I Hate Mosh PIts

[00:00:00] podcast. I'm Sean, I'm Nancy and this is the only podcast that says I am not going to ask you again. Put some pants on. You're freaking everyone out. Sorry, is that the end of the quote? Yeah, that's the end of the quote. Oh my God. What

[00:00:48] the hell is that? What's from F? Oh, oh, when he's talking to the man. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, yeah. That's so funny. Oh, yeah. I just watched that. So yeah, you think I was yeah, and you

[00:01:06] usually go for older quote quotes than have something to do with the day? No, or the week. Well, I could not find it. It's thinking easy to find something about we lost two giants today,

[00:01:20] two absolute giants and entertainment. Oh my Richard Simmons passed away today at the age of 71. He was still alive? Yes. Oh, I thought he had gone into a life of seclusion, but he just passed away.

[00:01:39] And the one that I was like, and I was like, she was still alive. Dr. Ruth Westheimer died at the age of 97. The sex? Yeah. 97. Yeah. I bitch knew her stuff. She lived to 97. Yeah. She was short.

[00:01:57] Wasn't she? She was. Yeah. I remember her. She had that voice. Yeah. Wouldn't you take your penis? If it is flaccid, which he would say insert in the vagina, insert into the vagina. Oh, my God. Yeah. So you're having moisture problems? Shut up. Shut up.

[00:02:30] Like I know you didn't even know what you did. No, I did know what I was doing. I will freely admit I I knew exactly what I was doing. Yeah. Yeah. All right, continue. But also like, I mean,

[00:02:42] Richard Simmons, you know, I wouldn't an icon. You know, he was probably the first exercise person I could name definitely in the malls. The first one there is that famous picture of him in a century

[00:02:56] three mall standing on the railing in front of Wixen Sticks. Yeah. And that place was all you can see is like heads. Yeah. But like, you know, like, because he like, where the mall had that like little stage area? Yeah.

[00:03:15] Like it was like that little like divin it down and you could put a stage and it was like, yeah, steps you could sit on. You know, that whole bottom area had to have been packed. Oh,

[00:03:25] yeah. And it was probably like what he probably started down there. Yeah, went up the escalator. Yep. Because that would have been right above where that where that stage area was. Yeah.

[00:03:34] And he was probably doing his his whole his jazz or whatever. What the hell was he famous? Swinton to the old. Swinton to the big one. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I haven't thought of it. I just I

[00:03:48] thought he died. No, he used to like, I know he's up here on Howard Stern regularly and then like he was really amazing. But like, apparently he had a very good relationship with star.

[00:04:04] Oh, but like, I mean, he would come on and like, you know, Stern would constantly ready kill him. Like there was even like a famous picture of it was like one of Howard's birthday celebrations

[00:04:15] and Richard Simmons came in a tuxedo. Like, like you wouldn't have even known it was Richard Simmons like because you're just so used to seeing him. I can't picture him in anything but yeah. Yeah. Wow. Like all cleaned up hair was like pulled back and like.

[00:04:31] Or Stern did it for him, huh? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. You ever heard? Yeah. But it was like one of those odd couple type of things that like,

[00:04:40] you know, you wouldn't think that like. Oh hell no. That is like not a Matt the friendship. Yeah. Like people that are friends that you're like no. Yeah. But apparently heaven hit Stern. Some of us were very, very close. But yeah, I'm sure they were.

[00:04:55] But yeah, he went in this occlusion like a long time ago and yeah, if I would have had to pick like celebrities I thought that passed away in the last five years, I'd be like Richard Simmons.

[00:05:04] If I would remember his name, yeah, he passed a while ago. Yeah. Well, isn't that the same as the guy that used to do the countdown? Didn't he go into seclusion and die or something? They I know his house caught on fire.

[00:05:22] Who are you talking about? His family couldn't find him for a while. The guy that did the countdown on the radio. Casey Casey? Yeah. Oh, is that who I'm thinking of? Or am I confusing that with somebody else?

[00:05:34] No, I think you're right. I think there was like something where like he like went missing. And then it's like, who's house burned on in Hollywood? It was like on top of Hill. That I don't know. I mean, it could be anybody. Lord, you're right. Yeah.

[00:05:49] I wasn't thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Casey Casey, my thought went missing. Yeah. I think there was something where like it like in his last days, like, excuse me, his daughter like took him or some some wacky shit that happened.

[00:06:01] Yeah, it was like a weird messed up thing and then lost his mind. So he had no idea what the hell was going on. Yeah. I can't remember if those were Dick Clark. Maybe it was Dick's Clark house that burned up. Maybe.

[00:06:14] I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to Google that. There are two guys right there, Casey Casey, some of Dick Clark who like made in a lifetime out of like almost nothing. Right.

[00:06:35] Like I'm not going to say Dick Clark wasn't touted. I mean, he had a production company and did a whole lot of other things. But like, if you think about like, I'm not quite sure how Dick Clark did American Bandstand as long as he did.

[00:06:48] Right. Yeah. Yeah. You see, he used to see that a lot on the bottom of stuff at Dick Clark production. Yeah. Like he produced a lot of stuff as a producer, like his production company did a

[00:06:58] lot of stuff. Yeah. And but like, like American Bandstand was one of those things that was like I mean, it lasted forever. And he went well into an era of like, like I remember like the first time I really saw Madonna was on American Bandstand.

[00:07:21] Really? Yeah. Like when she first hit, she was on American Bandstand. I remember Dick Clark asked me, well, what do you want to do? And she's like, I want to rule the world. And in many ways she did for a very long time. Yeah.

[00:07:38] You know, like you want to see like, you know, like, like Dick Clark, you know, suit and tie. There's all the kids that were like, they're like every fucking week. Oh yeah. You know. Yeah.

[00:07:51] And then you're like, okay, now we've got a new up and comer. Here's rat and their lip syncing on American Bandstand. You're just like, this is awful. What the fuck? You know, oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's something that

[00:08:10] just for kicks, pull up and watch a couple of clips that have been said. Yeah. Just to have that nostalgia feeling for me because I remember shit like that. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't an avid watcher

[00:08:23] though. No, he was on see it if it was on T like my sister's mom or somebody be watching me like, okay, and then I walk away. You know what? Very oddly, my thing very oddly, I watched a whole

[00:08:34] lot more of them. I did American Bandstand. Solid gold dance. Solid gold. So we did watch a lot of solid gold. Yeah. But like, right. But like that was kind of just because like it was

[00:08:45] Saturday nights in my grandparents house. That's what we all watched. Oh, no, that's not the reason we watch. Right. Go ahead. But it was me and my sister and we agreed on this. We watched

[00:08:57] Soul Train. Oh, yeah. I remember Soul Train and watch it. But I remember it. Yeah. Like we would watch like because it would come on like after curtain. Yeah. On Saturdays. And we would watch

[00:09:07] Soul Train because that was like different from what we normally listen to. So that's how we learned about like the R&B stuff and all that that kind of stuff that was like, my parents certainly weren't listening to it. Right. Yeah. And you weren't going to get on

[00:09:23] American Bandstand really either. No, no, no. But that was like, you know, BB King was not going to be. No, no. But like Soul Train was like a thing like we watched like Soul Train.

[00:09:34] Wasn't it an opening? Soul Train. Yeah. Like you had that fancy S and T. Yeah. And you had like the train. Yeah. It was like this train. It was like, yeah, chugging and chugging,

[00:09:47] chugging. But yeah, I mean, Don Cornelius was the host and like at the end of the show, he was like, and remember it's all about peace, love and soul. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah.

[00:10:00] Yeah. Wow. Yeah. He is Lord. That's going back. That is going back. Yeah, because you know, even if you didn't watch it back then you were aware of it because there wasn't as much as there

[00:10:16] is today. So anything you were aware of that because you right was saying yeah. Right. And but it was also like that. At that point, MTV had made had come along. Yeah. And

[00:10:35] like MTV was accused and they kind of like, yeah, you're right. Like if not displaying like prominent black artists at all, Michael Jackson was like, yeah, revolutionary in the MTV era. Right. But like other black artists weren't getting traction at all because MTV wasn't playing their music.

[00:10:56] Yeah, it was a bunch of them. Yeah. And so if you wanted to hear that stuff, like you had to watch that stuff. It was like, you know, yeah. Mary's some good stuff out there though. Well, I mean, MTV should be ashamed of them.

[00:11:10] Well, I mean, that I mean, like again, like you talked about like, you know, what was the breakthrough stuff? Well, it was run DMC with yeah, Eric Smith, right? You know, stuff like that. I remember when that came out. Yeah. Everybody was

[00:11:24] like, I was like, what is Eric Smith and some dude singing? Yeah, because I didn't never run DMC right until that. Right. I heard of them but I didn't know. Yeah.

[00:11:34] But like, yeah, I mean, I had seen run DMC on Soul Train. I had seen like, you know, my introduction to rap music was through Soul Train. Right. Like it was like, you know,

[00:11:43] rappers delight and stuff like that where I was like, Oh no. Yeah. I was Beastie Boys. That's where I learned about that Beastie Boys. And you know, what's her face? Blondie? Was that her name? Yeah. Well, yeah. Cause she had the original rapper or song. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:12:03] Cause I didn't watch Soul Train. Didn't I? Yeah. But yeah, I got that. That was like my introduction to it. Like so I was like hearing like rappers delight in that one day. It was like,

[00:12:10] you know, wiki wiki wiki wiki. Oh, I can't. That was fun. Oh, I wish I could remember the name of that song. Wiki wiki wiki. Hey Cosmo. Jim Onnet. How was it? Oh, Jim Onnet. Jim Onnet.

[00:12:25] Jim Onnet. Jim Onnet. Jim Onnet. Yeah. Oh, that shit was awful. Wiki wiki wiki wiki. I'm kidding. Today it wouldn't fly. No, it would because I mean, maybe it would because rappers are pretty soft nowadays. I did not say that. I am not confirming or denying that statement.

[00:12:52] I went from an era of NWA and what should we call it from Florida? What should we call it from Florida? Oh, I can't believe I can't think of that. No, that wasn't NWA. NWA was

[00:13:16] Cube and... Are they from Detroit or Chicago or something like that? No, NWA was California. And then from Florida was... I feel like I should know this. Oh, Luke Skywalker. Looks like you're going to be Googling stuff later too. Yeah, I will. I will.

[00:13:37] But they were the ones that were on the Donahue show. Oh? Yeah, and they were talking... I mean, the song was about Pop and Pussy. Gotcha. Now I get it. Oh, yeah. That was the one where

[00:13:55] the women were like... It was all women in the crowd and they had the strippers dancing and everything. I know the Donahue show. Yeah, but the women in the crowd were in disgust. I was like this one guy you could tell he was like,

[00:14:07] I can't acknowledge how cool this fuck is. He's looking something... I am. I'm looking... Two live crew that was it. Oh, two live crew. Yeah, two live crew. Oh my, I haven't heard that name in a long time.

[00:14:33] Yeah, I mean they were just vile. How vile? They were. I mean there's no other way to describe it. I mean that shit went hard. Yeah. You know, and then you had Public Enemy.

[00:14:46] You know, told us 911 is a joke and shit, you know, like... Yeah. Now it's... ain't that. You're like, ain't that. Ain't that. Ain't that. That's the name of your show. Ain't that.

[00:15:01] Ain't that. I mean, I saw Snoop Live. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, that was such a good show. Snoop brought his shit, man. He did. I didn't even listen to Snoop before then.

[00:15:13] Like that was like the show and like I had news... I knew some Snoop stuff. Yeah. But like... Yeah, it's like shit we could sing along to. Yeah. Yeah, like I knew Gin and Juice and stuff

[00:15:23] like that. But we didn't know Snoop. Yeah, we didn't know Snoop. Not until that answer. But more importantly, like that was the first time I was just like, oh, shit, this can really work live. Yeah. Because like to me, like rap is like

[00:15:40] it's a guy and somebody behind him like with a turntable. Right. You know what I mean? Like... But you look at how like that band was having that band went hard for Snoop when we saw. Right.

[00:15:53] Yeah. You know, it was just like, oh, shit, that is legit. You know, I mean, that's what impressed me more was like, okay, I know Snoop and this is his deal. No, there's Dawn Magic Wand right there.

[00:16:05] Green for the money, gold for the honeys. You know, he's got his pimp cup in his hand. He's doing his dance. He's doing his thing. Yeah. You know, okay. But that band was like... They were impressive. They were. Iron Green. I was just like, oh, shit. Okay.

[00:16:22] Here we go. Yeah. And then we went straight to corn. Yeah, no, we went straight to corn. Yeah. That was a good show. That was because, well, I mean, in case people don't remember that, Lincoln Park finished it up. Yeah, that was that was

[00:16:41] that was the first project revolution. Yeah, project revolution. And it was Snoop, corn and Lincoln Park. And that was insane. Insanity. It was good though. It was a good insanity. From what I heard it was, yes. Yeah, you didn't get to see too much corn. No. I got

[00:17:02] to see a few, yeah, a few numbers. Yeah, I don't know all the few. I didn't see much because I was busy protecting you from all the kids he was in on that one too. Remember all the

[00:17:14] mosh pits that were breaking out around this. Oh my God, that was insane. That's like, what the do you not pay money to come watch these people perform? What the hell are you doing? Trying to get into the hospital. That's what you're trying to do. They're all fighting

[00:17:28] for the number one position in that ambulance. Well, that was the one I saved that girl's life. Yes. Yes. Because we were down like, so the show took place at Starley Gannup Atheir, which is like, there's a few thousand seats. There are actually seats and then there's

[00:17:46] a hillside that you just jam as many people as you can on tip. And I saw I was reading an article about like Steve Miller like had a 10 year run of like selling at Starley with like,

[00:18:01] and he had like the for a long time, he had like the highest attendance. It was like 27,000 people and wow. Yeah. Imagine that Steve Miller from the Steve Miller brand. Yeah.

[00:18:13] I'm trying to imagine that. I'm just trying to imagine that. Like I was at a sellout Van Halen show that was probably 20,000 people or more. And that place was jam packed. Like I can't not and more probably can't imagine trying to get 27,000 people out of Starley. Right. Yeah.

[00:18:30] No, you know, that's in the instant real insanity. Yeah, there's not that many people out there directing. Right. So you might as well just like a free for all you might as well just pitch

[00:18:38] a tent. Yeah, but I'm just playing on sitting there for an hour. But anyway, so at the bottom of the hill, there's like these metal posts and there's a chain running through them to kind of

[00:18:51] separate and kind of act as a barrier for some reason. And then there's the cement walkway. And then there's a cement walkway. And that this girl was in this mosh pit and she had all

[00:19:03] of her momentum going right towards that fucking that chain was going to slice her in half. There's a doubt in my mind. And like, I think I closed Linder. Yeah, I think you did. I think she was

[00:19:15] like, I stepped in and I closed Linder to keep her from hitting that that the chain and the and just completely fucking up her life forever. And she looked at me and said thanks.

[00:19:28] And she wanted to run into me. Yeah, that was her thanks. That was her thanks with she trying to knock you out. Yeah, tried to and you know, it ain't happening at that time. I was six

[00:19:38] foot four 300 pounds. Yeah, I was not being moved. First wall was she appreciating. She like thanks and ran into me as a thank you. And I was like, okay, yeah, guys, his way of

[00:19:52] thanking first and last time I'll be in a mosh pit. Yeah. But if you know, I've been in another mosh pit one other time, it was actually very scary. But before this one. Yeah.

[00:20:03] Okay, so this would just be your last one. Yeah. There was a show me and Jason Nolwin. War show at I think at that time it was still Metropole Empire where we saw

[00:20:21] 32th of March, the first time that was club zoo club zoo, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. At the time it was club zoo. Okay. Yeah, it's changed names 100 times. I know, but I'm just saying the 30

[00:20:32] seconds and words. So we go to see war and there's two opening acts. And we kind of judge okay, well this is where the mosh pit's going to be. You know, for the face upon the opening

[00:20:48] acts. Right. And you misjudged. Greatly. Yeah, yeah. Because half that place is a mosh pit. The entire floor became a mosh pit. Yeah. Like when the war hit, we got driven backwards. Now Jason at the time he was like six foot three, six foot four,

[00:21:10] two 40 all muscle. Like Jason works out. I was probably between 270 and 280 at the time. And I was pretty rock solid. What's the ages here? We talking high school or after high school?

[00:21:31] Oh, after high school. This was like I was probably in my mid to late 20s when we saw warrants. I was just wondering what was that anybody that was not in high school to go see

[00:21:45] war and be on the floor. So I was just curious what age you were. Oh, why? I mean, I was wearing a white t-shirt. I was looking to get sprayed with whatever. I was gonna say that would be the

[00:21:55] only reason. Yeah. I mean, you go to that's why you go to a war. You go to a war. You participating in shit like that. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to get into the pit,

[00:22:04] but I was going to stand far enough away that I could still get some goo on me. Some goo. You know, that's the glory of going to they brought plenty of goo. Yeah. Well, when when Gore hit, Deke said the entire floor became a

[00:22:17] mosh pit and me and Jason were fighting for our lives to get like we got driven straight backwards. Wow. Like there was a speaker stack hidden behind like metal plate. Like you like the kind of metal plate you would see on like the

[00:22:39] tailboard of a fire truck like that that type of metal plate. Okay. Got driven right back into it. Like there was like, it was like a massive humanity drove us backwards. I was just like

[00:22:53] scared. It was very scary. Yeah. Well, if you remember that project evolution was when I decided seats seats only. Yeah. I am never will never I don't even care if it's called your club again.

[00:23:12] I am never sitting on a seats or nothing. Yeah, that that was a crazy, crazy night. Yeah. Gary, but not as scary as that. No, no. Yeah. Even I mean that there was that one time.

[00:23:27] Well, you see shit like that like people getting trampled to death. Right. But that was that one point you're standing in front of me. And like I'm forming an iron cross. Yeah. Like yeah, all

[00:23:42] these people kid just like looked at me and goes, Do you know how many people you're supporting? Like, yeah, we should get the fuck off. Yeah. One kid was like, dude, one kid that ran into you

[00:23:55] and fell to the ground. No, I he I was holding these people because there was a man previously. No, no, it's okay. Because it because that's what we had moved. We had moved from being up close

[00:24:09] I know to the back. I'm well aware because we thought, well, that'll get us away from the mosh pits. Nope. And it did not help. They kept following us. Yes, mosh pits just followed us around.

[00:24:19] We kept walking around and they kept following us. At that point I just kind of I was like holding those people back as you were like cheering on Lincoln Park. Hey, it was Chester. I'm just like

[00:24:33] Yeah. Actually, I don't think it was as bad with Lincoln Park because we finally got a spot. I think the worst was Dorn Corn. It was the worst was Dorn Corn but there was that one moment

[00:24:43] where like, because you didn't get real till after Snoop got off the stage. Right. But there was that one moment where like, we had a spot and we were fine. But there was a mosh pit up at the top of

[00:24:53] the hill that worked its way down to us. And I was just it's amazing how quickly those things form and move. Yeah. It's probably quicker than a fucking tornado. It was like watching a hurricane.

[00:25:06] But it was quick. Yeah, fucking quick, man. And it was either move or be in it. Right. And I didn't want to be in it. That was the same was that the same one where the chick flew down

[00:25:15] and scraped her face all up? Oh my god, like no face. There was no face on the one side. She was further away from us. But we saw her go down the hill. Yeah, she wasn't there to save

[00:25:27] her ass. But she went she went flying down the hill went over and like, like she jumped the gate like the chain and then landed on her face. And she didn't stop when she landed. Yeah,

[00:25:41] so it kept going that she slid a good couple of she hit into the brick wall. Yeah. And later until somebody went and helped her when they helped her up. She had no face. Yeah. I was like, okay, time to move.

[00:25:57] The only thing I can equate that to is I remember there was a game in the 90s. It was the Steelers against the Cowboys. And there was a play. Michael Irvin went up to make a catch. There was a three River Stadium. Oh, geez.

[00:26:14] And he he came down and he slid on the turf on his arm. And you could see the streak of skin that was left behind on the turf. I was just like, oh, how do they play on that shit?

[00:26:32] Yeah, like, that's what you're thinking. Not all that poor man, the painting must be in. You're like, how does he play on that? Like, how do they like, why do they play?

[00:26:41] What fucking astroturf is beyond me? Wow. Because it was nothing more than like a green carpet over cement. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever experienced astroturf. Probably not. Okay.

[00:26:54] Okay. That's terrible. Like, I do have to play on that. I never had to play on that. Thank God. Okay. I always play on grass fields. But like, I remember standing. I saw two shows at three River Stadium.

[00:27:10] 30 years ago, in fact, I saw the Rolling Stones on the Voodoo Lounge Tour at three River Stadium. And for the 25th anniversary of Three River Stadium, they had a big concert and it was odd to show I've ever seen but I went. Christopher Cross. Oh my gosh.

[00:27:32] Eddie Money. Wow. And the Beach Boys. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, like, I was there for Eddie Money and the Beach Boys, but Christopher Cross was amazing. Oh, I won't say anything.

[00:27:46] Okay. I played the fifth on that one. Hey, we all have our guilty pleasures. It's just not something I've listened to recently at any time. But my mother listened to him. Yeah. So I'm familiar with

[00:27:59] his work. And I'd say sometimes I'd be singing along to that. I mean, he was a very just pushy at ease. It puts you at ease music, you know? If you could caught between

[00:28:13] moon and New York City. Yeah, she was she used to have the 45s. Yeah. Yeah, whole collection. Yeah. She'd be playing both sides too. Yeah. Yeah. He's one of those things that it's not something that you introduce your child to

[00:28:36] where you say, oh, this isn't on my playlist or anything like that. It's just something you wouldn't shut off if it was on. And if you said you didn't like them, you're lying. Christopher Cross goes into that category. I guess they call it yacht rock or whatever.

[00:28:52] But like, like Christopher Cross, like, you know, afternoon delight, that song. That song. That song. You know, the Pina Colada song. Sorry, you cannot talk about afternoon delight and not think of the rest of development. You can't. You fucking can't. God, I'm just in Bateman, man.

[00:29:19] Like the Pina Colada song, like I just that all goes in the same category. The Pina Colada song. Yeah, that sounds cool. Yeah. No, it also like brings up childhood memories. So if you like Pina Colada. That reminds me of Canada.

[00:29:41] Now I'm going to be thinking of this. That sounds like amazing because it's about a guy who wants to cheat on his wife, answers a personal ad in the newspaper and it turns out it's his fucking wife.

[00:29:57] So they're both like at the end, they're like, oh, we're so in love with each other. You are both trying to cheat on each other. They like totally went, saw right past that. Yeah. And then just she's not saying anything. So I'm not saying anything.

[00:30:16] She's saying he ain't saying anything. Well, just read that we're so fucking love each other. Yeah. So we both like Pina Coladas and get in the corner rain apparently. Yeah. So that's a that's a thing now. Yeah. We'll have to add that into our daily routine. Yeah.

[00:30:32] Less time to put out personal ads. Like it's like amazing. Some of the songs, especially from the 70s, like and like, like you like if you just like if you don't listen to them, it's like, oh, that's a catchy little tune. Oh, yeah. I like Pina Colada.

[00:30:46] Yeah. They were so raunchy back then. Yeah. And like I mean, after the light. Yeah. Oh, that's yeah. I mean, you know. Yeah. That's not a song you want to hear any of your parents singing to somebody on the phone.

[00:30:58] Yeah. And I mean, like it becomes that thing where you're like, and I think they were swingers too. Like I think they were all fucking each other. But you know. But back then it was called the key party. Yeah. Which keys and the fishing bowl. Yeah.

[00:31:17] Or the fish bowl, the fishing bowl. Oh my God. I also had to have a laugh of so I was listening as I was doing my my Saturday chores by putting my Saturday airs. I was listening to Heart. Oh. And the one song came on.

[00:31:41] All I want to do is make. And I just started laughing at my song because it's like because like you don't like that song because you don't want to think of Anne Wilson as a filthy whore. No. Even up. No. She's not. Stop.

[00:31:59] I mean, that song is clearly. But no, in. She's not a filthy whore. Don't don't talk bad about the Wilson sisters man. Oh, I can't. I mean, you know, that's like pure perfection of both of them. There you shouldn't be able to make jokes about them.

[00:32:16] They should be off limits. But they worked. I mean, hey, so like they send the song alone. Oh yeah. How do I get you along? Wink wink. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I do. I like Anne and Nancy Wilson, but yeah, you're right. They did. Right. Hey, magic. Yeah.

[00:32:36] Yeah. Yeah. You know, yeah, they were one of the. They were on the filthy side. These are on the side. Yeah. But she got to love them. Oh, yeah. They kept their shit together through all that. I didn't.

[00:32:47] I don't ever remember seeing him maybe because I never paid attention to stuff. Like I got too much back then, but like I never seen anything like like the Fleetwood Mac fights. You know what I mean? The closest thing that came was to Anne's weight. Yeah, you're right.

[00:33:02] Yeah. But that wasn't even the band. No, but that was like everybody else. Like, yeah, that was them. That was the record company itself behind her. Yeah. I mean, it was her sister. Yeah. I mean, fine for her too.

[00:33:16] So it was like one of those bands that even through shit. They kept their crap together and kept it going. I remember the day Chris Cornell died. No. And like the next day, all anybody was talking about was you have to see Anne Wilson doing

[00:33:37] Black Hole Sun on the night show. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. And I remember watching it and like she's singing and I'm just like, I can't see Anne Wilson, but you know, I don't know where everybody's like going, I'll go.

[00:33:52] And then she hits the chorus and let go. And then I was like, oh, that's why Ann Wilson is one of the greatest vocalists of all time. Exactly. When you told me to watch it, I was like Black Hole Sun. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was too.

[00:34:04] I'm like, Ann Wilson did Black Hole Sun. Yeah. I'm like, I'm going to listen. And that's exactly. I was doing the same thing. I was like, and then when she started, I was like, yeah, that got me right there. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:18] Like, yeah, when she hit that chorus and you're just a beautiful voice to let it go. Yeah. That's a shame that they had to, you know, say shit about her or wait, who cares? She's so talented. But it was the 80s.

[00:34:31] It was like the era of the music video and her sister wasn't that way. But if you ever remember though, she tried to dress so she wasn't. Right. Right. You know what I mean? But she also respectful about it, but she also was like having to follow.

[00:34:46] But she also admits she had that problem of she like, she was the absolute opposite of a bulimic. Yeah. Where she looked in the mirror and thought, I look fine. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with me. Yeah.

[00:34:59] And I mean, there wasn't, I mean, you know, but from being a famous person standpoint, you know, that wasn't acceptable. Right. No. Being a rock musician was not acceptable. No. No, you wouldn't look it on stage. I mean, look what Adele went through. Yeah.

[00:35:15] And that woman has a voice. Kelly Clarkson. I don't know anything about her. She also had ballooning weight. Her weight went up and down. Oh, I didn't know. And like, you know, like Fat Kelly Clarkson was like, you know. She's scared of them. Right. I agree.

[00:35:30] But like, you know, that there were people who were like- And she can still sing. Who the fuck cares? Right. Again, I agree. But yeah. So like, I mean, don't forget like, Billy Squire lost a career because of a bad music video. Wait, I read this somewhere.

[00:35:50] It was actual thing about bands that have actually went downhill because of a song or video. And he was in it. What? Because I was like, Billy Squire, that is somebody I haven't heard in a while.

[00:36:02] And then I'm reading them like, that's why I haven't heard him in a while. Yeah. But I can't remember what this- I can't remember what it was. I can't remember the song. I can't remember what the song was. What was this scandal? But it wasn't even a scandal.

[00:36:10] It was just a goofy video. Oh. Like, it was like him and his pajamas dancing around. Like he's up on the bed doing the- It was a very, very weird video. Sorry, doing the what? Like jumping on the bed and stuff. And like these like pajama pants.

[00:36:30] And it was a very odd video. And at the end of it, you're just like, people were just like, well, fuck this guy. He's goofy. And it's sad because he was extraordinarily talented. Wait, I'm a little confused because wait, because like they have had videos like that since.

[00:36:51] One with Chevy Chase and Christopher Walken if I believe. Let me see if I can find that. Am I correct on that? So we have to be talking about something totally different than what I'm thinking. Ask you. Just look up the song that ruined Billy's-

[00:37:12] That was a closet. All right. It was Rock Me Tonight by Billy Squire. And that video, I mean it just after that you never heard of Billy Squire again. Yeah. I can see why. Yeah. I mean, it's a horrible video.

[00:37:27] But the sad part is that song is really fucking good. Yeah, the song ain't bad. And I wouldn't like just because of a bad video, there was a lot of bad videos. But for some reason with him, it totaled his career. Like I don't know why,

[00:37:43] but he never recovered from that. Yeah. I don't know, I just, I don't think I liked his name. I mean, his last name was weird. He also gets, I mean, I'm sure like somebody's out there like, well he gets bonus points for doing the stroke.

[00:38:02] Like and you're right. Yeah. Not his best song, but it's probably the one he's second most well known for. Right. You know, outside of Rock Me Tonight. Right. You know, but like I would say, like if you go and you listen to the album, don't say no.

[00:38:20] That album is fantastic. Like I love that album. Like I know a few weeks ago I talked about Elvis Costello and like Elvis Costello's first album is amazing. And I stand by that statement. But like again, like Billy Squires Don't Say No is an amazing album.

[00:38:37] And like he's a really good musician. It's just like that video completely derailed him. Yeah. He could have been much bigger. Right. But that video just destroyed him and he never recovered for whatever reason. I don't know.

[00:38:54] I don't know why, but it's just it's that thing of like. I wish I would have saved that link because I know it gave an explanation that Lincoln. Well, I don't remember who was that video or not, but I remember there was a reason. It was that video.

[00:39:07] Like I remember it was that video because even like my friends were like, how can you like Billy Squires? Do you see that video? Like yeah, but the song is really good. Yeah. Like I could forgive a bad video. Yeah. The song's good.

[00:39:20] But it goes back to that thing of like very weirdly. Like there are some bands that probably never would have happened if they had come out in the 80s. Right. Like the Stones. Right. Like I don't care what women say. They are not attractive men.

[00:39:41] No, like you could try to tell me all Mick Jagger is so handsome. No, he's not. No. Neither is Keith Richards. Hell no. You know Ronnie Wood none of them. None of them are handsome in my opinion.

[00:39:53] But like so like coming out in the 60s and the 70s for the Stones worked to their advantage because it wasn't. Like they weren't being put on posters. They were just getting their album covers on posters. Right. You know.

[00:40:10] So like it bands like that like where you didn't have like as good as Black Sadathus in the 80s, they would have never taken off because. No. I mean. No. You know, you know what I mean? Yeah. Again not attractive men at all. No. No.

[00:40:33] You didn't have MTV back then to be displaying your ass everywhere. Right. There's a reason why Ozzy was not on the cover of the album. Exactly. You know, until he established himself. I mean, but there's other bands too. But yeah, I get your point. Right.

[00:40:48] But like MTV became like the 80s like the MTV era became an era where like a very visual here. Talent wasn't everything that you needed. No. No. Like I know like we like to say like all the 80s you had to have talent. Not necessarily.

[00:41:06] Now you had to have talent to. To have continued success. Yes. But there were a lot of bands that, you know, they looked really fucking pretty. Yeah. Yeah. Flock of seagulls. Yeah. You know, dude had a look. He weren't good looking though. They were not good looking.

[00:41:27] But they had a look. They did. Like they had the big hair. They did. The, you know, like that whole thing. He had the big hair. Yeah. But I mean like that.

[00:41:37] And like you can even like say like if you look at like the Pesh Modes early stuff. Like, you know, they were pretty boys. They were doing simple sounding music. Yeah. You know, there was some darkness in the lyrics but that didn't really come out until. Right.

[00:41:56] Later on. On. You know, starting with music for the masses. I know, but they have a longevity to them. I can't get them another. No, but I'm saying like they're looked to help them in the beginning. But their talent carried them through. Durandurand. They had a look.

[00:42:17] I don't know. I think their looks are still helping carry them through. But boys are still good looking. No doubt about it. But at the same time, extraordinarily talented band that didn't need their looks to carry them. But it helped a great deal. Especially when MTV. Right. Yeah.

[00:42:38] Yeah. And when we started getting all that all the music from the pond over here. Right. Yeah. I mean like there were a lot of like you know and there were others like you know, Adam Ant. Adam Ant. That dude did very little. Yeah. Like hitting big.

[00:42:56] And then you know. I think I only know one song in his though. He had a few more hits in England. Oh, okay. But like over here it was like kind of like you know that one song. Yeah.

[00:43:11] It's kind of like a Robbie Williams syndrome kind of thing. Robbie Williams is much bigger in England. Oh, I agree. But I'm saying here not so much. Yeah. You got the landing on. I got the landing on. There's another guilty pleasure, Robbie Williams.

[00:43:25] I would not call that a guilty pleasure at all because that's good music. Yeah, but he makes good music. Ask one person that knows you who the hell Robbie Williams is. I understand that. But at the same time I got like to me like a guilty pleasure is.

[00:43:39] Enrique Gracie. I will not you know call that a guilty pleasure. No, because that he like it's not music I like but I will acknowledge he makes good music. He makes really good music. Right. Dude is talented. Yeah, like it's not my my thing.

[00:43:56] He makes really pretty babies too. I'll let him in a corner COVID. No, like a guilty pleasure to me is like Bonnie Tyler. Okay. Like I can listen to that and talk the entire faster than the speed of night

[00:44:18] Alvin and to me it's brilliant from beginning to end. But a lot of that music was also written by Jim Steinem who wrote bet out of hell one and two for meatloaf. Oh, shoot. You know, I think I remember you telling me that. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:44:34] Like Bonnie Tyler had a like a working relationship with him to like to the point. Again, one of those songs that's like why do I like this fucking song making love out of nothing at all by air supply?

[00:44:48] There is nothing else by air supply like I could even name. Like don't turn away every now and then. That's Bonnie Tyler. Oh no, which one is theirs? Make it. No, there's a song. Never mind. Okay.

[00:45:05] But anyway, they did a song called making love out of nothing at all. And I know I love that song, but I could just for there was another song in there. I'm sure there is like I'm sure there is. I just can't name.

[00:45:16] But I'm like why do I like this song and nothing else that they've ever done? And it's because it was written by Jim Steinem. Later on, Bonnie Tyler did a remake of that, which my mind is superior.

[00:45:35] But like the music, streets of fire, the band at the beginning at the end of the movie, the girl that he had to go, Michael Pierre, Perry had to go save. Right. The two songs, the beginning and the end written by Jim Steinem. Oh, okay. Yeah.

[00:45:59] Like Jim Steinem writes that kind of over-the-top kind of rock opera-ish style. And I love that. Wow. I mean you're a big fan of me love. Well, I am. But like also like I guess I think it's like why I like Queen so much.

[00:46:17] Like a lot of their music, especially like their later music, very over-the-top kind of rock opera-ish. Okay. You know, I guess also why I liked odd things like the Phantom of the Paradise, which was a movie that was made in like 1974. You say I never heard of that.

[00:46:38] But it's like a rock opera version of the Phantom of the Opera. And it has Paul Williams in it. Yeah, it's a very weird movie. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's very weird. This time is weird before you even tell me the premise of the movie.

[00:46:53] It's a family opera but with like rock music. And it's just whack and doom. But it has Paul Williams in it. So, yeah. I remember that. I probably will never ever watch it. Sorry. Yeah. Unless it's on TV and I haven't passed by me. Like what is this?

[00:47:10] Be like, you remember someone called me about that. Paul Williams also wrote Rainbow Connections. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like all the music from Emmett Otter's To A Night's Christmas. That was all Paul Williams. I should have been on it. I certainly watched it one time with you. Yeah.

[00:47:33] That's not like saying. I understand. You're not a Muppet person. But then, but also all the music from like the first Muppet movie was Paul Williams. No, see, I like the Muppet movies. Yeah. So I'm a man of a Muppet person.

[00:47:46] As long as it's Kermit, Fawzi, Miss Piggy. No, Janice. Janice. Yeah. Janice is my favorite. I still have her, you know. I know. She's not putting the chest. I can't put her in there. Which is a, yeah, you should watch.

[00:48:05] They did that limited series on Disney Plus about the band. Uh-huh. Yeah. There's a lot of Janice. Is there? Yeah. God, I gotta watch it. Yeah. I freaking love her. Yeah. So yeah, don't tell me I'm not a Muppet person. Yeah, it's pretty funny because it's like.

[00:48:23] Does she talk with her? Oh yeah. Yeah. She has her glasses on. Yeah, there's a lot of Janice in that movie. In that series. She's a very talented Muppet. Yeah. So. She can really strip that guitar.

[00:48:41] So something even I both watch is we kind of mentioned at the beginning and we kind of went away from it. I want to talk about it. Was the movie if. Well, I did watch it. Yes. So what did you think of it? I, I really enjoyed it.

[00:48:57] Yeah. I don't, I don't think it lagged at all. No. And I wish somebody would have been like, I have a box of tissues because about halfway through the movie, you're going to lose your shit. I salient up a couple of times.

[00:49:09] My God, that scene was, it was a beautiful scene. And it was like, I didn't under, I will honestly say I got to the end not knowing what the ending was. Like I had a feeling, but I had no idea that. Right.

[00:49:21] So we're going to spoil this for the next few minutes, but the premise of the story is this, this girl. She suffered family trauma. She lost her mother. I'm going to guess a little like cancer from look at things there.

[00:49:36] And now her father's in the hospital for a heart problem. A broken heart. Yeah. They always say it's a broken heart. Yeah. And her father was played by John Kosinski. You also directed this movie. Written and written. Written and directed. Yes.

[00:49:49] And so she's staying with her grandmother while her father is undergoing, going in for the surgery. And she ends up meeting these imaginary friends. Ifs. Ifs. And Ryan Reynolds is the other, you know, he can see the ifs too.

[00:50:10] And they go on this thing to try to put the ifs together with somebody new. And it turns out that no, they really should be with their original person. And because they didn't grow up, they just forgot. They just forgot. Yeah. So they had to remind them. Right.

[00:50:25] And the little girl finds out that one of the main ifs was her grandmother's if. Yes. Her grandmother's imaginary friend. And so she tries to reunite them and there's this absolutely gorgeous moment where

[00:50:42] she's had her grandmother was a ballet dancer, but she grew up and couldn't be a ballet. She was too tall and too big. But she plays this music and she starts dancing and the if is in the room

[00:50:56] and they have like this connection all of a sudden where the hearts glow. Yeah. And it was beautiful. And then like at the end, like when the grandma goes, okay, let's go inside. And if it, oh my God, like that, that crushed me. Yeah. Like that.

[00:51:15] And I'm sure you remember. And you would walk in the room like right at that moment and I'm like trying to like wipe away tears because like that crushed me. Yeah. But like definitely a toy story moment. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:29] But like it crushed me in a good way because it was like. Yes, it was not. It wasn't sad because it's not like the sad part. Because even the if was like why never left. I can't. I'm always there for her.

[00:51:42] And it was like this, it's just absolutely beautiful thing that like I was just like, oh, this is. Now I got a question for you. The little boy in the hospital that the girl gets attached to that likes dragons. Yeah.

[00:51:59] I have a theory that he could see those ifs, but they weren't what he wanted because he kept saying what else do you got? Yeah. You don't know what she's showing you. Right. You know what I mean? So he was like no.

[00:52:11] And like some of the reactions they had you watched him and it wasn't like he had a big reaction, but there was a little, you know what I mean? So I think you could see this, but he was just waiting for his perfect one. Yeah. And then thing.

[00:52:23] My thing was at the time I'm like why didn't they bring him the dragon? That's what I said. Yes, I said that. I was like where's the dragon? Yeah, like that would have been the one because she brought him a dragon. Right. She had dragons.

[00:52:36] Why are we going with everything but the dragon? Yeah. Well, I want to know is what happens to the ifs when the person passes away? Maybe then they disappeared. Well no, because I mean that one was 97 years old. Oh, so they never have anybody? I don't know. Yeah.

[00:52:59] It's a good idea for me like John Krasinski. I mean he, he blew this one off on fire. Like he did such a good job and the little girl she was like perfect for that. She was like perfect for that part.

[00:53:12] Yeah, I wonder if he knew her or she auditioned. She's perfect. But I just, I further John Krasinski is more than just his character from The Office which is like it's easy to kind of like because he was so good in that role. Yeah.

[00:53:29] And you just kind of like pigeonhole him into that. Yes. Okay, that's that's just what he is. Right. And he's a very good director because he directed the first two Quiet Place movies. And now this. I think he wrote the second one didn't he?

[00:53:44] I think he wrote the first one too. I think so. Yeah, those films are brilliant. Like yeah and his wife is absolutely like the second one. Yeah. Oh my gosh, he's so good in that.

[00:53:55] And so I mean like and then like you see him in other stuff like Jack Ryan. You know the one where he was the military one. Right. Like he's a much better actor than you would just kind of like pigeonhole him as. Right. But also he's multi-talented.

[00:54:21] Yeah, but I'd say he's not Jim anymore. No, he's not. He like has kind of the same features but it's not Jim anymore. Right. It's just not him. No. Like first of all he's freaking Bill. Yeah. Jim wasn't. No. Yeah. Yeah, he is. He's really talented.

[00:54:44] Just watch if. Yeah. Or the Quiet. Is it the Quiet Place? One and two? Yeah. Yeah. Watch them. Yeah. You won't have no questions. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's very impressive and like it and this what I thought was just an amazing movie. Well I have a question.

[00:55:03] Which was your favorite if? Um, I only like the glass of water with the ice cube. Then the marshmallow with the eye. Yeah. Don't look at me eye. Which one? You know which one. And also, um, Sonny. But my favorite was Blue. Yeah. Well I mean.

[00:55:33] Blue is my favorite. Steve Carell was very. He just couldn't keep quiet. No. He just couldn't keep quiet. But even like the moment he had with his kid. Okay. I'm sorry. You're gonna have to. Like it was like. Oh yes. Like was he just like. Yes.

[00:55:50] I'm here for you. I'm here for you. I believe in it. That dude walked in there and he was like. Yeah. Like I was gone. It was so well done and it was just like wow. All right. I'll throw one more at you. Keith. Oh yeah. Keith. Keith.

[00:56:04] Keith was the best. At the end. But he. Oh hi Keith. Hi Keith. And everybody's like what the fuck are these two fucking. I just watched movie. We don't want to spoil anything. You want to know what's interesting? No. You know who played Keith?

[00:56:24] Keith didn't have no voice. Did he? Well. When did he say something? He's credited as being played by Brad Pitt. Really? Yeah. So I wonder if he got the suit laid down and dripped them. Well it's a joke because in Deadpool 2. Remember there was the invisible guy? Yes.

[00:56:46] Credited as being played by Brad Pitt. Oh yeah. See how he wants his credits. That's the joke. Yeah. That's funny. Brad Pitt. Because I've looked up the movie. I wanted to look at like some and I'm like who did Brad Pitt play? Yeah. I'm just Keith. Oh.

[00:57:05] That makes so much sense now. Yeah. Oh god that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. You could play seven ways to Brad Pitt instead of Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon, yeah. Everybody's got their hand in red pit doing something for him. Wow. I mean still. Kevin Bacon. That's amazing.

[00:57:30] Like I don't know what Kevin like if people just like like I remember like Nicholas Cage was making like everything and anything he could because he was like so far in debt. Yeah. He was making garbage movies that were like direct to video.

[00:57:47] But there was like nobody in it but him. Right. Like there was nobody to surround himself. Right. But like he was like he was taking like everything he could because he needed to make money. Didn't work. Right. And like I mean there are a lot of garbage movies.

[00:58:03] I mean you know when the guys have been over and over like 200 and some odd movies and you're like oh that was shit that was shit that was shit. No no no you're going down going never heard of it never heard of it never heard of it.

[00:58:15] Like if you were like a Nicholas Cage completist good fucking luck. Yeah. But even more luck you need even more luck with Kevin Bacon like that but like he shows up and stuff and you're like and he's not even the main character.

[00:58:30] Yeah I didn't try one time if you remember. Yeah. Yeah. Like like there like he's not easy like a the third or fourth lead. Right. Like not even a lead like you're just like kind of like Mark Wahlberg. Yeah.

[00:58:46] Wahlberg will do that from time to time but like Kevin Bacon does a lot where he's like no I don't need to be star. I you know I'll take this small role. Yeah. You're like what the fuck you're Kevin fucking Bacon. Yeah.

[00:58:58] That's almost kind of like almost like Keanu Reeves. He takes roles and then he'll give up his money to get somebody bigger on the movie. Right. It's like dude you could be the star and get paid but no no no no I'm going to

[00:59:15] give up my salary to put it towards money to get Robert Taneer or something like that. You know what I mean? So Keanu Reeves is also apparently like the nicest person. Oh yeah I know. But the only person nicer is Brendan Frazier.

[00:59:29] I don't even know if Brendan Frazier is nicer than Keanu Reeves. I don't know like it's a neck and neck battle. I think I would put Keanu Reeves above that one. Yeah I mean like you know only because you hear so much more about Keanu Reeves

[00:59:43] and how nice he is compared to Brendan Frazier. Right. But I'm saying with what you were saying that's kind of like that. Right and like and his wife like you know she's a gray haired woman who Keanu Reeves' wife. Keanu Reeves is married? Yeah. I know.

[00:59:59] He's married like the same woman for like 40 years or some shit. No. He's the one that had the the baby dying in a year later or something like that. His girlfriend died in a car accident. I don't think Keanu Reeves is married. Let's see here.

[01:00:27] And I see you have his picture there was like this older woman. You sure that ain't his mother? Fairly sorry. Yes. Okay. Of course I am. He's not going to have that information. Here it goes looking stuff up. Yeah looking stuff up yeah which you should pause it.

[01:01:00] Yeah let me pause this. Okay so he's not married but apparently he has a 51 year old girlfriend. Well he ain't no young fuck you know. Well no but I mean at the same time like. He'll be putting the woman down because she's 51. And not I'm just.

[01:01:14] She landed Keanu Reeves. I'm not putting him down or her down but I'm just saying you know unlike um like Leonardo DiCaprio who once they turned 25. Yeah he's done. He's done. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know like. And he can do it because he's Leonardo DiCaprio.

[01:01:33] Right but at the same time it's like well he's a bit of a scumbag. Yeah. He he he's almost like Mahoney Matthew Mahoney Matthew McConaughey's character in Days and Confused. In our 20s. Yeah you know I like him.

[01:01:51] He stays away from the high school he goes to the college. You know I like about these high school girls. I keep getting older they stand the same age. Yeah like looking back at that like in the 70s I understand it but by today's standards like creeper.

[01:02:08] Put him in jail. Yeah. Yeah. Tell gotta go around knocking on doors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Handle out fliers. Yeah. I'm a creeper. I just want to come by and let you know I'm your new neighbor here's some cookies oh by the way I'm a sex offender.

[01:02:29] And do you have any children? Yeah. They're not allowed within 500 feet of me. And or pets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Keep them on a leash less than five feet. Yeah. You know I purposely avoid going on websites. It's in my area just so I don't want to know. No.

[01:02:53] I don't want to know. No. You know. And it's a shame because you should know. Right. But I don't want to know. You know what I mean? Yeah. Ain't like nobody creeping on this.

[01:03:03] So I ain't worried but it's like a battle in my head should I or shouldn't I know this. Well it becomes an odd thing like you don't want to like look out your window and also be like creeper. Yeah exactly. I'm sorry.

[01:03:19] I don't need to look at a website saying that about my name first. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean like I get it like yeah. Yeah. Why were we talking about this? I don't know. We just. I don't know why we're talking about creepers.

[01:03:43] So I found a list that I found interesting. Okay. And go back to this. So this was an article in slash film about sci-fi movie flops that the creators still stand by. Okay.

[01:04:02] Like so this movie flopped it was panned it didn't do well with the box office but the creator of the movie the director completely stands by their vision and even though you didn't like it they did. Okay.

[01:04:19] And I'm being interested here like some of your thoughts on some of these movies because most of these I've seen some of these you'll find very interesting. The first one I'm pretty sure you're familiar with it tank girl. Well yeah I'm Laurie Petty. Laurie Petty yeah. Yeah.

[01:04:39] It's it's become a bit of a cult classic now. But when it was released it was an absolute disaster. People hated it. It didn't do well at the box office but the creator stands by it and I kind of agree because like

[01:04:53] I looked always I was not a fan of the comic but like I watched it I'm like oh yeah that's the comic. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like yeah it came through to me. Yeah so because you're you've read the comic you understand his vision. Right.

[01:05:09] Yeah I've never read the comic and I've seen maybe 10 minutes in the movie. Okay. Sorry but what it was just something I never watched. Right so here's another one. Oh it's been in the back of my head too watch it. Yeah because it's Laurie Petty.

[01:05:24] It's surprising you haven't watched it because it is Laurie Petty you do like her and it seems like it would be like your cup of tea because it's a little it's out there. I don't have to watch something. Yeah. That just nudges me toward that.

[01:05:37] Yeah the next one on the list was Speed Racer. The one that you get very sick watching? Yeah. I for what it was I enjoyed it. Now if I would have seen it in the same form you saw it the first time I would not have enjoyed it.

[01:05:55] I saw it in IMAX. Yeah even I have to admit I got a little bit of motion sickness at the end. Because I saw it on regular TV. Yeah. I enjoyed it. I probably would never watch it again though. Right. I wouldn't call it crap.

[01:06:07] I mean it's got John Goodman in it. Right. I always looked at it and we've meaning to talk about on the show so I'm not overground we've already kind of covered. To me it plays out like an episode of Speed Racer. Right. That's what I remind me.

[01:06:21] I mean it honestly did. Like I left the theater satisfied because it felt like Speed Racer. You didn't take Speed Racer and try to make it into something completely different. That's what I'm saying. It is what it wants. Right. And the Wachowskis kind of agree.

[01:06:37] Like it's they said if you go into an art gallery particularly a modern art gallery or art museum or any art museum you experience an unbelievable range of autistic possibilities and cinema pretty much every movie looks exactly the same.

[01:06:55] We knew that adults cannot accept challenges to their conventional aesthetic and the aesthetic that they are bonded to. Adults if you sort of assault that aesthetic they will rage in this primitive way.

[01:07:12] Like I it has a look and like the Wachowskis were coming off of the Matrix movies. Right. And I think they had done another movie already and this was like their second movie after the Matrix movies. Yeah. And I mean it looks like to me it looks phenomenal.

[01:07:40] Yeah. Like I am right there. I'm like it looked like the cartoon. It felt like the cartoon. It had that odd design. Like everything about it I was like oh this is the colors were fine. Yeah like everything about it I was like yeah I'm right here. Right.

[01:07:58] You know but I also understand why people didn't like it. Because if you go back and you watch the Speedracer cartoon you're like oh wow that's bad. Yeah why are we watching this. Yeah so. Why did we watch it.

[01:08:11] Yeah but I it worked for me as a movie and I still enjoy it. But I also get why people didn't like it because it. Just look at for what it was supposed to be. Right. Next on the list and this is shocking to me. The next two.

[01:08:27] He really is shocking. The next two actually. Uh the first one is Blade Runner. Why Blade Runner did not do well at the box office. I don't know about that but yeah it's what. Yeah it did not do well and I mean. Also wow like over the years.

[01:08:50] The the fit I mean really Scott like is basically told the credit statement to fuck themselves. Oh yeah. But like also over the years I the thing that Blade Runner has suffered from and the reason that like there are people out there that hate this movie

[01:09:04] is the multiple versions of it. Yes I can I can see that. Right. I can see that being yes. Like and then you have me who's like I love the original theatrical version. Yeah. Which like most Blade Runner fans like well you're an idiot. Yeah.

[01:09:23] But one is the version I fell in love with. Right. And two I still think it's a brilliant movie. Even though I understand like Harrison Ford and Ridley Scott did not want to do the voiceover and stuff it felt like a pulp novel to me with that. Mm-hmm.

[01:09:44] Like it added to the layers of what like to me like as I thought like I was like okay I'm cool. Yeah. And I watched Blade Runner in any version. Right and I mean like the director's cut and the ultimate cut everything else is not

[01:09:59] there like I get that and I appreciate that and like especially the very first director's cut because I actually saw that in a theater. Well is 2049 on there. Yes that's the next one. Oh my god damn. Yeah. Like and it kind of hurt a little.

[01:10:18] It does because that movie was so fucking good. It was like they went from the original they blended those story lines together so well. Right. It all made sense. Yeah. I mean it didn't do well. Wow.

[01:10:36] Financially it grows $276 million against a $150 million budget so it probably ends up with the like ad campaign everything ends up losing money probably. Yeah. But and Dennis Villeneuve who went from that to doing Dune parts one and two and later on part three.

[01:11:01] Oh geez there's gonna be another part I haven't seen two yet. Yeah well we're gonna sit down and watch one. I know. I would like to sit down and do them back to back. Yeah me too.

[01:11:11] I would like to refresh my memory and then I think that's why I've been putting it off. Yeah. Yeah. These days when you're working on a film in a bubble and it was only when I came out

[01:11:20] that I realized that we had made a monster but the monster is so fucking good. Yeah that's why I don't understand because like a lot of movies that pick up what 30, 40 here or however many years into the future.

[01:11:32] I'm not saying they were I'm saying in general it doesn't sometimes it doesn't make sense and this just made so much sense. It did. Like it really did and like I'm sure I'm actually shocked either one. I'm shocked the original. Creepy Charity let it all worked. Happy birthday.

[01:11:53] Yeah. Um like everything I do with Harrison Ford. And he wasn't creepy he was blind stop that. He was creepy. He was not. That character was creepy as fucker. Like I liked Jared Leto but that character was creepy. Okay and like everything about 2049 I absolutely love. Yeah.

[01:12:20] I think it's a phenomenal film. Yeah. Like I really do. When he goes to find Harrison Ford and the coloring of the scene. Yeah. Like it was just wow I can't tell that orange and oh my god and then when he finally finds them. Yeah. It's even better.

[01:12:37] Yeah. Wow I can't believe they're on there. Yeah. All right are you gonna break my heart anymore? Uh yeah a little bit. The next one might crush you a tad. All right so the next film on our list the Abyss. What? Yeah.

[01:13:00] Um it only grossed 90 million dollars so it's considered a flop based on a budget of about 50 million. So underperformed by studio standards. Man Michael Bain's in that movie. I mean there's a lot of, I mean Harris is in that movie.

[01:13:22] Mary Elizabeth Master and Antonio is in that movie. Yeah it's a damn fine movie. Like Cameron defends it as a good movie and it is. I think it's a very good movie. I don't know.

[01:13:37] It's one of those movies I got as I watched it I was like you know. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah I didn't get to see in the theater but when I did see it I was like what took me so long to watch this movie? Yeah.

[01:13:49] Yeah it was so good. Wow. Is there multiple endings on that one? Yeah. Yeah there is a director's cut that extends that ending a bit and like. You mean like the part with the alien?

[01:14:06] Yeah like Ed Harris and the alien like that's a conversation and then it kind of explains a little bit better. The ship coming up and everything and happening at the very end. Right. There's a better job of explaining that. Oh okay.

[01:14:19] But so the ending is a bit longer but. Right. Wow. Yeah. That one hurts a little too. Wow. People are so judgmental. But like. Quick judging of good shit.

[01:14:33] But what I like is like I mean I think it's easy like if a movie tanks to say like oh you know. I made a stanker. Yeah. Right. Like there are very few like the one the only one like I've ever kind of sat there and said

[01:14:50] the director like defending the movie and he'll defend like John Carpenter has said he has never ever made a bad movie and I point to Escape from LA. Oh god. That movie is fucking awful.

[01:15:11] I'm sorry to say I hate to say it but I wanted that movie to be so good. You know that has a great cast in it. Yeah but it is bad. Oh it is terrible. And I love Escape from New York.

[01:15:24] Yeah oh save from New York is an amazing movie. God Escape from LA yes. Yeah. Yeah do not defend that movie for sure. But John Carpenter well. And it and I don't think there was hard work putting that movie. Maybe the actors that's about it.

[01:15:39] Not so much curve wrestling. Steve Buschami. Um ah the chick's name. Friggin little firm. What's her name? The thing about this man I don't I can't remember. But the thing about that movie is like you had an opportunity to have a franchise. Yeah yeah right.

[01:15:57] But you know like Escape from New York was so good and not and you had no budget. None. And now you're making Escape from LA with a massive budget and you gave us that. That was it. That's all you had in you. Yeah. Yeah. Like. Pam Gure.

[01:16:18] Pam Gure yeah. Yeah. Like you had a chance to do have like a snake plisken franchise and. Ha ha ha snake plisken franchise. Oh. Never make a game? No. The closest you come to a game is Metal Gear Solid. When the main character's name is Snake. Yeah.

[01:16:39] And he has a patch. Yeah he has a patch. Like and the guy who made it. Miss like I based the entire character off a snake plisken. Yeah I don't even his voice that his voice is so iconic. The voice by David Hader. And it's that gruff.

[01:16:59] Yeah it's you almost sounds like snake plisken. Everything about him is snake plisken except for what he's doing. The it's I don't know though because you say they could have made a franchise out of that. I don't know you can't just recreate magic twice. I'm sorry.

[01:17:15] But you like. Like what kind of setting how many times could. Why not be forced to you know what I mean. You know like prison break. How many times are you going to break out of a prison. But you don't make you don't make the franchise about okay.

[01:17:28] Okay now you've got to go to escape from Chicago or escape from Dallas. I hear there's a zombie apocalypse in Pittsburgh to drop you into. Yeah you can't like you wouldn't do shit like that but no. You can take that character and make him like.

[01:17:46] A gun for hire and put him in the scenarios like a. A magnificent seven type of setting right yeah like. This these people have hired him to because there's a warlord in the desert and they need

[01:18:01] and he recruits a team and they you know shit like that could have been done like. Or he could be infiltrating right or you know. Yeah anything like you could there was so much you could have done with that character.

[01:18:15] And you flushed it down the toilet with escape from LA. Unfortunately and these days in Asia is no going back. No and I mean and what's sad is even like. They have tried there have been multiple attempts to try to relaunch.

[01:18:32] That franchise like we're going to reboot we're going to make another escape from New York. Gerard Butler was going to be snake blitzkett. Yeah I wasn't sure about that one.

[01:18:42] I like I like Gerard Butler a lot but yeah but no it's I don't know if I'd like a mistake. He's more of a Sparty guy for me. This is. But I think even more is like that the now.

[01:19:02] The Secret Service agent from like the all although he did like three movies is like the same character like well what was it called London has fallen. Angel was falling. I don't watch yeah.

[01:19:22] So the next movie on this I don't know if you ever saw this or not. I have I used to have one. I think I still may still have it on DVD with a dawn blue animated feature. Called Titan AE.

[01:19:37] I remember you talking about why I never watched it. Yeah. Don't I mean first off dawn blue legend. You know the guy created blue blue is in the blue family. Yeah. B.O.U.T.H. yeah.

[01:19:54] Don Bluth was a Disney animator he broke away from Disney started his own company. They spelled there's B.L.U.E.T.H. Maybe. Oh B.O.U.T.H. I'm probably wrong. But or B.L.U.T.H.E.

[01:20:06] But dawn blue was like you know you're gonna look it up. I'm gonna look it up. Dawn blue. You say that what was a legend in animation. I mean like he did like Anastasia the land before time all doors go to heaven.

[01:20:24] The secret them like B.L.U.T.H. Yeah. So but this was another one he did which had a big budget and it had a lot of like big names involved with that Matt Damon was the main character. Really yeah.

[01:20:48] Bluth told the LA Times in 2022 that he was asked to board the project despite a lack of familiarity with either CGI or sci-fi it was sort of me doing something that wasn't in my DNA.

[01:21:01] Despite the newness of the endeavor and his belief that the film story might be better suited to live action. Bluth put as much love into the project as ever. I tried as much as I could to make it beautiful to look at.

[01:21:14] And it was it was beautifully animated and it used CGI in a very interesting way with the villains and it was just one of those things I like is one of those things I'm learning at Stork has been telling me this for years and I'm starting to

[01:21:29] believe he's right unless it's Star Trek or Star Wars science fiction doesn't make money. Yeah. And what most of these movies are all at all I mean it's science fiction but like I'm starting to see it more and more there have been some very good science fiction

[01:21:47] movies that have absolutely tanked and I just don't understand why. Yeah yeah well naming those on the list. Right but even like recently like like I'm gonna hear shit about it but a lead a battle angel phenomenal movie it's fantastic it was so well done and it was

[01:22:07] directed by Robert Rodriguez it was a project that James Cameron kind of had in the back burner for years and he went to Avatar land and never came back and he let Robert Rodriguez make the movie and it is extraordinarily well done but it tanked. Yeah.

[01:22:23] You know I mean like it's but there is a cult following for and I'm part of that cult that because it was based off of an anime that was just fantastic I would love to

[01:22:35] I would love to have seen that continued but it won't be like yeah Disney teases and everyone's like we're thinking about it but they won't. Yeah they do that a lot don't they they string you along is the movie I don't know if

[01:22:52] I'm gonna say the name of the movie right is the movie sky captain something to I captain a world of tomorrow is that is considered sci-fi. I had considered like because it's done in a weird way that I can't even watch

[01:23:09] well it's because it's everything is CGI okay everything except for the people are CGI there was one of the first movies to do that and I remember it was groundbreaking because of that um I consider it kind of sci-fi ish kind of steampunkish

[01:23:30] because like the technology right because it's like it's done like a serial like from like the 40s and 50s but yeah at the same time it like the technology is like super futuristic but also very

[01:23:46] 50s looking at the same like it's like a very odd thing um like that movie and the rocketeer I kind of put in the same category like you know I mean like and I love both of those movies but um yeah

[01:24:02] I consider it sci-fi in a way. I just wanted to know if that was in my opinion I'm sure something will tell me I'm completely wrong but I like that movie a lot. If they do let me know

[01:24:14] I will because I want to know what they think it is. The next movie I didn't know if there was a genre for it yeah the next movie on the list is uh John Carpenter not not not John Carpenter

[01:24:27] John Carter oh the one with uh rigs yeah I never watched it I did and it's not a bad movie I didn't watch it because I didn't want to see him in a bad movie it's not that bad of a movie

[01:24:46] like I'm not gonna tell you it's great like there are movies on here that will tell you is more great and people missed out on this wasn't great but I like I also see why it failed

[01:24:56] because the book is based on I mean it's like it's a civil war veteran you know you all of a sudden teleported to Mars and like it's it's very wackadoo and they tried to do like a

[01:25:11] as fateful of a retelling of that as possible and it just like doesn't translate well but I mean like Edgar Race Burroughs who wrote the original book like that's what he was

[01:25:25] you know China right yeah say you know so like I get why it tanked I think it's better than people will tell you it is I the biggest problem it had was it had a massive budget

[01:25:38] like 300 million dollars wow but it was all being put in the special effects and yeah because I'm pretty sure they didn't pay him no 300 million dollars yeah what is it kitsch what is his name

[01:25:55] Taylor Taylor kitchen yeah get out all money the next on the list I know you had didn't watch is the Eternals no and this was like the first like clunker from Marvel because the Marvel movie the Eternals are Marvel characters you told me it wasn't worth watching

[01:26:16] so I never went to yeah and it's not like you know it's that thing of like it I enjoyed it to an extent but not like it's still not like a good movie you know I mean like it's tough and I

[01:26:43] it was the first time of like I kind of sat down I thought to myself man what was Marvel thinking because this isn't that good yeah you know like they really missed it on this one

[01:26:55] yeah no I just remember you telling me just it doesn't you won't matter if you see it or not it just isn't worth watching yeah because you know me I did lose interest in you did lose

[01:27:07] interest in Marvel other than like Spider-Man it's not true I love X-Men right but I mean like I'm talking about like the Marvel movies that have come out oh yeah post infinity war post end game you have dropped off yeah like other than the Spider-Man movie

[01:27:29] yeah I don't because I haven't seen anything worth watching right yeah I understand that yeah are they coming out with a new Spider-Man by the way come on not at this point no oh my god

[01:27:41] see and then they're gonna start it all over I'm gonna have to learn how Spider-Man became a Spider-Man yeah I mean we're gonna bring back the green goblin I think they're still looking

[01:27:52] to do something with the the new kid Tom Holland the new kid by now he is not the new kid right but you know after the last movie you might take offense to that after the last movie is

[01:28:07] their kid okay but yeah I mean like Marvel was struggled it's because I mean not that I could do it because I can't or I would I haven't really seen anything that was all that great with the X-Men stuff coming out so

[01:28:28] it was like anything veering off or anything about them I just was like man right like I didn't like obviously I dead pole and Wolverine is going to save yeah like that that is going to be a

[01:28:42] monster movie you know especially when you got Hugh Jackman returning after he said yeah more everybody is like yay yeah because let's face it the other reason you watch Wolverine other than

[01:28:56] Wolverine X-Men is Hugh Jackman yeah and I mean I'm intrigued to see kind of how it goes like how do they use Deadpool to kind of connect everything yeah you know I mean like

[01:29:13] and there's the multiverse stuff and I mean clearly like I mean like in the trailer like there's a 20th century fox logo you know there's all sorts of wacky new shit taking place in a Deadpool movie there's always wacky new shit right but this isn't even more wacky

[01:29:29] dude because you're getting in the multiverse stuff okay you know and so like I'm intrigued to see like how this all kind of like comes together comes together like I because I know that it does they've

[01:29:39] introduced the idea of mutation already like through Miss Marvel okay because there's a moment in the Miss Marvel show at the end where like they're like well your powers aren't just being derived

[01:29:58] from the the amulet there's also a mutation and when I sit when the kid says mutation in the background you can hear the X-Men 97 like yeah like like there's like the very first

[01:30:15] time they ever say the word mutation or mutant they play that that little a little snippet yeah no shit yeah so I used to get so excited when I heard that so like it I mean I'm intrigued how like

[01:30:30] okay how does this kind of back door in everything yeah because it's you know Deadpool in the multiverse so what could go wrong oh I can go wrong yeah I have to see you saying Deadpool and a lot can go wrong

[01:30:46] um the next the next movie on the list is um The Fountain which I did not watch but I am not a big fan of Darren Arnavsky's movies oh he did Reckon for a Dream yes and Pie yes and that was enough

[01:31:03] that was all unless I seen one or not no it was wait no there was one more I watched a his I just don't know what I don't know about the fountain line yeah um so I can't comment on that but like I

[01:31:16] know it has a cult following like Arnavsky has a cult yeah yeah you know but like to me like that dude's just fucked in the head like after watching Reckon for a dream I'm like okay

[01:31:27] there's a lot of people that are fucking in the big movies yeah uh next up was a wrinkle in time which I watched I read the book as a kid what is this movie um just a couple years old I want to say came out like maybe 2019 2020

[01:31:53] I can't place it I've heard I know the name because of the book but I can't place to do a movie I know I'm sitting there going I know this but it's only because of the block yeah so obviously I haven't seen the movie

[01:32:08] like it's I think that move I think that book is hard to translate oh I never read the book yeah because well it's all mathematics like it's the book is about and the movies about like using mathematics to save

[01:32:29] interdimensional space well a wrinkle in time that would come toward numbers being used at some point yeah I have to sneeze excuse me all right Nancy has sneezed I was able to muthafies sorry no problem um next on the list is Starship Troopers

[01:32:50] well that's a fun little film it is I think I think it's very good I think I it I've read the book it is not a literal translation from the book at all

[01:33:01] I don't know I didn't even know it was a book yeah I didn't know the movie was supposed to be a book or the book you know what I mean right I think Paul Verhoeven kind of went and did his own thing

[01:33:12] with it I think it works I think it tells the story that he wants to tell and it's kind of like a it's one of those movies where like if you watch it on the surface you just get the story and

[01:33:28] the story is very good but there is like undertones to it that like you can like you know about fascism and like it's a it could be a deep movie if you let it be like I I understand a little bit of that just because of like

[01:33:46] some of it's not that well hidden you know but on the surface I just like it for what it is yeah you know like I thought it was like a fun adventure and then like you're like why does Neil Patrick Harris look like a Nazi?

[01:34:04] Wow yeah you're like wow that came out of nowhere okay Zougie Halzer yeah mm well very far from a Nazi yeah and the last one is a movie I did watch called Children of Men

[01:34:25] that was also based off of a book um again it's like a movie that like audiences just failed to embrace but like and like it's a very good movie I thought I thought was very well done

[01:34:38] um it I think the thing I'm like and the thing I'm learning and the thing I'm starting to kind of understand more and more and embrace is just the fact that science fiction doesn't sell

[01:35:01] like I don't know why even when it's done well yeah like what is other than in and I can't even say Star Wars and Star Trek excluding them what is good science fiction to you because most

[01:35:17] of the time that's selling because of the name well I feel like if you could get a big like Interstellar did well as a Christopher Nolan movie and I also um inception

[01:35:34] the I would lump them into science fiction oh me too you know and both of those movies are fantastic and they're both very well done I know Tim right now is cringing as I'm saying

[01:35:47] Interstellar is a good movie but he doesn't like it no he doesn't I get the ending isn't you know it's it's out there but you know otherwise it's a very good movie but you know

[01:36:05] inception is a phenomenal movie that's one of the best movies I may have ever seen yeah yeah huh speaking of Leo yeah yeah that is a really really good movie I mean it's got an outstanding

[01:36:17] cast yeah it's a great mind fuck yeah and it's it's one of those movies too that you it demands your full attention yes like you cannot no like there is no at no point you get up and go to the

[01:36:30] bathroom no no it don't even pause it no like it demands your full attention hold your pee yeah I mean I don't drink while you're watching right I remember seeing it in the theater like at the

[01:36:42] end of it we were we talked about the ending yeah like the entire drive home right you know like everything about it was just so well done and um so it to me like it's just that odd thing of

[01:36:58] like I don't know why science fiction there are other movies like I will I will like that didn't do well at all and I don't understand why like like Tron Legacy yeah that's a fantastic movie yeah

[01:37:14] yeah I don't get it you know I mean I know they're making another one with Jared Leto and I'm hoping it's good you know I I'll go see it but like it it bums me out that like that like

[01:37:25] movies like that like you know who did Shutter Island that was um that was uh I don't know why they came to not not missons which are my movie but really good the guy who does like

[01:37:46] who did Goodfellas and uh oh my god I can't believe I can't think of that that's me very famous director Coppola not not not Coppola he needed the godfather I'm confusing you're mixing the two of them up Coppola the godfather yeah I wanted to say

[01:38:02] you said Goodfellas yeah I heard Godfather yeah um Martin Scorsese Scorsese oh my god he makes one of my favorite movies of all time um oh the one with uh huh Leo the Capricorn work over whatever it doesn't be Irishman no

[01:38:37] keep going maybe I'm wrong maybe that wasn't Scorsese he lost he's done so much shit yeah he did he did shut her out yeah yeah he has done a lot of stuff yeah I mean like the the list of stuff that Scorsese's done

[01:39:04] um as a director 72 things as a director no the one you're thinking of uh the departed the departed yeah yeah because that was he like he kind of got in the business with the caprio

[01:39:28] he had just done gangs in New York with the caprio and then the aviator and then the parted and shutter island Wolf of Wall Street like he he's kind of become like a it's like more like

[01:39:47] the Nero was like his guy for the longest time like his and then he latched on to the caprio for a lot of his stuff right the Irishman I believe they were there he was in as well

[01:40:01] like so like yeah like he's he's done a ton of stuff with the caprio over the years a lot of it really good like I really like the aviator the part is a very good movie

[01:40:11] shutter island's fantastic um the Wolf of Wall Street's fantastic I never saw the Irishman hmm okay hillar is a flower of the flower moon which I mean that was supposed to be very good but

[01:40:27] I'm not into that no okay but you but you look backwards like he makes casino with the Nero Cape Fear with the Nero I like Cape Fear good fellas um the king of comedy raging bull

[01:40:47] taxi driver hmm mean streets yeah like he did a lot of stuff with the Nero I didn't realize he directed the color of money really yeah I didn't know that either that's a really good movie I probably did but don't remember I'd prefer not to watch it

[01:41:05] I know you know you don't like cruise I get that the last temptation of Christ where were you talking about this why was this brought up I can't remember

[01:41:23] all right um that's it for the show you don't have an email from that I do but there's not much readable here not much what you won't fear that let's see here I think that takes me to tasks

[01:41:39] um Shawn you are full of shit you and Ian shit on everything each week for example Kennywood it's not bubble gum and rainbows as you described well it's not it's hot it's sticky no you can talk

[01:41:53] about shade all you want it's too many people not my thing too many kids yeah it's not bubble gum and rainbows yeah it is not um he basically accuses me of being uh touched by the family priest I'm not Catholic

[01:42:21] so there's that that's why I'm afraid of Christmas lights in halloween he says no I just find that shit boring like I'm not putting you down for enjoying it I enjoy it's just I find that shit

[01:42:38] boring I'm sorry I'm not interested in it at all yeah I'll put any of that stuff up no um he thanks us for being the sponsor of arthurcon this year which we were not but yeah the furry convention

[01:43:04] oh furry can't sorry yeah that's right 15 000 people attended it wow yeah where was this at downtown Pittsburgh downtown Pittsburgh also they raised I wish I knew the name of the it's a white oak

[01:43:16] charity for senior dogs they raised $100,000 wow like they pick every year a pet charity to donate to and like you know the attendees donate money towards it they raised $100,000 for this uh

[01:43:34] senior dog shelter in white oak yeah in white oak in white oak is that the one no I don't think it's that maybe it is that one I don't know wow because they can definitely expand yeah it's like a little

[01:43:46] trailer sitting there if it is that one yeah I think that one's only cats I think there's another one somewhere oh there's dogs in there either I can hear them barking yeah I know somebody who

[01:43:56] volunteers there and she's always posted pictures of cats hmm so maybe it ain't that one then because you said senior dogs senior dogs yes so it may not be that one right yeah so well wasn't Ian one of

[01:44:13] the 15 000 in attendance no no he was not that was not taken at the furry convention no no apparently there is a furry club that meets in Pittsburgh and then they went over to the bar he was hanging out at

[01:44:31] and that's where that picture was taken uh so there are still some things Ian can't talk to him to do like attending a furry convention no he's not gonna no I think that was one of the reasons

[01:44:44] he skipped town and went camping and by the way this weekend he's in north Carolina Ian right now is living his best life that's all I can say he's enjoying his summer and enjoy a way

[01:44:57] so that's very good for him yes um good for me yeah good for you because you get to be on the show so is there anything you like not good for your listeners there are people who like you like that

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