Actor/Filmmaker Tommy Wiseau Retrospect with Rich Hall (Subversive Cinema)

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[00:00:11] Hey there, Cam and crew. I am so sorry that I could not make it. This is what happens when you have kids, man. You just lose track of time and all sorts of things.

[00:00:22] But anyway, let me get to the point of this. I don't want to belabor this and take up too much of your time.

[00:00:26] And I appreciate you giving me a little bit of time to soundboard here. But we're talking about Tommy Wiseau, right? Or is it Wiseau? I never know.

[00:00:35] Anyway, the Artur, the man, the legend. To tell you my experience with Tommy Wiseau, I don't have anything in person, but artistically, I have been a longtime fan.

[00:00:49] And I absolutely adore him and every crazy thing he does. I discovered him the same way many people did, which is through the midnight screenings of The Room.

[00:01:03] Living in Los Angeles, I remember driving down the boulevard and seeing The Billboard when I first moved to LA.

[00:01:12] Right. And after having seen a midnight screening of that, I'm guessing sometime in like the late aughts, maybe 2009, 10,

[00:01:22] I found that short that he played in called The House That Drips Blood on Alex.

[00:01:27] And I thought, what the fuck is this? Who is this guy?

[00:01:30] Right. And then I got into just following The Disaster Artist, the book originally written by Greg Sestero.

[00:01:39] Fantastic book if you haven't read it. The movie did pretty good, but I think the book is just extra and highly recommend the audio book because Greg Sestero does a fucking great Tommy Wiseau impression.

[00:01:53] I love the man. I think he's fantastic. From an acting standpoint, I thought he was just wonderfully himself in Best Friends or Fiends, however you want to call it, Friends Volume 1 and Volume 2.

[00:02:07] He's just a fucking national treasure from wherever he is from. We don't know. He won't say. I don't know.

[00:02:16] Anyway, I think in the pantheon of bad film directors, sorry, different film directors, I think he's outdone the likes of Ed Wood.

[00:02:31] And I don't know if he is quite in the same arena as Neil Breen.

[00:02:39] Getting close, those two are so similar but so different at the same time.

[00:02:45] Neil Breen is prolific comparatively while Wiseau really had his big, you know, his major rise with The Room.

[00:02:58] And yeah, it's, I don't know, man. He's at turns unique, but also a welcome addition to the pantheon of strange directors.

[00:03:14] Anyway, I, this wasn't a whole lot to say, but I appreciate you giving me the time.

[00:03:20] Enjoy the conversation, guys, and make sure you check out Tommy Wiseau's latest film.

[00:03:25] I believe it was called Big Shark.

[00:03:27] I haven't seen it yet, but it looks fucking terrible and I can't wait to see it.

[00:03:31] All right. Thanks, guys.

[00:04:22] Oh, different Tom.

[00:04:24] Oh, so I was trying to avoid being thrown off a balcony by that maniac.

[00:04:29] Don't ever do therapy for him. Don't ever. Don't do it.

[00:04:34] That's such a crazy story.

[00:04:37] What a wonderful story, Mark.

[00:04:41] You've gotten past the part where he has sex, right?

[00:04:44] Like, I'm starting it over.

[00:04:47] Starting it over?

[00:04:49] Yeah.

[00:04:50] Never seen it before?

[00:04:54] So we thought we'd do a special on the one, the only maniac, Tommy Wiseau.

[00:05:03] Yeah, I looked up the movies he did.

[00:05:06] I only managed to get, well, I rewatched The Room.

[00:05:11] And then the only other movie I got was part one of Best Fiends or Friends or however you're going to call that.

[00:05:17] Yeah.

[00:05:17] Best Friends.

[00:05:18] And so Wiseau is a madman.

[00:05:21] His actual ethnicity, he's Iranian?

[00:05:25] A Polish American.

[00:05:27] Okay.

[00:05:28] Polish, yeah.

[00:05:28] I kind of sworn someone said he was an Arab at one point.

[00:05:31] So he has done everything since then.

[00:05:33] He's appeared as himself in The Disaster Artist, which is about the making of The Room.

[00:05:37] He has a special upcoming romantic drama called The Room Returns starring Bob Odenkirk.

[00:05:45] It's a remake.

[00:05:49] It even has Mike Flanagan and some of his casting crew working together.

[00:05:57] You know, him from Dr. Sleep and Oculus, Bly Manor, all the different Netflix horror mystery shows.

[00:06:04] And he appears as the bad guy in Samurai Cop 2.

[00:06:08] He appeared in a bunch of other movies.

[00:06:11] Yeah, the Samurai Cop 2 was one I was meaning to check out but never got around to.

[00:06:18] And I haven't seen Big Shark, but it's a giant shark movie where free fighters must save all of New Orleans.

[00:06:26] I saw a trailer for it.

[00:06:28] It looks like he's trying to cash in on Sharknado to me.

[00:06:31] Yeah.

[00:06:33] Yeah.

[00:06:33] I have seen parts of his internet sitcom, The Neighbors, that Riff Tracks showed clips of.

[00:06:40] And yeah, no thanks.

[00:06:41] Thanks.

[00:06:43] I have read The Disaster Artist by Greg Sestero, and that is a must-read.

[00:06:48] Sorry, go ahead.

[00:06:49] I've also watched his Twitch channel.

[00:06:52] He has a Twitch channel?

[00:06:53] He does.

[00:06:56] Does it make any coherentness?

[00:06:59] I'll put it this way.

[00:07:00] It has a feel of a little bit of Mystery Science Theater 3000 with a little bit of Space Ghost Coast to Coast.

[00:07:08] Oh my God.

[00:07:09] And it's a gaming channel, of all things.

[00:07:12] I did read something about him, like video of him playing video games or something on something.

[00:07:18] I don't remember where it was.

[00:07:21] I think it's just so funny, though, just how he marketed The Room as a comedy when it wasn't working at first.

[00:07:28] Actually, no.

[00:07:29] He marketed it as a drama.

[00:07:30] Then when The Naysayers came in, he was like, oh no, we meant for it to be a comedy.

[00:07:34] And then he's reversed it all these years.

[00:07:37] Just he's embraced the whole Rocky Horror type.

[00:07:41] Yeah, well, yeah.

[00:07:42] And The Disaster Artist kind of plays it off.

[00:07:45] Like, you know, he premieres the movie.

[00:07:47] And then he gets back on stage afterwards, after he's had a discussion with Sestero in the movie.

[00:07:53] It is so wild how he just goes back and forth.

[00:07:55] And Riptarax said that when they were trying to acquire it from him, he would go back and forth on that.

[00:08:01] Oh, you're not going to make fun of it, are you?

[00:08:03] And it's like, yeah, no, not at all.

[00:08:08] I did see it, you know, it was cool, you know, for the longest time I would have that on repeat.

[00:08:13] I would watch the outrageous movie and just try to make sense of it.

[00:08:17] And of course, there's no point.

[00:08:19] It's like a David Lynch movie, only it wasn't intended to be this incoherent.

[00:08:27] But seeing the live version was awesome because they updated all the jokes to even creepier remarks.

[00:08:32] Like, they changed it up to some Bill Cosby and Weinstein references.

[00:08:38] And who was the one guy who was in that HBO documentary who finally admitted to killing his wife?

[00:08:47] Robert Durst.

[00:08:48] That's who it was.

[00:08:49] They made a reference to him.

[00:08:50] And they made a bunch of other references.

[00:08:52] But since it's all remastered in HD, they ended up joking, hey, it.

[00:09:00] Now you're seeing incoherentness from the cinematography that you never saw on basic.

[00:09:07] And that just shows you how.

[00:09:09] But I feel sorry for the cinematographer because he did a lot of co-directing, but he took his name off it.

[00:09:16] Oh, I bet he wishes he could cash all those checks.

[00:09:21] I'm not surprised Bob Odenkirk's doing his take on it because I remember his colleague, David Cross, referring to it as one of his favorite comedies.

[00:09:31] Christian Bill as well.

[00:09:32] And they were in on the joke.

[00:09:34] They're like, it's not meant to be funny, but I laugh at it every time I watch it at a midnight screening.

[00:09:40] Well, you mentioned Bob Odenkirk.

[00:09:43] He was in The Disaster Artist, too.

[00:09:44] It's amazing how many people had a small part in the movie.

[00:09:48] Yeah.

[00:09:49] Yeah.

[00:09:50] And to bring an MST angle into this, you know who else thought it was a really good movie?

[00:09:57] Patton Oswalt.

[00:09:59] Of course.

[00:10:01] I love Patton.

[00:10:03] Oh, man.

[00:10:04] Wow.

[00:10:07] I got to tell you, I was watching it again, you know, yesterday, and I'm like, looking at the scene.

[00:10:13] Well, first of all, his girlfriend is amazingly, you know, evil in this movie.

[00:10:21] Right.

[00:10:22] Starting a love triangle.

[00:10:24] Yeah.

[00:10:25] And then it kills me when she's like, you know, coming on to Greg Sestaro and Greg Sestaro is blaming her for, you know, hey, he's my best friend.

[00:10:33] And then he goes to sleep with her anyway.

[00:10:35] Yeah.

[00:10:35] Yeah.

[00:10:36] Is this like, and it's all so underdeveloped and having read the book and.

[00:10:45] You know, if I had actually worked on it, I would have been like, fuck you, I quit.

[00:10:49] But it's just so funny how from this angle, I think the reason it works better than an actual.

[00:10:57] Like amateur production or just incoherent movie is, I guess, just they.

[00:11:02] They really did like every bad movie that we all have seen a bunch of times.

[00:11:08] It had people who actually believed in it, even though none of it was coherent.

[00:11:13] There's several times where was so kept spilling water on the set and almost getting it too close to the gaffing equipment.

[00:11:22] The checks breezed and that was an unpleasant situation.

[00:11:28] I had fun watching Best Friends Volume 1 and 2 online.

[00:11:33] And I think the reason I found out more about it was Fathom Events kept promoting it.

[00:11:41] And Paul Scheer, who had had Greg Sestero on for a live, you know, how did this get made episode of The Room, ended up playing a key role in both movies.

[00:11:51] Well, yeah, I was actually surprised when I started that because I only watched the first part of that, that part one.

[00:11:57] And I was actually surprised to see Lionsgate's name attached to it.

[00:12:01] Yeah, they didn't care.

[00:12:02] They're just like, fuck it.

[00:12:03] We'll do it.

[00:12:06] Grindstone Entertainment.

[00:12:07] Yeah, just Sestero Pictures is one of the production companies that comes up.

[00:12:13] I found them pretty reliable.

[00:12:15] And my sister has a theory and you can say whether you agree or don't agree.

[00:12:21] She's like, he evolved backwards.

[00:12:24] He got the worst possible movie out of his system first so he could make a good movie.

[00:12:30] So it's been 20 years.

[00:12:32] Where's the good movie?

[00:12:34] Good movie.

[00:12:37] It's called The Disaster Artist.

[00:12:40] Oh, that was something he didn't really have a hand in.

[00:12:43] Oh, man.

[00:12:44] His name is attached.

[00:12:45] You know, his name is attached to it and he has a small part in it.

[00:12:49] The AV Club loved Best Friends.

[00:12:53] But I love their review saying, it makes great use of the idiosyncratic talents, suggesting that there's no such thing as a bad actor, only actors badly used.

[00:13:05] Well, I will say watching it, it was better produced than The Room.

[00:13:11] It had better production value and I was, I wasn't, there didn't seem like any dead space because I think that's the other problem with The Room.

[00:13:19] I think, I'm actually surprised at how many people really took off on it because like, if you were just a non-suspecting person and it had, I'm really surprised it's had a fame base all those years because I never saw it at any blockbuster.

[00:13:34] It was never on any of the movie channels.

[00:13:36] It played as like an April Fool's gag every once in a while on Adult Swim, but for Valentine's Day sometimes.

[00:13:43] But it was always one of those, it's like, if you weren't anybody else, you would suspect you were watching a really badly made like indie drama or Skinamax movie.

[00:13:56] And it doesn't work on those levels either.

[00:13:59] So that's what's just really just made me guffaw at it over the years.

[00:14:03] It's like, how did this movie that should not even be talked about get talked about?

[00:14:10] Yeah.

[00:14:11] And the cult status, I put it on the same level as Hell Comes to Frogtown.

[00:14:17] I never saw it advertised in any theater.

[00:14:22] I maybe glanced at it once or twice in a video store, but it has this cult following that.

[00:14:30] It's impossible to truly understand.

[00:14:34] But it's one that if you get it, you get it.

[00:14:38] Well, I'll say this.

[00:14:39] I mean, yeah, I'll agree with the cult status, but Hell Comes to Frogtown is a better movie than The Room.

[00:14:46] Well, definitely better production.

[00:14:48] And that's saying something.

[00:14:49] It's more entertaining, I guess, because it's a monster movie with Roddy Piper.

[00:14:53] It's a USA up all night type movie.

[00:14:56] Yeah.

[00:14:56] I have come here to make a movie and chew bubble gum.

[00:15:02] And I'm all out of bubble gum.

[00:15:06] Oh, my God.

[00:15:07] That's why you think you have all the answers?

[00:15:08] I changed the questions.

[00:15:10] I changed the questions.

[00:15:11] Put on the damn glasses.

[00:15:13] So did you know about it before Riff Treks?

[00:15:17] I did.

[00:15:18] Like, it would just casually keep getting brought up on, like, Entertainment Weekly.

[00:15:22] I'm like, what the hell is this movie?

[00:15:24] And then, like, I would say by the third time I had heard it, yes, Riff Treks was blown up in 07, 08.

[00:15:31] And I'm like, OK, interesting.

[00:15:33] And but, yeah, like, it's just it's just I it kept making the list of, like, infamous movies.

[00:15:41] And I think I was drawn to it because I'm like, OK.

[00:15:45] I know it's bad, but this seems like an interesting passion project as opposed to a bad comedy that's funny for the wrong reasons.

[00:15:56] Like, it's not something like Norbit or Ishtar where the ego got in the way of any potential punchline.

[00:16:03] But at the same time, like, I'm not.

[00:16:05] But OK, so think of it this way, like instead of a bad like it's a vanity project, but the vanity is just so out there.

[00:16:15] You have to just laugh at it.

[00:16:17] It's like you can't believe that this many people went along with it and took themselves that seriously compared to an intentionally trashy movie.

[00:16:26] You know, you got to wonder.

[00:16:28] I mean, Tommy Wiseau doesn't seem like someone you could be close friends with.

[00:16:33] No.

[00:16:36] Oh, my God.

[00:16:38] Yeah.

[00:16:38] Yeah.

[00:16:39] It's it's amazing looking at that going, you know, how is Sestero maintain this relationship with him for 20 years or whatever?

[00:16:47] Other than they were both hungry for a starring role.

[00:16:51] And it's like, Wiseau didn't fit in anything.

[00:16:54] And Sestero kept being a featured extra on an episode of Natch Bridges and movies like Gattaca.

[00:17:01] And you're like, oh, my God.

[00:17:04] But yeah, like how would the fact that Wiseau would go to restaurants and ask for stuff that only an alien would ask for?

[00:17:11] Like, can you heat up my cold drink?

[00:17:13] You're like, what?

[00:17:14] That's right.

[00:17:17] Well, Sestero, you mentioned Sestero.

[00:17:19] He was in Pup Master 4, which is another Riff Trax movie.

[00:17:23] Yeah.

[00:17:24] Yes.

[00:17:29] And I remember, you know, when it came out, you know, I saw it live in the theater.

[00:17:33] And then Becky and I used to have all these, we used to have these Riff Trax parties.

[00:17:37] I even invited Thomas out.

[00:17:39] I remember we watched The Room.

[00:17:40] Thomas Aquinas.

[00:17:42] We watched The Room.

[00:17:44] And then after it finished, I'm like, you know, the disaster movie's out.

[00:17:48] If I buy it, would you guys be wanting to watch it?

[00:17:50] Because usually we watch the Riff Trax stuff as a party, as a marathon.

[00:17:53] But after The Room, I said, you guys want to check out Disaster Artist?

[00:17:57] They said, yeah.

[00:17:58] So that's what we did.

[00:18:04] I don't know.

[00:18:05] Thomas, how did you feel about that day?

[00:18:07] I loved it.

[00:18:08] I was curious.

[00:18:10] I was curious.

[00:18:12] And I'll tell you, the disaster artist was a better movie than it had a right to be.

[00:18:18] Not quite Ed Wood, but I liked it.

[00:18:21] Yeah.

[00:18:21] But by the same token, it really surprised me with just how good it was.

[00:18:29] Just how you could actually see what was going on in the movie.

[00:18:34] You could say, yeah, that sounds plausible.

[00:18:36] That really could have happened.

[00:18:38] I enjoyed parts of it, but I was kind of let down by it since they really did Hollywood eyes a lot of it.

[00:18:46] Well, you know, it's like I read that.

[00:18:48] I read that like The Room was based on an unpublished novel that he had wrote.

[00:18:54] And if you're watching the movie, it looks like he's just like, like writing it up on the fly.

[00:19:00] Try, you know, going out of his way to make the movie.

[00:19:03] Yeah.

[00:19:03] You know, and it was a script.

[00:19:06] I would definitely like, if anyone wants to do any other version, like just talking about the making of it or just dramatize like other like doomed movie sets like Heaven's Gate style.

[00:19:17] I'd be up for that.

[00:19:18] I would like to definitely see the cinematographer like get in there and just describe his difficulty.

[00:19:23] Like, I'm sorry.

[00:19:27] Did they make a documentary on that?

[00:19:30] I you can actually find.

[00:19:33] Here's the thing.

[00:19:34] Like, was so is so picky about who does or doesn't get to sell it like the Blu-rays out of stock.

[00:19:40] I had to get mine from eBay just to give to my one of my filmmaking buddies.

[00:19:48] It's one of those like it's just very hard to track down.

[00:19:52] Like, yeah, I found it on YouTube with like foreign language subtitles.

[00:19:59] Oh, my word.

[00:20:00] There is a making of doc that's like from the old DVD.

[00:20:04] And it is just priceless.

[00:20:06] Like was so is into it just and if you hadn't seen an inch of the movie, here's the sad thing.

[00:20:12] You would think he's an actual guy trying to make it.

[00:20:14] He doesn't do his usual.

[00:20:16] Oh, you know, it is crazy talking.

[00:20:18] And I'm just like looking at him like my word.

[00:20:23] This dude legit thought he was doing like a Coppola level movie.

[00:20:30] And it's just so priceless.

[00:20:32] Like and kudos to whoever was filming it.

[00:20:34] They made it look like he everybody was engaged and believed in his passion.

[00:20:39] They didn't.

[00:20:40] But I think it's also a good example, though.

[00:20:44] You do have to have mostly everybody, you know, have your back.

[00:20:49] Otherwise, again, nothing gets done.

[00:20:51] People think, hey, I'm just waiting for my next gig or a reason to leave.

[00:20:56] Well, there's also the allusion to his bottomless pit of money.

[00:20:59] Yeah, he's.

[00:21:02] And so that's what's just also crazy.

[00:21:04] He's like.

[00:21:05] So it's like he was doing like realtor and Wall Street stocks.

[00:21:11] And I can just imagine Tommy doing it, doing a real estate showing.

[00:21:17] Yeah, you see, this is a nice split level.

[00:21:19] And you believe it's a rodeo.

[00:21:21] But in fact, it's actually Continental.

[00:21:23] It's got a nice basement where you can put stuff.

[00:21:26] Yeah, he's the kind of guy who.

[00:21:29] This house really likes you.

[00:21:30] Speak to the house.

[00:21:31] Speak to the house.

[00:21:32] He's totally the guy at gambling night who goes, oh, no, I don't owe you anything.

[00:21:37] No, no, I won.

[00:21:39] No, I clearly won.

[00:21:41] I clearly have an ace.

[00:21:43] No, no, it's it's a fake.

[00:21:45] No, you cheat.

[00:21:47] No.

[00:21:49] You're telling me apart, Eli.

[00:21:52] Telling my bank account apart.

[00:21:55] Yeah.

[00:21:58] I think that's the other thing, too, just his overacting.

[00:22:01] He is one of the best overactors.

[00:22:04] And he thought it was legit.

[00:22:05] He thought he owned it.

[00:22:08] I guess he did.

[00:22:10] Well, you know, you look at him and you can kind of see, you know, he doesn't really take cues.

[00:22:15] He just kind of goes where he goes.

[00:22:18] Yeah.

[00:22:18] Direction.

[00:22:19] Yeah.

[00:22:19] What's that?

[00:22:21] That harkens back to Samurai Cop, too.

[00:22:24] That there were there is a monologue that he does where he's going and it just makes it even better.

[00:22:32] Well, you've just you've just secured for me what Becky and I are going to be watching this weekend.

[00:22:37] I do love the Samurai Cop guy.

[00:22:39] I wish he would do more stand up.

[00:22:41] I've seen him in legit movies and TV guest spots where I'm like, dude, he totally should have cashed in on the fact that people mistook him for a Stallone type.

[00:22:51] And I would have done it, too.

[00:22:53] I would have probably phoned it in if I kept having an Indian director who didn't speak like.

[00:23:00] He wasn't on the same earth that I was saying, no, you've got to say this American phrase this incoherent way.

[00:23:07] OK, sure.

[00:23:08] I guess.

[00:23:10] When my wig on is my wig on this scene or no?

[00:23:13] I'm curious to know what the guy looks like without a wig.

[00:23:15] Is he bald as hell?

[00:23:17] No, he's he's got again.

[00:23:19] He looks like a Stallone guy.

[00:23:20] He used to be one of his bodyguards.

[00:23:22] And the other one of the other guys who was in some of Stallone's movies, he's the one of the Russians that he blows up in part three.

[00:23:29] He was also one of the bodyguards.

[00:23:30] And he just looks he's still pretty jacked at the recent videos I've seen him talk on.

[00:23:37] And I think.

[00:23:39] I think I like him better than I guess the room guys, just because.

[00:23:44] He just I think he just knew right away, hey, I'm going to take whatever work I can get.

[00:23:49] He was a typical kind of like many of those B movie guys.

[00:23:51] He knew what he was and he didn't try to be anything more.

[00:23:54] And I think it's so funny.

[00:23:57] Shortly after Samurai Cop, didn't he spend some time in prison?

[00:24:01] Nope.

[00:24:02] I thought he had.

[00:24:03] Who was in prison?

[00:24:05] The lead actor there.

[00:24:07] I think he I thought I read that he was in prison.

[00:24:09] Prison Samurai Cop.

[00:24:17] But I mean, I could have misread, but I could have swore that's what I.

[00:24:23] I what I got from it.

[00:24:27] I'm not seeing that.

[00:24:30] Well, either way, I mean.

[00:24:33] I just feel sorry for a lot of the other room actors.

[00:24:36] I mean, the fact that you change the psychiatrist mid movie.

[00:24:41] And it really is one of those that goes past me each viewing.

[00:24:45] And but yeah, by the third viewing, you're like, oh, it they called him a certain name.

[00:24:48] He's clearly supposed to be the same guy.

[00:24:50] And he looks nothing at the party breakdown.

[00:24:54] And I do love.

[00:24:56] I used to go on to different forums, even other stuff in INDB.

[00:24:59] And I love seeing people who legit were obsessed with it and thought it was a good movie.

[00:25:03] And they would try to defend every plot hole.

[00:25:05] I'm like, no, no, no, stop.

[00:25:08] It's a nice try, but stop.

[00:25:12] You know, disaster artists at the end of the movie, they're showing clips.

[00:25:17] Yeah.

[00:25:17] They tried to refilm.

[00:25:18] And it was actually looking like pretty good retakes of it.

[00:25:22] They did their best.

[00:25:23] I have always done much like when YouTube was first becoming a sensation and people would do their own fan made trailers, like reedit a movie to make it look like this.

[00:25:34] I loved how people were trying to make the room look like a psychological thriller or actual dark comedy.

[00:25:40] And it was priceless.

[00:25:43] Yeah.

[00:25:43] And the fact that there are still people today doing doing variations on the room and still talking about the room.

[00:25:51] During my hard research of looking at YouTube all day, I came across something the way they combined Avengers Endgame with parts of the room, with part of the techno music video where they did the basically the Oh, Hi, Mark kind of thing.

[00:26:15] Oh, that's amazing.

[00:26:17] And it killed.

[00:26:18] I was, I was howling laughing.

[00:26:20] My wife was saying, are you okay?

[00:26:22] It's like, Oh, this is exactly what I needed.

[00:26:25] And if you get a chance to look for it, I believe it's called Avengers.

[00:26:30] Friend game.

[00:26:31] Avengers.

[00:26:32] Oh, wow.

[00:26:34] I can only imagine.

[00:26:36] Oh, it is more wonderful than you could ever imagine.

[00:26:41] I love it.

[00:26:42] And I, I, that's what I applaud for all the YouTubers who were doing that.

[00:26:47] You know, it's just like, just to take all those clips and take it out of proportion.

[00:26:50] I've loved, you know, I've seen just about everybody do something.

[00:26:55] I've seen people make Planet of the Apes look like a satire.

[00:26:58] I've seen people make a show like SVU look like a sitcom.

[00:27:02] I'm like, see, that's fucking awesome.

[00:27:04] I love it when people just have this much free time and they can pay, they have actual legit video skills.

[00:27:13] We're making like a deep space nine or, or maybe not deep space nine, but the next generation look like an old Star Trek cartoon episode.

[00:27:21] Yes.

[00:27:22] Oh my God.

[00:27:23] And I'll, going back to the Avengers friend game thing.

[00:27:28] I'm going to spoil a little bit of it, but you have, but when you see it, you'll, you'll have laughing.

[00:27:34] You'll say Tommy Wiseau in a Hulkbuster armor.

[00:27:40] No, I can't remember what it was, but I, Becky and I have been watching stuff where there was actually a reference to the room.

[00:27:48] And my wife looked over at me and she goes, you know, I wouldn't even get that joke except that, you know, you showed me this stuff.

[00:27:55] And I said, so I've been rich into your life.

[00:27:57] She goes, okay, sure.

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[00:29:26] We could talk about the room pretty much all night long and we would never get tired of it.

[00:29:31] Best Friends went into, I got to swatch trailers of it.

[00:29:34] I had to see a couple of the critical responses to it online.

[00:29:40] One thing that stuck out to me was at least chapter one or volume one had a feel of, had a feel like a simple plan.

[00:29:55] It was hard for me to buy into having that many gold teeth to sell.

[00:30:02] Yeah.

[00:30:03] Yeah.

[00:30:03] But the whole thing was with, with the ATM machine and the, and trying to get the money out and there's stuff in there and there's a woman involved.

[00:30:10] And it was like, that hit me like a simple plan.

[00:30:14] And then when I saw a simple plan.

[00:30:17] Yeah.

[00:30:18] I love that movie, but I was trying to imagine Greg and Wasso.

[00:30:25] That's that concept.

[00:30:29] Oh, it looks like, sounds like we're getting rain out here.

[00:30:32] Yeah.

[00:30:33] It's Wasso coming up to your doorstep saying, you're making fun of my movie.

[00:30:38] Yeah.

[00:30:39] I kind of wondered if that ATM was like a converted safe or something, because I remember seeing him like mess with a dial for a safe.

[00:30:48] Yeah.

[00:30:48] When he was at that ATM.

[00:30:49] So I wondered if he just had a safe inside.

[00:30:51] That's what's just so weird too.

[00:30:52] It's just like, you would think there's been so many great financial fillers and that bring up ethics and everything.

[00:31:00] And the fact that he couldn't even transition that, like you keep saying, Hey, he's a businessman, but it breaks.

[00:31:08] Don't get me wrong.

[00:31:10] What it does wrong is what makes it so fascinating.

[00:31:12] But you would have thought is like, even for an ego headed filmmaker, if you're talking about, Oh, I'm an important rich businessman.

[00:31:19] It's like, I want to see what he does at his office.

[00:31:23] Even Birdemic had the nerve to show what happens at the bland character's office.

[00:31:29] Yeah.

[00:31:31] Well, yeah.

[00:31:32] And everything he sells for like a million dollars or whatever.

[00:31:34] Yeah.

[00:31:35] And everyone's like, Oh, you're so good.

[00:31:37] Even though we don't get at all why he's so so-called charismatic.

[00:31:41] He's just weird.

[00:31:43] Have you gone to see Greg Sestero screening the room?

[00:31:48] He's doing it right now.

[00:31:51] I hadn't.

[00:31:52] He's still doing that?

[00:31:53] Wow.

[00:31:53] Yeah.

[00:31:54] That's the, he did in Grand Rapids a year and a half ago.

[00:31:57] That's where I picked up.

[00:31:59] First, first time I heard about this, he signed it.

[00:32:01] Oh, hi, Mike.

[00:32:02] Greg Sestero.

[00:32:04] Best Friends volume one and two.

[00:32:06] So that's the first time I heard of that, that movie.

[00:32:08] I also asked, he did a Q and a, and I said, asked him two questions.

[00:32:14] I said, Oh, you're tearing me apart as a homage to rebel without a cause.

[00:32:20] And I said, also when he's trashing the room towards the end, was that a takeoff on Citizen Kane when he does the same thing?

[00:32:28] And he said, you definitely did the James Dean reference, but other people have said that, that, that does a reference Citizen Kane.

[00:32:36] Disaster artist kind of alludes to that.

[00:32:39] Okay.

[00:32:40] That, that, especially the, you know, the, um, you're tearing me apart part.

[00:32:44] Yeah.

[00:32:45] Yeah.

[00:32:46] That's wild.

[00:32:47] And I think he did say various stuff on how he's inspired by all these screen legends.

[00:32:53] And you're like, you couldn't be any less than those guys.

[00:32:58] And I do.

[00:32:59] I mean, he, he, I mean, he's still leagues ahead of Michael Bay.

[00:33:08] I got to say the disaster artist movie.

[00:33:10] When, uh, the scene where Tommy realizes that they're, they're making fun of him.

[00:33:14] It was kind of moving, actually.

[00:33:16] It kind of got to me, but you want that way to, they build it up, you know, you know, and

[00:33:22] then the disaster artists, when they're doing the screening of the room and everybody's like

[00:33:27] laughing hysterically and stuff.

[00:33:29] And Greg's like, Hey, just listen to them.

[00:33:31] They're having a good time.

[00:33:32] Yeah.

[00:33:33] I was wondering if that was actually what happened.

[00:33:36] Okay.

[00:33:37] I mean, you definitely, uh, get a sense of, I always feel like half the time Sestero is

[00:33:45] keeping everybody's spirits up.

[00:33:46] It's like, it's okay.

[00:33:47] We're going to be, our careers are going to take off.

[00:33:50] And of course it took off just not in the way anyone planned, but I do wonder if he

[00:33:55] had, you know, extras typically have, what's that one line?

[00:33:59] It's like apples, carrots, something like you, you mentioned all these vegetables and

[00:34:03] fruits off just to make it look like you're having a synchronized conversation in the background.

[00:34:08] And I have a feeling Sestero must've given them some funny lines to just keep doing.

[00:34:13] He's like, Hey, it doesn't matter.

[00:34:14] Just look like you want to be here in this party.

[00:34:17] You're the only wife in the movie.

[00:34:20] Yeah.

[00:34:20] Well, you know, going back to the room, I see you got the, you got the mother who's

[00:34:24] got, uh, you know, you never gets the breast cancer.

[00:34:28] You get the 18 year old college student that he's paying for a room for in that building

[00:34:36] who acts like he's 10.

[00:34:38] Yeah.

[00:34:39] And why is he going up with them into the room when they're about to.

[00:34:43] Right.

[00:34:44] Exactly.

[00:34:45] That was like I said, the title location.

[00:34:48] It really doesn't have much of anything to do.

[00:34:51] Is it supposed to be, this is the cheating place.

[00:34:53] Is this the place where I'm and why did he have to resort to even suicide at the very end?

[00:34:58] If he's so rich and everything like all this underdeveloped stuff that just keeps making

[00:35:03] it go white.

[00:35:04] Yeah.

[00:35:04] And I, I, I want to know more about, uh, you know, uh, Danny's drug problem.

[00:35:12] And of course does a good job about making it look like he's a perv, but I will say that

[00:35:17] they didn't have to do anything to make him look like a perv.

[00:35:20] I know he just had the look, but like, why is he, you know, I like it's the drug.

[00:35:27] Oh, okay.

[00:35:28] The drugs may be perverted.

[00:35:30] Okay.

[00:35:31] The drug dealer is the best actor in the movie.

[00:35:34] You know, I, I, I, I'm not, I'm just going to say this.

[00:35:37] I don't think anyone is sexy in this save for Michelle played by Robin Paris.

[00:35:42] Oh my word.

[00:35:43] And I don't like she had legit charm.

[00:35:46] Unlike anybody else who just seemed like they were just high or something.

[00:35:52] Just not really engaged.

[00:35:54] Did her career go anywhere?

[00:35:55] No, not really.

[00:35:56] But she's a nice gal.

[00:35:57] No one's career really went anywhere.

[00:36:00] Which is a shame because I think even the psychiatrist guy with the glasses who's,

[00:36:06] they're threatening at one point.

[00:36:08] Peter.

[00:36:08] I kind of wondered in that best friends part.

[00:36:11] Kind of wondered in that best friends part one, if any of the actors from the room were

[00:36:15] in that, if there was any of them.

[00:36:17] It pretty much was just Paul Scheer who became close with them when they did.

[00:36:20] How did this get made?

[00:36:21] But I think that's what was cool about it.

[00:36:24] They, because they were less concerned with how everybody looks and everything.

[00:36:28] And not having to talk weirdly to someone at a coffee shop.

[00:36:32] I think that's, there wasn't, there weren't all these barriers.

[00:36:38] Because here's the thing with any movie.

[00:36:40] When you become so obsessed with getting it done and you, continuity is not your middle

[00:36:46] name.

[00:36:46] You're just going to keep creating more and more holes that you're going to sink into.

[00:36:52] And it's just so funny how they're just on a beach walking around and there's still a

[00:36:57] crime component, but they're just playing off each other because they were comfortable

[00:37:02] with each other.

[00:37:03] And I think that's the thing that they were, Greg and Tommy were comfortable at first, but

[00:37:09] no one else was.

[00:37:10] So it was already an uphill battle, even before trying to get the crew to trust them, which

[00:37:16] they reluctantly did.

[00:37:19] I can't remember.

[00:37:20] Why does he wind up in a suit of armor in that thing too?

[00:37:24] Oh, uh, in, in, in, which one is that?

[00:37:28] Uh, in best friends part.

[00:37:30] Oh, in best friends.

[00:37:31] Volume two.

[00:37:31] Volume two.

[00:37:32] Okay.

[00:37:32] Oh yeah, that's right.

[00:37:34] Well, shit.

[00:37:34] See, is it cause he was distorted from falling off the cliff or we're doing so he survives

[00:37:42] the fall off the cliff.

[00:37:43] Yeah.

[00:37:44] Okay.

[00:37:45] Cause I kind of got out.

[00:37:46] Oh, you haven't seen buying two.

[00:37:48] No.

[00:37:50] I'm sorry.

[00:37:51] It's okay.

[00:37:52] It's been, it's been out since 2017.

[00:37:54] You can spoil it.

[00:37:55] Yeah.

[00:37:56] Yeah.

[00:37:57] The weird thing is that in the reviews I've seen, I, it's not really clear whether he

[00:38:01] survived because they mentioned that a lot of the scenes that.

[00:38:04] From volume two were basically rehashes or whatever from volume one.

[00:38:10] So that leaves that, it leaves that ambiguous.

[00:38:14] Oh, okay.

[00:38:16] But with the, but by the same token, the, the, the whole movie volumes one and two seem kind

[00:38:24] of disjointed where it takes you one direction, like it's a simple plan that they've got the

[00:38:29] corner aspect of it, which makes me think of reanimator and things like that.

[00:38:34] And now I want to see what's so a playoff Jeffrey Combs.

[00:38:40] So, and that was another thing I'm watching this and going, so, so does as a corner or,

[00:38:45] or as an undertaker or whatever he is, it's common for him to keep and save like pieces of these

[00:38:53] dead bodies.

[00:38:55] That's weird.

[00:38:56] That's weird.

[00:38:56] I mean, that also kind of gave me a sort of a creepy face off kind of feel too, at the

[00:39:01] same time.

[00:39:04] And what's the making, what's the making of his face?

[00:39:09] I think it's just, we were expecting such a bad movie and then it was surprisingly laid

[00:39:15] back and watchable.

[00:39:16] I don't mind.

[00:39:18] Oh, it was still a bad movie, but.

[00:39:20] Oh, I had fun with it, but.

[00:39:21] It was better than, than before, but yeah.

[00:39:24] I'll put it this way.

[00:39:24] I want to actually make sense of it as opposed, cause they were actually.

[00:39:30] Okay.

[00:39:31] So they tried on both, but they didn't have all these constant disruptions and rewrites

[00:39:37] and everything.

[00:39:37] Like they're embracing their infamous fame and trying to do their own different project.

[00:39:44] So I, I think I would like to actually make sense of that movie versus the room where there's

[00:39:50] no point in making sense of, you know, a broken record.

[00:39:53] You know, I'm just having fun.

[00:39:55] Yeah.

[00:39:55] Did they explain why Sestero's figure or character was a homeless at the beginning?

[00:40:01] I thought they did out of all the plot holes in that movie.

[00:40:06] Well, I think they gave some sort of explanation, but it was like a brief one and done about his,

[00:40:11] his mom was killed or something.

[00:40:15] Cause at first I thought it was a picture of like his, his wife and kid or something,

[00:40:19] something terrible happened.

[00:40:20] There was something.

[00:40:21] I, but then, but then I see they explain it and he's talking about like his mother being

[00:40:26] killed or something like that.

[00:40:28] And, and I'm like, so wait, so this happened when you were younger and you've been homeless

[00:40:34] ever since yet.

[00:40:35] You still got pearly white teeth and a muscular and a muscular physique.

[00:40:40] They should have dirtied him up a bit or something.

[00:40:43] No, here it is.

[00:40:44] She died of breast cancer.

[00:40:49] It was only recently homeless.

[00:40:54] Maybe that's it.

[00:40:55] Don't you love though?

[00:40:56] I got to go back to the room just before we get back and try and examine best friends.

[00:41:01] Don't you love how in the trailer for the room, they say was so channels the passion of Tennessee

[00:41:10] Williams.

[00:41:13] How in the bloody hell is that even remotely like one of his tragic yet engaging troubled

[00:41:21] character plays?

[00:41:22] But that might apply more to best friends.

[00:41:26] There is a bit of that.

[00:41:29] I don't know.

[00:41:30] The thing of it is that the room actually started out as a play.

[00:41:34] What?

[00:41:35] That's what I don't even allure to that in the disaster artists.

[00:41:39] Yeah.

[00:41:40] It started out as a play and then it became a movie afterwards.

[00:41:45] Um, and since it wasn't working as a play and it was sort of like the, the best one,

[00:41:52] the best, uh, the best review I've ever seen or heard of it is from a few guys online.

[00:41:59] Um, they have podcasts called the old school wrestling video podcast.

[00:42:05] I love it already.

[00:42:07] That's a great.

[00:42:08] Yes.

[00:42:08] And they do the room.

[00:42:10] They've done samurai cop, samurai cop, too.

[00:42:13] They've done a couple of, they've done movies.

[00:42:15] They mostly focus on professional wrestling, but those little excerpts and the little excursions

[00:42:21] into, into movie reviews, especially the room, it was just amazing.

[00:42:28] And that's where I find out that the room was actually originally set up as a, as a, as a play,

[00:42:34] almost like a one room play.

[00:42:36] I want to play.

[00:42:37] That would make sense for the, why it was called the room and probably the play taking

[00:42:41] place all inside that one place.

[00:42:43] The one location.

[00:42:44] There needs to be a play.

[00:42:45] Yeah.

[00:42:46] There needs to be like, someone needs to do it on Broadway.

[00:42:50] Get some bigger actors.

[00:42:52] The room, the musical.

[00:42:54] There we go.

[00:42:57] Uh, so what would you do to fix the room?

[00:43:00] Everyone's harped on it and made fun of it.

[00:43:02] Anything can be fixed.

[00:43:04] If you put more time into it and fix what's not working.

[00:43:08] How would you fix it?

[00:43:11] Well, don't green screen the rooftop scenes for one thing.

[00:43:18] Why could they just use an actual rooftop?

[00:43:20] I would cut out all the playing around in a football.

[00:43:23] Like if we're going to feature that, we got to like, have that be a flashback where they

[00:43:28] were doing some frat boy shit or some stupid thing.

[00:43:32] Some dare like, Hey, we're doing a U it might actually make better sense in a YouTube thing.

[00:43:37] Hey, we're, we're, we're being a flash mob.

[00:43:39] We're all in Texas playing football.

[00:43:41] Can you go along with this?

[00:43:43] We want to prank the teacher or something.

[00:43:45] You know, you would have to just do something to make it funny as opposed to, I don't know

[00:43:50] what I'm watching right now.

[00:43:52] Or, or have Quentin Tarantino teach them dialogue.

[00:43:55] Oh God.

[00:43:57] They'd be four hours long and still not be good.

[00:44:01] You know what I think the funniest line in the movie is when he goes to the flower shop.

[00:44:09] Oh, hi, Tommy.

[00:44:10] I didn't recognize you.

[00:44:11] He doesn't look like anybody else on the planet.

[00:44:15] How do you not recognize?

[00:44:17] You're my favorite.

[00:44:18] You're my favorite customer.

[00:44:20] You're my favorite customer.

[00:44:22] Favorite customer, buddy.

[00:44:23] I didn't recognize you.

[00:44:24] Yeah.

[00:44:25] I saw him in the best friends when he first shows up and he's wearing these high

[00:44:29] heeled, like kiss-like looking boots.

[00:44:32] You know?

[00:44:34] Is that his normal wear?

[00:44:36] I think I've locked out with some of that book movies.

[00:44:39] I have to watch them again.

[00:44:41] Oh, I guess we're going to have to.

[00:44:43] I don't know.

[00:44:43] Here's the big scene.

[00:44:44] Oh, hi, Mark.

[00:44:46] Hi, Mark.

[00:44:47] Yeah.

[00:44:49] Well, you know, in the disaster artists, they allude to the fact that he had to retake

[00:44:53] that scene like a ton of times to get right.

[00:44:57] Oh, really?

[00:44:58] Yeah.

[00:44:58] Yeah.

[00:44:59] They still be good.

[00:45:00] Right.

[00:45:01] Have you noticed the YouTube video of Melissa Benoit doing that scene as Supergirl?

[00:45:08] Oh, wow.

[00:45:09] Oh, my gosh.

[00:45:10] It's on you.

[00:45:11] It's funny.

[00:45:12] I know on that American version of like Sherlock Holmes Elementary, they did a reference to

[00:45:20] Manos on one episode and that lit a bunch of misties up.

[00:45:24] They're like, oh, my God.

[00:45:26] Validation by a mainstream show on Infamous Movies.

[00:45:28] But I am surprised more people haven't talked about The Room.

[00:45:31] Yeah.

[00:45:32] I mean, it wasn't part of the TV show, but there is an outtake cover doing that.

[00:45:36] It's pretty funny.

[00:45:38] That's the other thing, too.

[00:45:39] Film buffs love it.

[00:45:40] Like film crew guys, you say, oh, hi, Mark.

[00:45:43] Oh, are you tearing me apart?

[00:45:44] Everyone is.

[00:45:45] Those the film guys instantly know what you're talking about, unless they're cynical and don't

[00:45:50] really.

[00:45:51] They do so much working on movies that you don't have to make time to watch it.

[00:45:55] You know?

[00:45:57] All I can think is that, you know, watching the, you know, this sex scene and I'm seeing

[00:46:02] the girl naked and everything.

[00:46:03] And I'm like, oh, okay.

[00:46:04] And then Tommy Wiseau has to ruin it by showing us his body.

[00:46:07] Yeah.

[00:46:08] That's the best part of the riff tracks where they're like, don't turn around.

[00:46:11] Don't turn around.

[00:46:11] Oh, no.

[00:46:15] Well, the riff tracks version, when they break into that song during that, it might be the

[00:46:20] funniest thing they've ever done.

[00:46:22] Like go fetch the bucket from the hill or something.

[00:46:24] They're trying to get distracted from seeing what you're seeing.

[00:46:27] You come up with this song.

[00:46:29] It's really funny.

[00:46:30] It's a great song.

[00:46:33] Oh, man.

[00:46:37] Yeah.

[00:46:37] One thing to go back to the question of how would you improve the room for one thing.

[00:46:42] We've already touched on it.

[00:46:44] Don't let Tommy Wiseau have any input on the sex scenes.

[00:46:48] Yeah.

[00:46:49] Okay.

[00:46:49] So let's say we're remaking it.

[00:46:51] Like if we want to bring Greg back, that's already out of the window.

[00:46:55] Like we don't have to worry about anything else.

[00:46:58] Yeah.

[00:46:58] But a lot of character development and just weeding out the characters that were in there.

[00:47:04] There are so many characters that really played the best tertiary roles in there.

[00:47:11] Show that he's having a mental breakdown or something.

[00:47:14] Otherwise, what's the point of a therapy session if there's no emotional reward to the audience?

[00:47:20] Yeah.

[00:47:20] And just try to figure out why did Lisa go from loving Tommy to hating him or just wanting to be there?

[00:47:30] Yeah.

[00:47:31] Well, yeah.

[00:47:33] Yeah.

[00:47:33] And she would be hating him and still having sex with him and then hating him again.

[00:47:38] Yeah.

[00:47:39] Acting like he always she's always acting like Mark took advantage or is like you encouraged me.

[00:47:48] Yeah.

[00:47:48] Yeah.

[00:47:48] And also Lisa's mom, she goes from being being Johnny's biggest fan to saying you need to dump him.

[00:47:58] And Mark.

[00:47:59] Well, does he provide for you?

[00:48:01] Yeah.

[00:48:01] There are so many there are so many switches that really don't make sense.

[00:48:07] So having a little bit more character development, cutting out a lot of the stuff, doing a better job of explaining what why Kenny is there if he even needs to be there.

[00:48:23] Was the room's production being made completely Tommy Wiseau with his script?

[00:48:30] I mean, was there kind of?

[00:48:32] Yeah.

[00:48:35] Yeah.

[00:48:36] Well, I mean, that makes sense because the dialogue didn't make sense.

[00:48:40] So that kind of makes sense.

[00:48:43] I love this tongue twister.

[00:48:47] So.

[00:48:50] Oh, man.

[00:48:51] But again, like.

[00:48:54] I can't think of anything else which was bad and people still want to even waste time making sense of.

[00:49:00] Like.

[00:49:01] Usually when it's a lost cause, we just don't spend any more time on it.

[00:49:06] And it's just funny.

[00:49:07] People want to know more about.

[00:49:10] What's so?

[00:49:13] Well, I don't need to know any more about him.

[00:49:16] I'm surprised.

[00:49:17] Actually, when I looked over his IMDB stuff, how much he's actually done since.

[00:49:22] Which surprised me.

[00:49:23] I didn't think he'd actually done that much.

[00:49:25] Mm-hmm.

[00:49:27] But.

[00:49:28] And so.

[00:49:29] So he did Best Friends 1 and 2.

[00:49:32] Is that the two other movies?

[00:49:33] Or was there.

[00:49:34] Yeah, that's pretty much all I was focusing on.

[00:49:36] Just because.

[00:49:37] Yeah.

[00:49:37] It's just interesting seeing someone want to improve.

[00:49:40] I always want to give someone the moment of the draw.

[00:49:42] Like.

[00:49:44] I don't think the Birdemic guy, for instance, James Yen could ever improve.

[00:49:48] But I would want to give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he could do.

[00:49:53] Well, maybe him and Tommy Wiseau need to team up on a movie.

[00:49:56] Oh, that won't happen.

[00:49:57] It's a funny fact.

[00:49:58] But fuck.

[00:49:58] No, no, no.

[00:49:59] But for real.

[00:50:00] Like, years ago, I saw a video interview with Yen.

[00:50:03] Like, he legit hates the room.

[00:50:05] But he thinks his work is a masterpiece.

[00:50:07] That's how ego-driven he is.

[00:50:10] So.

[00:50:11] Yeah.

[00:50:12] It's like hearing football players talk shit about another team.

[00:50:15] But they're not much better.

[00:50:16] And you're like, really?

[00:50:17] Okay.

[00:50:20] Well, not everybody can be the Detroit Lions.

[00:50:23] Sorry, Mike.

[00:50:24] I just knew there was going to be something thrown at someone else.

[00:50:28] My God.

[00:50:33] Yeah.

[00:50:33] But the room could do.

[00:50:35] The room, best friends, all that could be.

[00:50:39] Could really be elevated with just a few.

[00:50:47] Major improvement.

[00:50:48] It's like an extreme home makeover with Ty Burnell and maybe Gary Marshall.

[00:50:57] I don't know.

[00:50:58] Have Seth McFarlane get a hold of it.

[00:51:00] Hey.

[00:51:01] Have Seth McFarlane get a hold of it.

[00:51:02] I'll play Shirley.

[00:51:05] Have Seth McFarlane get a hold of it.

[00:51:06] Rewrite the script.

[00:51:08] I would actually see that.

[00:51:09] Like, if.

[00:51:11] Farland's rebooting so many things with his time.

[00:51:13] And I can't blame him.

[00:51:14] I'd probably do something like that, too, if I wanted to make use of my time.

[00:51:18] But, like, I could see him just.

[00:51:20] I don't know.

[00:51:21] Like, just doing something like that.

[00:51:23] Where he's just like.

[00:51:25] All righty.

[00:51:26] We're going to do the room.

[00:51:28] Have you seen the TV show for Ted?

[00:51:32] Not yet.

[00:51:32] Did you like it?

[00:51:34] I liked it a lot.

[00:51:35] I thought it was pretty good.

[00:51:37] Okay.

[00:51:38] Shoot.

[00:51:39] I got it.

[00:51:39] I got it.

[00:51:40] I know Dana Gould's involved with it somehow.

[00:51:42] Oh, yeah.

[00:51:43] That's our boy.

[00:51:44] Oh, he's involved with Ted?

[00:51:46] That makes so much better sense, though.

[00:51:48] Like, if you put them in a room together, they do kind of sound very similar.

[00:51:53] Well, what's that guy?

[00:51:54] You know, on Orville, the red-headed guy.

[00:51:57] Gould is like the biggest.

[00:51:59] Scott Grimes?

[00:51:59] Scott Grimes.

[00:52:00] Yeah, Scott Grimes.

[00:52:01] From ER.

[00:52:01] He's in it playing.

[00:52:02] He's in it playing the dad.

[00:52:05] Nice.

[00:52:06] Because it's, you know, him as a teenager.

[00:52:11] I wanted Christopher Walken to play with So in a remake years ago, but I think Odenkirk

[00:52:16] is perfect just because now he's just showing on just so many paranoid characters that he's

[00:52:21] played.

[00:52:22] Well, you know what they slay.

[00:52:26] Wait a minute.

[00:52:26] That's Christopher Walken.

[00:52:28] I know Christopher Walken doing Gami with So, not exactly the most normal thing I've done.

[00:52:38] What is normal anymore?

[00:52:44] So, I'll tell you this.

[00:52:47] Trash the sex scene or just make it to where they're about to make out and the rest has left

[00:52:51] our imagination.

[00:52:52] Don't make this be a stupid, you know, what looks like an erotic thriller.

[00:52:58] And it's like, no.

[00:53:00] Stop.

[00:53:02] Just make it just be.

[00:53:06] Have the dialogue be taught.

[00:53:08] If we got to bring David Mamet and Aaron Sorkin in, fuck it.

[00:53:11] Let's do it.

[00:53:11] You know, just make it be enticing to where people want to know about these people and

[00:53:15] why they're such hypocrites and driven by fame and fortune.

[00:53:20] You know, just like.

[00:53:22] And yeah, there's there's so much that was left on the table or in some cases, maybe the

[00:53:27] in their mind, in their eyes or the cutting room floor that could have easily have explained

[00:53:35] things a little bit better or at least.

[00:53:38] I feel like there was nothing on the cutting room floor.

[00:53:42] I mean, the fact that they had to show the same sex scene from barely a different angle.

[00:53:47] You're like, it's the same scene.

[00:53:50] Oh, now we're getting to the guy talking about his underwears.

[00:53:53] Yeah.

[00:53:55] Why does he emphasize it that way?

[00:53:57] Me underwears.

[00:53:59] The thing about it was, is that going back to the sex scene, Tommy wanted to do two of

[00:54:06] them, but the actress said, nope, I'm.

[00:54:10] So that's kind of where that kind of came from.

[00:54:13] Good on her.

[00:54:15] Yeah.

[00:54:16] Sticking up.

[00:54:17] Oh, yeah.

[00:54:18] That's another thing.

[00:54:19] When he was having sex, you know, it looked like he was actually putting it in her belly

[00:54:22] butt.

[00:54:27] Well, maybe that's what we do it where I'm, where I come from, which could be out of space.

[00:54:32] It's got to dry hump it that way just to give it some extra.

[00:54:36] I don't know.

[00:54:38] Yeah.

[00:54:38] So here we are again, trying to make sense of something that just can't make any sense.

[00:54:43] No, no, no.

[00:54:44] Tommy, Tommy, it's down here.

[00:54:46] Tommy, it's down here.

[00:54:47] A little more.

[00:54:48] Yeah.

[00:54:48] You know, you know what else would going back to not making something make sense that doesn't

[00:54:55] make sense.

[00:54:56] The original ending of the room had Tommy.

[00:54:59] We so had Johnny being a vampire.

[00:55:02] Ah, whoa.

[00:55:04] Oh, that's right.

[00:55:07] You know, I would, but it would have actually.

[00:55:11] And okay.

[00:55:12] So let's just for the record, the film wouldn't have worked still, but at least you could understand

[00:55:16] why it's just everybody's just so weird.

[00:55:19] They're not human.

[00:55:21] Yeah.

[00:55:22] I come to suck your blood, huh?

[00:55:25] They're all his familiars or whatever.

[00:55:29] Something, man.

[00:55:32] Well, you know, there's been a million love triangle movies, but can you honestly say there's

[00:55:37] any like the room, you know?

[00:55:40] It kind of, there's, what do you compare this to, you know?

[00:55:44] Uh, my ass in a black hole.

[00:55:49] Yeah.

[00:55:50] It's a, it's compare.

[00:55:52] I got nothing else, man.

[00:55:54] I got nothing else.

[00:55:57] Yeah, this one's, yeah.

[00:55:59] Tom's coming in hot on this one.

[00:56:07] Well, how does best friends end?

[00:56:10] You know, I actually don't remember.

[00:56:12] I thought I had all the homework done and you asked me the magic question.

[00:56:17] I don't think it necessarily ends so much as it kind of.

[00:56:21] They ran out of money.

[00:56:23] Yeah, pretty much.

[00:56:24] They.

[00:56:25] Well, I was actually surprised that I'm looking at it says, this says best friends part one

[00:56:32] and it's an hour and 45 minutes.

[00:56:35] What couldn't they tell in?

[00:56:37] Yeah.

[00:56:37] 90 minutes.

[00:56:39] And I'm sitting there going, well, I'm going to watch it, but I kind of don't want to.

[00:56:45] And then I was going to try to get the part two, but I had trouble trying to find it.

[00:56:49] Yeah, I actually found it.

[00:56:51] If you have YouTube premium, both volumes one and two are on there for free.

[00:56:57] Oh, okay.

[00:56:58] For free, Mark, for free.

[00:57:00] I saw part one for free.

[00:57:02] Part two, I did see that on there, but I had to pay something for it.

[00:57:06] Yeah, I didn't spend any money on these and no one should.

[00:57:09] But do get you a Blu-ray in the room.

[00:57:13] Give it to someone as an April Fool's joke.

[00:57:16] Just.

[00:57:18] I'll just record off my riff tracks.

[00:57:20] That's probably better.

[00:57:21] Oh, there you go.

[00:57:22] Or the whole thing is that if you have somebody who's really down, really kind of depressed,

[00:57:27] maybe they're going through a job loss or they're trying to find their way in life,

[00:57:32] you go to the room and say, this motherfucker made a movie.

[00:57:35] You can do better.

[00:57:37] You can do better.

[00:57:38] Well, you could just, if they're really depressed, you can show them that movie and they will feel better anyway.

[00:57:44] Because at least that's not their life.

[00:57:46] Yeah.

[00:57:48] Oh, and don't forget the parentheses around the R in Friends, so it's Best Fiends.

[00:57:54] That's what I was wondering about because it does have the R in it.

[00:57:57] It's labeled as a legit comedy thriller.

[00:58:00] I feel it's not funny, but I love their chemistry together because they actually seemed like they wanted to finish this movie as opposed to Greg's being like,

[00:58:10] Tommy, you're driving me over the edge.

[00:58:12] I can't stand up for you anymore.

[00:58:16] Well, I did see a brief interview with him where he's talking about he wrote the movie.

[00:58:20] He's trying to show that Tommy Wiseau had range or whatever.

[00:58:26] I'm like, I didn't see it.

[00:58:29] Well, to be fair, he has range.

[00:58:34] It may be the range of a Daisy air rifle, but still it's range.

[00:58:38] Of an air rifle.

[00:58:39] It's not even Shatner level camp where you're like, I want him to overact.

[00:58:46] Be gone.

[00:58:48] Be gone.

[00:58:50] Now, you know what?

[00:58:52] Let's remake.

[00:58:53] Lisa, you are.

[00:58:54] Lisa, you are.

[00:58:56] I was just rolling my eyes.

[00:58:57] Carry me a bar.

[00:58:59] You are.

[00:58:59] Carry me.

[00:59:00] A bar.

[00:59:01] No.

[00:59:02] I was rolling.

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