you

[01:57:57] universe like they're the producers but the universe was the one that was really trying to

[01:58:00] do what his studio had were trying to fire him and so he said that's sorry to re-energize them

[01:58:05] they went back and they because it was supposed to be maybe a 30 years ago he's going to be doing it

[01:58:09] talking this shit you know yeah exactly like he was working with actors that were in the business

[01:58:15] forever he just did what a couple tv shows like Colombo and Night Gallery did dual tv movie

[01:58:21] did certainly express that was really his only major feature so i mean and he's but he

[01:58:27] he kept control he knew exactly what he wanted and he went through with it but i saw the movie as

[01:58:34] i mentioned before i was seven years old so the only scene that scared the shit out of me was

[01:58:39] the uh bend gardener head in the boat scene where Hooper goes down there because he's fine thank

[01:58:43] gardeners boat and he finds a shark tooth and they're going through and the head pops out so any

[01:58:48] the 16 times after that i would always turn my head he said new it was coming so years let's

[01:58:54] let's uh flash forward to 2012 i met at johaz that's the martis van der were they filmed in the movie

[01:59:02] and i was wearing a shirt that had Hooper in occasion this woman convinced me she was oh that is

[01:59:06] a really cool shirt i liked that so thank you so we're talking for a while and somebody goes hey

[01:59:11] christie it's about to begin come on we got to go so i made a joke i said boy it seems like you know

[01:59:16] people i want to hang out with you she goes come on let's go so i get up to the front and the

[01:59:20] less side of me is deputy handrakes on the right side of me is Alex kitner i said wow maybe she

[01:59:24] does know people so we're talking the there people are asking questions so on the way out

[01:59:31] people hey can i have your autograph i don't know who they thought i was because i told me i said you

[01:59:36] know what i don't want to disagree with my fans i don't want to disappoint so i said of course i'll

[01:59:40] sign it so i signed like a big r and did all the frivolous i have no idea who they thought i was

[01:59:45] and even when they're showing people the autograph i don't know who they explain me

[01:59:49] which one says i really don't know so i'm talking to the lady for a while and i

[01:59:55] said i might have to get my parents live in a handsport so i'd get to the ferry by 930 to make

[02:00:01] dial and mark this vineyard and i said i'm not going to make it in this

[02:00:05] christie sit don't worry but i'll give you a ride i have no idea who the lady is i said yeah

[02:00:09] you can give me a ride so it's about 925 and she goes i said we got to go she goes all right

[02:00:14] but we're going and she goes where's my card i thought she's kidding do you know where my

[02:00:19] cards i said no so i said it was 927 i have like three minutes to get to the ferry she's oh there it

[02:00:25] is she gets me there and she goes you know what i like you you have a great sense of humor i want

[02:00:28] to keep in touch with you give me your phone number all right that's how you make those friends man

[02:00:33] well no you got to hear this the next morning she calls me up she goes do you know why i'm

[02:00:38] i said no she goes you know the guy that played bedgardener yeah that's my father

[02:00:44] that your father scared to shit out of me so they got to play bedgardener the head that

[02:00:49] found the boat that was her father in real life oh man did you know about the pranksters how one

[02:00:54] of them actually became a deputy in the town where it was filmed and reported a shark incident

[02:01:00] no i didn't know about that that's funny it's just history reality is stranger than fiction sometimes

[02:01:09] so wait what tell me a story yet it's like uh what one of the pranksters in the movie

[02:01:14] caused it talking shit like actually became a deputy in real life

[02:01:18] and was called to the scene of an incident claiming that there was like a shark or some shit like

[02:01:22] that like oh that's funny because as i mentioned before i said it's the first really blockbuster

[02:01:28] that was the creation of the blockbusters and then yeah as far as it was kind of stole the thunder but

[02:01:34] i think if anything kind of like alien like studios got stupider because it's kind of like how you see

[02:01:41] some of the producers of some blockbuster like terminator they're just thinking people like it

[02:01:45] only because of the you know explosions and it's like no people like the story and all the other

[02:01:51] spectacle but again kind of like you were talking earlier on you know south parks same kind of deal is

[02:01:57] like people pay attention to what they think and it's like that's you really aren't in on the joke are

[02:02:04] yeah i know you're laughing but do you actually get it or do you think it's just stupid you know

[02:02:09] it's just kind of like naked gun are you actually it's smart stupid like it's it's totally knows how

[02:02:17] ridiculous it is but some people just say i thought it was funny because stupid and like well but

[02:02:23] it's also aware of how stupid it is compared to someone else who let's say any of these other guys

[02:02:31] like Seth Rogan i don't think he's in on the joke on how stupid his movies are i think he just

[02:02:37] wings it and while he's high i can't say that about a zucker brothers who actually put some serious

[02:02:44] thought into the crazy shit they were about to unleash you know exactly no that's a perfect example

[02:02:49] because i was you know i'm not i that's actually the best example because i would think of like

[02:02:55] i don't really like the stupid humor i'm not really a big uh it takes you out of it because you're

[02:03:00] like who is this for like it's kind of like when you see a movie aimed at teens is like is this for

[02:03:05] all the hipsters and millennials or is this actually for i mean i'm a millennial and i don't care

[02:03:10] for the whole millennial i'm trying to catch up on this yes you did and exactly then i see

[02:03:16] other shit like i see just other trends and it's like like i didn't expect cocaine bear to be a

[02:03:23] surprise hit i didn't i just figured i don't know man it's kind of like the interview and all these

[02:03:27] other movies where it was based off of internet thread or rumor that got out of control and somehow

[02:03:34] someone thought they could market it i i really don't get how people even pinch a movie nowadays

[02:03:41] because it seems like so many people will just still your idea you know i know it's funny that

[02:03:48] you mentioned that because people told me i would love cocaine bear and i said this looks like

[02:03:52] the stupidest movie ever but everybody i never saw but people told me that i would love it they're

[02:03:56] like if you liked uh i'm trying to think what they told me i like it yeah i loved it when i loved

[02:04:02] ran i felt run it is amazing yeah but well let's talk about it's great too you know what i love

[02:04:09] the movies that that became the jaws knockoff because there was like grizzly which was a great movie they

[02:04:15] called jaws with claws i love that movie with linda date George which i interviewed her she is such a

[02:04:21] fun person oh my god i loved her and she was another one called day the animals with Leslie

[02:04:27] Nielsen which is Leslie Nielsen is the best because kind of like those shatner when you see him in a movie

[02:04:32] you don't know i just saw this awesome movie where he and charlton heston uh charlton heston is forced

[02:04:39] to perform music for the Nazis while they're in the third act it kind of becomes a guns and arrow

[02:04:44] where they got to get Jewish prisoners out of this concentration camp at the end but it's so fun

[02:04:48] yeah just you forget you know post forbidden planet that yeah he is a straight man but then he became

[02:04:55] the straight man in stupid colonies but yeah he's such a per um of straight face and he's not he's

[02:05:05] not playing a role to be funny he's playing the straight person and everybody that's what makes

[02:05:10] it so funny kind of like Ernie Hudson Michael Ironside some of these other bee listers could do a

[02:05:15] comedy really well because all they got to do is just sell it while also not trying to look at

[02:05:21] the camera while they tell the joke yeah and that's what made airplane hilarious and now everything's

[02:05:28] too self-aware and like ah stop imitating Deadpool Deadpool worked but it's a one-foot pony like

[02:05:35] it's a special kind of comedy that that guy is good at like it's kind of like when you see

[02:05:39] other people trying to rip off the stuages or check each hand i'm like well you got the physical

[02:05:45] act down but you're not a good leading man maybe you should just be the henchman or the supporting

[02:05:51] character because you can't carry the movie perfect example of that is after airplane and naked gun

[02:05:57] becomes such big hits then they start coming out of these stupid movies like loaded weapon one oh yeah

[02:06:03] it was a guilty pleasure but yeah what should be what they weren't yeah they weren't as funny because

[02:06:08] the other ones were original but it just seems like the other movies have that tried to emulate

[02:06:13] the success of naked gun and police squad and um airplane and it's just you couldn't do it instead

[02:06:19] of like trying to copy that just make up a new brand new kind of even though I think those were

[02:06:24] the were the who was the Zucker Brothers that made those uh it was national lampoon but yeah i mean

[02:06:30] look at Neil israel he was out of the Zucker Brothers factory but then when movie started to imitate

[02:06:37] police academy it got to be two months too in the parody field and i mean you were talking Michael

[02:06:43] Jay Whiteoff air i think he's kind of one of the last few but uh like like you said um it seems like

[02:06:50] uh he is just uh i actually used the police academy role for any franchise over saturation i'm always

[02:06:57] like stop after part seven yeah it's sad that you got that far he had to go to part seven

[02:07:04] like you have to go to the odd number out just like well for horror movies too friday 13th just got so

[02:07:11] stupid after all Jason goes to space Jason and New York City one with carry you know yeah it's yeah

[02:07:18] it just uh i mean and unfortunately as we talked about is they don't really care about the content

[02:07:24] they just like the name oh friday 13th and new and let's get people in the seats just like with

[02:07:29] delay access to this even so the smartest people in the world will still go see the stupidest movie

[02:07:35] in the world because they just can't help it it's morbid curiosity and sometimes it's oh just get a

[02:07:41] beer have a few laughs and like i'm not gonna be drinking there in this piece of shit this is gonna make

[02:07:46] me puke it's so bad the only problem now is that there's way too many options all these streaming services

[02:07:53] people who have much more up to before you're like well nothing really nothing else going on let's

[02:07:58] check it out what do we have to lose now people will say you know what i got burned before i'm not

[02:08:03] going to see this new movie again there's last one i thought was gonna be good sucked i'll just

[02:08:07] stay home and watch something on paramount i'll just stay home and see what hulu has to offer

[02:08:11] so studios got to be here i didn't like them near the whole razor but yeah oh say i didn't see

[02:08:16] that when i did want to see that i heard good things about that well you said it perfectly before

[02:08:21] i said i don't love a movie that's aware of itself i love a movie that is where those filmmakers

[02:08:25] passionate this is what they really love their trying their best to make a good movie and maybe it's

[02:08:31] it some people going it's bad intentionally that's when i just to know it's like what why we do

[02:08:38] we're doing here yeah i mean you're you're basically just trying to say oh this is this is we're

[02:08:44] making a cult classic you don't make a cult classic it becomes a cult classic it gets earned yes

[02:08:50] like the room like rocky or picture show like the apple yeah yeah so that's what i love movies

[02:08:59] where the filmmakers just think that they're like the next sys and can

[02:09:07] well even just stuff like i don't mind the deliberately bad ones like if they but sometimes it

[02:09:13] doesn't work either because now there are two self-aware like i i i i busted my gut out laughing at

[02:09:22] samurai cop too oh that would be yeah some people thought it was too much i'm like okay i get it

[02:09:28] that was i saw that one for riff tracks that was a good one oh well but that that was the original

[02:09:33] i sold the sequel oh i didn't see the sea i didn't realize there was a sequel yeah and

[02:09:39] i think it helps that matt hannon he used to be a bodyguard for the likes of Stallone and

[02:09:44] uh he ended up also doing having a brief stand-up comedy career i think he's just

[02:09:49] very talented i would love to see him in more but he just he hasn't done much

[02:09:54] oh so so this movie i i have to check it out now so this movie was they were trying to be bad

[02:10:00] so it was it was they were aware of what they were doing yeah i just very trashy and yet somehow

[02:10:04] it did it for me but don't get me wrong there's plenty of other ones that have tried that method and i'm like

[02:10:10] like hobo with a shotgun was in the original yeah grindhouse and i was just bored shitless out of my mind

[02:10:18] that casted rugged hour i'm like i i am not engaged with this at all like this is just a very lame

[02:10:25] uh death wish tribute homage i'm just waiting for shit to happen and it's just boring the shit out of me

[02:10:32] yeah i saw that movie once i i can't even really remember what it was about so i i agree again

[02:10:39] that one the original death wishes with Charles brownson the first two in any way were great

[02:10:46] just like dirty i love those movies kill the giggler oh that's part three my bad

[02:10:51] well we are once the which one is what he actually in the naming king there's cocaine at a retirement

[02:10:56] village or something like that retirement home i think it's part four i think yeah i think so

[02:11:02] it was the last one whatever whichever whatever was the last time part five i don't even know

[02:11:08] what the hell's part five but it's like he just says the sniper guy like an ice ring and other

[02:11:13] shit and he just clearly doesn't want to be there like what's going on yeah that that's when

[02:11:20] over ran it's welcome stayed a little longer than they were should have but

[02:11:25] just the the movies like of they they would never be able to make movies like that anymore because

[02:11:29] they were so politically incorrect which that's another thing too is like everybody gets so offended by

[02:11:35] everything you you have to make something that's so sanitized that everything was like the only one

[02:11:41] oh yeah yeah i don't get that either like like you said he i mean sometimes he's in on the job

[02:11:47] then there's other stuff where i'm like i think he's just being a fucking idiot

[02:11:51] yeah what is this deal with feet i don't get it no i don't know he admitted he has a feet fetish

[02:11:57] anything else you'd like to promote on the claws corner i just want to tell people who may not know

[02:12:02] me right now i have my own youtube channel it's called rich what's that one on tv yes exactly

[02:12:09] yeah and please don't call me Shirley oh the name is rich and i see it's probably on there right

[02:12:18] now it's spelled c-y-r the name is show that is on there i have several shows on my youtube channel

[02:12:23] but the one to watch is the claws corner or real talk which camera has been on several times good

[02:12:30] i mean if you want to follow me on facebook i do a lot of other things too so it's rich

[02:12:34] sir and i'm an instagram under rich the claw sir and as i can't remember i do have a book it's called

[02:12:42] confession of a frenetic mind five tails of blood curdling terror that's found on amazon just make

[02:12:49] sure you type in my name along with the title because for some reason you type in my name it doesn't

[02:12:53] populate immediately i don't know why but on there you can also buy the book you could buy the

[02:12:58] hoodie you could buy the t-shirt you could buy the phone case get the whole package it's really

[02:13:03] and uh most of all i want to thank Cameron for once again having me on the show because i love

[02:13:08] the show i could talk about movies for hours as you can see and i love the i love the fact that you're

[02:13:15] you have a show where you give people the opportunity to talk about things like this because

[02:13:20] oh dude i think so many who will just ignore them like oh but who was that guy he was promoting

[02:13:25] himself yeah why not it's like i can't wait until fun when i talk to people

[02:13:31] if people teach me or no people ask me to teach them how to promote themselves i said

[02:13:35] you i said i don't like talking all i said if you want something if you want something to be seen

[02:13:41] you have to make people know that if you miss it you missed out on you exist

[02:13:46] yeah exactly are you miss out on one of the best parties you missed out one of the best shows you

[02:13:50] missed out on one of the best because it's just let people know it's like you you're gonna regret

[02:13:54] not seeing this and they're like i think marketing is more is just as much of an art as being

[02:13:59] talented in whatever you're doing that's a whole different animal don't hold back man don't hold

[02:14:04] back exactly and the reason i'm bringing that up was because you were saying that people were saying

[02:14:08] that like oh who's this guy only does his prune stuff well that's smart to do because

[02:14:13] you're doing something you're doing because you want people to see it i mean you're doing it for

[02:14:17] those guys sound jealous yeah i you know what guess me i just had this conversation with my last

[02:14:22] guess i said uh when people say oh well i can do this i can do that i said well then why don't

[02:14:28] you just do it stop bothering me if you think you can do a radio show just like me don't tell me

[02:14:34] show me doing and they're the they're the people that never do anything love talking about everybody

[02:14:39] else and how easy it is they talk about shit but they don't shoot it exactly so i really do appreciate

[02:14:46] you have me on a show i'm gonna have you on my show as many times you have i mentioned before

[02:14:50] Cameron has carte blanche on my show he can come on anytime talk about any stuff and you want it

[02:14:55] and always part of you but it's love for me anytime i do very soon if

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