The X-Files Season 1 & 2 Review

[00:00:00] This podcast is a production of Unfiltered Studios. If you would like to know more about joining Unfiltered Studios, please visit our website at unfpod.com for more information. Welcome all, welcome all once again. Once again, we are talking about a show that has changed just about all of us, for better or worse. I kid, there is no worse. It's for the better. And that is Chris Carter's The X-Files.

[00:00:30] And, again, there's just something about it that's just, you know, it's got an 8.6 on IMDb for a reason. Again, that is not the final end-all be-all. Generally, if I've encountered anybody who didn't like it, it was really just down to, I saw a bad episode, it was hard for me to get into. There's all kinds of reasons. Everyone's got reasons, but there's no reason why anyone shouldn't check out The X-Files.

[00:00:55] And so, again, just like we do with any pop culture show, we try to validate everybody and really explain why something was just so hot back in the day. Why it's so captivating. So, enjoy one of several different X-Files revisits. You're going to hear some clips from earlier episodes spliced into newer stuff, but, you know, this is what these intros are for.

[00:01:23] So, just enjoy. I'm going to start us off, though. I'm, you know, with all the seasoned overview of the show, I'm just going to give just some brief glossary before we go into the thick of it. Again, just the first season of The X-Files was in September 10th, 1993. There were five mythical episodes, or mythology episodes, if you will.

[00:01:52] So, I'm always going to give that disclaimer for those who want to watch just the serialized stuff. It's got an 83% on Rotten Tomatoes with a 96 audience score. It's a 4.2 on Serialized. It's the only season other than the newest ones that you can find reviews for on Metacritic.

[00:02:16] It had a generally favorable grade of 70% on a 100 scale from 14 critics reviews. It had an 8.6 from users, so universal acclaim, and that's based off over 200. And the highest rated review was the Entertainment Weekly and Orlando Sentinel, both saying it's off to a pleasant start.

[00:02:43] The lowest rated reviews for the first few episodes were by the Philadelphia Daily News and Washington Post, who found it very dull. So, again, it didn't catch on right away, but there you have it. So, basically, yeah, the first season just started off the whole just... Dana Scully, you know, she's a scientific doctor.

[00:03:09] She's working with conspiracy theorists and one of the newer FBI recruits, Fox Mulder, who's good at having zany arguments mixed in with problem solving. And so they are introduced to the X-Files, which is basically what they think is just cold cases is actually for ignored mysteries. And the answers defy any kind of scientific explanation.

[00:03:37] They get along as they hunt for what lies beyond the unknown, whether it's humans with untold abilities, supernatural phenomenon, and the first possible piece of evidence about extraterrestrials. Something that higher-ups refuse to disclose, though by any means possible, legal or not. So, there you have it. For the... Also, as part of this episode, we're going to review Season 2, because... So, that's the other thing. Just...

[00:04:05] I grouped a lot of these seasons together, because a lot of them go into each other. But I thought we'd do just a few of them at the time. So, with X-Files Season 2, there were eight mythology episodes. And, again, it's just... We... Our heroes come back. The X-Files is almost closed down. And then reopened again. It introduces us to several recurring characters.

[00:04:31] Mr. X, who informs Mulder on different unusual cases. Alex Krychek, who's Alex's partner turned traitor. The alien bounty hunter, who is a shape-shifting alien assassin. Hence the name. And... This word starts becoming an Emmy, darling.

[00:04:53] So, once again, Season 2 has an 89% Rotten Tomatoes score and a 97% audience score. It is a 4.332 on serialized Mulder and Scully. Find an alien fetus. And after the death of one of their close informants, they're reassigned to two different jobs.

[00:05:23] With Mulder being a telephone tapper and Scully teaching at Quantico's FBI Academy. But they do their best to still continue the hunt for the hidden truth. And there's more deadly monsters, more morally ambiguous foes, as well as growing paranoia. And Cigarette Smoking Man starts to lurk. And his power matches his grasp on the reality of extraterrestrials.

[00:05:52] Woo, creepy. So, here are the rest of us. Take it away. And enjoy the rest of the show. X-Files collection on video. There are beings, aren't there, Dwayne? Are they tall or small? No! Dominion? No! The best of seasons 1 and 2.

[00:06:20] Digitally mastered with two files on each tape. Listen to me, Scully. This thing exists. What I find fantastic is any notion that there are answers beyond the realm of science. I know what I saw, Scully. Scully. Scully, you may not be who you are.

[00:06:51] Expect the extraordinary. They only have one policy. Deny everything. Believe the impossible. Own the X-Files.

[00:07:48] Seriously, thank you all for being here. I've already done an intro to the show, summing up what happens in the seasons, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah. How many mythology episodes there are. So, it's kind of just going to be kind of a very lax, just kind of we'll go in whatever we want to and just covering the first two seasons. And wonderful guest here. Let me introduce you. I got John Holman back. It's been a minute. We had you on an Amblin entertainment discussion. Yep. We got a cosplayer herself, the Xandra Files.

[00:08:18] Welcome. Hi. Thanks for having me. Thank you, Cosplay. Thank you. Yes, we got Family Plots Dean Bowes. Welcome. Nice to meet everybody. Hello. Glad to have you back. We got Sohan Sohu back. Love his blog. Hey, everyone. He always gets the nitty gritty. He'll go with a theme to week. He'll cover a director or actor's deep cuts in their resume. Follow him on Instagram. We got Movies by Minutes King. Matthew Soto.

[00:08:47] If you need someone who can do impressions, he is your man. Him and Cosmic. Love you guys both. I love all of those movies by Minutes. That is a good unofficial family, if there was ever one. Sum up a movie one minute at a time and just have a ball. It will make you better with your diction and why you love this thing and can cover any scene from it. And we have from Instagram, Amanda from Obsessed with Stabler, the number one Supernatural fan.

[00:09:16] Here on this channel tonight. Hi. And so this is neat. This is really neat. I've been looking forward to doing these chats for a while. I know I'm boring Sohan with this, but like I was just like, you know, X-Files is hard to decipher. It's not. Even when we did like a brief overview of when we first started this show, I was like, we got to go back. We got to do some deeper cuts. This is the gift. It's like an X-File. Yes. It's just like all the layers.

[00:09:44] It is so funny explaining it to other people who are like, I've never seen it. I'm like, well, that cold case documentary your grandparents watched that, you know, Unsolved Mysteries. Imagine if that was a show. And then imagine if you blended it with all kinds of other, just every kind of genre you can think of. Everybody has their favorite kind of episode, whether it's a comedic one, a horrifying one, an action-packed one, this pure sci-fi one. When just looking back at these first two years,

[00:10:13] this is kind of interesting just in terms of shows that progress and change by the minute. My sister teases me because she's failed to get into this multiple times just because she thinks the pilot's a little unintentionally campy. I'm like, but see, that still was a pretty good pilot in that it just set it all up. Yeah, it's one of the top rated pilots, actually. We were talking off air about movie extra days. I still, to this day, cannot believe that William B. Davis,

[00:10:41] I mean, I can, but it's just, it's a rarity. You know, he was a theater, you know, hardworking character actor. He was credited as an extra those first few years. And then they're like, no, no, no, that guy's smoking in the corner. He must be the one pulling the strings. It's a pretty fast. Well, and it's, it's the same thing with Mitch. Mitch, who plays Skinner. He was, he kept auditioning for bit parts and bit parts and bit parts. And they were just like, yeah, you don't have the look. Sorry.

[00:11:10] And then he ended up becoming, I would say, the second most important character besides the duo. And all he had to do was wait a little bit. So when they brought him in for the last audition, he was grumpy because he had been doing so many auditions. So he was kind of grumpy when he did the take. They missed it. They thought that was intentional acting on his part. And they're like, oh, you're perfect for the boss. Right. And that's how he got the job. Sure.

[00:11:41] That's a good point. Skinner is always defined by that aspect of it. You know, he's more grumpier. I mean, in the first earlier seasons, you know, he's more of an adversary. Like, you know, he represents for me this, you know, corruption institute. Like in the first season, like, you know, William B. Davis is a secret smoking man. If you can look at it, he's more of this. Right. Instead, he is corrupt, corrupt. Well, Skinner at first, he's more adversarial. Later on, he becomes more of an ally. He's the guy who gives you grief. But he would still, he's still often ranked as one of the best bosses ever.

[00:12:10] He's a danger to himself. For sure. And he keeps you out of it. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't. Not in the room. Don't. Don't come in. He genuinely has their best interest at his heart. Yeah. But like you're saying, it was fun going back. I'm like, wait, it's not till the near the end of season one. He comes in. What? I knew the lone gunman came in, but I always remember them coming on later when they were popular.

[00:12:38] So it is just funny how memory just cheats you once in a while. And you're just like, no, no, you got to remember when people were taping this, they were still getting used to the shock value, the atypical. It's different than say a movie like the hidden, let alone a buddy film, like franchise, like 48 hours or lethal weapon. But it's a little bit of those. It's acknowledging those tropes and then doing something different with it is like, yeah.

[00:13:05] So Fox is like a amateur Sherlock Holmes with humor. And Scully is kind of giving me vibes of like Helen Mirren on Prime Suspects. That same kind of just she reads the room before it reads her kind of is like, yeah, God, it's what? So, you know, but and you know that Fox did not want her.

[00:13:29] They wanted a more statuesque actress because they wanted a relationship between Scully and Mulder. And Carter was like, no, we don't want to do Moonlighting Part 2. And what's so funny is that when they cast her, they were like, oh, she's not attractive. And then she ended up becoming one of the biggest sex symbols of the 90s. And Chris Carter, he was on. She redefined. Oh, totally. And she was one of my crushes growing up,

[00:13:57] but she was also like one of my favorite actresses. Like I was just like, this is top notch. No one can do these other subtleties. And she's still acting. She's always doing stuff. So I can't believe they canceled her Western show on Netflix. I'm like, guys, that could have gone somewhere. And she's in another thing about crazy. Yeah. I just saw something recently that said she had died from diabetes. What? Scully? I mean, what a terrible.

[00:14:27] Right. For Scully, I would say this, you know, that she's probably, you know, she's more inspired by Clarice Sterling from South of the Land. Oh, definitely. They straight up said that was. And I never realized that growing up. I'm like, oh, the nickname Scully. Oh. Yeah. She kind of does talk a little bit like that Midwest. Well, look at the way she looks. Yes. Especially in the early seasons. But going back to the guys who's casting. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:14:57] I did hear that awesome chat. And I'll be sure to play a clip of it from Rick Rubin's podcast. And he was interviewing various pop culture magnets and entertainment tycoons. And he had Chris Carter on. And Chris was like, I will not repeat any of the atrocious crap that any of those Fox's X said. But let me just say it wouldn't fly in any era. And I was just beside myself. And so, but that is a good point.

[00:15:23] It's like, we would not be talking about this show in the right reasons if Kevin Sorbo was Mulder. Especially now. And especially if Pam was, you know, was playing freaking. And don't get me wrong. She was an okay community actress, but she got exploited. So it's like, yeah. It's like, it would have. It just shows you how casting. We hate it when movies are reliant on a cast to carry a dire script. But we also don't like it when the actors change it up so much to where the tone is all over the place. It's like, yeah, that would have been.

[00:15:53] That would have been some other cheesy syndicated show that would have lasted barely a season. Would have faded in to obscurity. Like I wouldn't have known what to do. We wouldn't be here. And they all acknowledged each other. Chris is like, yeah, it was a good thing. We had to write in, you know, explore everyone's background and make it be about the overarching mystery. Have you guys noticed that the fan base seems to be divided?

[00:16:20] Some people only like the Monsters episodes while some people only like the Free Parters. And I was like, I thought that's the point of any show to keep you watching. I don't find, I think that there's a strong preference. Yeah. But from what I find in the fandom, everybody, for the most part, like does appreciate both sides. Like you have a favorite, but I wouldn't say that we're pitted against each other, if that makes sense.

[00:16:47] Now, you know, once you start getting into the later seasons and how people think about Doggett and Reyes, which I have, you know, some feelings on as well. But it's not, we're not there. We're in one and two. But, you know, I feel like that's where the bigger divide is. I feel like the fandom, for the most part, understands, you know, you have to have that yin and yang of both sides. I think that both of these shows, both of these aspects of the storytelling, I think, are worth the show.

[00:17:16] Like, you know, I mean, in the early season, the mythology arcs were some of the best parts of the show, right? Like An'Zazie, Colony Endgame, Erin Mayer, Flash, or, you know, or then you got some of the standalone episodes like Beyond the Sea, which is like one of the best Scully episodes, I think. Yeah, I think it's one of the best Scully episodes. Yeah. I think it has to have Morgan Wong, then, you know, then season two, the whole An'Zazie and season three on what do you have, dog? Oh, the end of season two into season three is my favorite part of the mythology arc.

[00:17:46] Not a way to end. Yeah. It's like, whoa. That's a way part for me. That three-parter for me is like, you know, is the de facto point of the X-Files. Because in the early season for Munger's characterization, I think in the middle season you feel like he's more of the crown prince in the conspiracy. Yeah. But in the middle season you feel like there's this tragic, there's this, you know, tragic subtext to it. You know what I'm saying? Like there's this idea that he, that his life's meant to overturn, but this, you know, my forces are much more larger than him, you know?

[00:18:16] His Samantha's abduction, et cetera. And they're very... The opening episode of the second season. Yeah. They're very knowledgeable of each other's stature. Like, Scully just says straight up, you can keep preaching to me. I have to go with physical facts. Mm-hmm. And I need something else besides a cover-up. Oh, she's like, I'll go with corruption. Just, but stop with the whole, this is a, you know, Navajo legend. This is a, you know, alien experience. And with her background, it makes sense.

[00:18:44] You know, we don't look at her like, oh, this bitchy stick in the mud. Like, you get where she's coming from. And I have, unfortunately, encountered people like that where they're like, oh, Mulder, you idiot. Or, oh, Scully, you're stubborn. I'm like, that's the point. That's the point. That's why we love them. That's why we love to watch them and their dynamic. And kudos to the writers. They do this throughout the show, but they did this early on where it's like, okay, when something crazy happens, only Mulder saw it.

[00:19:12] So none of the SWAT guys or other federal guys arresting saw it. And if they did, they went home and drunk themselves to death so they can't give any other closure. And there's other times where, you know, she she got knocked out or she fought it or she just is like, well, I thought I saw that, too. But I just am going to refuse to believe that. But then also Mulder will say a few different times like, oh, no, I'm gone too far.

[00:19:37] Like now I don't know what to believe now that I've been taken advantage of this by these serial killers. But I mean, started off with Tombs. I didn't realize he was in the first season. I always remember the reason early, early first season, I misremembered it as season three. And yeah, it was like the third episode. And then later on and by his second appearance, that's where it got a little more graphic where they were implying is like, geez, I'm glad they were artistic and didn't show that.

[00:20:03] But just that mention of what he did to that guard, that psychiatrist is like, yeah. And it's so funny. I have seen some sci-fi and horror fans who have not seen the show. I'm like, oh, buddy, where have you been? Yeah, gotta check this out. That's something for everyone. Gotta check this out. I've tried to even resubmit some of the genres that this is listed on on IMDb. I'm like, guys, this is everything. It's not just sci-fi mystery. No, it's comedy. It's suspense.

[00:20:33] It's drama. It's, you know. It'll make you cry. Oh, yeah. Here's the thing. Yes. In the 90s, when this show came out, I was busy doing stand-up. I never saw a live version. I never caught it live. I didn't catch the reruns. I was busy doing other stuff. And then when I came off the road for a while, I'm like, okay, it's on Hulu. I'm finally going to watch it. And I binged it in like a week.

[00:21:01] I was just, I could not get enough of it into my eyeballs. Heck, I watched Fight the Future three times just so I could try to figure out what was going on with the bees. Yeah, yeah. The killer bees. Okay, so you guys are going to be sad. When this was on the air, I was three years old. Same. I was born in 94. Yeah. But my mom was an OGX file.

[00:21:28] So I always grew up with it like in the background. Like I knew who these people were. I knew what the premise was. But I didn't watch it until much later in my life. And I'm like, oh, no wonder my mom loves it so much. I was on the couch every Friday night with friends. Oh, wow. I can see that. The co-ideology adjusts. When was the second season? When was the second season being broadcast? Was it around 1998? 95. Yeah. Close to 95. My bad.

[00:21:58] Yeah, but fair enough. It's on the bridge. And yeah, you have the Cold War aspect to it. There's obviously the communist anxiety that's throughout the show in this earlier year. You can see that when the show moves to LA, this kind of idea moves away. I think you can see the same thing. But the show is more engaged with ideas of race than, you know, class. Race is something of an aspect that you see.

[00:22:20] I mean, a lot of shows more problematic episodes and episodes like, you know, many John Scheiben episodes fall into this trap as well. You know, exoticized Navajo cultures or other different cultures. El Mando Gira is another example. So, like, it's more unfortunate that the show had to, you know, wonder if these stereotypes of, you know, other non-American species. And yet it still obsures. It's like people like the idea, even though. I'm going to get some

[00:22:50] flack for this. I really love Shapes. It's like the one Navajo guy becoming yeah, he becomes a werewolf at night and there's some holes in it. It's uneven, but I just had fun with the ideas. And Mulder can't intervene. He's like, yeah, there's going to be a lot of red tape at this scene but because you're not part of our culture you can't help us in this encounter. It's always a rich tycoon behind it. I feel like I'm about to sorry you guys.

[00:23:20] I'm listening to all this and I feel like I have only seen about 15 episodes of the X-Files. And I've seen some of the best ones that I've Makes a difference. Yes, yes. The one that's at Home and Beyond the Sea. I've seen both of those. And I'm planning on my first genuine watch of it. Because I saw it through the lens of a 15 year old

[00:23:49] kid who was absolutely convinced that Mulder and Scully were meant to be together. So I want all those episodes. That's how most people feel. And it's so funny when people start watching the show, they're like, so when do they get together? And it's like, well, you're going to have to wait a while. All right, folks. How's that here?

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[00:26:45] That show X-Files is written so smart Season 1 ends with them breaking up and being assigned to different sections because they didn't know if they would get a season 2 Exactly Chris Carter wanted to wrap it in a box so to speak and when it got a season 2 then they figured that out but it's just like all the stuff they laid down in 1 and 2 and the thing is is Jillian Anderson as Scully

[00:27:14] she reads as a former daddy's girl a girl who grew out of it right very much so but you read her dad and if she brought home somebody like Scully that man would have or like Mulder that man would have beat him with a stick Yeah There's been like who's this idiot you're better than this what are you doing Right That's what I did love And so we meet him in seasons 1 and 2 Yeah And so later when he sort of reappears as kind of a ghost

[00:27:44] kind of a spiritual Obi-Wan figure Yeah It makes sense Yeah And that is smart writing because you saw that from season 1 it didn't develop to what season 3 or 4 that the dad died Yeah Yeah But even then like you say is like she never really made him proud but it was just kind of very relatable we've all had some family members like I don't think you're ever gonna understand me but I'm trying damn it

[00:28:13] And it's not that he doesn't love her or support her Yeah I know He just doesn't get it He's a military man He's He's closed off to it This is what you're gonna do and this is why you do it Why don't you just do a boring 9 to 5 yet lucrative job and it's like cause I'm I'm just not gonna do that It's not where I am I think that's one of the reasons why I love But she is the same way Yeah Go ahead Sorry Yeah Yeah I'm just saying that you know that's probably one of the reasons why I love you know

[00:28:42] One Breath so much you know than season 2 It's one of those great episodes I think obviously you have a scene where you know Father comes to talks to her about Scully how so the episode could have descended into a revenge fantasy of sorts you know with Mulder but the show tries to focus more on Scully's drama Scully's drama Scully's tension and I love the scene when you see Mulder sacrificing his revenge

[00:29:11] for essentially what? To get back to Scully to be by her side instead of you know we have to be faceless government agents right and he just literally breaks down his apartment you know that is just David Duchovny that is best in that show in that episode frankly to be speaking Oh yeah Absolutely And Jillian Anderson also you know Jillian Anderson hats off to her you know like she has a great work ethic you know even lets a lot of people Brian Fuller say that about her Chris Carr you know that she literally came off like weeks after

[00:29:41] pregnancy Oh yeah after you know after first child right so that is I mean the show yeah so yeah the show at that point the mythology everything was just humming at that point it's really good One Breath is one of my favorite mythology episodes and you know as for Skinner you know I think it's a great monologue about the Vietnam War and about how it affected him and how it And we get Melissa too and I mean I understand of course why she had to you know

[00:30:11] why she had to be sacrificed but you know I feel like for a character that has such a short amount of screen time she makes a big impact and I feel like that goes for a lot of characters we see early on like Deep Throat you know how many episodes truly is he in when you look at it but yet we all remember him because he made an impact and I feel like the same way he's looming in the background yeah

[00:30:40] it's so funny you brought him up and it even reminds me of Scott Blevins as like I had to even get other people in the loop on the rewatch so I'm like okay yeah yeah he's down the road but yeah you only know him that first season as the guy even in the flashbacks as the guy who hired Scully you know you're kind of trusting some of what he says because he's wearing glasses and then makes you realize you know again looks are not everything

[00:31:09] this guy is part of the syndicate and how ironic that he's a fall guy but I did find it funny on rewatch how without Phil I have a feeling that I love how Mulder derogatorily calls him director J. Edgar Jr. but I thought it was so funny how Donald Logue's character Tom Colton who's in the Tombs episode you do think he's going to be a bigger part of it but in my mind he's definitely one of the other underlings

[00:31:39] who's like yeah we're into some shady stuff there's a reason I'm being reassigned like no one's being professional here but it's so funny when he first shows up when they had the scare Scully's wandering around in the garage and bumps into him he's like what the hell are you doing here it's like looking for whoever we're looking for but it's just so funny it's like they have a good sense like you said like Zandra said the distrust and then the elephant in the room and then followed by

[00:32:08] when someone makes a terrible decision the show still addresses that or acknowledges that I never feel like it's one of those lesser action movies or slasher dramas or something where you're just like okay but this is happening because someone's making a very bad script and it's on film it's like no that was intended the characters making a bad decision in this moment and Scully or Mulder is going to point it out because they're no sheep you know

[00:32:37] and I always love how you know when things start getting too serious or too scary one of them will like say something funny or say you know like before we pass judgment you know we're in the Arctic what do you mean yeah what do you expect hearing all these behind the scenes stories has only made me guffaw even more where I'm like someone actually said that behind the scenes how funny Duchovny hated

[00:33:07] putting on this makeup Jillian hated saying that line but see even with knowing that trivia and doing those rewatches like I couldn't make out any episode where someone was unhappy I think they were really truly professional and having seen these recent convention videos where they're joking how they can't remember every episode off and they still kind of make light of it it's like guys I lived it I lived it so sorry if I can't know the name off the back I mean I knew

[00:33:37] some of these when I was first watching it but some of these is like they are so cryptic you do need to watch them once a year if you want to know all the secrets I was I was watching these episodes when they were happening and it's been so long I have forgotten so much of this show it's amazing it's been like how long decades it's been decades but even then I was reminding other people like I had you for years that's my folks so when did you guys stop watching

[00:34:06] when Mulder got taken which season this is so funny it just it kind of if anything reminds us how we all remember things differently we compound it differently and no matter how many times your brain is gonna make room for that because it's like I can only keep up with so much but going back to Zandra and Dean both pointed out the moving to different departments

[00:34:36] is good because it also they find ways to keep it fresh because it's like you know Mulder is going to get suspended or in trouble regardless of who the director is whether it's Kersh or Skinner you know Skinner's keeping something and he's slowly slowly letting in on him is like okay agent since you're a big boy you're a big girl now now I'll let you know and and slowly introducing cancer man just implying him and there was there's bad

[00:35:06] episodes later on but I was really impressed in this rewatch in season one and season two like when it ends so disappointing it still leaves me wanting more and see that's so hard to do and that is what I applaud with the show it is like oh they got so cool the talent of the cast too I feel like even with the worst writing they're giving it their all and you can't help but see that and say well it's still even if the writing's bad it still feels real because of what

[00:35:35] they're bringing to it a thousand percent I was fortunate enough to talk to the fan X-Files fan retrospect and they were just blown away just talking to all the crew members is like wow they're always on time on budget that's crazy because you've heard so many other shows about them you know being pressed for time having to reduce stuff last minute some of the best stuff was the worst to make and like very little of that it just was only

[00:36:05] just the flying to Canada that was the pain in the butt for everybody but yeah it's like even the production design I am blown away by is like they make use of everything whether it's just a simple case showing an ancient cryptic thing about to be unleashed on the world or just a voyeuristic shot just showing something that's about some town that's about to be impacted they they focus on what's going to be a

[00:36:34] foreshadowed later on deal and you still can't help thinking that was a one time occurrence but why do I have a feeling they're going to do a similar episode like that down the road because they will but yeah this one person is definitely going to get their own clip show yeah sure they did film that episode in BC right was that ice or was that little green men what was that

[00:37:04] no I believe little green men was in South America somewhere right little green men wasn't there you go okay so by that point it was probably ice that makes sense oh and I looking at how they remastered it it holds up other than the stock footage which again they just had to do because not going to go to an icy mountain you know can't remaster you guys talk about season two the opening stretch from this to like ascension

[00:37:35] Wayne a lot of it is definitely you know impact by Jill Anderson's pregnancy because that was the reason why that split in the first place right but I would never know that I literally would never know that but even the show serialization was you know more driven by external factors rather than internal choices you know sure the show later capitalized on these choices but when I look back on the shows serialization aspect of it they were more driven by external factors more driven by improvisation rather than you know yes

[00:38:05] inherent internal effect I mean sure there was a mythology in season one but it was more scattershot more or less how do I say more or less intricate and Steve railsback that was brilliant casting you've already are best known for movies like the stuntman with Peter O'Toole a bit of other B-movie stuff he still occasionally works but it's like he's best known as playing Charles Manson in Helter Skelter miniseries and now I'm going to play a different kind of cult leader on a serialized

[00:38:35] TV show and I'm Dwayne Berry and how brilliant how not only does he have trouble trusting Mulder Mulder isn't sure if he really trusts him after a while and then you know you get the real big reveal but you understand all the delusion that occurred as a result is like at the same time they're both related in that they both believe in this alien existence and it's just what an unusual hostage taking you know

[00:39:05] and again two-parter and that's a great two-parter that feels like two different episodes stitched together that's a great two-parter like one is a hostage episode one is more of an action road through if you want to call it that way and also the second two-parter season two is like one of the good things about season two is how much it co-edifies of a season structure you have an opening two-parter you have a middle two-parter like colony endgame something and then you have a big finale like something like unzossly or the new

[00:39:35] blessing way reduct sorry I forgot the other three more names but yeah like colony endgame on the other hand you know like how what an unusual way to start out something involving a submarine you're like what and then I've liked Brian Thompson a lot and it is so funny hearing him speak he's very a little loony but he's a it is so funny how it's so cliched the person who's likable on screen tends to be a jerk and with Brian Thompson well just

[00:40:05] that's just a cliche in Hollywood but it is so funny how he's playing all these villains you know and he's one of the punks in the first Terminator he's in Cobra that stupid Stallone movie and here he is being on all these Buffy roles and Dragon Heart and in this case yeah X-Files is probably his best known role as the alien bounty hunter and he's a nice dude but he's that physically intimidating guy he wasn't deep enough to be a Schwarzenegger Dolph Lundgren type and so

[00:40:34] that's why he's made a living being all these Klingons all these vampires all these creatures he just has that aura to him and when he does is allowed to finally speak it is like man he could have played it so campy but the alien bounty hunter is just awesome because he's basically the T-1000 of the show he responds and I don't even though he's kind of like the boar he's single objective minded he has a way

[00:41:04] of whatever they give him to say that's not too fancy and it's not too cute it's not unintentionally campy he could have easily played it as a Freddy Cougar type no he's like no I'm going to play it as a guy who is like give me who I'm looking for you know let me complete the circle let me continue the alien invasion and you can keep killing me like everybody else you know if you play it authentically we'll believe it totally and it is so funny how

[00:41:36] he will always be this physically intimidating persona thanks to the show and I but yeah the two partners really kick into gear for season two and I like how as it goes on is like that they start making it

[00:42:10] where he tricks them and find a way to tie it together even though they're like you're gasping at straws there that is I love how they start they started off with little green men and you know and getting to see getting to see Mulder the kid and find out how his sister gets taken and whether it's in the living room or the

[00:42:40] episode that way and like I get to not like I had to change my shirt I was sweating a storm I was like oh I have been on the ground screaming at the end of episodes sometimes you there were times where I was like you did you do that oh well you have a joke with my husband that whenever the CSM pisses me off I

[00:43:29] know any other actor would just do and I'm an evil guy but that or just a crappy some James Bond or Alan Rickman wannabe is like okay you're British but that's all you got you know Rickman provides eloquence and he's I love him in a Hans Gruber way in that he is smarter than the average bear and when he's upended or betrayed it's legit shock like oh fuck I thought

[00:43:59] that was returned by Ratboy or Marita or the bounty hunter but that was a cool thing too and I had to explain that to everyone it's a little confusing at first when it's like oh no is you know when is Mulder's mom going to be in jeopardy and I love how Cancer Man he instructs the alien bounty hunter keep her intact it will

[00:44:29] only provide more questions if we have a vengeance you know seeking ex federal agent on our hands and they do acknowledge not just what's not working the syndicate is growing impatient and this season they do start as

[00:44:59] well well man I well manic man one of mine I think he also introduced to you know cry check cry is one of my favorite antagonist that's like a green purple foiled Mulder as well. A lot of the years, a lot of people have paired Grychick and Mulder as a comorotic subject for this show. Oh, for God's sakes. Or just in creativity, you gotta love it. Go for it. I see that. Go for it.

[00:45:28] But yeah, for season two, season two for me is also the show in Colony Endgame especially. Where you see the show, it's above in very essence, it's very Star Wars. In this show, you see children accepting the world their parents created and living with their parents' betrayal because you figure out Mulder's father is involved with a conspiracy that takes away Samantha, that disintegrates his family, as I've said. So it's essentially a story about Mulder,

[00:45:56] essentially a story about how can he bring his family back? Can he find a family for him? Because it's a pretty religious experience for him. He was his sister and he decides to do that's biggest motivation. In the X-Files, right? So it's very much this sort of, you know, like, you know, it's very much, how do I say it? It's very much about his Mulder trying to confront the sins of his father. This is the reason why I love N'Zazi and the three-parter that goes on. Because that three-parter for me essentially codifies this exact thing to the show.

[00:46:27] Right? Yeah. And it's so funny growing up, being a Monty Python guy that I was, I checked out, of course, anything else Terry Gilliam was. So I only knew John Neville as, you know, oh, that's Baron Munchausen. And then I, it was so funny going from the rewatches. Like, I know he's one of the main guys in a suit. And just, I can never remember who's complicit in the syndicate and who, again, is kind of being more eloquent with their cover-up. Like, it's all off-screen and they just got all the offshore accounts.

[00:46:56] And it is so funny how he keeps going against Cancer Man throughout this. And it's just like, yeah, he's, but they do a good job of implying that, yeah, he's going to contact someone who is later veiled to be Krychek and some of those other guys. And it's like, you realize it's like, yeah, they didn't have an actor cast yet. They just had, it's like, they were going to just show who that was. And so it is funny when you look at which episodes were, it's just William B. Davis's hand. And he's not credited. It's like, yeah, but that's clearly Cancer Man

[00:47:25] hanging up the phone that Scully's calling on the other end. Or, and the fact that they later are going to bring in Mr. X and some of those other guys is like, yeah, Scully, you're going to need more friends and Mulder, you're going to need better informants because everyone's sources are pretty much, pretty bad. Like, it's just pretty hard to do a job. And Scully is going to be in denial. He's like, no, no,

[00:47:56] dismiss this, release him. Because if you arrest this person, then he's going to get killed. And then we're going to have to explain to the press and this is not for them to know. And it almost reminds you of my, kind of how, like my father and I would joke about whoever's in president. I wonder what they, if they show you what's in the suitcase and all the codes and all the other stuff and all the other stuff you have, you have to know going into it regardless of what persona

[00:48:25] you put on for the public. And so, yeah, I, I was just really having a lot of fun. It's like, they acknowledge the public finding about their shenanigans and so they encounter some needy-greedy journalists once in a while and other people in closed-off communities who is like, yeah, I've heard of your kind. You're in a suit. I don't trust him. Season two is also the first look we get at Skinner

[00:48:53] sort of stepping into the role of the hero he will eventually become because it's what? You know he's got mystery. Six, seven, maybe eight episodes in that he goes to Mulder and he's like, what we're gonna do is reopen the X-Files because the people who would be scared are gonna be most scared of that. And it's at that moment you're like, oh, he's not a complete asshat. You realize that he's a good guy because at first you're on the fence. You're like,

[00:49:23] oh, I don't know about him. But then after a while you realize, okay, he really does always have their best interest at heart. He's, he's got their back. For sure. The show just makes so many smart decisions and I, it's amazing to me that one of its, it's, the things it's based on is Kolchak the Night Stalker which is a show I love but it's clearly monster of the week format. Yeah. Never improved. Not serialized

[00:49:53] but similar in that they find a way of just like getting your attention and so just like I was joking like I had an aunt and uncle who didn't like gangster movies but watched The Sopranos every Sunday Monday night and same deal here with X-Files. I knew so many people growing up is like, I don't like horror movies. I think action movies are stupid. I do sci-fi in small doses so it was funny I was like you had every kind of person who's watching this and

[00:50:22] it was like yeah I don't do cop shows I don't really do movies and it's like it really looks still so theatrical you can take certain episodes and you're like I don't know how they even achieved that shot I don't know how they filmed that plot twist I don't know how they found the meat and potatoes but going back to Zandra and Matt and John's take on Skinner yeah man like you know he's hiding something and they're able to stage it very well he's not just the angry curmudgeon

[00:50:52] who says I need your badge done for the day like it is also fun just kind of seeing how all these actors just had very reasonable backstories they'd been working but by this point they're getting fan mail from the early days of the internet message boards and magazines it's the birth of the modern fandom Bosax Files totally yeah and how it should be it's like I I don't like it guess what still watching it hey yeah I've been in a lot of fandoms

[00:51:21] over the years but nobody has been more kind more welcoming more open to discussion than the X-Files community it's pretty incredible and I think that comes from a strong foundation well and you see Game of Thrones and Walking Dead now and it seems like you can't tell if people are going to be having fun or if it's just going to be an argument about oh where did it go wrong it's like that's not what you want people are going to talk about it

[00:51:50] day in and day out and like Sohan was saying yes there are some toxic people bringing up the whole will they or won't they of the two leads but even then they are still here for the main storyline so it is it is weird how it's like someone had to get through is like make the effort and yeah I don't know it really is a miracle and so as I was saying before what do you

[00:52:20] think people can learn from this in the future like future screenwriters future people trying to make similar kinds of shows because these guys you know time is not being kind to us these guys aren't going to be with us forever you know do you think they could take a course like just watch a select few episodes and say here's how you frame a story structure here's how you have a catchy plot twist especially with season 2 here's how you write organic characters and you know

[00:52:49] show the moments that just let them be them like I mean how many how often do we associate Mulder with throwing his pencils on the ceiling you know that's such a little thing that he does but we all remember it and that's just that's just him doing his thing you know we little things like that make them more authentic and real and giving them space to have those little moments even though it's you know Mulder

[00:53:19] throwing his pencils is not crucial to the plot it makes us more invested in him you know and going on you know with Vince Gilligan's later work since he was so involved with the show you know his shows do the exact same thing you let us know these characters and everything that makes them them and then we're going to be invested in their time bombs even I have a question since you

[00:53:49] live in Albuquerque did you work on Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul I did not work on Breaking Bad or Saul because we didn't live here at the time but I did work on Pluribus and if you have not seen Pluribus yet go watch it it is so fantastic I had to explain to someone they're like what's the Breaking Bad guy working on that I'm like thank you that's Vince who does all the satirical and there are so

[00:54:19] many like there's so much X-Files influence in Pluribus too and it's just so cool to see it come full circle Pluribus it's on Apple TV it is getting a lot of awards and nominations which thank goodness and people get it they understand it it's fantastic every other show is being out of context or being a Fred war people and I did I did get to talk with him

[00:54:49] directly and my god is he the most down to earth guy he doesn't realize that he is who he is he thinks he is just a kid with his friends making a movie like that's the attitude he brings and it shows you know it shows that he's passionate about what he does and he's not just there for a paycheck it's kind of why you can endure more often when it's like yeah it's fun I love coming to work even in his breaking bad commentaries like you see when you see he's more humble he's more

[00:55:18] he brought shabon and some of the others along yeah yeah this is like but same kind of approach same kind of ways he shoots is like take time with the quiet moments take time with the fast moments don't ever feel like you're leaving someone out of being involved and glad you guys brought up the season two premiere though because like I wish more shows would film it that way is like yeah a double sided sword a double edged sword in terms of the answer is like

[00:55:48] who took Mulder's sister and who's this mysterious man and even me who used to speak a little Spanish is like even I am this guy's talking more than just difficult Spanish code is like I need to come to this mysterious satellite base it's in South America get here now I'm like what come to the rainforest the rainforest and now you got to get in a car before the militia shows up to burn all the evidence is like what mission failed second part of the mission also

[00:56:18] fell and by the way here's the mission part of the mythology arc he literally said in his X-Files interviews that the mythology arcs are never my thing my thing are always ten long

[00:56:48] episodes so it's kind of ironic that he went on to create three of the greatest TV shows of our time Breaking Bad Better Call Saul so that is very interesting to me as someone he never wrote the Secret Smoking Man that he never cared for the serialization aspect of television that he went on to write the X-Files and you can see that a lot of his influence a lot of his darker comedy aspects you see that Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul so that is Well I feel like maybe he just didn't have the connection to the characters

[00:57:17] because they didn't come from him but then once he did create his own world that that's something he could better further There's plenty of people who you go oh why didn't they have a bigger career you know they did 40 episodes of my favorite show and it's like well that's great but that's a whole different ballpark you know they kind of leave me that are leaving to your own devices and if you've been doing it a while they definitely are going to leave you alone because you got the memo you can be a little more creative with how you open up the

[00:57:47] episode atypically than you usually do when you're doing a movie you got to deal with so many politics all the casting oh the actor I you know optioned I fought for they're not available my cinematographer they got a better paying gig what do I do and you got to subtract so much of you got to be so much creative the more a budget and your control is stripped away and same but that is true so on it's like there are so many act writers where

[00:58:16] you're like do they only work well when so and so is in charge of the room or if they're the showrunner or what and it kind of goes back to just the beginning of any project like you're you'll be damned if you see Michael Mann or Spielberg take over a project that's in development hell it's got to be something they've been creatively involved with from the get go so it is same kind of David Fincher yeah Fincher has to have a complete say you give him one no

[00:58:45] he's like brother and there's yes and there's everything else so do you guys kind of wonder we were talking a bit about the after and some of the other projects some of the guys I worked on are you kind of surprised that don't get me wrong all the writers have some love are you kind of surprised that some of them aren't more involved in fall stuff or they just kind of more keen on I'm just going to take some time off yeah good good first two seasons I really am so surprised though because every show good or bad often gets a bad

[00:59:14] rep for having a messy first season because you haven't found your voice that is like they were still so solid they knew right away oh and even the stuff that was happy accidents or still being developed is like they quickly connected the dots like I said okay this is the part of the puzzle piece we will give you an inch of the rest sorry you got to keep watching if you want more and I I don't know and that is also one of its beauties I can't tell

[00:59:44] you how many times the CSI series would end on some sort of cliffhanger that was all about bringing you back at the beginning of next season and X-Files did that some too but it wasn't nearly so blatant or cheap jack it was artistically done it was authentic it was you know you wanted to come back to see because you wanted to not like oh well I guess I gotta see what happens

[01:00:13] like you invested yeah you were coming back you can say that about Anzazi Gizmin all these episodes and the cliffhangers you know they're very well intentioned on purpose yeah and the sitcoms that were doing kind of similar beats they're kind of doing similar stuff where it's like we can take our time on this but every scene has a purpose you're not gonna be losing interest even in a more suspenseful moment and

[01:00:42] they also find ways to start the episodes differently especially by season two it's like okay we're gonna start atypically it's not gonna be like all our crime shows we like or hate where someone dies or gets kidnapped it's like now we're gonna just do just a unusual thing it's like we're gonna show some circus ricks we're gonna show some unusual town we're gonna show a virus unleashing and then yeah we're gonna get into mentioning humbug that's one of my other ones humbug

[01:01:12] is so good imagine going through your whole life looking like that matt with all the monster stuff you've covered on different movies and podcasts what monster from the show do you think gets referenced indirectly a lot i mean there's a lot because they do go through a bunch of them i want to say mostly like the later seasons as well to chupacabras other cryptids and everything like that i don't know

[01:01:41] because it's all out there that's the thing like everything is referenced like even like the even like going to the later seasons yeah like there's so many times where i was like how did greg nicotero or stan winston or rick baker not even work on this those were my heroes growing up it's like those guys they made men in black they made terminator they made the predator yeah i i want to say that x-files is in itself

[01:02:11] is a reference to pretty much every movie that came before it as well to monster movie that came before it or any kind of this was our nature exactly and it does even make me wonder how we were joking in some other episodes how every show that came out was either influenced or had to be sold as the next or got destroyed by the press as oh an x-files so it does make you wonder though

[01:02:41] is like even if the show wasn't trying to be like that if it only got sold because hey this is a rating surprise hit we will like uh like uh what was that eureka or uh eureka warehouse 13 warehouse 13 yeah exactly those kind of but even funnier yeah but but they're like granted those those shows were really good though but i mean yeah i'm definitely pretty sure they were like hey yeah it's just like x-files but it's kind of funny

[01:03:11] i knew i had so many in my family watching eureka and i was like am i talking to the same family member right now you don't like sci-fi i mean sure you've seen stuff like superman and the original star wars but like yeah right am i talking to the same person right here you're watching eureka i thought i was the only one watching it so it is kind of funny how it goes in waves and x-files is like the ripple effect like in that one little pond and everyone slowly starts noticing isn't it wild too how it

[01:03:41] came out the same year as jurassic park and that's changing blockbusters like here's a blockbuster it's exciting and it's scary and it's fascinating and it's not a comedy but it's got some funny moments that are quotable so it's like it's the party movie but really a good masterful work so it's like yeah it's like people were just really jumping on not only a bandwagon but it's like if i believe in my heart i can do something with this let's just give it our best shot and the

[01:04:11] sky's not the limit anymore even funnier how we're dealing with something involving stuff that flies in skies and yeah we're not going to focus on just saucers but kudos to them for making that disclaimer it's like yeah and it's not even going to be just a monster maybe it might just be a maniac who thinks they're you know wanted by something and they're playing games yeah it might be a megalomaniac serial killer who's really really good at projecting his

[01:04:40] thoughts into molder's mind to make him think he's dreaming about this stuff who knows yeah there's all these omen childs there's these damians there's all these other i mean season one i know some people who have only seen the episode which is basically homage to the thing and it's like it kind of yeah but i too i i really had a lot of the thing part too i had some fun with uh one of the other episodes where it'll come to me in a minute it was basically a

[01:05:09] mixture of skynet and howl from 2001 oh man hell yeah is like what a way to start off molder introduces a former partner of his and he's dead within the next frame i'm like what what no wow it is like they they they play us for loops sometimes but hot take i can't stand some deaths in movies today because it just feels like a second thought it's like when there's a death

[01:05:39] then here is like i knew they've been planning this they've been fleshing it out it's just how they're going to show it they're not doing it for a cheap reaction but yeah so the episode i was referring to is kill switch and i was like but that was wild too it was like that is scully's john mcclain in diehard moment where she's going through that event and i am fine and yeah i knew rob bowman worked a lot on it but it is fun also seeing other people uh daniel sackham becomes a go-to thriller guy in movies and tv and kim manners he worked on a lot of this until

[01:06:09] you know if you look at yeah if you look at the x-files you know like aside from the great moment there's great writers you have great directors over you have chris carter obviously he's a better director than a writer i like to argue you have david nutter who went on bad brothers accomplished like i i only knew so calm i knew the name by the time we did game thrones and the terminator show and it's like but i went back i'm like wow by this point he was just doing tv movies of the week he'd worked on those confit trancers films

[01:06:39] and then x-files is what gets them in the door it's like you are our go-to thrilling tv guy and i haven't seen game of thrones but also you know the one i think he directed brains of casimir right the big wedding episode and game of thrones right well that's it yeah much like all those van paddams he gets to do a lot of the emmy nominated episodes so i mean it also helps that this is the rare moment where people behind the scenes are watching each other's show and saying oh i'll do something

[01:07:09] like that but better or well played that was a fun diss on me the rival show and now you don't really get that anymore you get people who are like i've never seen an episode of anything i've been in or i you know i lived it or i've heard about it but i only saw the screener at the critics association it's like yeah guys sit down watch something there is something out there i i use taste dive a lot in order to get into some shows that are similar to other movies and shows but

[01:07:37] it is funny how i was like now everyone's just making less and less time now it's got to be talked about every day or break the internet for people to go i guess i'll check it out because my co-worker keeps bugging me about it i'm really glad that you guys brought up a lot of the highlights of all those arcs because like i can't think of any other show where they kind of get all their best creations out of the loop and then they let them lay dormant for a while or then they're like it becomes the template for how

[01:08:07] they're going to do their villains in and out instead of how can we do the crime scene differently how can we do the mythology differently and especially considering how season one there's not many mythology episodes that is the other kicker and so but at the same times it's not like the show it did and didn't go in different directions it's like but i was like yeah and just in case you were forgetting uh let's bring it all back around you know it's kind of like if you were to do a board game it's like you went on the side quests now

[01:08:37] that i've distracted you now let me bring you back to the main quest which is yeah you know to win monopoly to win cards against me anything and it would be funny though if people made their own custom game and then just inserted some x-files monsters and see how many people got that it's like wait a second they do something like that on supernatural or oh believe me i've had a couple dnd uh custom games that went that

[01:09:06] way as well too yeah of course no yeah i mean like oh the the uh uh the the local magistrate has some problems with people being attacked while they're in the privy can you go check it out i'm a thousand percent not above that when i was earning my master's degree i had to do a case presentation and i talked about these two brothers sam and dean who went through a lot of uh family trauma talk about it yeah

[01:09:35] it doesn't even begin to cover like they had you're gonna die and then come back and you got possession you got all these other people leaving you astray is like yeah we gotta pick our friends better it's so funny because earlier you guys mentioned um you guys mentioned uh what was it you said you talked about fans who will try to reference an episode and they'll say that one where molder gets kidnapped and my brain immediately went to i'll ask a friend what supernatural episode did you stop

[01:10:05] on well dean died you gotta be way more specific he died like five thousand times how many times did molder get kidnapped i'm a little scared for molder now and to be fair i mean they didn't do it the same time every time too that's the other beauty so i mean we had a funny special where we joked about people who are the leroy jenkins or kenny's where they get constantly injured or killed in their respective time when it happens it's not the same

[01:10:34] time it's not an evil clone of myself or robbery or just not learning from my mistakes like no it's buddy it's it's so different each and every time and that's how they keep it fresh and new instead of you got the billionth new partner or you got right but it's funny you were mentioning csi i do feel like criminal minds does try to be like x-files for a while oh yeah in its best time and in its worst time don't get me wrong there are some terrible seasons of that show i like it but it's not

[01:11:04] the best when it's a spice show or we're going off the grid to catch a serial bomber or yeah it's at its worst when it treats everyone in the room like an idiot it's like you literally just said the same thing five different ways but you just needed to have every character talk brilliantly and at the same time like it's so funny that show has had the same crew people since season three but you know sometimes you're just going to have a bad year i suppose is interesting in

[01:11:34] that like when everybody was getting sick carter didn't keep them hostage like okay wong and morgan you want to go ahead and make space above beyond you want to make millennium i'll put you in charge of that and same thing with you know i'll let nutter and bowman oversee some of the episodes they get the gist of it their career is going to launch and they're bringing what they brought in other stuff they've done and trust is so lacking in today's worlds and it can be done don't get me wrong it can totally be done

[01:12:04] but every once in a while you'll see these rare stories of someone walking off a set because they're like we're gonna waste a day of filming because this guy he you know when this is all said and done we're not inviting them back or you know and it also sucks too when you have to tell people who've been here since day one how to do their job it's like well excuse me i'm not being a diva i'm telling you how we make this

[01:12:34] how we've always done it we're trying to avoid all the other cliches if little known fact x files kind of reminds me of the early days of in the heat of the night i don't know if everyone's ever seen that popular show same kind of deal carol o'connor hated every single script he got and he did some ghost writing behind the scenes it's like change that let me go talk to my friends biloxi they'll tell you this is not how crimes like this happen and people are like that's gonna be a little too gritty it's like

[01:13:03] well it's after eight o'clock kids are in bed anyway what's the problem you know and then you see hbo take a chance on shows like six feet under and the wires like we've never done anything like this before and we're we've usually got a nose for this kind of stuff but let's just try it out and now it's some of their most requested reunions is like yeah like you will find something that gets everyone on the same page and I mean even then like I really hope that some of these guys can go and teach at a college

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