Emmanuelle Movies Retrospect (with JJ & Tom!)

[00:00:51] It's a Jacked Up Review Show

[00:01:11] We've been overdue for our sarcastic, trashy B-movie purge.

[00:01:22] We did our research.

[00:01:24] Tonight would make Gilbert Godfreed proud to what we're going to talk about because this

[00:01:30] is like two sets of movies, two film series that basically only have one thing in common

[00:01:41] is separated by one letter.

[00:01:48] That's a good way to put it.

[00:01:50] No, it's the truth.

[00:01:54] If you may do the honors camp.

[00:01:57] Yes, we are talking, we are getting very kinky, very naughty.

[00:02:01] We can't call this a bad franchise because, well, according to Roger Ebert, this is art.

[00:02:08] We're talking about Emmanuelle.

[00:02:10] This is a guy who gave laser blast two and a half stars.

[00:02:13] Oh, that was Leonard Moulton.

[00:02:15] Yeah, that was Leonard Moulton.

[00:02:17] Roger Ebert's the guy who wrote Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.

[00:02:21] He loves himself a kinky movie.

[00:02:23] He will not hold something.

[00:02:24] So this has been produced by Yves Rosette, Ronaud, Elaine Saretsky, Roger Corman, and

[00:02:34] Menham Golem.

[00:02:36] Yeah, Glovis Cannon Films.

[00:02:40] Yep.

[00:02:41] This character has been portrayed by many people, including Jean-Rollin, Iris Lataine,

[00:02:48] Francesc Leroy, Bruna Zicoine, Laura Jimser.

[00:02:53] Well, that's these are the directors I fucked up.

[00:02:56] Yeah.

[00:02:58] Monica Gabriel, Natalie Johar, Laura Jimser, Mia Yen.

[00:03:04] Laura Gismar is like going to be in this predominantly because of her involvement in the series.

[00:03:11] And then you got Sylvia Christel and her involvement in the series.

[00:03:15] Steve is definitely the name I recognize the most.

[00:03:17] Yeah.

[00:03:18] It's anyhow, for the most part they're just hard to ours.

[00:03:20] But every once in a while on certain versions they would sneak in a unsimulated blowjob.

[00:03:25] Well, no, there's one.

[00:03:27] Well, let's get into the history of this because I just think it's like one of the strangest

[00:03:34] parallel.

[00:03:34] Funniest.

[00:03:35] Universes, you know.

[00:03:37] Most low brow or the low brow.

[00:03:40] Low brow but high brow, you know.

[00:03:42] I mean, because like that this is what I love about crazy B movies, not only when the tone is bonkers,

[00:03:50] or it's in so much pop culture just people will just throw it out.

[00:03:55] But as just a wacky just bang but.

[00:03:59] But like you're saying earlier, like there's some big name talent even supporting actors

[00:04:04] attached to this and they're giving it all and you're like so I thought no one cared

[00:04:08] about this but they're making a conceded effort to make a legit movie.

[00:04:12] So yeah, how do I judge this?

[00:04:15] Um, the thing I remember is seeing the first the Sylvia Christelle ones I do.

[00:04:20] I remember very, very clearly.

[00:04:23] Yes, because I'm like 15, 16 years old and you guys remember Cinemax would

[00:04:29] show these movies, you know, extreme sexual content.

[00:04:34] They wouldn't just say.

[00:04:35] Yeah.

[00:04:35] Yeah, they will be like the following movie contains extreme sexual content.

[00:04:40] Look, just say you're going to see tits bush and ass.

[00:04:41] That's all you're going to say.

[00:04:42] Just say it don't sound like just.

[00:04:44] Yeah, it's only, you know, and he turned on it was like this, like, you know,

[00:04:49] you know, there's like woman, woman singing and then, you know, and then you

[00:04:53] hear those like classical stories Sylvia Christelle in Emanuel Emanuel

[00:04:59] is a woman a man you goodbye a manual and it was like.

[00:05:05] All right.

[00:05:06] The first movie is like a big smash.

[00:05:11] I mean, yeah, it made a lot of movie and you have to think it's

[00:05:17] during the time of deep throat behind the green door.

[00:05:21] That's a good point.

[00:05:24] Paris is just around the corner.

[00:05:25] I'm surprised Marilyn Chambers wasn't involved.

[00:05:29] Oh, God.

[00:05:31] Marilyn Chambers did behind the green door than she does rabid.

[00:05:35] Yeah, David Cronen freaking Berg, which, oh my God, which blows my mind.

[00:05:41] But.

[00:05:42] But that's the only thing I got blown.

[00:05:46] Oh, it's like Sylvia Christelle had done a movie before he and called

[00:05:52] Julia, which I saw, which was a soft core.

[00:05:59] Horn, soft core porn flick about two teenagers and falling in love.

[00:06:04] One of the kids, you know, the kid comes home, you know, he's staying

[00:06:07] with his family who were very eccentric.

[00:06:10] You know, he meets his old girlfriend.

[00:06:15] He meets his old friend, you know, they get stoned on a boat.

[00:06:17] The friend dies while you know, and they but Sylvia Christelle is

[00:06:22] like this, like really like, you know, nymph kind of character.

[00:06:26] Right.

[00:06:28] She's really cute.

[00:06:30] She was, you know, she was from Holland.

[00:06:32] She was very, you know, blue eyes, you know, you know, she kind of looked

[00:06:36] you know, she kind of looked she looked like a she was a model, you know,

[00:06:40] she had like that really good, you know, look about her, you know,

[00:06:44] she was elderly gal next door kind of look kind of.

[00:06:48] No, no, no, no.

[00:06:49] I wouldn't say elderly.

[00:06:50] Well, you know, she had kind of like that mysterious quality about her.

[00:06:56] And everyone is serious, but she always made me think of a soccer mom.

[00:07:00] Yeah, when she got older.

[00:07:02] Yeah, but this is like when she's like 20 something years old.

[00:07:07] And she makes this movie in manual, which is like, you know, it's kind

[00:07:16] of like the height of the sexual revolution.

[00:07:19] So, you know, it's like it's a story, you know, and she's trying, you know,

[00:07:27] she's she's she's scaring her husband taking so long and all in and the whole

[00:07:31] all the movies are basically, you know, it's just I find it weird how

[00:07:35] the three movies came out like almost back to back to back, you know,

[00:07:40] back to back to back to forward to back to forward.

[00:07:44] No, back in.

[00:07:48] So I just like fucking.

[00:07:49] Back to the left.

[00:07:51] Back to the left.

[00:07:54] Okay.

[00:07:54] It's like it's like you're watching this and you're like, okay.

[00:07:59] I get it.

[00:08:00] It's her journey through becoming this woman who is sexually timid,

[00:08:06] I think.

[00:08:07] And then becomes more outward as time goes on as the three movies go

[00:08:13] on.

[00:08:14] Yes.

[00:08:15] And when I say outward, I mean outward.

[00:08:19] You know,

[00:08:20] it's all hanging out.

[00:08:22] Yes.

[00:08:23] But it's like all the movies are like, you know, she goes to like Bangkok.

[00:08:26] She goes to here.

[00:08:27] She goes to there.

[00:08:29] I mean, she has one scene where she's like, you know,

[00:08:31] she talks to this girl about getting gang raped by a bunch of

[00:08:34] soccer players, you know,

[00:08:35] yeah, that should not at all be.

[00:08:38] You know,

[00:08:39] there was one scene where she's on a plane and she seduces a guy and

[00:08:43] they go in the back and they, you know,

[00:08:45] they get busy with one another.

[00:08:48] You know, it's kind of like I'm trying to put in perspective.

[00:08:53] It's kind of like every guy who watched it was going, okay,

[00:08:57] I wonder if my wife thinks of this and every woman who watched

[00:09:00] it was going,

[00:09:01] if my wife thinks of that,

[00:09:03] if my husband thinks of this, he's a fucking pervert.

[00:09:05] You know,

[00:09:06] Oh, I bet.

[00:09:08] Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:09] I mean, it was,

[00:09:10] it would play in like mainstream theaters.

[00:09:13] You know,

[00:09:14] different times guys.

[00:09:15] You know,

[00:09:16] you know, you know, who wants, you know, you know, Godfather to,

[00:09:19] you know, there's a manual, you know,

[00:09:21] at some point it was like making it was making more money than,

[00:09:24] you know,

[00:09:26] I forgot when movie was out at the time,

[00:09:28] but it really, you know, it really put that then they did

[00:09:31] a manual too.

[00:09:32] If you watch the BV for manual too,

[00:09:36] I might have helped with it.

[00:09:38] Oh God, it's like her voice is dubbed.

[00:09:42] Hi, I'm a manual.

[00:09:45] You may remember me from my last movie.

[00:09:47] Yeah. Who doesn't remember you?

[00:09:49] You know,

[00:09:49] yeah, we don't go to these movies for the dialogue.

[00:09:52] That is for sure.

[00:09:53] You know,

[00:09:53] the dialogue is definitely a head scratcher in a lot of these

[00:09:56] movies where you're like,

[00:09:57] I'm not sure how to feel right now.

[00:09:59] Hi, I'm Chris.

[00:10:00] I fly a plane.

[00:10:01] That's great.

[00:10:02] You should come back to my dungeon. Yeah.

[00:10:05] That's great.

[00:10:06] Let's, you know, take her up in the plane.

[00:10:08] She, you know, she takes her shirt off and then,

[00:10:09] you know,

[00:10:10] she gives them a blow job while they're flying.

[00:10:12] You know, I mean, that's, you know,

[00:10:15] it's very random places sometimes in public to where you're

[00:10:18] like, what world is this even set in?

[00:10:20] Is this apocalyptic?

[00:10:21] What's going on here?

[00:10:22] What world is this in?

[00:10:24] I don't know.

[00:10:25] As I watch it when I'm older,

[00:10:27] I'm like, Jesus God,

[00:10:28] my mind was like so screwed up,

[00:10:30] you know, your teenager,

[00:10:33] and you see this, you're like,

[00:10:35] you know, you got the hormones,

[00:10:37] you know, like, you know, turn the volume down

[00:10:39] and change the channel.

[00:10:41] Someone comes in.

[00:10:43] Oh yeah, that was the best changing the channel.

[00:10:45] What are you watching?

[00:10:46] Sports dad, I'm watching sports, you know,

[00:10:48] you're not into sports.

[00:10:50] Watching sports, I'm watching rugby, rugby.

[00:10:52] You're not a rugby fan, Jay.

[00:10:54] I don't know.

[00:10:54] I just want to get into it.

[00:10:55] That's all, you know,

[00:10:56] the room puts it back on.

[00:10:58] Oh, shit. I missed that part.

[00:11:00] I miss the best part. God damn it.

[00:11:02] Now it's 20 minutes of exposition.

[00:11:04] I missed the part with a girl master baits in front of

[00:11:07] Emmanuel to Paul Newman's picture.

[00:11:10] And I'm like, you know,

[00:11:13] my introduction to an official portrayer,

[00:11:17] Lord Jim sir,

[00:11:18] the Indonesian Dutch actress was seeing her and other unusual,

[00:11:22] like, you know, not just the ator films,

[00:11:24] you know, the Conan, the barbarian knockouts that.

[00:11:27] Yeah, but also the bloody Bushido blade,

[00:11:30] which is a fun East meets West epic with.

[00:11:34] Richard Boone and Sonny Chiba,

[00:11:36] but you know, she's but as naked in that one,

[00:11:38] but it was also it was always funny how she was like

[00:11:41] one of the few to come out and say, yeah, no, I.

[00:11:44] Any movie that has my character, you know,

[00:11:47] doing unsimulate stuff that's not me.

[00:11:48] You know, yeah, she got, she told Joe DiMotto.

[00:11:52] Who? Yeah, the real Asian guy. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:56] She told Joe DiMotto, like he would want to do hardcore stuff with those movies.

[00:12:03] And those movies are different from the Celia Christo ones because

[00:12:05] those are more Sylvia has a plot and then just basically trying to make a

[00:12:11] cycle filler or romantic drama.

[00:12:13] And it's yeah, his are like, well,

[00:12:16] and yeah, his are totally like half the time,

[00:12:19] especially with some of the other stuff he did with her.

[00:12:21] It was like it was like a part zombie movies mixed in with a hardcore,

[00:12:26] you know, free zone. Yeah.

[00:12:28] There was a manual. Yeah.

[00:12:31] There's black Emmanuel Emmanuel to a manual goes to America,

[00:12:36] which has the infamous horse scene in it.

[00:12:39] Oh God.

[00:12:40] For those of you at home playing a woman has gives hand relief

[00:12:44] to a horse while people watch someone wanted to see that, I guess.

[00:12:49] Also notice the Catherine the Great. Yeah, remember?

[00:12:53] Did I say that?

[00:12:55] Did I mean go for it, man? I mean, she's dead.

[00:12:58] I don't think she can. Yeah.

[00:13:00] Has any. We don't care what the royals think.

[00:13:05] And I mean, there's a reason I have a viewer discretion advised in my

[00:13:08] theme song. I know we're going to get into this.

[00:13:10] Yeah. But it's like, it's like, you know,

[00:13:12] then there's like one where she says, you know, Emmanuel in Bangkok.

[00:13:16] Emmanuel. And but, you know, the thing was, was that they were more,

[00:13:20] you know, Emmanuel goes to prison, you know,

[00:13:21] West in the desert, which is like an excuse for her to like,

[00:13:26] like blow up a Turkish camp or something with some spies.

[00:13:29] Yeah. They are almost.

[00:13:32] And even when you look at stuff like this in perspective and you realize

[00:13:35] how borderline risque is something like a James Bond thing is half

[00:13:39] the time you can kind of see why some.

[00:13:41] And then when you even get to the 90s and you see people advertising

[00:13:46] kids toys for R rated movies, it does kind of just make you realize

[00:13:50] marketing was just out the door. People just were like, Hey,

[00:13:54] as long as it gets done in time, I really don't care.

[00:13:57] Laura Gessner was in like, I remember she was in the Bushido

[00:14:00] blade. She made a move with Michael Landon.

[00:14:03] I bet. Yeah, she did. She made a movie with Michael Landon.

[00:14:07] That was an NBC movie of the week.

[00:14:08] But she had to go under the name Moria Chen because of the fact

[00:14:13] forever. I see it now. OK, love. Yeah.

[00:14:17] And they said they said to her, look, you know, we know who you are,

[00:14:22] but we don't want your name on there because people are going to be like,

[00:14:25] Hey, she's expecting something.

[00:14:27] Yeah. And she did a good job in that.

[00:14:30] She did the bloody Bushido blade, which I thought was a good movie.

[00:14:33] Now it's like second nature. People will do that.

[00:14:35] I mean, there's a reason Fredo and range and when Orsky do that too,

[00:14:39] with their directing credits, they would do stupid monster movies

[00:14:43] for Roger Corbin and Syfy Channel and then do all those tinny flags

[00:14:46] that are basically sex comedies.

[00:14:49] When you get to the nineties and you have Roger Corbin's,

[00:14:53] you know, New Horizons producing it and Crystal Allen's in it.

[00:14:56] It's basically almost all the sets look like low budget.

[00:15:00] Oh, entertainment or Star Trek type stuff.

[00:15:02] But with her around just hypnotizing people because she she's like

[00:15:07] still from species, but she's not killing you to have sex.

[00:15:10] She's just fucking going around.

[00:15:12] She's dying to have sex instead of killing to have sex.

[00:15:15] Right.

[00:15:17] But it's like, but it's like I looked at it this way.

[00:15:21] Those those ones where they did like, you know, a manual in space.

[00:15:25] Oh yeah.

[00:15:25] I just keep thinking the worst thing ever.

[00:15:29] Like, you know, you hear like that.

[00:15:32] Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

[00:15:37] Classic orchestras.

[00:15:39] Oh God, I'm going to come home.

[00:15:42] And the thing about me was when they brought silver crystal back.

[00:15:46] Yes.

[00:15:47] And she's like a different character or something.

[00:15:49] No, she's a manual.

[00:15:51] But she's the same character.

[00:15:52] Okay.

[00:15:52] I couldn't remember if she because she doesn't behave.

[00:15:55] She's been out of it so long.

[00:15:57] She doesn't seem to be in the same headspace.

[00:15:59] Well, there's a story in that that you've got to hear because.

[00:16:02] Sure.

[00:16:03] With her.

[00:16:04] With her career.

[00:16:07] A manual made her a star.

[00:16:09] Yeah.

[00:16:10] But she was hanging with Ian McShane.

[00:16:14] Yeah.

[00:16:15] Thank God.

[00:16:16] She was Ian McShane.

[00:16:18] And back there.

[00:16:20] The factor has just jumped a million percent.

[00:16:22] I'm sure he's got some stories.

[00:16:24] Oh, let me tell you.

[00:16:25] Well, invited her to Dunwood.

[00:16:27] She wouldn't come here.

[00:16:29] According to what I've, what I've read is that.

[00:16:32] She was pregnant with his child and she lost the child and she really got into

[00:16:36] coke.

[00:16:37] Oh yeah.

[00:16:39] It was like, you know, and Ian McShane was not exactly the best guy to be

[00:16:43] around at that time, you know, he was high drugs too, I think, right?

[00:16:46] Oh yeah.

[00:16:47] Yeah.

[00:16:47] And then she winds up going to Hollywood.

[00:16:51] From this and she stars in.

[00:16:53] If I think it correctly, she does the fifth musketeer.

[00:16:58] If anybody's ever seen that, it's a really.

[00:17:00] The fifth musketeer.

[00:17:02] The fifth musketeer. Yeah.

[00:17:04] It was.

[00:17:06] It was kind of loose.

[00:17:07] Yeah.

[00:17:08] The fifth musketeer.

[00:17:10] Bo bridges.

[00:17:11] First little on your.

[00:17:12] Oh my God.

[00:17:13] Bridges, Bo bridges.

[00:17:14] Allison Harrison.

[00:17:16] Holy shit.

[00:17:16] Rex Harrison.

[00:17:18] Cornell Wilds in it.

[00:17:19] You know,

[00:17:21] she does.

[00:17:23] Airport, the Concord.

[00:17:26] Yeah.

[00:17:27] Airport 79.

[00:17:28] Airport 79 on the Concord. Yeah.

[00:17:29] She's the stewardess in that.

[00:17:31] Pretty much all these guys have pretty, they must have all had the same agent

[00:17:34] because Monica Gabriel is a one timer and you know, from, you know,

[00:17:38] bachelor party, desktop or two.

[00:17:40] She's an airplane.

[00:17:42] With a spoon.

[00:17:44] Yeah.

[00:17:46] And then she then, then she does.

[00:17:50] Private. What was it? Private lessons.

[00:17:53] Yeah.

[00:17:54] That's where she started getting into bizarre drama.

[00:17:58] Which is a cute little, a cute little movie about.

[00:18:02] This, this teenage root falls in love with his maid.

[00:18:05] Yeah.

[00:18:06] And for teacher baby.

[00:18:08] Yeah.

[00:18:09] And then she does another one called private school.

[00:18:11] I remember that.

[00:18:13] Then she did.

[00:18:14] What was it?

[00:18:15] You know,

[00:18:16] Mada Hari, which was for Canon.

[00:18:21] You know,

[00:18:22] And by then it's like, you know, it's kind of like, you know,

[00:18:28] The looks are starting to fade a little bit, you know,

[00:18:30] because she's getting older.

[00:18:33] And unfortunately she died of lung cancer from what I understood

[00:18:35] from what I remember.

[00:18:37] That's right.

[00:18:39] But they died.

[00:18:40] I didn't know this because that.

[00:18:42] Yeah.

[00:18:43] And, you know, she was, I think she, she might've had a kid.

[00:18:47] I don't remember.

[00:18:49] You know,

[00:18:49] I remember it's her like showing up in movies, you know,

[00:18:52] And it was kind of like,

[00:18:56] You know, it's kind of like, oh, oh, okay.

[00:19:00] All right.

[00:19:01] I understand that.

[00:19:02] Here's where we are now.

[00:19:04] Yeah. It's like,

[00:19:06] I was like, Oh, you need somebody to fill in the seat. Okay.

[00:19:09] You know, I'm like, okay.

[00:19:12] When she did the Emmanuel series with George Laysenby,

[00:19:16] you can, you're kind of watching it.

[00:19:18] You're like, I saw this woman here glory days and you're like,

[00:19:24] Oh, boy, you know,

[00:19:26] What the fuck happened here?

[00:19:28] You know,

[00:19:28] You don't want to say anything bad, but you're like,

[00:19:31] you're like, you know, just, just, you know,

[00:19:33] I already had it rough and no pun, just having, you know,

[00:19:37] I was like, I don't know what to do.

[00:19:38] Cause these were the sets where there was no closed film sets.

[00:19:42] Now we got ever since all the scandals people have had on

[00:19:47] just other shows and everything it's now like everyone's

[00:19:50] required to have an intimacy coordinator.

[00:19:52] Just people aren't going to go for the ringer anymore and be

[00:19:55] embarrassed.

[00:19:56] Yeah.

[00:19:59] And you know,

[00:20:03] I was just kind of thinking about it.

[00:20:04] I was like, I was thinking about it.

[00:20:07] I was like, you know,

[00:20:08] She kind of like faded into,

[00:20:13] Into like what I like to say the obscurity of what is and what

[00:20:20] isn't, you know, it's kind of like you're sitting there going.

[00:20:24] You're kind of like going, oh, whatever happened to her.

[00:20:26] Oh, there she is.

[00:20:26] She's on a chat show.

[00:20:27] Oh, there she is.

[00:20:28] She's on a TV show.

[00:20:30] Oh, there she, you know,

[00:20:33] Laura Gessner on the other hand.

[00:20:36] She did those run of movies.

[00:20:40] And it's kind of like she was, she said,

[00:20:42] she said,

[00:20:43] she said at one point just became one nonstop movie.

[00:20:47] You know, the money was good, but she said it was just like one,

[00:20:50] one continuous film.

[00:20:52] You know, she would do it.

[00:20:54] She'd get the paycheck and then she, you know, oh, you could.

[00:20:56] Okay, I'll come back or I'll do it.

[00:20:58] You know,

[00:20:58] Oh, cause that just they would have like.

[00:21:01] Second, third and fourth units and half the outtakes

[00:21:03] became the movies just so they can get those double features

[00:21:07] out.

[00:21:08] But I think the thing was with her was that when they did the

[00:21:11] cannibal,

[00:21:12] the cannibal one, that became kind of like, you know, okay,

[00:21:15] they weren't,

[00:21:16] trying to cash in on the cannibal holocaust type trash.

[00:21:20] That is very hard to watch.

[00:21:23] She did a movie called love camp.

[00:21:25] I remember where she played kind of like a Jonestown cultish

[00:21:28] figure.

[00:21:29] And, you know, it's like,

[00:21:32] you're watching it and she's like having sex, but she was

[00:21:34] like, but you could tell it like they're just like, you know,

[00:21:36] Christ, here we go.

[00:21:38] You know,

[00:21:40] Jonestown happened to get called up.

[00:21:42] We got an idea for a movie, you know,

[00:21:45] and she was just tired.

[00:21:47] She was tired of it, you know,

[00:21:49] and she said,

[00:21:49] I'm done.

[00:21:50] And she became a set costume designer.

[00:21:53] She did the costumes for troll too.

[00:21:56] What?

[00:21:57] Yeah.

[00:22:01] Damn.

[00:22:03] You know,

[00:22:04] Oh,

[00:22:06] it's not a good idea.

[00:22:06] I mean, it's not uncommon for some of these erotic people also be

[00:22:09] like casting directors and makeup artists,

[00:22:11] but that's something to now then go.

[00:22:16] Just design.

[00:22:18] Be an art director in a way.

[00:22:20] And something.

[00:22:22] Something like being a costume director on a,

[00:22:24] on a porno would be pretty easy.

[00:22:27] Well, it's not like Steven Soderbergh, you know,

[00:22:31] Oh God.

[00:22:32] Yeah.

[00:22:33] You're not doing God with the wind.

[00:22:34] You're going down with the clothes.

[00:22:36] Yeah, you're not going down with the wind.

[00:22:38] You're going down on the wind, you know,

[00:22:43] as long as you go down and you don't break when then just won't

[00:22:47] be too crude.

[00:22:49] But yeah, there's a, but don't,

[00:22:52] but don't forget there are people who might be into that.

[00:22:54] Yeah.

[00:22:55] We're not kick shaming here.

[00:22:57] Not kick shaming, but I can't say I'm supporting.

[00:23:02] But all we can say is it's like, you know,

[00:23:04] you watch something like this stuff and you're like,

[00:23:06] it's kind of a time capsule with the Sylvia Christel stuff.

[00:23:10] Cause it was like, you know, it's these expensive film sets

[00:23:13] and these, you know, nice, you know, these nice,

[00:23:16] these nice locations and then you watch the ones in Laura

[00:23:20] Gesmer. It's like, okay, we're just going to grind this

[00:23:23] movie out.

[00:23:24] Get it out. You know, we'll have some, we'll have some old time

[00:23:27] movie stars in it.

[00:23:28] You know, guys who did, you know, B shots and stuff like that,

[00:23:30] but you know, you'll know who they are.

[00:23:32] And the thing with Laura Gesmer was she knew how to act.

[00:23:35] Yeah.

[00:23:35] She had done all the training and been doing modeling and it

[00:23:38] just went to the next big thing.

[00:23:42] And that's where it's kind of a shame because you realize

[00:23:45] half the time these people were not paid,

[00:23:47] even what they were worth acting or not.

[00:23:50] It's just like, no, you know,

[00:23:51] if any of us were to do something like that,

[00:23:54] you know, it's like, no, I better be paid for the amount of,

[00:23:57] you know, footage you shooted me in the buff.

[00:24:00] You know, I tried modeling during college and I saw how

[00:24:05] they were looking for buff guys.

[00:24:06] You didn't have muscles.

[00:24:07] They weren't interested.

[00:24:08] And you still see some of that same stuff for women where

[00:24:11] they want you as busty as can be.

[00:24:14] And it's like, well, why not just natural beauty?

[00:24:17] Well, you remember back in the nineties or is that whole,

[00:24:20] you know, look like you're a fucking alien from fucking,

[00:24:26] you know, some other planet.

[00:24:28] Looks like someone who's not real.

[00:24:31] You look like you look like you're having a sandwich, you know?

[00:24:35] And then also like, you know, that's the thing with

[00:24:40] Sylvia Christel.

[00:24:41] She was very thin, very attractive.

[00:24:44] And the thing with Laura Gesmer was she was more

[00:24:47] mysterious.

[00:24:48] She was, you know, she had that, you know, Indonesian look

[00:24:52] about her.

[00:24:53] Yeah.

[00:24:54] And she was very like, you know, very mysterious.

[00:24:57] You know, she was kind of, it kind of reminded me of like,

[00:25:01] uh, shit.

[00:25:03] Some sub-operative.

[00:25:05] No, no, no.

[00:25:06] Some famous actress like,

[00:25:08] fucking 40s, 50s.

[00:25:10] Yeah, probably in the 40s or the 50s.

[00:25:12] Like like Anna Wang or something like that.

[00:25:14] You know, someone who was very, you know, very attractive,

[00:25:18] very good looking.

[00:25:19] Like, uh, who is it?

[00:25:21] Shit.

[00:25:22] Um, she had noir actress or a screen.

[00:25:25] No, no, the girl who's in the world is Susie Wong.

[00:25:28] Yeah, like Francis McGuinn, who was in a Nancy

[00:25:31] Diamondhead, you know, Nancy Kwan.

[00:25:34] Nancy Kwan.

[00:25:34] Yeah, she kind of reminded me of Nancy Kwan a little bit.

[00:25:37] She does look kind of have a similar look.

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[00:27:22] The thing is that there wasn't really much in the way of like

[00:27:25] foreign actresses doing these mainstream brinehouse roles.

[00:27:29] Oh yeah, and then once you get to the 80s

[00:27:31] and then they made that part of the marketing where it's like

[00:27:33] two kind of people are going to be making out on screen years like

[00:27:36] what's going on here.

[00:27:39] You know, and I think the one thing that gets me the most is

[00:27:42] I've watched, you know, the Emanuel series and I've got to say,

[00:27:47] you know, the scripts were good.

[00:27:51] There's essentially B movies just with extra kink.

[00:27:56] Extra kink in them and you know, there were some ones where there was

[00:28:00] hardcore shots that were never meant to be put in but they were put in.

[00:28:06] The sooner the better.

[00:28:09] All you say it's like listening to two, it's like listening.

[00:28:12] One is listening to an old dirty blues record and the other classical symphony.

[00:28:18] Yes, B side.

[00:28:20] Yeah, it's like one, one's like getting like Hamdog,

[00:28:23] Taylor, the other one's getting like, you know, Luciano Pavarotti, you know.

[00:28:26] Oh my God. Damn. That's a hell of a metaphor.

[00:28:32] And I think the one thing that gets me the most is the way the Emanuel series

[00:28:37] was those three movies were shot. It was like, you know, it was kind of like,

[00:28:40] you know, lilting beautiful.

[00:28:42] The other one is like gritty, you know, really, you know, tough, you know,

[00:28:49] the sex is there but it's, you know, it doesn't, it just happens to be part of the story.

[00:28:53] That's all. Yeah. You know, and you know, you want the main part of the story is

[00:28:59] she's a photographer. You know, this is what I loved about that black.

[00:29:04] She's a photographer journalist. She's getting her job done.

[00:29:08] The other one here is the other one here is just, you know, a woman who's a white,

[00:29:12] a board housewife. She goes to get a massage from another woman, you know,

[00:29:16] she's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like, you know, let me do some exploring.

[00:29:21] Exploring. You get bored of that. You get bored of that after all you go to

[00:29:25] the other series and it's like, oh wow, this is good shit, you know.

[00:29:28] I can't think of any movie with a photographer that doesn't end very sexually.

[00:29:35] It seems like that is always a thing.

[00:29:39] Like it becomes an official casting couch.

[00:29:42] Okay, going back to something that JJ said earlier, I think is particularly vital.

[00:29:47] This, the manual movies at least the first ones came out around the time

[00:29:51] of the sexual revolution of the 70s.

[00:29:54] Yes.

[00:29:55] We had, so we put it, I like to put it into that context because before then you had,

[00:30:01] you had your stag film, you had the roughies, you had some other types where

[00:30:07] the women were more object than person.

[00:30:12] They would move into the 70s and women start to become more self-actualized

[00:30:16] and then from there, you get to see them as more than just an object to be less

[00:30:22] seductive or an object to be, to have sex with.

[00:30:26] They became sexual creatures in and of themselves.

[00:30:29] No, that's a good point because the 60s, there's so many drug taking both on

[00:30:34] and off screen and they once they get past that in the motorcycle stuff

[00:30:38] and into zombies and apocalyptic stuff and even martial arts mixed in with

[00:30:45] extras is like, yeah, it's just kind of part of their character just like James

[00:30:49] Bond.

[00:30:50] Your brain explodes.

[00:30:51] That's what happens.

[00:30:52] It really does.

[00:30:53] And you can see why Chantino ended up the way he did this.

[00:30:57] They were doing milkshakes and stirring in all these genres and some genres together.

[00:31:03] It's like, you know, it's like this thing where I'm like, like, you have two,

[00:31:07] you have two things to look at here.

[00:31:10] Beautiful woman being made by a glass five leads.

[00:31:15] You have a beautiful one being made love to and you know, the story is very

[00:31:19] wilting and very nice.

[00:31:21] You know, she's discovering herself as a woman and it's growing up.

[00:31:24] And then he got this one here with this woman, so photographer and she's doing

[00:31:27] anything and everything to get that story.

[00:31:30] Yes.

[00:31:30] Or she's trying to save somebody.

[00:31:32] To understand you Emmanuel be just like you.

[00:31:36] You know, and that's, that's the thing.

[00:31:38] It's, it's, it's two different sort of, you know, silver crystal character

[00:31:42] looking nice, you know, as a husband and he's, you know, he's a

[00:31:46] he's unsatisfied.

[00:31:48] Yeah.

[00:31:49] Sylvia Christel did lady, did Lady Charity's lover.

[00:31:52] I saw that.

[00:31:53] I saw her and Monophen Gabriel did part two is like, yeah.

[00:31:58] But the one with Sylvia Christel, I remember the most because I think

[00:32:01] that's the one with.

[00:32:03] Uh, shit.

[00:32:06] It's not the one with Adam West.

[00:32:07] That was, uh, that was Belzer's wife.

[00:32:09] Um, yeah.

[00:32:11] Yeah.

[00:32:11] That's right.

[00:32:12] Yeah.

[00:32:12] That was young lady Chatterley.

[00:32:16] I think so.

[00:32:17] Yeah.

[00:32:21] Yeah.

[00:32:22] I would start.

[00:32:23] I mean, ladies, I don't think.

[00:32:26] Oh man.

[00:32:27] I remember them playing that on the channel.

[00:32:29] My show with Harley McBride and they show her getting it on with the

[00:32:33] maid in the bathtub.

[00:32:35] And they're going, uh, like that, you know, like, like, you know,

[00:32:40] you're like, your wife made a porn, right?

[00:32:43] And Belzer was like, what are you cop?

[00:32:45] You know, um, I mean, who, who, who, who Robin show them,

[00:32:49] show the clip Jackie, show the clip.

[00:32:52] Um, and the thing that got me the most is like, I'm watching,

[00:32:56] I was what, so it's like, it's like two different things.

[00:32:58] And I was trying to figure out later why they were showing these

[00:33:02] on Cinemax and on Showtime.

[00:33:05] Why they were showing them.

[00:33:06] And I said, the thing is, is that at a certain point,

[00:33:10] I think a studio runs out of ideas when they're a mainstream studio.

[00:33:16] When they're a low budget studio, they come up with more ideas.

[00:33:19] They sent it out and they just, they're not going to show,

[00:33:22] they're going to show you screwing,

[00:33:25] but they're going to show you what happens when it's done.

[00:33:27] Like, you know, the consequences of it and shit like that.

[00:33:30] They were, they were pretty good and they were pretty,

[00:33:33] the black knows the black in the annual series was pretty good.

[00:33:37] And it was pretty well thought out.

[00:33:38] And it was pretty much, you know, you know,

[00:33:42] meant to be a grindhouse.

[00:33:44] These other three were meant to be mainstream enjoyment for the,

[00:33:48] the husband and wife, you know, maybe they'll get turned on by it.

[00:33:52] You know, go home and fool around.

[00:33:54] You know, who knows these were just, these were just let's watch it.

[00:33:59] See some ass, see some tits, see some bush.

[00:34:02] And then, oh, and then watch, watch the,

[00:34:03] watch the violence that happens that comes along.

[00:34:05] Yeah.

[00:34:05] There's always like some pirates or evil businessmen or sometimes

[00:34:10] even a psycho thriller undercurrent, which makes you kind of even realize

[00:34:14] that's kind of just the basis for all of the nineties erotic filler.

[00:34:17] It's like some sleazy private eye with.

[00:34:21] I mean, you know, you gotta think back in those days.

[00:34:25] Back in those days, you know, a lot of people,

[00:34:26] a lot of these old movie stars were, you know,

[00:34:29] we're going down into the B movies.

[00:34:32] So I've always said the one thing I was like, you know,

[00:34:34] if somebody appeared in black and manual, I was kind of like,

[00:34:40] Hey, what's he doing here?

[00:34:41] But he doesn't have a sex role.

[00:34:42] Okay, good. He's just showing. Yeah.

[00:34:43] He's just going to be there.

[00:34:45] You're like the special guest, you know,

[00:34:46] the special guest star and you're like,

[00:34:48] Oh, there's just some of the movie two days ago, you know,

[00:34:52] it's like Walter, it's like Walter Pige.

[00:34:55] He was like, Oh, my God.

[00:34:56] You know, like he's just showing up in a porno movie and you're like,

[00:34:58] Oh, he's just there for the.

[00:35:01] That's a good intersection.

[00:35:03] When you were showing me how.

[00:35:05] I manual was like in part 17 of the British carry on series.

[00:35:09] I'm like, that is crazy.

[00:35:11] Well,

[00:35:12] that's the one that.

[00:35:13] That I think killed the series.

[00:35:16] I believe it because because like you say it's mixing two totally

[00:35:20] different things together.

[00:35:21] It would be like if you were to mix, I don't know if you did that

[00:35:24] nowadays, let's say you mix in a Star Wars movie with a torture

[00:35:28] porn saw movie.

[00:35:30] You would have.

[00:35:30] Yeah.

[00:35:31] The great house of the musical.

[00:35:33] Right.

[00:35:33] House the musical there you go from the guys that brought you

[00:35:36] crap like cats.

[00:35:38] The thing with the carry on a manual was that they saw how

[00:35:42] successful it was.

[00:35:43] And by that time, a lot of the,

[00:35:44] a lot of the carry on people were getting along in the tooth.

[00:35:48] So what they did was they had Kenneth Williams.

[00:35:51] Play her husband who injures himself skydiving.

[00:35:54] Yes.

[00:35:55] And then all she does is just.

[00:35:57] Bunk anything that moves.

[00:35:58] And a lot of the.

[00:35:59] So I'm.

[00:36:00] Yeah.

[00:36:02] Like, you know, the chauffeur, the gardener, you know.

[00:36:04] And a lot of the people that were in that carry on a manual

[00:36:08] movie were just like, we're not doing this again.

[00:36:11] This is fucking ridiculous.

[00:36:12] You know, you know, this is okay.

[00:36:14] It's like postcard, you know, Brittany.

[00:36:17] They used to say with that it was British seaside postcard humor.

[00:36:20] You know, like, you know, the girl off.

[00:36:22] Yeah.

[00:36:23] Very cheeky, you know, very cheeky, very like, you know,

[00:36:26] like, you know, looking at the camera going, you know, wink.

[00:36:28] And you had, like.

[00:36:30] You had Barbara Windsor in there who was like,

[00:36:32] great piece of this, you know,

[00:36:34] with her perky little body and, you know,

[00:36:39] and then, you know, there was, you know, there was,

[00:36:41] you know, there was Sid James and Charles Hau tree and

[00:36:44] Kenneth Williams, you know.

[00:36:45] You know, Jim Dale was in that series, you know,

[00:36:50] and, you know, they just said, they just said,

[00:36:52] no, this is enough.

[00:36:53] We're pure stopping it here.

[00:36:55] Stop it, won't we?

[00:36:56] Yeah, you know, I think that was the least successful of the

[00:37:00] movies of that carry on series too.

[00:37:04] Which is so funny because you would have thought it would be

[00:37:06] more successful.

[00:37:08] You know, oh yeah, let's make a smooth one manual.

[00:37:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:37:12] That's great.

[00:37:12] Yeah.

[00:37:14] Yeah.

[00:37:17] These are for kids, right?

[00:37:18] Right.

[00:37:19] This is for families.

[00:37:20] This was supposed to be, this was like, you know,

[00:37:22] this is a movie, you know, a series of 10 years before made

[00:37:25] Clare carry on Clio, which is one of the best comedies I've

[00:37:28] ever seen.

[00:37:30] Right.

[00:37:30] You know, and they just, they just made this movie and

[00:37:33] they were just like, nope.

[00:37:36] Nope.

[00:37:36] Never again.

[00:37:37] Nope.

[00:37:38] And they had to wait like 17 years to do another one,

[00:37:40] carry on Columbus, which was a piece of shit.

[00:37:45] You know,

[00:37:46] I mean, 10 years.

[00:37:49] Everyone had died from the molders only like two or three

[00:37:52] people left from the original.

[00:37:54] And then, you know, it was just kind of like, you know,

[00:37:57] like, oh yeah, we're.

[00:38:01] Or just, you know, it was like serving warmed over

[00:38:03] spaghetti to someone.

[00:38:08] Even, even.

[00:38:10] Even.

[00:38:10] None mentioned the Emmanuel series sounds a lot like Dr.

[00:38:14] Who.

[00:38:15] If you.

[00:38:17] Kind of in that.

[00:38:19] The logic has always been loose, but not everyone's in on

[00:38:22] all the camp.

[00:38:23] Kind of.

[00:38:24] Yeah.

[00:38:24] And there was a prayer where things started going down

[00:38:27] hill and there was something.

[00:38:28] There was a movie that killed the franchise and it came

[00:38:32] back.

[00:38:32] And it was like, you know,

[00:38:33] I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that.

[00:38:33] I'm not sure.

[00:38:33] Okay.

[00:38:33] That makes better sense. Yeah. No.

[00:38:35] And then, well, just like.

[00:38:40] You guys were also harping on how people are not sure how to

[00:38:42] take this.

[00:38:43] And yeah, Dr.

[00:38:43] Who kind of has that too?

[00:38:44] Or is like, guys, it, what did you expect?

[00:38:49] Well, having seen the newer ones.

[00:38:51] And more Emmanuel that that was came out.

[00:38:54] And it was like, you know,

[00:38:55] just this last year, 2023,

[00:38:57] it's by cinema epic and it's by Gregory Hananaka who

[00:39:01] you might know from stuff like samurai cop too.

[00:39:07] I'm not kidding.

[00:39:09] It was very dull, but it was very attentive.

[00:39:13] It didn't really deliver on what it promised.

[00:39:16] Then there was Emmanuel's revenge, which is by Keenol Ober.

[00:39:20] And not to be confused with the 83 movie of the same name.

[00:39:23] This one has only one M and kind of like Jim Ser's movies.

[00:39:27] It's kind of an unofficial take on the whole thing.

[00:39:29] And this one, I felt like I was watching a taken movie just

[00:39:32] because there's all these other European, you know,

[00:39:35] half Arab, half French guys going around stalking people.

[00:39:41] Next thing you know, you're seeing all these guys who

[00:39:44] are getting off and watching all these other two sums,

[00:39:47] free sums happening and you're like, fuck is going on.

[00:39:50] I can I don't know who you are.

[00:39:52] It was kind of fun.

[00:39:53] I don't know who you are.

[00:39:55] Yes, I don't know who you are, but I know who you're fucking.

[00:39:57] I have a bunch of skills.

[00:39:59] I will find you and I will fuck you.

[00:40:05] I have a bunch of skills and I'm going to tell you something right now.

[00:40:09] If I'm gonna make a shitty porn or movie because of this,

[00:40:12] I'll fucking kill you.

[00:40:16] I will kill you with my lightsaber up your-

[00:40:18] All I can all I can say is like, if you watch,

[00:40:22] they had a box set of the suit.

[00:40:25] Oh, yes, they cleared all the rights.

[00:40:27] Oh God, they got all the rights.

[00:40:30] How much do you think the author, the tie,

[00:40:34] the tie author made off of these different?

[00:40:38] Oh, but it's like, it's like, you know,

[00:40:41] they got the rights, they got, they cleared it up.

[00:40:43] They did a four.

[00:40:44] I think they did a restoration just recently.

[00:40:45] Yeah.

[00:40:47] And it was like, it was like, holy fuck,

[00:40:50] like the picture looked clear.

[00:40:52] I think studio, studio canal did it.

[00:40:54] I'm looking it up now.

[00:40:56] Okay.

[00:40:56] So the collection with the first two and goodbye with Christelle

[00:41:02] is Rita's set going for 4031.

[00:41:06] Wow.

[00:41:08] This is by anchor Bay.

[00:41:12] Yeah.

[00:41:12] Yeah.

[00:41:14] It's great to know anchor Bay knows good entertainment.

[00:41:16] You know,

[00:41:16] and it's like, it's like you're sitting there.

[00:41:21] You're thinking, Hey, anchor Bay, they, you know,

[00:41:23] they did not scoffer off to you.

[00:41:24] They do all these other movies.

[00:41:26] You know, let's see how they did with the,

[00:41:27] oh, well that's good to know that was there.

[00:41:29] You know,

[00:42:03] um,