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KathyI'm Shelley.
LauraAnd I'm Kathy.
KathyAre you overcome with anxiety and worry?
KathyDoes it seem like your world is always full of tension?
KathyAre you depressed a lot?
KathyMany people are feeling this way.
KathyLaura Rhodes Levin is a licensed therapist who specializes in treating anxiety, depression and trauma.
KathyShe's the author of the Missing Rewire youe Brain, Reduce Anxiety and Recreate youe Life.
KathyLaura is the founder of the Missing Peace center for Anxiety.
KathyShe's a highly respected expert on psychological issues and has been interviewed by many media outlets.
KathyLaura offers psychotherapy, neurofeedback, art therapy and other treatments to calm the nervous system and restore the brain.
KathyShe has valuable insights that we wanted to tap into to help our listeners.
KathyWe have Laura with us today.
KathyWelcome, Laura.
KathyThank you so much for being on the show.
ShellyOh, my pleasure, Laura.
KathyWe're really looking forward to unpacking what you know to help our listeners who may be suffering.
KathyThere's so much anxiety today.
KathyIs that all because the brain's gone haywire?
KathyI know that's not a proper diagnostic term, but many, many people feel.
LauraI like haywire.
KathyHaywire.
KathyYeah, exactly.
KathyBut, you know, I think many people feel out of control, especially since the pandemic.
ShellyYeah.
ShellyAnd I think, I think haywire is a great way to put it actually, because our anxiety is supposed to be there.
ShellyI, I often tell people it's.
ShellyIt's not what's wrong with you, it's what's right with you.
ShellyOur anxiety is part of our fight flight response, which is essential to our survival.
ShellyBut in today's haywire world, where it feels like everything's an emergency, everything has to get done right now our bodies are being dumped with adrenaline and cortisol and it's like everything is urgent and our brains are not built to live on a constantly urgent basis.
ShellyAnd we're just learning, and some of us have never learned that it's really important to not live that way, to let your messages go to voicemail.
ShellyYou don't have to text back right away.
ShellyAnd giving yourself permission to let your.
KathyBrain regulate and relax as fast as our society Moves.
KathyWith all the technology and all the devices, everybody's move, move, move.
KathyWe're more impatient today than we've ever been.
KathySo I'm not sure we know how to do that anymore.
KathyI think it's a skill we're losing.
LauraIsn't that the truth?
ShellyIt's true.
ShellyAnd today's modern society, our bodies and our brains are suffering because all of our creature comforts, we're not climbing the steeps for lavender anymore and hunting mammoth.
ShellySo our bodies are not getting what it needs naturally, what they need naturally to stay healthy.
ShellyAnd so we have to invent all this stuff to keep our bodies moving.
ShellyAnd the opposite is true for our brains.
ShellyWe used to just gather the lavender and then the sun went down and we looked at the stars and maybe beat a drum.
ShellySo our brains and bodies are in very uncaught up states of being with the life we've created.
KathyYou know, it's interesting, I think I read somewhere that when electricity started becoming very commonplace, people weren't going to bed when they're supposed to, and it was creating more tension and anxiety.
KathyI'm not sure they use the word anxiety, but today technology is constant.
KathyPeople go to bed with their cell phones, their smartphones, they're constantly being overstimulated.
ShellyYeah, yeah.
ShellyAnd from what I understand, in addition to that, the industrial age, the idea that we need to sleep so that we can work nine to five is also not natural.
ShellyWe get very upset when we don't sleep through the night.
ShellyBut it used to be like you said, we went to bed, the sun went down and you woke up a few hours later.
ShellyMaybe you had relations with your partner and then you both went back to sleep and you woke up again at 5 or 6.
ShellyAnd that's our just natural rhythm.
KathyYeah.
KathySo we're not following our circadian rhythms.
KathyCan that lead to anxiety?
ShellyOh, for sure.
ShellyIt just leads to dysregulation.
ShellyI'm sure.
ShellyI think, and forgive me if I'm wrong, Shelly, but I think you said Kathy lives in Alaska.
KathyNo, Kathy.
LauraI work up in Northern Canada.
ShellyNorthern Canada.
ShellyOkay.
ShellyI don't know why my brain pictured Alaska, but you know, seasonal affective disorder, when we're deprived from what we're normally exposed to, our.
ShellyOur bodies and our brains don't feel comfortable.
LauraYeah.
LauraLike I work in the winter, I'm so far north that when I'm on night shifts, I don't see the daylight for two weeks.
LauraI come in, I go, I leave for work at 5:30 at night, and it's Pitch black.
LauraI get back in at seven in the morning and it's still pitch black.
ShellySo.
LauraYeah, it's rough and we're kind of in, in.
LauraOur rooms are very small.
LauraThey're cute.
LauraIt's like a little cubicle.
LauraSo it's.
LauraYeah.
LauraA lot of people have that, like you say, seasonal affective disorder.
LauraSo people will bring in one of those lamp lights to try and give them like sun rays and stuff.
LauraSo.
LauraAnd it affects a lot of people up here, like the depression and more anxiety and just, you know, they're really antsy and edgy and nothing, you know, nothing is working.
LauraSo that, that sunlight is, is a big thing.
LauraAnd not to mention night shift, your, your, your circadian rhythm is completely out of whack.
LauraAnd I find like I'm, I'm 55, and the older I get, the harder it is.
LauraLike I, I feel like I got run over by a train right now and I'm only a week in.
ShellyRight.
ShellyOur recovery is different as we get older.
KathyYeah.
KathySo we're doing a lot of this to ourselves.
ShellyYeah.
ShellyAnd, and, and society.
ShellyYou know what I mean?
ShellyWe get into habits of, you know, a text message.
ShellyI don't know when it became like a thing.
ShellyIt used to be just a way to send a message so someone could see it.
ShellyAnd now it's like if you don't respond to a text message right away, people are like, is he mad?
ShellyYou know, why, why haven't they called?
ShellyAnd it's, it's just not that.
ShellyAnd I don't think I feel like words like mindfulness or self care are used a lot, but very misunderstood and underutilized.
ShellyI don't think we really fully.
ShellyLike, if I could change the concept of mindfulness, I wouldn't call it mindfulness.
ShellyI'd either call it bodiness or sensefulness, because it is about being in the moment.
ShellyBut that's, that's not where our mind often is.
ShellyIt's our five senses that bring us into the moment, that allow us to be present.
ShellyAnd so that's our way out of technology.
ShellyI think.
KathyI think it makes total sense.
ShellyYeah.
ShellyAnd then believe it or not, the more you do that stuff, the more grounded you are, the more calm your body is, you actually become much more productive.
ShellyIt's that, you know, bumper sticker, working smarter, not harder.
ShellyAnd we just train ourselves and we don't know how to fill ourselves up anymore.
KathySure.
LauraYou know, what works for me is daily meditation.
LauraAbout 20 minutes.
LauraI've been including that in my, since my recovery days.
LauraI have 12 years sober and I find that when I don't do it, I'm scattered.
LauraI'm not as calm when that or when problems arise, I get more flighty sort of things.
LauraSo for me it, it makes a big difference that I include it in a self disciplinary way for my own mental health and for my own well being and I guess for the well being of other people if I'm not responding.
LauraKathy, did you meditate today?
ShellyNo.
LauraThen get back out, get in there and do it.
KathySure.
ShellyWell, good for you too.
ShellyI'll be 18 in October.
KathyOh bravo.
ShellyThat's actually, you know, where I started exploring and I think meditation can be confusing for people and they think it's just about banishing your thoughts and it isn't.
ShellyIt is about grounding yourself and meditation in the non traditional sense, but in the very effective sense can be gardening or cooking or drawing or making a necklace or sports.
ShellyThere are all ways to just quiet the mind and be present and meditation is such a wonderful way to do that.
ShellyStay tuned for more of Women Road warriors coming up.
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ShellyWelcome back to Women Road warriors with Shelly Johnson and Kathy Tucaro.
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KathyToday's modern society is overstimulated with devices that don't give our brains the chance to disconnect and re regulate.
KathyOur brains and bodies are hopelessly caught up in the chaos of the lives we've created.
KathyWe're dysregulated.
KathyOur bodies are being overburdened with adrenaline and cortisol, with things that are always urgent.
KathyThis leads to tension, anxiety and worry.
KathyWe're in a state of fight flight and we don't know why or how to stop it.
KathyWe need to learn how to quiet the mind and be present.
KathyAccording to Laura Rhodes Levin.
KathyLaura is a licensed therapist who specializes in treating anxiety, depression and trauma.
KathyShe's the author of the Missing Rewire your brain, reduce anxiety and recreate your life.
KathyLaura is the founder of the Missing Peace center for Anxiety.
KathyShe offers psychotherapy, neurofeedback, art therapy and other treatments to calm the nervous system and restore the brain.
KathyLaura, now your book talks about happiness needs to be within a person's grasp and there is life beyond anxiety.
KathyWhat exactly does your book explore?
KathyI'm seeing that you say that anxiety is not a set of pre wired uncontrollable buttons.
KathyIt's a matter of finding out who installed the buttons right and how to unwire them.
KathyWe would love to all know how to do that because I, I suffer from anxiety now and then and I've had to learn to deep breathe, engage that parasympathetic nervous system, that sort of thing, you know.
ShellyYeah.
ShellyAnd the idea in the book is that we don't want to always be responding to the anxiety.
ShellyWe want to set up our lives so that anxiety only happens when it's supposed to happen.
ShellyIf someone cuts you off on the freeway, you're supposed to get anxious and swerve and move very quickly.
ShellyBut I think the book is broken down.
ShellyEach chapter is three different sections and they're short chapters.
ShellySo the first part is a time in my life when anxiety was ruling me.
ShellyIt's like a specific story and then a way that I avoid being in that situation now, whether it's set a boundary or making my own choices or negative thinking.
ShellyAnd then the last part is a little exercise that you can do to apply it to your life, which people don't have to do.
ShellyBut I think when you.
ShellyWhen you put it into context in yourself, it makes a lot more sense.
ShellySo, for instance, I think a lot of people.
ShellyAnxiety.
ShellyHave anxiety because they're in careers that they thought they were supposed to be in.
ShellyIt's someone else's programming.
ShellyAnd yet you're just not happy.
ShellyYour life may look very good on paper, but it's not really what's your true purpose, your true desire?
ShellyAnd so once you start peeling away the layers of what your parents wanted you to do, what your job wants you to do, what society wants you to do.
ShellyWe talked earlier about cell phones and technology.
ShellyHow much of that do you really have to do?
ShellyAnd it's way less than you think.
ShellySo it's more about creating the life you want so that anxiety happens in a natural, normal way where it's supposed to happen, where we don't have to stop and breathe and collect ourselves.
ShellyThat's great.
ShellyThose are really important tools to have, especially when the anxiety hits for real.
ShellyBut why live in a constant state of anxiety that just is.
ShellyWe're not designed for that.
KathyNo, we're not.
ShellyIt's not fun.
KathyNo, it's not fun at all.
KathyAnd I think that children have more anxiety today than they ever had.
ShellyYeah, there's so much demand on children today.
ShellyAnd their brains, they know how to work phones better than most of their parents.
ShellyAnd they've got school.
ShellyAnd it seems like kids are so scheduled.
ShellyWe came home from school and we did our homework, and then we went outside until the street lights came off and we just played.
KathyYeah, you just played.
ShellyLike, okay, maybe once a week you took piano, but sure.
ShellyIt's not like.
ShellyAnd the mom's just running around everywhere trying to get kids back and forth.
ShellyAnd kids learn that chaos.
KathyOh, yeah.
KathyWell, when you think about it, it's super stressful for the mom, who is usually the one who's transporting all the kids.
KathyAnd most mothers are working outside the house, so they're putting in 40 hours a week minimum.
KathyAnd then they're having to fit in all of these extracurricular activities.
KathyBy the time the weekend comes, there are more activities.
KathyThey never have time to take a step back and relax.
ShellyYeah, they don't.
ShellyAnd they feel guilty.
LauraI was going to say, unless you're in the bathtub, but half the time you get interrupted in the bath anyway.
ShellyMom.
ShellyMom.
ShellyYeah, yeah.
ShellyAnd, you know, I work with women all the time, you know, and I mean, This, I hope this comes out the way I mean it to come out.
ShellyBut that is that not everybody even wanted to be a mom.
ShellyBut we were talked into this is what our purpose is.
ShellyAnd there's just so much.
ShellyI know it comes with a whole other thing.
ShellyIt's a beautiful thing, but the making the meals and the market and everything just non stop.
ShellyAnd women come to my office in their 50s and they're taking this breath like, okay, now I get to do me, but I don't even know who me is.
ShellyThey don't even know that they don't know who me is.
ShellyAnd so we have a conversation.
ShellyWhat do you love to do?
ShellyI love to read, but I never do anymore.
ShellyWhy don't you read this afternoon?
ShellyI'll feel guilty.
ShellyI should go to the market.
ShellyI should do this, I should do that.
ShellyAnd it's so important to model for your children that they need to take time for them.
ShellyThey get to do what they want too.
ShellyAnd you model that by doing it yourself and not feeling guilty.
ShellyGuilt is so stupid.
KathyOh, but society's good at guilting.
KathyJust go up on social media, look at Facebook, Instagram, any of it.
KathyThe interactions is guilt, guilt, guilt.
KathyOr if you're looking at somebody in their beautiful life, then you feel like, gee, I'm not doing enough.
ShellyYeah, guilt and shame are just joy stealers and they don't really change anything except for your personal vibration.
KathyThat's very true.
KathyNow you founded the Missing Piece center for Anxiety.
KathyWhat exactly do you cover there?
ShellySo in a nutshell, I think I'm a good therapist.
ShellyI think all my therapists here are good.
ShellyBut if your dog is stressed out, you're not going to say what triggered you.
ShellyFluffy, you're going to contact.
ShellyRight?
KathyI didn't get my bone dag on it.
ShellyRight.
ShellyWe don't know how to keep keep ourselves calm and how to recreate ourselves recreation.
ShellySo in the center we have music therapy, where you just.
ShellyIt's not about being a musician.
ShellyIt's just about pounding a drum or strumming on something as a way to just get out the day.
ShellyAromatherapy, nutrition, massage.
ShellyNeurofeedback is known by some, but not by others.
ShellyBut neurofeedback is used by NASA to help their astronauts be calm in space.
ShellyIt's used by a lot of our armed forces in the face of trauma.
ShellySo we do neurofeedback here regularly.
ShellyWe do art therapy or play therapy.
ShellyWe do movement, we do breath work.
ShellySo it's all about learning how to play and how to make yourself feel good.
ShellyAnd then when you're calm and you know how to make yourself feel good, we can talk about the problems and actually be in a headspace for solution instead of panic and unclear thinking.
KathySo you're essentially priming people to get better and what to calm the nervous system.
KathyAnd now this restores the brain, Is it all of these things together basically create some sort of an equilibrium.
ShellyYeah.
ShellyAnd most of my patients, to be clear, most of my patients come nine to 25 hours a week.
ShellyIt's called intensive outpatient or partial hospitalization because they are so overwhelmed with life or teens that were forced back into school after Covid with the social skills they left with three years ago.
ShellySo now they have all this social anxiety.
ShellyThey're supposed to be ready to be 17, but they're really 14 or 15.
ShellySo we take most insurances, most PPOs, but I make sure that everybody gets everything because it's a unique recipe that in my experience, it just works.
ShellyYou know, Kathy, I tried drugs and alcohol and pills and all that stuff.
ShellyAll it did was help me be in the moment, you know, like, I love you, man.
ShellyThis is great.
ShellyBut it didn't teach me how to become friends with my brain.
ShellyAnd so that's why I wrote the book.
ShellyPeople are like, you need to franchise.
ShellyOpen up a place here.
ShellyOpen up a place here.
ShellyAnd I'm like, I really love my backyard.
ShellyI really like doing my stuff, too.
ShellySo that's why the book is very specific.
ShellyYou're going to reduce your anxiety, you're going to rewire your brain, and you are going to recreate your life.
ShellyThat's.
ShellyWell, we should all love our lives.
ShellyThat's the only thing that can make this world a fabulous place, is if we.
ShellyI mean, it already is fabulous.
ShellyBut if everybody were living the life that made their vibration so high and so happy, this would be so much easier.
ShellyAnd so if you do it for yourself, you're changing a piece in your family that will then hopefully echo like a ripple effect.
ShellyStay tuned for more of women road warriors coming up.
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ShellyWelcome back to Women Road warriors with Shelly Johnson and Kathy Tucaro.
KathyBoth children and adults are anxious today.
KathyIt seems to be a constant in our lives.
KathyWe don't always want to respond to our anxiety, but it seems it's always there.
KathyWe want to set up our lives so anxiety only happens when it's supposed to, like in times of danger.
KathyLaura Rhodes Levin explains how to find peace today with her book the Missing Piece Rewire your brain, reduce anxiety and recreate your life.
KathyShe helps people calm their nervous systems and restore their brains to overcome the self inflicted chaos we all live in that impacts both children and adults as we run from place to place and are always under a deadline with no time to recharge.
KathyToo often it's not until we're in our 50s when we realize we can finally do me.
KathyBut by that time we don't even know who me is.
KathyAccording to Laura, we've been so caught up in all the things we think we should be doing that we don't have any idea of how to do what we really want to do or take time for ourselves.
KathyThis sets a bad example for our children.
KathyIt's important to model for kids so they can learn that they need to take time for them.
KathyIt also stops the anxiety cycle.
KathyAs adults, we need to learn how to play again, create a calm and make ourselves feel good.
KathyThis behavior sets a good example for our children too.
KathyLaura when you have children, they're going to do what they see.
KathyAnd if they see a lot of and feel a lot of anxiety and frenzy, that's the way they're going to develop.
KathyAnd I can't even imagine with all of the overstimulation that children have today, can you imagine in 20, 30 years how frenzied our society's going to be?
KathyI mean, it's just going to escalate, isn't it?
ShellyYeah.
ShellyAnd you know, nature is pretty darn smart.
ShellySo I'm seeing a bunch of younger, like real younger people who are anti grid in some ways.
ShellyThey're, you know, the pendulum will swing.
ShellyIt always does.
KathyI've heard that, that there's some 20 somethings they want to buy.
KathyWhat they call dumb phones.
KathyDumb phones.
KathyYou just make phone calls and text.
KathyThat's it, I guess.
ShellyDo they come with the long cord so you can walk around like, oh.
KathyWouldn'T that be nice?
KathySo you can wreck your mother's wallpaper when you're trying to stretch it into the other room?
ShellyYeah, right.
ShellyYeah, his wallpaper's back now.
KathyYeah, yeah.
KathySo they're being actually very in tune with what's natural when you think about it.
ShellyYou know, that's what I find most people when you hear them say, oh my God, they're looking at a sunset, they're looking at a mountain peak with snow on it, or two birds doing some dance in the sky, where nature is a part of us and it is so connected to our spirituality and our.
ShellyOur centeredness and synergy.
KathyWell, I think it engages us when you think about it.
KathyYou know, I've gone out to look at the falling stars.
KathyYou know, certain times of the year you can see them.
KathyAnd of course that requires patience because they're not going to just come skating across the sky.
KathyYou have to wait.
KathySo that teaches what, a little bit of patience and a calm.
ShellyYeah.
ShellyAnd just laying outside at night looking at the stars and listen, I love air conditioning.
ShellyI love my comfy bed.
ShellyI'm not, you know, I am a creature of comfort, but that's physical comfort.
ShellyI'm talking about spiritual comfort and mental comfort.
KathySo your book, the Missing Peace, which is spelled P E A C E, which is so appropriate because I do think we're missing the peace.
KathyThere doesn't seem to be peace in society and we don't have the inner peace that we should have.
KathyI love the fact that your book teaches that happiness is within people's grasp.
KathyAnd your book will teach people how to touch it, feel it, and nurture their natural desires.
KathyNot what society says we should want.
ShellyYeah.
ShellyAnd reprogramming the messaging that we don't deserve it.
ShellyA lot of people, if you ask them, are you deserving of happiness?
ShellyThey will most often respond, yes, but not inside.
ShellyThey talk very negatively to themselves.
ShellyThey're very, very hard on themselves and they feel good about that.
ShellyAnd that's not the secret, in my opinion.
LauraI find that.
LauraI know when I went to recovery in.
LauraI started in 2009, I had to go three times over a period of two years just because I had so many layers to divulge and, you know, get rid of.
ShellySure.
LauraThe.
LauraThe biggest part about that, I did an EMDR session.
LauraAnd for those that don't know what that is, it's eye movement desensitization.
ShellyOh, crap.
LauraI forget what the R is anyway.
ShellyAnd I don't know the name of it.
ShellyYeah.
LauraAnyway, so what it did, it literally almost helped me flip a switch in my thinking and viewing myself from unworthy to worthy.
LauraAnd it took a lot of time.
LauraAnd because, I mean, change doesn't happen overnight, but learning to start thinking in a positive way about myself and accepting the mistakes that I make, and it's okay.
LauraAnd as I progress in my recovery, learning to love myself regardless of my mistakes in the past, and anytime that a negative thought would pop in my head, I would literally have to catch.
ShellyIt, give it the boot like a.
LauraGood kick out of my head, and replace it with something positive.
LauraAnd that simple.
LauraSeemingly simple, because it's not an easy.
LauraIt's easier said than done.
LauraIt took a lot of practice.
LauraBut, man, did that pay off.
LauraBecause now it doesn't matter.
LauraGood day, bad day, what other people may say or not.
LauraIt doesn't affect how I feel about myself.
LauraAnd when I'm having a low day or you're tired or whatever, I just take a minute and breathe and flip that switch in my head and allow myself room for failure and room for error, but still in a loving way.
ShellyYeah.
ShellyWhat you're doing is.
ShellyI love it so much.
ShellyAnd what you're doing is, is you're rewiring your brain.
ShellyYou're training your brain to go in a different direction in your response.
ShellyInstead of being hard on yourself.
ShellyYou go, I'm.
ShellyI'm gonna learn.
ShellyAnd maybe this isn't even a mistake.
ShellyMaybe I had to go down this road to get to the road that I'm on now.
LauraExactly.
ShellyAnd that really is rewiring your brain.
ShellyYou've done that.
KathyThey've actually proved that, haven't they?
KathyWith MRIs and various devices that they can monitor brain waves and what's going on in the brain that the brain really does re establish and what.
KathyCreate new synapses and so forth?
ShellyOh, yeah, absolutely.
ShellyNew behavior.
ShellyI mean, everybody has already done it.
ShellyIf you set your alarm for 6am every day and Saturday comes and you can sleep as long as you want, you're still waking up at 6.
ShellyYour brain is programmed, and that goes on many different levels.
KathySo we have to change the program inside of us.
ShellyYes.
ShellyBeautiful.
KathyNow I'm Seeing too about your book, that people need to understand how fear is underneath their anger.
KathySo the anxiety and the fear people have, is that usually linked to anger?
ShellyI think so.
ShellyAnd Kathy, I learned this, you know, doing my four step.
ShellyYou put down all your resentments and then you look at the fear that drove that behavior.
ShellyAnd then if you just look at it from a purely brain oriented thought, anxiety is a fight flight response.
ShellySo you're either going to run or fight.
ShellyAnd those are both fear induced actions.
ShellySo when you're going to fight, when you're angry, there's something you're afraid of and then when you figure out what it is you're afraid of, like if we just go back to someone cutting you off on the freeway, one of the rewirings I've done is first of all someone cuts you off so your body genuinely feels a threat to its life.
ShellySo it has to respond, it responds quickly.
ShellyAnd we usually get angry about that.
ShellyBut when you're able to go, okay, I'm angry because that was a response to fear.
ShellyAnd instead of thinking what an, I don't know what we're allowed to say on the show, but what, what a bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep.
ShellyAnd then you're angry and upset for like five, six miles because we were afraid.
ShellyBut now when I get cut off, I do, I, I respond.
ShellyAnd then I think, well, maybe his wife's in labor or maybe his friend's on the way to the hospital.
ShellyAnd then I'm glad they went past me.
ShellyThen I'm like, okay, yeah, good for you, congratulations dad.
ShellyAnd then I, then I feel good, that immediate and that's where you have that anxiety that you need and then you know how to put it down.
KathyI usually think, oh, there's another nimrod with a driver's license and.
ShellyNimrod, my.
LauraWord of the day, I'm going to use that on the radio tonight.
LauraNimrod.
ShellyYeah, but that doesn't feel good within our bodies.
ShellyAnd you know, there's enough stuff that's real that doesn't feel good in our bodies.
ShellyWe may as well like, you know, feed our bodies good stuff mentally, physically.
KathySo we shouldn't ruminate on things because people do that.
KathyAnd I think women are more guilty of it.
KathyThey let something bug them and they keep rehearsing and rehearsing and rehearsing something in their brain.
ShellyYeah, yeah.
ShellyAnd again, I try to encourage people, if you're going to ruminate, ruminate on the Solution, not on the problem.
ShellyGet into action about what you can do better, but also understanding that the rumination is habit.
ShellyYou're actually.
ShellyWhen you ruminate, you're actually releasing neurotransmitters and brain activity that is happy to be called upon over and over and over again.
ShellyIt gives us like a.
ShellyA rush in a way.
ShellyBut when you know, okay, I'm.
ShellyI'm just not going there.
ShellyAnd you go back to your senses, turn on some music you really like, read something, watch something on tv.
ShellyEngage in an activity that shuts that brain off, the ruminating will stop.
ShellyBut you can't just stop anything.
ShellyYou have to redirect your action.
ShellyThat's how the brains work.
ShellyIt's like shiny keys to a baby who's crying.
ShellyThat's the important part about the shiny keys.
KathyOkay.
KathyOkay.
KathyYeah.
KathyMy brain, of course, I've been told that nobody wants to go inside my head because it's a scary place to be.
KathyBut when I go to sleep at night, I've got all kinds of stuff rolling around in my head.
KathyI will quite often listen to the radio just to keep from my brain overwhelming me or something.
ShellyYeah, absolutely.
ShellyAnd I have a whole chapter in the book about it's okay to fall asleep to the television.
ShellyI don't know what the big deal in that is.
ShellyIt actually, when you watch tv, your brain shifts into an alpha wave, which is one step closer, closer to delta, which is your sleep wave.
ShellyAnd it literally is hypnotic.
ShellyYou actually get put into a trance when you're watching tv.
ShellyAnd if you're trying to fall asleep, if you watch something that interests you enough to pay attention but isn't making you think you'll fall asleep or read or.
ShellyRadio audible is a great way to.
KathyFall asleep too, but not necessarily have the smart device, if that's what you're using to listen to these things next to you, because there's what blue light they emit, which keep you up.
KathyRight?
ShellyWell, not television.
ShellyI don't.
ShellyYou know, I haven't done the actual experiments in my experience with life as a human being and the humans that I know.
ShellyTelevision can very easily put you to sleep.
KathyOh, yeah.
ShellyBut, you know, when you're listening to a book on tape, you're not listening, looking at your phone, you're just listening.
ShellyI love that you're listening to a radio because it engages your brain enough to not ruminate and your body's already tired and you, you do naturally fall asleep.
KathyWell, it keeps my mind off my mind, if that makes sense.
ShellyTotally you're coming to your senses.
ShellyRight.
ShellyYou're going to your ears.
ShellyYou're using your sense of sound to escape from the noise.
KathySo do you have some golden nuggets you can share with women on how they can reduce their anxiety, find their happiness?
KathyObviously, we want them to check out your book, but I wonder if there are a few golden nuggets you could kind of share that they can think about.
ShellySure.
ShellyYou know, being.
ShellyI don't know if your audience is familiar with the four Agreements.
ShellyI don't love reading the book, but I love the.
ShellyThe four tenements behind it, the agreements themselves.
ShellyAnd the first one is be impeccable with your word.
ShellyAnd that means don't call yourself things that aren't true.
ShellyDon't say you'll be happy to do something that you really don't want to do you.
ShellyThere are certain things we do have to do, but I find that a lot.
ShellyAs you said, women especially say yes to things because they don't want to be bad guys, and they don't know how to set boundaries, because if they set boundaries, they're bad.
ShellyThey're inconsiderate.
ShellyBut setting boundaries does not make you a bad guy.
ShellyIt makes you a healthy guy.
ShellySo only say yes when you want to say yes.
LauraI had to learn that in recovery.
LauraI had actually had to ask my counselor, and I kid you not, when I was at the age of 40, sitting there in recovery in 2009, and ask what the definition of boundaries was.
LauraAnd she literally, My counselor made me practice no.
LauraAnd I was dating my.
ShellyMy.
ShellyMy.
LauraMy husband, which I ended up marrying, but she made me practice making a date and then breaking it and practicing no and not giving a reason.
LauraAnd it was the best word I ever learned as I was learning to rebuild myself is setting those boundaries and feeling good about it and not, you know, oh, my God, I shouldn't have done that.
LauraAnd why.
LauraWhat's he gon.
LauraAll this craziness in our heads, and it's okay to say no and say no.
LauraI just can't.
ShellyRight.
LauraAnd not explain.
KathyYep.
KathyNo means no sentence.
ShellyRight.
ShellyNo is a complete sentence.
KathyAbsolutely.
ShellyThe other thing women don't do often enough is say yes to help.
KathyYeah.
ShellyYou know, I got this.
ShellyOh, it's okay.
ShellyAnd you reminded me, Kathy, of something I haven't thought about in a while.
ShellyBut when I first got sober, my sponsor made me practice saying yes.
ShellySo if someone asked if I wanted water, even if I didn't want water, I had to say yes.
ShellyLet people do things for you, it actually makes them feel good and they're entitled to be helpful just as much as you're entitled to get help.
ShellyAnd so the big visual I would give to the women who are listening is be a fountain, which means give, absolutely give.
ShellyBut in order to give, if you gave from a fountain that had absolutely nothing coming into that reservoir, you would just hear just this gurgle, this like desperate gurgle of an empty fountain.
ShellyTrying to give.
ShellyAnd receiving is what allows you to give.
ShellyAnd the, the other is true.
ShellyIf you only take and you don't give, then you've got a stagnant fountain with like, you know, the mosquitoes and the algae on the top.
ShellyAnd that's what happens when you're selfish.
ShellySelfish and self love are very different.
ShellySo finding that beautiful balance of saying, yes, please, I would love your help and yes, I would love to do that, no, I don't want to do that.
ShellySo that you're being very conscious of what you're giving your fountain to and making sure that you're taking time to fill it up.
KathyIt's self validating, isn't it?
ShellyOh, yeah, it is.
LauraLike I'm a big giver.
LauraI do a lot of charities and.
ShellyI do a lot for other people.
LauraAnd just recently I'm moving to, from LA to Minnesota and I have a lot of really solid friends over there.
LauraAnd my one friend is helping me so much and I'm not used to, because I'm like a machine, right.
LauraSuperwoman.
LauraI'm doing everything.
LauraAnd for her to be there and do all these things, set up my apartment and unpack my boxes while I'm at work, it was really hard, like you were saying, to just accept that help because I immediately said, oh no, no, I'll do it when I get there.
LauraAnd then I'm like, kathy, stop for a minute.
LauraShe's offering to help.
ShellyAccept the help.
LauraYou are not superwoman.
LauraAnd if she's doing it out of love, well then just let her because she wants to be a part of helping you like you help other people.
LauraAnd so I had to do that.
LauraAnd it's been actually really nice.
ShellyRight, right, absolutely.
ShellyIt's so, and we're, you know, the superwoman thing is just so absurd.
KathyIt really is.
KathyYeah, it is.
KathyWe aren't born with capes.
ShellyBut I do look good in the cape, Shelly, I gotta say.
KathyOh, I bet you do.
KathyYou know, and when I, when I was a little girl, I was convinced that I could probably fly because I'd seen you Know stuff on tv.
KathyAnd I remember standing on this cement wall that was on our patio, which had quite a drop.
KathyMy mother had to grab me because I was going to jump off.
KathyI had my arms out.
ShellyOh, yeah.
KathyI was convinced.
KathySo.
ShellyWell, and if you think about it, who really wants to be a superhero?
ShellyYou know, always battling criminals and bullets are flying and you're going there.
ShellyIt's a terrible job.
ShellyIt's just awful.
KathySure.
KathySo some of these steps will help people find their inner peace, their happiness.
KathyYou've got some terrific insights here that I think a lot of people can really, really grasp just by getting your book, the Missing Piece, Rewire your brain, reduce anxiety, and recreate your life.
KathyWhere do people find that book, Laura?
ShellySo you can find it on Amazon, but here's the thing.
ShellyEven though it's spelled the Missing Piece, P E, A, C, E, for some reason, Amazon loves to correct that and put in the Missing Piece by Shel Silverstein and give you a children's poetry book.
ShellySo if you want to buy it on Amazon, you have to look up my name, Laura Rhodes Levin, and then the book will come up.
KathyOkay.
KathyAll right.
ShellyYou can also call your local bookstore, and if they don't have it, ask them to order it, and they'll.
ShellyThey'll tell you when it comes in.
KathyWonderful.
KathyAnd you also have a Missing Piece center for Anxiety.
KathyCan people work with you remotely?
ShellyYou know, no one legally, because you can't perform across states.
ShellyBut more than that in person is just.
ShellyIt's just so different.
ShellyIf all you have access to is telehealth, by all means do it.
ShellyBut for the work we do here, this is very important person stuff.
KathySure.
ShellyWe have a lot of people who come from out of state, and they stay someplace local at an extended stay, and in a few months, they.
ShellyThey go back different people, and that you deserve it.
KathyYeah.
KathyAnd a lot of insurances will cover that sort of thing.
KathySo where exactly is your center located?
ShellyI'm in Agoura Hills, California, which is really just outside of Los Angeles or the San Fernando Valley.
KathyOkay.
KathyAnd what is the name of your center again?
ShellyThe Missing Piece center for Anxiety.
KathyOkay.
KathySo people can look that up and they can reach out to you.
KathyAnd if they can't and they're not able to actually go to your facility, your book is a wonderful resource.
ShellyI really am so excited about people being able to get it.
ShellyAnd I knew that women my age, I'm 57, would resonate with it, but I've been getting feedback that someone gave it to their 19 year old as a present, and they.
ShellySo I feel like it has a wider audience even than what I had expected it to.
ShellySo if you're listening and you get my book, I really hope it helps and that it gives you more than even what you bought the book for.
KathyYou're really hitting with the heartbeat of humanity and what we're dealing with today.
KathyI mean, this is super timely, Laura.
KathyAnd you know exactly what humans need and maybe how to help us, because technology, AI, all of that, that's not human.
KathySo we got all of that going on too.
KathyIt's like, just think about it.
KathyIn 10 years, we may have to ask, when you're on the phone, are you human?
KathyBecause AI may not be actually a person talking to you.
ShellyRight.
ShellyI know that a lot.
ShellyI'm so sick of pointing out motorcycles and bridges.
KathyYeah, right.
KathyVery true.
KathyThe navigation don't get so close to that bridge.
KathyIt's like I have to go under it, you know?
ShellyRight.
ShellyNo, you know, when it says, are you a robot?
ShellyPick out, you know, where do you see bridges in this picture?
ShellyOr where do you see.
ShellyAnd you have to click on the squares.
ShellyOh, yeah.
ShellyLike, is there a motorcycle here?
KathyOh, sure.
KathyYep.
KathyWe want to make sure you're a real person.
KathyYeah, absolutely.
KathyLaura, this has been terrific.
KathyI really appreciate you being on the show.
ShellyOh, thank you.
ShellyI'm so glad.
ShellyI'm so grateful that you both have me on and that, Kathy, you were here for it.
LauraYes, me too.
KathyThank you, Laura.
ShellyThank you for the work you do as women, helping women be those warriors but without really entering into combat.
KathyAbsolutely.
KathyWomen can be empowered without ever using a weapon.
ShellyThank you, Shelley and Kathy.
KathyThank you, Laura.
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